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2011 Newsgroup Postings (02/26 - 03/13)

IBM and the Computer Revolution
If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
Is email dead? What do you think?
If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
Is email dead? What do you think?
Is email dead? What do you think?
If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
IBM Watson's Ancestors: A Look at Supercomputers of the Past
Security flaws in software development
Hawaii board OKs plan for giant telescope
The first personal computer (PC)
If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
I actually miss working at IBM
I actually miss working at IBM
Sabre; The First Online Reservation System
I actually miss working at IBM
I actually miss working at IBM
The first personal computer (PC)
The first personal computer (PC)
The first personal computer (PC)
The first personal computer (PC)
The first personal computer (PC)
The first personal computer (PC)
The first personal computer (PC)
IBM Watson's Ancestors: A Look at Supercomputers of the Past
The first personal computer (PC)
The first personal computer (PC)
The first personal computer (PC)
The first personal computer (PC)
IBM Watson's Ancestors: A Look at Supercomputers of the Past
The first personal computer (PC)
The first personal computer (PC)
IBM and the Computer Revolution
Andrew developments in Rochester
The first personal computer (PC)
IBM and the Computer Revolution
The first personal computer (PC)
The first personal computer (PC)
The first personal computer (PC)
The first personal computer (PC)
IBM Watson's Ancestors: A Look at Supercomputers of the Past
Is email dead? What do you think?
Mainframe Hall of Frame. List of influential mainframers thoughout history
Sabre; The First Online Reservation System
Andrew developments in Rochester
The first personal computer (PC)
The first personal computer (PC)
The first personal computer (PC)
The first personal computer (PC)
If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
Itanium at ISSCC
The first personal computer (PC)
Maybe off topic
3270 Terminal
Maybe off topic
Maybe off topic
Early RDBMS database
Rise of the Internet
IBM and the Computer Revolution
The first personal computer (PC)
Maybe off topic
End of an era
End of an era
The first personal computer (PC)
The first personal computer (PC)
IBM100 - Rise of the Internet
IBM100 - Rise of the Internet
The first personal computer (PC)
The first personal computer (PC)
The first personal computer (PC)
The first personal computer (PC)
Multiple Virtual Memory
Multiple Virtual Memory
Multiple Virtual Memory
Multiple Virtual Memory
The first personal computer (PC)
The first personal computer (PC)
End of an era
I actually miss working at IBM
Mainframe technology in 2011 and beyond; who is going to run these Mainframes?
The first personal computer (PC)
Multiple Virtual Memory
Multiple Virtual Memory
End of an era

IBM and the Computer Revolution

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: IBM and the Computer Revolution
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 14:03:01 -0500
Morten Reistad <first@last.name> writes:
It does, of course, require that companies do take data quality sufficiently seriously to track reported moves etc.

we did some work with a large public utility 15 yrs ago ... they claimed to have over 6000 RDBMS where possibly 90% of the information was common.

part of the issue was that early in RDBMS ... there were some implementation shortcuts ... which resulted in RDBMS efficiency for things like ATM transactions ... but depended on fairly static/structured schema. The result was that it was fairly people intensive to do a schema ... and increased as the different types of data increased. As a result ... RDBMS tended to be relatively mission specific ... and past a certain number of different items ... it was easier to clone an RDBMS and only have the items needed for specific set of tasks ... leading to large proliferation of different mission-specific RDBMS in large organization. These frequently could have large amount of common data ... like customer name & address in possibly hundreds of different databases.

misc. past posts mentioning original relational/sql System/R
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#systemr

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If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 10:37:09 -0500
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#67 IBM Future System
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#83 IBM Future System
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#84 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#86 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#87 A History of VM Performance
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#90 A History of VM Performance

from ibm jargon:
IBMJARG - n. A document which lists numerous jargon terms used within IBM. (This document.) recursive

... and:
fast track - n. A career path for selected men and women who appear to conform to the management ideal. The career path is designed to enhance their abilities and loyalty, traditionally by rapid promotion and by protecting them from the more disastrous errors that they might commit.

... snip ...

it doesn't mention the disastrous results that it had on organizations that were unfortunate enough to have an executive position being used for fast track (having rapid transition by large number of different individuals that didn't understand that organizations business). Arbitrary interchangable executives complimented the "Mongolian Hordes Technique" paradigm:
Mongolian Hordes Technique - n. A software development method whereby large numbers of inexperienced programmers are thrown at a mammoth software project (instead of deploying a small team of skilled programmers). First recorded in 1965, but popular as ever in the 1990s.

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Is email dead? What do you think?

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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler)
Date: 27 Feb, 2011
Subject: Is email dead? What do you think?
Blog: Greater IBM
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#1 Is email dead? What do you think?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#4 Is email dead? What do you think?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#5 Is email dead? What do you think?
and
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#email870306

for the fun of it ... related to the upthread reference to converting the internal network to sna/vtam ... from ibm jargon:
notwork - n. VNET (q.v.), when failing to deliver. Heavily used in 1988, when VNET was converted from the old but trusty RSCS software to the new strategic solution. To be fair, this did result in a sleeker, faster VNET in the end, but at a considerable cost in material and in human terms. nyetwork, slugnet

slugnet - n. VNET (q.v.) on a slow day. Some say on a fast day, and especially in 1988. notwork, nyetwork


... snip ...

up thread references supporting full-duplex T1 and higher speed links. old email about some thruput issues with sna/vtam
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#email850719
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#email890731
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#email890801

misc. posts about the internal network
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#internalnet
misc. posts about my hsdt effort
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#hsdt

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If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 14:40:01 -0500
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
fast track - n. A career path for selected men and women who appear to conform to the management ideal. The career path is designed to enhance their abilities and loyalty, traditionally by rapid promotion and by protecting them from the more disastrous errors that they might commit.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#1 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company

fast track especially became epidemic in the later half of the 80s. It somewhat complimented the CEO's projection that the revenue was going to double from its $60B ... and there was massive building program going on to double manufacturing capacity (and I guess fast track was attempting to double executives).

I've mentioned before that it was relatively trivial in the mid-80s to show that the trend was towards commodity hardware (and opposite of what was being predicted by the CEO, not a very career enhancing activity). We left during the red-ink period a few years later ... and I've mentioned that in the executive exit interview, there was the comment that they could have forgiven me for being wrong, but were never going to forgive me for being right.

The fast track also has overtones of Boyd's career advice about choosing To Be or To Do. Recent refs to To Be or To Do:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#80 Chinese and Indian Entrepreneurs Are Eating America's Lunch
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#37 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company

past refs to "career enhancing" &/or never forgive for being right:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002k.html#61 arrogance metrics (Benoits) was: general networking
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002q.html#16 cost of crossing kernel/user boundary
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003i.html#71 Offshore IT
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004k.html#14 I am an ageing techy, expert on everything. Let me explain the
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007.html#26 MS to world: Stop sending money, we have enough - was Re: Most ... can't run Vista
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007e.html#48 time spent/day on a computer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007f.html#30 The Perfect Computer - 36 bits?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#3 IBM Unionization
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#6 The history of Structure capabilities
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008c.html#34 was: 1975 movie "Three Days of the Condor" tech stuff
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008l.html#23 Memories of ACC, IBM Channels and Mainframe Internet Devices
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#30 Taxes
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#54 THE runs in DOS box?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#27 Microminiaturized Modules
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#56 Old-school programming techniques you probably don't miss
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#74 My Vintage Dream PC
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009k.html#73 And, 40 years of IBM midrange
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#34 big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009r.html#6 Have you ever though about taking a sabbatical?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009r.html#49 "Portable" data centers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009r.html#50 "Portable" data centers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009s.html#4 While watching Biography about Bill Gates on CNBC last Night
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#38 Happy DEC-10 Day
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#76 using an FPGA to emulate a vintage computer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#60 LPARs: More or Less?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#20 Would you fight?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#58 Handling multicore CPUs; what the competition is thinking
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#18 How many mainframes are there?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010i.html#40 Global CIO: Global Banks Form Consortium To Counter HP, IBM, & Oracle
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#10 Titles for the Class of 1978
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#39 Age
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#47 origin of 'fields'?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#34 TCM's Moguls documentary series
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#20 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company

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Is email dead? What do you think?

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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler)
Date: 27 Feb, 2011
Subject: Is email dead? What do you think?
Blog: Greater IBM
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#2 Is email dead? What do you think?

But by that time ... it would have been much more productive and efficient to use all that additional networking hardware as part of conversion to tcp/ip.

Mainframe tcp/ip product had been implemented in pascal/vs and had a few "gotchas" ... however I had done the support for RFC1044 and in some tuning tests at Cray Research, I could get full channel thruput between 4341 and a Cray, using only a modest amount of the 4341 processor (possibly 500 times improvement/reducation in instructions executed per byte moved). Misc. past posts mentioning having done the rfc 1044 support for mainframe tcp/ip product
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#1044

misc. past posts mentioning the internal network
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#internalnet

TCP/IP is the technology basis for the modern internet, the NSFNET backbone was the operational basis for the modern internet, and CIX was the business basis for the modern internet. Misc. old email about NSFNET backbone activity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#nsfnet

Old email reference to somebody having collected various email that was pushing a enormous amount of misinformation regarding SNA/VTAM suitability for the NSFNET backbone:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#email870109

misc. past posts mentioning NSFNET backbone
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#nsfnet

for slightly additional NSFNET backbone topic drift ... I had done a lot of work on large clusters of 370 and/or 801 processors ... mentioned in this old post
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004m.html#17

as well as doing a lot of work in the area of high-speed data transport ... and working with the various entities that were the likely candidates for the NSFNET backbone. This is old email about being scheduled to give a presentation to the director of NSF on NSFNET backbone ... but getting pre-empted for meeting on "processor clusters" and having to find a substitute to give the backbone presentation to director of NSF:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007d.html#email850315
in this old post
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007d.html#47

more recent post discussing various aspects of high-speed data transport and NSFNET backbone
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#6

old email listing some of the organizations being invited to NSFNET/HSDT backbone meeting
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005d.html#email860501

... NSF, Cornell, MIT, Stanford, Berkeley, Michigan, Minnesota, Illinois, UofTexas, Columbia, Delaware, Maryland, TUCC, Princeton, Penn State, Wisconsin, UCLA, NCAR, FERMI, and VLA.

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Is email dead? What do you think?

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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler)
Date: 27 Feb, 2011
Subject: Is email dead? What do you think?
Blog: Greater IBM
from ibm jargon:
Tandem Memos - n. Something constructive but hard to control; a fresh of breath air (sic). That's another Tandem Memos. A phrase to worry middle management. It refers to the computer-based conference (widely distributed in 1981) in which many technical personnel expressed dissatisfaction with the tools available to them at that time, and also constructively criticised the way products were are developed. The memos are required reading for anyone with a serious interest in quality products.

... snip ...

as mentioned upthread, I had been blamed for computer conferencing on the internal network in the late 70s & early 80s, including Tandem Memos. The folklore was that when the executive committee was informed of computer conferencing (and the internal network), 5of6 wanted to fire me.

Tandem Memos was somewhat kicked off after a visit to Jim Gray at Tandem. Jim had departed Research not long before ... palming off a bunch of stuff on me ... including working with customers like BofA on relational database (consulting with IMS group, etc). misc. past posts mentioning original relational/sql implementation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#systemr

There was also Jim's MIP Envy as he was departing:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007d.html#email800920
in this post
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007d.html#17

post (in First Data group) mentioning celebration for Jim held at Berkeley
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008p.html#27 Father Of Financial Dataprocessing

In the wake of Tandem Memos the corporation instituted officially sanctioned (and controlled) computer conferencing. from ibm jargon:
BYTE8406 - bite-eighty-four-oh-sixv. To start a discussion about old IBM machines. forum

BYTE8406 syndrome - n. The tendency for any social discussion among computer people to drift towards exaggeration. Well, when I started using computers they didn't even use electricity yet, much less transistors. forum n. The tendency for oppression to waste resources. Derives from the observation that erasing a banned public file does not destroy the information, but merely creates an uncountable number of private copies. It was first diagnosed in September 1984, when the BYTE8406 forum was removed from the IBMPC Conference.


... snip ...

past posts in this thread:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#39 Is email dead? What do you think?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#45 Is email dead? What do you think?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#46 Is email dead? What do you think?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#48 Is email dead? What do you think?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#49 Is email dead? What do you think?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#51 Is email dead? What do you think?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#54 Is email dead? What do you think?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#57 Is email dead? What do you think?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#62 Is email dead? What do you think?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#1 Is email dead? What do you think?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#4 Is email dead? What do you think?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#5 Is email dead? What do you think?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#2 Is email dead? What do you think?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#4 Is email dead? What do you think?

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If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 22:58:59 -0500
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
The fast track also has overtones of Boyd's career advice about choosing To Be or To Do. Recent refs to To Be or To Do
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#80 Chinese and Indian Entrepreneurs Are Eating America's Lunch
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#37 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#3 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company

for the fun of it, from ibm jargon:
virtual Friday - n. The Wednesday or Thursday before a long weekend in the USA for which the Thursday or Friday (respectively) is a holiday. Usage: Don't hold that meeting tomorrow afternoon - it's a virtual Friday.

... snip ...

and there is Aloha Friday ... which can also apply to leaving early on (real or virtual) Friday.

I would sponsor (real & virtual) Friday's after work at some watering hole near san jose plant site. When new deli moved in across the main plant site ... for period the back room had my name on it and we got pitchers of Anchor Steam at half price.

a couple old "virtual Friday" emails

Date: 07/03/80 08:22:49
From: wheeler

to: distribution; ok, today is declared virtual friday at the Courtyard


... snip ... top of post, old email index

Date: 03/31/83 12:43:56
From: wheeler

re: friday; cc: friday; since tomorrow is a day off ... today is virtual friday. Meet at the new deli across from the plant-site. ... this is a real bummer, plant-site substation is being turned off for the three days and also Los Gatos lab. is getting it's power turned off also. Anybody have a machine that will be up and running???? I've discovered PCTERM running on an IBM/PC ... but it requires an extra virtual machine(a "service" virtual machine which runs PCTERM and interfaces to PVM).


... snip ... top of post, old email index

... and (real) Friday (at the deli) after Boyd's talk earlier in the week in the research auditorium

Date: 05/13/83 12:00:55
From: wheeler

re: friday; cc: friday;

Nice that the sun shines around here ... even if it does seem infrequent. For those that attended the Boyd pitch on Monday, I have the foil copies. We'll have hard copy to work discussions from. Even we can figure out what he was talking about, we might be able to get things straight so if we heard it again ... the subject would be understandable.


... snip ... top of post, old email index

past posts mentioning Boyd
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subboyd.html

Date: 05/13/83 13:19:07
From: wheeler

It wasn't a rule that speakers have to speak in YKT before SJR ... it was that somebody in YKT was telling xxxxxx that we couldn't have Boyd speak in SJR until after he spoke in YKT. Sounded like a prestige power play. We did an end run and had him to speak in SJR. xxxxxx has the guy's name.


... snip ... top of post, old email index

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IBM Watson's Ancestors: A Look at Supercomputers of the Past

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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler)
Date: 28 Feb, 2011
Subject: IBM Watson's Ancestors: A Look at Supercomputers of the Past
Blog: IBM Alumni
IBM Watson's Ancestors: A Look at Supercomputers of the Past
http://www.pcworld.com/article/219577/ibm_watsons_ancestors_a_look_at_supercomputers_of_the_past.html

following mentions powerparallel SP2 with up to 128 nodes announced April 1994.
http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/reference/faq_0000000011.html

earlier version was SP1 ... part of old press item here, SP1 to be deliver by YE92
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#6000clusters2 11May92

early Jan92 meeting in Ellison's conference room discussing 128 processor cluster by YE92
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/95.html#13

and SP1 press item barely month later
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#6000clusters1 2/17/92

old email mentioning cluster scaleup
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#medusa

the last one email from above was possibly just hrs before project was transferred and we were told we couldn't work on anything with more than four processors
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006x.html#email920129

as part of ha/cmp product effort
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hacmp

recent x-over mid-80s "processor cluster" reference in the (greater ibm) "Is email dead?" discussion
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#4

more detailed supercomputer list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercomputer

A senior corporate executive had been the sponsor of the Kingston supercomputing effort ... besides supposedly doing their own design, there was also heavy funding for Steve's SSI. That executive retires end of Oct91 which resulted in review of a number of efforts, including Kingston. After the Kingston review, there was an effort launched looking around the company for something to be used as supercomputer and found cluster scaleup
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Scalable_POWERparallel

above mentions SP1 introduced 2feb93 (instead of ye92). other old press snipets in these posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#70
and
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#83

Steve Chen (computer engineer)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Chen_(computer_engineer)

Sequent eventually acquires Chen's business and Steve Chen becomes CTO at Sequent, in the late 90s we did some consulting for Steve (at Sequent before it was bought by IBM)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequent_Computer_Systems

IBM buys Sequent ... but the effort suffers somewhat akin to what happened to Kingston ... the executive sponsoring the activity retires (see description in above wiki).

Project Monterey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Monterey

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Security flaws in software development

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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler)
Date: 28 Feb, 2011
Subject: Security flaws in software development.
Blog: Information Security Network
I had done some analysis of CVE reports (in part support for my merged security taxonomy & glossary) ... back when they were still being handled by Mitre (at the time, I had asked some of the Mitre people if the reports could follow a little more structured reporting; at the time they said they were lucky enough to get people to fill them out at all). Old word & word combination frequency analysis
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004e.html#43

since then CVE reports have moved to nist
http://nvd.nist.gov

recent post discussing buffer overflow in more detail:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#50

references old article from the 90s about buffer overflow is the most common security bug:
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1001-233483.html

going into this century it somewhat shifts to 1/3rd buffer overflow, 1/3rd social engineering, and 1/3rd automatic execution.

reference to NIST calculating that buffer overflow drops to 20% (over the previous 4 yrs)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005d.html#0

not so much that the number of buffer overflows has dropped, but that other exploits have increased (so buffer overflows are smaller percentage of larger pie).

I've repeatedly mentioned that buffer overflows are related to various C language programming characteristics. TCP/IP stack implemented in various other languages have had almost none of the buffer overflows that appear in C language implementations (aka it isn't impossible to have buffer overflows in other languages ... however it is almost as hard to have buffer overflows as it is to NOT have buffer overflows in C). misc. past posts mentioning buffer overflows
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#overflow

Semi-related ... old post about Mutlics (& buffer overflows): Thirty Years Later: Lessons from the Multics Security Evaluation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002l.html#42 and
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002l.html#44

disclaimer: I wasn't part of the Multics group ... that was on 5th flr of 545 tech sq. I was on the 4th flr ... virtual machines and other kinds of security related stuff ... although I didn't learn about these customers until much later:
http://web.archive.org/web/20090117083033/http://www.nsa.gov/research/selinux/list-archive/0409/8362.shtml

slightly related to above, 40+ yrs later

NSA Winds Down Secure Virtualization Platform Development; The National Security Agency's High Assurance Platform integrates security and virtualization technology into a framework that's been commercialized and adopted elsewhere in government.
http://www.informationweek.com/news/government/security/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=229219339

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Hawaii board OKs plan for giant telescope

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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler)
Date: 28 Feb, 2011
Subject: Hawaii board OKs plan for giant telescope
Blog: Greater IBM
Hawaii board OKs plan for giant telescope
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-02-hawaii-board-oks-giant-telescope.html

old email about getting dragged into it when it was still "Berkeley 10m"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004h.html#email830804
in this post
http://www.garli.com/~lynn/2004h.html#7
and more followup
http://www.garli.com/~lynn/2004h.html#8
http://www.garli.com/~lynn/2004h.html#9

eventually renamed "Keck" (on Mauna Kea)
http://www.keckobservatory.org/

Mauna Kea Observatories
http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/mko/ and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauna_Kea_Observatory

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The first personal computer (PC)

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english, alt.folklore.computers
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 14:20:21 -0500
Mike Barnes <mikebarnes@bluebottle.com> writes:
IIUYC you're pointing out that it's possible to have non-standard key assignments on your Windows PC. I'm guessing that that's just within one or more applications, rather than generally. Either way it's hardly surprising and I'm trying to work out whether I've missed something or you've gone off at a tangent. My point was not that Ctrl+V was set in immutable stone, but that it had more-or-less supplanted the alternative key combination for Paste, which is/was Shift+Ins[ert]. My keyboard doesn't even *have* an Insert key, though there is the Ins key on the number pad.

for other topic drift, from ibm jargon:
board games - n. Exercises played by the designers of any new keyboard (not just IBM's!) in order to retain an advantage over the end users. The schemes employed can be so perverse that they defy belief at times. n. Invisible decisions taken by members of some board or committee, usually with all-too-visible results.

... snip ...

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If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 17:34:51 -0500
"Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
The convention here in Canada is to make a long weekend by taking the following Monday off, rather than the preceding Friday. So (with the exception of Easter) we don't have virtual Fridays - but those virtual Mondays are a bitch.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#6 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company

a lot of the holidays in the US have also moved to mondays ... however since I was responsible for calling "fridays after work" ... when Friday wasn't a work day ... I would also call "virtual fridays".

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I actually miss working at IBM

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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler)
Date: 01 Mar, 2011
Subject: I actually miss working at IBM
Blog: Greater IBM
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#79 I actually miss working at IBM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#50 I actually miss working at IBM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#52 I actually miss working at IBM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#60 I actually miss working at IBM

from ibm jargon:
fast track - n. A career path for selected men and women who appear to conform to the management ideal. The career path is designed to enhance their abilities and loyalty, traditionally by rapid promotion and by protecting them from the more disastrous errors that they might commit.

... snip ...

it doesn't mention the disastrous results that it had on organizations that were unfortunate enough to have an executive position being used for fast track (having rapid transition by large number of different individuals that didn't understand that organizations business). Arbitrary interchangable executives complimented the "Mongolian Hordes Technique" paradigm:
Mongolian Hordes Technique - n. A software development method whereby large numbers of inexperienced programmers are thrown at a mammoth software project (instead of deploying a small team of skilled programmers). First recorded in 1965, but popular as ever in the 1990s.

... snip ...

fast track especially became epidemic in the later half of the 80s. It somewhat complimented the CEO's projection that the revenue was going to double from its $60B ... and there was massive building program going on to double manufacturing capacity (and I guess "fast track" was attempting to double executives?).

However, in the mid-80s, it was clear that hardware was becoming increasingly commoditized and the business was starting to move in the opposite direction (in a few years the company was to go into the red)

fast track also has overtones of Boyd's To Be or To Do ... old reference to it at dedication of Boyd Hall at Air Force Weapons School, 17sep1999
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000e.html#35

I had sponsored Boyd's briefings at IBM. Recent reference in this old email
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#email830513
and
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#email830513b

in this post about "virtual Friday" (from ibm jargon)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#6

Note that Boyd's To Be or To Do scenario is a little different from the "Peter Principle" ... they actually choose to be that way. Both Boyd's To Be or To Do and IBM's Fast Track have the sense that blemishes are kept off their record. I'm currently reading Bing West's recently published book "The Wrong War"
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/27/books/review/Filkins-t.html

and point is periodically made about various (To Be) officers being extremely "risk adverse" since blemishes on the record can block promotion.

... "Peter Principle" can imply that the incompetent getting promoted, may not be actively involved in the promotion decisions (almost passive with respect to the events);

Boyd's To Be or To Do has more of the sense that incompetent have been actively campaigning for the promotions. The corollary involves individuals that spend the majority of their time & effort actively involved in "career management" (their nominal responsibilities and business taking a backseat).

Fast Track seems to actively encourage the later (all of their energies devoted to managing their careers).

recently posted old folklore about the first major, commercial, "true blue" customer account to install a large "clone" mainframe processor in the 70s ... and trying to avoid the "blemish" from showing up on the branch managers record.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#19 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company

As mentioned in the folklore, it wasn't very career enhancing to refuse to take the bullet for the branch manager. Also later, in the mid-80s, it wasn't career enhancing to point out that the business wasn't going to double, and in fact hardware commoditizing was starting to drive the business in the opposite direction (leading to company going into the red).

from ibm jargon:
blue - n. The official IBM company colour, Oxford blue. There was once a blue letter on Blue on the HONE system, which said that ...the feature number 9063 (Blue for all System/370 CPUs and peripherals, called classic blue) will have a slightly changed hue which can lead to colour mismatch in customer machine rooms. Requests to repaint to the old hue are not accepted. all-blue, Big Blue

true blue - adj. Of a customer account: using only IBM equipment. all-blue


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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler)
Date: 01 Mar, 2011
Subject: I actually miss working at IBM
Blog: Greater IBM
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#12 I actually miss working at IBM

Clone controllers and devices have been written up as motivation for the Future System effort. During the FS period, they attempted to kill off most of the 370 activity (they apparently viewed as competitive), which has been blamed for allowing clone processors to gain a market foothold. During that period, I would somewhat ridicule them (drawing comparisons with a continuously playing cult film down at central sq) and continued to work on 370 stuff. With the demise of FS, there was mad rush to get stuff back into the 370 product pipelines ... which contributed to decision to release a bunch of 370 stuff I had been doing all during the FS period
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys
... including my "Resource Manager"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#fairshare
which in turn, got me sucked into attempt to obfuscate why a customer was installing a clone processor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#19 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company

Earlier as undergraduate in the 60s, one of the things I worked on was a clone controller ... reverse engineering the channel interface and building a channel interface board for a minicomputer programmed to emulate a mainframe controller. Four of us were written up as responsible for some part of the clone controller business.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#360pcm

Also as undergraduate ... I eliminated 2780 support from HASP (to reduce real memory footprint) and replaced it with 2741 & TTY/ascii terminal support along with "context editor" for a form of CRJE (which I thought it was much better than the later MVT TSO).

Somewhat the motivation for the univ. clone controller effort was that I was trying to do this automatic terminal identification ... and it worked being able to switch the line scanner for each port with the 2702 SAD command. Worked fine for directly connected lines ... but there was a problem trying to use a single dial-up number (& hunt group) for all terminals ... turns out the 2702 had taken shortcut and hardwired the line-speed for each port. One of the objectives for the clone controller was being able to do both dynamic terminal type and line-speed (for every port). The minicomputer vendor picked up the implementation and was selling it commercially. That vendor was bought and the implementation continued to be sold by the new owner. A decade or so ago, I was in large datacenter handling a major portion of the US dial-up point-of-sale (card-swipe) terminals ... and a descendent of our box was handling the incoming traffic (there was claim that it still used the original channel interface board design).

from ibm jargon
coathanger - n. A computer terminal given to a reluctant old-timer IBM manager who does not believe in data-processing. This is used as a convenient object over which to throw the animal fur coat in order to warm it for wearing home.

... snip ...

later they became management status symbols ... logon in the morning but never used .... with the PROFS menu screen being burned into the tube (secretary actually handling all the email). This also led to situations where projects ordered some number of PS2M80/300 (486 w/300mbyte disk) with 8514 "large screens" (760x1024) for development projects ... but when delivered they would all be hijacked for managers desks (never actually being used except for the burnin of the PROFs menu on the 8514, the bigger the PS2 supposedly a sign of the manager's status).

Earlier, 3270s were line items in the annual fall budget plan for developers. Then there was a moment when a few of the top executives started using email ... and the rapidly spreading news through the executive ranks diverted nearly the whole annual 3270 allocation to management desks (even if they never used them, it had to appear as if they were part of the new online culture).

This part of Jim's departing MIP ENVY ... 20sep80 version reproduced here
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007d.html#email800920

slightly later 24sep80 version here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20081115000000*/http://research.microsoft.com/~gray//papers/CritiqueOfIBM%27sCSResearch.doc

Jim setup to palm off a bunch of stuff on me when he left ... interface to customers on RDBMS, consulting with the IMS DBMS group, etc

In the Ferguson & Morris '93 book on IBM ... they mention that FS's collapse had significant downside for IBM ... perhaps the most damaging, the old culture under Watsons of free and vigorous debate was replaced with sycophancy and make no waves under Opel and Akers.

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Sabre; The First Online Reservation System

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Sabre; The First Online Reservation System
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:45:44 -0500
Sabre; The First Online Reservation System
http://www.ibm.com/ibm100/us/en/icons/sabre/

recent posts mentioning ACP performance on 3081D
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#17 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company

recent posts mentioning redoing part of a airline res system
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#42 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company

recent posts mentioning my wife doing short stint as chief architect on amadeus
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#17 Looking for a real Fortran-66 compatible PC compiler (CP/M or DOS or Windows, doesn't matter)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#41 Looking for a real Fortran-66 compatible PC compiler (CP/M or DOSor Windows

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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler)
Date: 01 Mar, 2011
Subject: I actually miss working at IBM
Blog: Greater IBM
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#12 I actually miss working at IBM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#13 I actually miss working at IBM

I got "portable" 2741 at home, Mar1970 ... which was quickly replaced with real 2741 ... which I had until 1977 ... when it was replaced with (ascii) CDI miniterm ... which was then replaced with an (IBM) (glass teletype) 3101 (code name topaz) ... and then personal ibm/pc. I don't have pictures of the 2741 ... but this has pictures of miniterm, 3101, & ibm/pc setup at home (along with my home tieline)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#oldpict

Besides the other networking stuff ... some posted recently in the "Is email dead" thread
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#2 Is email dead? What do you think?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#4 Is email dead? What do you think?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#5 Is email dead? What do you think?

... I tried to ship "real" networking product in the mid-80s ... initially based on Series/1 ... but being upgraded to RIOS (used in rs/6000). At the mainframe boundaries, it would emulate 3725NPC to VTAM host (telling VTAM that all resources were x-domain, but actually "owned" by the networking infrastructure). Part of a old presentation that I gave at SNA ARB meeting in Raleigh:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#67

That kicked off some internal politics that could only be described as "truth is stranger than fiction".

I've posted recently about FS (and S/38) in (linked) "IBM Historic Computing". Part of FS (& S/38) was one level store ... picking up lots of "paged memory" from tss/370 and similar technologies of the period (like multics which was 5th flr of 545tech sq ... flr above the science center). I had seen a lot of tss/360 at the univ. when I was undergraduate ... and some number of things that they had gotten wrong in handling paged environment (which wasn't corrected in either FS or s/38). I did my own implementation ... with lots of fixes for what I thot wasn't done correctly ... and although it never shipped to customers ... it was installed at large number of internal locations (including HONE systems). some of IBM Future System in "IBM Historic Computing"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#72 IBM Future System
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#1 IBM Future System
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#57 IBM Future System
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#60 IBM Future System
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#67 IBM Future System
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#83 IBM Future System

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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler)
Date: 02 Mar, 2011
Subject: I actually miss working at IBM
Blog: Greater IBM
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#12 I actually miss working at IBM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#13 I actually miss working at IBM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#15 I actually miss working at IBM

for more terminology ... do web search for "IBM JARGON"

There is folklore that there used to be a department in Armonk which was responsible for taking presentations and making them appropriate for presenting in the bldg. ... primarily taking "foil" (also "overhead") presentations and converting them to "flipchart" presentations.

In a couple weeks, I'm giving a presentation at a IBM user group meeting that was original presented as foils at a mid-80s IBM SEAS user group meeting.

One of the final "nails" in the FS coffin was study by the Houston Science Center that a FS machine built from the fastest available technology (at the time, i.e. 370/195), application would have the throughput of 370/145 (about a factor of 30 times penalty). The S/38 market didn't have that many issues with such throughput slowdown ... as well as numerous other scaleup issue/problems. The failure of FS has been frequently described as "too ambitious" ... which could be a polite way of saying that it couldn't scale ... it was possibly the polite description use for whole sections of FS that was "content free" ... definitions that were akin to the Emperor's new clothes parable.

Part of the FS countermeasure to clone controllers was to have extremely tightly integrated operation. Besides appearing in S/38 ... there have also been comments that the highly integrated VTAM/NCP reflected the FS philosophy. The "problem" was that highly integrated implied that all components had to be updated as part of a single, synchronized process (and if there was a glitch in synchronized upgrade, the whole infrastructure had to be reverted). For small number of components this wouldn't be viewed as a major problem. However, for a large operation with significant number of components (possibly spanning multiple datacenters), synchronized upgrades (a form of another kind of scaleup problem) became major issue. Recent post in (linkedin) IBM Historic Computing discussing past stories about various problems with highly integrated synchronized upgrades
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#60

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The first personal computer (PC)

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english, alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 11:54:11 -0500
Evan Kirshenbaum <evan.kirshenbaum@gmail.com> writes:
You could do anything you wanted to at LOTS. What prevented it was a GETOK jsys call. But if you LOADed the game, went into DDT, and jfcled out the jump after that call, the system would let you play.

Not that I ever did anything like that...


science center had access by some number of students from institutins of higher learning in the cambridge area (science center was on 4th flr of 545 tech sq, its 360/67 cp67 machine room was on 2nd flr ... for other trivia, multics was on 5th flr). misc. past posts mentioning 545 tech sq
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech

one day (early 70s), a student discovered something that would crash the system (which immmediately rebooted and back up and running) ... and then proceeded to do it a couple more times. the person was identified, contacted and told to stop doing it (problem was identified, a fix was being generated and in the process of being applied). The person did it a couple more times; they were contacted and told if they did it again, their access would be revoked. They did it again, and their access was revoked. They went to their advisor and complained that their access had been revoked and nobody should have the right to stop them from crashing the system.

for other drift ... story about a cp67 (system) crashing 27 times (a MIT 360/67 cp/67 located in another tech sq bldg, across from 545):
http://www.multicians.org/thvv/360-67.html

the system would immediately reboot and be back on the air ... this supposedly motivated multics redesign which was taking possibly hrs to recover from crash.

The crashes were because a system modification in the TTY terminal support code ... to support a some sort of ascii device ... i remember it a plotter device down at harvard ... increasing the maximum line length to 1200(?) chars. I had originally added the ascii/tty terminal support to cp67 as undergradudate in the 60s ... and played some games with one byte length calculations (256 since maximum line length was 80). Increasing the max. length to 1200 w/o fixing the one byte games ... was resulting in incorrect lengths, overlays and the system crashes.

The above (multics) website story has an added note about tss/360 & tss/370 ... with tss/370 being the true "FS" system architecture (aka paged mapped and single-level-store).

recent post in (linkedin) greater ibm group mentioning fs, s/38, tss/360, paged-mapped architectures, etc
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#15

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The first personal computer (PC)

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 13:03:40 -0500
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> writes:
Not all of them do. Japan is almost identical and Singapore is a third of what the US is. Australia and Switzerland are only marginally higher.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_as_percentage_of_GDP


past couple months ... there was report of percent of US fed tax revenue between individual & corporate in 50s and currently ... and percent of total tax revenue coming from corporations has dropped by something like 2/3rds (dramatically shifting tax collections from corporations to individuals).

this apparently goes along with reports that some large corporations are paying near zero in taxes because of various tax code provisions ... (tax code provisions accounting also for recent report that top wealthiest individuals effective avg. fed tax is 16%).

i've periodically mentioned that economists roundtable from a couple yrs ago explaining the benefits of going to fed flat rate tax. the scenario is that the current tax code is over 65,000 pages and the enormous complexity of dealing with the tax code costs the country in productivity. claim is that going to flat rate tax reduces the tax code to 400-500 pages and simplification would result in almost 6% of GDP in increased productivity (currently wasted/lost by all the direct & indirect resources going to dealing with special tax code provisions). The increase in productivity more than offsets the benefit loss of any specific special provision (every specific special provision may be viewed as providing some benefit ... but the toll of allowing special provisions is akin to a death by thousand cuts).

their other observation was because of the enormous amounts of money involved in special provisions ... contributes to the enormous amounts spent lobbying ... and US congress having a reputation as the most corrupt institution on earth. eliminating special provisions supposedly would go a long way towards eliminating a major fraction of the enormous corruption.

misc. past posts mentioning the flat rate tax
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008k.html#71 Cormpany sponsored insurance
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#49 Taxes
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#43 Architectural Diversity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#53 Are the "brightest minds in finance" finally onto something?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#83 Architectural Diversity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#20 China's yuan 'set to usurp US dollar' as world's reserve currency
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#13 64 Cores -- IBM is showing a prototype already
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#31 Opinions on the 'Unix Haters' Handbook
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#39 Opinions on the 'Unix Haters' Handbook
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#48 search engine history, was Happy DEC-10 Day
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#49 search engine history, was Happy DEC-10 Day
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#40 F.B.I. Faces New Setback in Computer Overhaul
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010j.html#88 taking down the machine - z9 series
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010k.html#36 taking down the machine - z9 series
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010k.html#37 taking down the machine - z9 series
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010k.html#58 History--automated payroll processing by other than a computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#69 Who is Really to Blame for the Financial Crisis?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010m.html#73 Idiotic programming style edicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#59 They always think we don't understand
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#14 Rare Apple I computer sells for $216,000 in London
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#74 TCM's Moguls documentary series
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#46 What do you think about fraud prevention in the governments?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 14:01:43 -0500
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> writes:
Thats overstating it given how corrupt some dictatorships can be.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#18 The first personal computer (PC)

not if based on the trillions involved ... very few dictatorships can match the magnitude that is played with by congress ... and the total bits & pieces that is taken along the way.

there was claim that FIRE lobby (financial, insurance, real estate) sees enormous ROI for every dollar spent on lobbying. There was claim that GLBA .. 1999 bank modernization act cost financial industry approx. $250m (nearly evenly divided between the two parties in congress). on floor of congress, the rhetoric was the major purpose of the bill was to prevent walmart & m'soft from becoming banks (walmart has been notorious for greatly improving efficiency for any business it gets into, banks would needed to have drastically cut their enormous margins to remain competitive with walmart; part of the study at the time was approx. 30% of the country is "unbanked" ... because current financial institution margins can't afford to provide them services). note however, GLBA also repealed Glass-Steagall which played significant role in the current financial mess. During the last decade, supposedly something like 20 times was spent (by FIRE, as was spent on GLBA).

Now the GLBA rhetoric on the floor of congress was something like "if you are already a bank, you get to remain a bank, but if you aren't already a bank, you don't get to become a bank".

In the bail-outs, the FED was providing too-big-to-fail regulated depository institutions trillions of dollars at near zero (far exceeding TARP funds; after long hard fought legal battle in the courts to try and prevent releasing the information) ... easy to make profits on difference between cost of money and what they did with it. However, some of the too-big-to-fail were non-bank wallstreet institutions ... which the fed eventually gave bank charters to (presumably should have been precluded by GLBA) so they could also have access to trillions.

past reference to one of the GLBA authors (and his wife) played significant role in the financial events of the past decade:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#38 People to Blame for the Financial Crisis
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#53 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#55 Who will give Citigroup the KNOCKOUT blow?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#65 is it possible that ALL banks will be nationalized?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#10 Who will Survive AIG or Derivative Counterparty Risk?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#28 I need insight on the Stock Market
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#61 Quiz: Evaluate your level of Spreadsheet risk
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#62 Is Wall Street World's Largest Ponzi Scheme where Madoff is Just a Poster Child?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#63 Do bonuses foster unethical conduct?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#73 Should Glass-Steagall be reinstated?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#0 What is swap in the financial market?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#8 The background reasons of Credit Crunch
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#13 Should we fear and hate derivatives?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#23 Should FDIC or the Federal Reserve Bank have the authority to shut down and take over non-bank financial institutions like AIG?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#35 Architectural Diversity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#29 What is the real basis for business mess we are facing today?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#38 On whom or what would you place the blame for the sub-prime crisis?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#51 On whom or what would you place the blame for the sub-prime crisis?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#53 What every taxpayer should know about what caused the current Financial Crisis
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#5 Do the current Banking Results in the US hide a grim truth?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#7 Just posted third article about toxic assets in a series on the current financial crisis
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#33 Treating the Web As an Archive
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#76 Undoing 2000 Commodity Futures Modernization Act
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#17 REGULATOR ROLE IN THE LIGHT OF RECENT FINANCIAL SCANDALS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#54 64 Cores -- IBM is showing a prototype already
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#60 In the USA "financial regulator seeks power to curb excess speculation."
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#74 Administration calls for financial system overhaul
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#77 Financial Regulatory Reform - elimination of loophole allowing special purpose institutions outside Bank Holding Company (BHC) oversigh
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#21 The Big Takeover
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#30 An Amazing Document On Madoff Said To Have Been Sent To SEC In 2005
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#35 what is mortgage-backed securities?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009n.html#56 Opinions on the 'Unix Haters' Handbook'
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#84 Opinions on the 'Unix Haters' Handbook'
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#51 Opinions on the 'Unix Haters' Handbook
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#77 Now is time for banks to replace core system according to Accenture
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#82 Oldest Instruction Set still in daily use?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#92 Who's to Blame for the Meltdown?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#28 Our Pecora Moment
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#67 The Python and the Mongoose: it helps if you know the rules of engagement

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The first personal computer (PC)

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 14:09:17 -0500
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> writes:
The very fundamental problem with a flat tax system is that is extremely regressive.

Particularly with the US income tax system where the bottom half of individuals pay very little nett income tax at all.


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#18 The first personal computer (PC)

being 400-500 pages (instead of one or two) effectively eliminated nearly all of the regressive issue ... with the increased productivity more than offsetting all the other downsides. the issue was that constant special provisions activity has come to be a major part of the disease that is killing the patient.

eliminating all the ongoing special provision activity and churn in the tax code has more upside benefit than all the possible downsides.

however, the economist roundtable was somewhat pessimistic ... commenting that the participants are so thoroughly venial and corrupt along with the magnitude of money involved ... that it probably would only take a couple of years before they came up some other mechanism for their graft.

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 14:25:03 -0500
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#18 The first personal computer (PC)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#19 The first personal computer (PC)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#20 The first personal computer (PC)

related recent item

MIT on Economic Policy, Ignores Governemnt Corruption:
http://www.phibetaiota.net/2011/03/mit-on-economic-policy-ignores-government-corruption/

and

Economic Policy Challenges: Macroeconomics and Fiscal Policy
http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/875

also references: Griftopia--Bubble Machines, Vampire Squids, and the Long Con That Is Breaking America
http://www.phibetaiota.net/2010/11/review-griftopia-bubble-machines-vampire-squids-and-the-long-con-that-is-breaking-america/

and: Inside Job
http://www.phibetaiota.net/2011/03/review-dvd-inside-job/

which got academy award:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/feb/28/inside-job-best-documentary-oscar

DVD
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0041KKYBA/oss.net-20

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The first personal computer (PC)

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 14:45:22 -0500
Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> writes:
Taxing corporations _is_ taxing individuals. If they were taxed less, or not taxed, they could either pay more dividends or their stock price would go up, increasing the values of everyone's retirement and any other investments they might have. Tax individuals or tax corporations, but taxing both seems like double taxation.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#18 The first personal computer (PC)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#19 The first personal computer (PC)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#20 The first personal computer (PC)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#21 The first personal computer (PC)

note that taxing any legal entity can be construed as taxing some other entity ... aka taxing (individual) farmers theoritically drives up food costs which has to be paid for by any other entity.

there is a particular double taxaction with respect to individuals ... where the dividends are paid out of after tax profits (aka already taxed) and then individuals receiving dividends are taxed again (the double taxation theoritically justifies a lower tax rate on dividends taxes which have aleady been taxed).

the whole thing has somewhat motivated europe's "value added tax" ... where tax is only on incremental added value not on underlying components that have previously been taxed.

the counter example is not taxing legal entities calling themselves corporations ... then results in things like individuals (say farmers) re-organizing all their operations into a corporation and everything they buy & spend is done as a corporation (their land, equipment, homes, cars, buildings) ... and all "profits" are moved overseas to tax shelters which are never repatriated to this country (and never show up as something to be taxed in this country). oh wait, some of the largest corporations are already paying zero tax by stuffing profits into overseas tax havens (the european banks that have been subject of treasury legal action is only about overseas tax havens for individuals; corporations are already allowed to move profits offshore to avoid taxation).

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 18:04:29 -0500
Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> writes:
More likely, they could give a really nice raise to the CEO and a pretty good raise to the rest of the executive suite. That seems to be where all the corporate tax cuts since the Eisenhower administration have gone.

there have been legal action about corporations in the middle-90s lobbying for corporate retirement funds to be treated as assets rather than liabilities. the change resulted in really juicing some corporations bottom lines and various executives got hundreds of millions in additional bonuses (which had been written to tie bonuses to bottom line improvement).

in the past decade ... there was a whole lot of things that SEC wasn't doing anything about. one was testimony in the congressional madoff hearings by the person that had tried unsuccessfully for a decade to get SEC to do something about Madoff.

Then there is all the stuff with heavy leveraging that played a major role in the financial disaster. Then there are the rating agencies ... that SEC was supposed to do something about ... but didn't ... who were selling triple-A ratings for toxic CDOs. This provided nearly unlimited funds for unregulated loan originators ($27T during the period). It also eliminated any motivation for unregulated loan originators to care about borrower's qualification or loan quality (they got their money immediately regardless ... only limit was total aggregate loans they could write per day). The resulting no-documentation, no-down, 1% interest only payment mortgages were gold mine for real-estate speculators (potentially 2000% ROI in regions with 20-30% inflation ... which was further fueled by speculation) ... basically these loans became the equivalent of the "Brokers' Loans" that fueled the '20s stock market frenzy (allowing speculators to treat the real-estate market like the '20s stock market).
Evil Wall Street Exports Boomed With 'Fools' Born to Buy Debt
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&refer=home&sid=a0jln3.CSS6c

On the backside of the $27T in triple-A rated toxic CDOs, wallstreet collected enormous (transaction) fees and comissions. This seems to account for reports that wall street bonuses spiked over 400% during the period and the size of the financial industry (as percent of GDP) tripled during the period. Recently there were reports that traders in various institutions were churing their triple-A rated toxic CDOs portfolies ... where they would buy triple-A rated toxic CDOs from another institution's portfolio when that trader bought an equivalent amount of triple-A rated toxic CDOs from them. The massive amount of triple-A rated toxic CDOs might possibly bring down the institution, but the enormous personal compensation appeared to eliminate any concern about such events.

The role that repeal of Glass-Steagall (had to play) was that too-big-to-fail regulated depository institutions now had unregulated investment bankers that could deal in triple-A rated toxic CDOs and carry them off-balance (in addition to do loads of portfolio churning with other institutions). At the end of 2008, it was estiamted that the four largest too-big-to-fail (regulated banks) had $5.2T in triple-A rated toxic CDOs being carried "off-balance". There had been a few transactions for aggregate of several tens of billions that had gone for 22cent on the dollar. If those four banks were required to gring the $5.2T back on their books, they would have been declared insolvent and be forced to be liquidated. One of the other details that the FED has been forced to release mentioned that the FED has been buying up these off-balance assets at 98cents on the dollar (in addition to providing trillions of dollars at near zero percent).

In the wake of ENRON, congress passed sarbanes-oxley which supposedly significantly strengthen the auditing for public companies as well as penalties for falsification. However, all this required SEC to do something. Possibly because GAO didn't think SEC was doing anything ... it started doing reports of public company financial filings that it felt had significant problems (fraud &/or audit mistakes) ... which showed uptick even after Sarbanes-Oxley. Semi-facetious ... then Sarbanes-Oxley

1) had no effect on public company fraudulent financial filings

2) encouraged the increase in public company fraudulent financial filings

3) if it weren't for SOX, all public company financial filings would be fraudulent.

The major purpose of the fraudulent filings were to boost executive bonuses ... and even for filings that were later correct, the wasn't a corresponding correction in the bonuses.

misc. past posts mentioning the $27T in total transactions, the $5.2T still held off balance at the end of 2008, the 400% spike in bonuses, the tripling in financial industry size (as percent of GDP), GAO reports on fraudulent financial filings of public companies (showing uptick even after passage of SOX):
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#25 The recently revealed excesses of John Thain, the former CEO of Merrill Lynch, while the firm was receiving $25 Billion in TARP funds makes me sick
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#36 A great article was posted in another BI group: "To H*** with Business Intelligence: 40 Percent of Execs Trust Gut"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#48 The blame game is on : A blow to the Audit/Accounting Industry or a lesson learned ???
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#49 US disaster, debts and bad financial management
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#52 What has the Global Financial Crisis taught the Nations, it's Governments and Decision Makers, and how should they apply that knowledge to manage risks differently in the future?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#53 Credit & Risk Management ... go Simple ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#54 In your opinion, which facts caused the global crise situation?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#73 What can we learn from the meltdown?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#80 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#0 Audit II: Two more scary words: Sarbanes-Oxley
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#16 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#20 Decision Making or Instinctive Steering?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#29 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#0 PNC Financial to pay CEO $3 million stock bonus
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#3 Congress Set to Approve Pay Cap of $500,000
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#37 NEW SEC (Enforcement) MANUAL, A welcome addition
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#42 Bernard Madoff Is Jailed After Pleading Guilty -- are there more "Madoff's" out there?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#61 Quiz: Evaluate your level of Spreadsheet risk
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#62 Is Wall Street World's Largest Ponzi Scheme where Madoff is Just a Poster Child?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#63 Do bonuses foster unethical conduct?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#73 Should Glass-Steagall be reinstated?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#23 Should FDIC or the Federal Reserve Bank have the authority to shut down and take over non-bank financial institutions like AIG?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#36 Architectural Diversity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#37 How do you see ethics playing a role in your organizations current or past?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#40 Architectural Diversity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#2 CEO pay sinks - Wall Street Journal/Hay Group survey results just released
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#29 What is the real basis for business mess we are facing today?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#51 On whom or what would you place the blame for the sub-prime crisis?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#7 Just posted third article about toxic assets in a series on the current financial crisis
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#33 Treating the Web As an Archive
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#52 Future of Financial Mathematics?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#53 We Can't Subsidize the Banks Forever
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#3 Consumer Credit Crunch and Banking Writeoffs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#17 REGULATOR ROLE IN THE LIGHT OF RECENT FINANCIAL SCANDALS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#21 China's yuan 'set to usurp US dollar' as world's reserve currency
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#60 In the USA "financial regulator seeks power to curb excess speculation."
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#12 IBM identity manager goes big on role control
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#30 An Amazing Document On Madoff Said To Have Been Sent To SEC In 2005
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009n.html#13 UK issues Turning apology (and about time, too)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009n.html#21 UK issues Turning apology (and about time, too)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#4 alphas was: search engine history, was Happy DEC
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#5 alphas was: search engine history, was Happy DEC
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#8 search engine history, was Happy DEC-10 Day
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#10 search engine history, was Happy DEC-10 Day
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#11 search engine history, was Happy DEC-10 Day
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#26 search engine history, was Happy DEC-10 Day
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#29 search engine history, was Happy DEC-10 Day
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#74 LPARs: More or Less?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#15 LPARs: More or Less?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#33 The 2010 Census
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#54 The 2010 Census
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#69 The 2010 Census
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#76 The 2010 Census
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#15 The Revolving Door and S.E.C. Enforcement
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#22 In the News: SEC storms the 'Castle'
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#43 COBOL - no longer being taught - is a problem
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010i.html#34 Idiotic programming style edicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010i.html#47 "Fraud & Stupidity Look a Lot Alike"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010k.html#46 Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#38 Who is Really to Blame for the Financial Crisis?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#40 Who is Really to Blame for the Financial Crisis?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#48 Who is Really to Blame for the Financial Crisis?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#53 Who is Really to Blame for the Financial Crisis?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#56 Who is Really to Blame for the Financial Crisis?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#29 Idiotic programming style edicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#33 Idiotic programming style edicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#35 Idiotic programming style edicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#40 Idiotic programming style edicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#55 The 10 Highest-Paid CEOs Who Laid Off The Most Employees
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#22 60 Minutes News Report:Unemployed for over 99 weeks!
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#24 What Is MERS and What Role Does It Have in the Foreclosure Mess?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#37 WHAT, WHY AND HOW - FRAUD, IMPACT OF AUDIT
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#59 They always think we don't understand
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#6 What banking is. (Essential for predicting the end of finance as we know it.)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#7 What banking is. (Essential for predicting the end of finance as we know it.)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#17 What banking is. (Essential for predicting the end of finance as we know it.)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#63 TCM's Moguls documentary series
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#74 TCM's Moguls documentary series
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#58 Programmer Charged with thieft (maybe off topic)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#46 What do you think about fraud prevention in the governments?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#48 What do you think about fraud prevention in the governments?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#50 What do you think about fraud prevention in the governments?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#80 Chinese and Indian Entrepreneurs Are Eating America's Lunch
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#84 The Imaginot Line
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#94 The Curly Factor -- Prologue
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#27 The Zippo Lighter theory of the financial crisis (or, who do we want to blame?)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#42 Productivity And Bubbles
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#43 Productivity And Bubbles
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#45 Productivity And Bubbles
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#56 Productivity And Bubbles
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#46 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company

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IBM Watson's Ancestors: A Look at Supercomputers of the Past

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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler)
Date: 02 Mar, 2011
Subject: IBM Watson's Ancestors: A Look at Supercomputers of the Past
Blog: Greater IBM
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#7 IBM Watson's Ancestors: A Look at Supercomputers of the Past

... note above was posted to both "Greater IBM" and "IBM Alumni"

google book page reference that discusses both GF11 (Moulic and Barzilai) and RP3

http://books.google.com/books?id=bLrUaav2OsMC&pg=PA19&lpg=PA19&dq=rp3+gf11&source=bl&ots=2nM2CS8wpx&sig=GmamWeoPk8D3t5kH0Cl7z6WfJ6o&hl=en&ei=Js9uTZaWNtPSgQerv51W&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAA

above describes GF11 as a "one-off" special purpose ... while RP3 was something more of general purpose. In the 80s, FSD had gotten into heavily funding the RP3 effort and at one point FSD asked my wife to audit the project. After the audit, FSD terminated RP3 funding.

That may or may not have contributed to having cluster scaleup transferred at the end of Jan92 and being told we couldn't work on anything with more than four processors

another reference that mentions both G11 (1987) and RP3 (1985)
http://domino.research.ibm.com/comm/research.nsf/pages/r.arch.abs.html.

I had taken a slightly different approach with "processor clusters" in 1984 ... and as mentioned in old email ... it was going on at the same time as what I was doing that would eventually become NSFNET backbone (old email references that I had to find a substitute to do presentation to director of NSF on high-speed network ... in order to do a "processor cluster" meeting in YKT).
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#6 Other early NSFNET backbone
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#12 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#27 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#4 Is email dead? What do you think?

past posts mention of ha/cmp effort
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hacmp

past posts mention of NSFNET backbone
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#nsfnet

oh ... with respect to the line in the google book page about doing well in the mid-80s (before the red-ink of the 90s) ... see recent posts in the (Greater IBM) "I actually miss working at IBM" ... that starts out with reference to fast track and comments about projections that the $60B revenue was going to double and there was massive building program to double manufacturing capacity (even tho the trend in hardware commoditizing was already starting to indicate the business was heading in the opposite direction). Also archived here:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#12 I actually miss working at IBM

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The first personal computer (PC)

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 19:20:35 -0500
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> writes:
The ratings agencys had a rationale for the AAA ratings, they claimed that the default rate was very low, and it was, and that the bundling that CDOs involved meant that what defaults there were would just marginally reduce the earnings of a particular CDO.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#18 The first personal computer (PC)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#19 The first personal computer (PC)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#20 The first personal computer (PC)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#21 The first personal computer (PC)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#22 The first personal computer (PC)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#23 The first personal computer (PC)

the congressional rating agency hearings in the fall of 2008 had people testifying (from the rating agencies) that the people (in the rating agencies) selling the triple-A ratings "knew" they weren't worth the triple-A ratings ... all the rest is pure smoke and mirrors to try and cover up.

there was some amount of discussion in the hearings that the rating agency business process became misaligned ... when the rating agencies switched from buyers paying for the ratings to the sellers paying for the ratings (creating the opportunity for conflict of interest).

in jan2009 there was brief notice from the treasury about some companies that they would be using to value toxic assets for purchase. this was when they still believed that the TARP funds could be used to buy the toxic assets (which is in the name of the act). However, they fairly quickly found out that the appropriated funds would hardly make a dent in the amount of triple-A rated toxic CDOs (just the four largest still having $5.2T being held off-balance). After that there was no mention of buying up toxic assets and all the press was about all the other kinds of things TARP funds would be used for instead.

trivia ... one of the companies mentioned in jan2009 that was going to be used for evaluting triple-A rated toxic CDOs, had bought the "pricing services division" from one of the three major rating agencies ... when the rating agencies were switching from buyers paying for the ratings to the sellers paying for the ratings (creating misaligned business process and the opening for conflict of interest ... as per the congressional hearings).

disclaimer: I knew many of the people in the company that bought the pricing services division ... and at one time interviewed to work for them.

in any case, a caustic view is that when they switched to sellers paying for the ratings they no longer needed to accurately valuate the instruments (or a pricing services division) that they were giving ratings on.

2nd disclaimer: in the late 90s, we were asked to look at methodologies for valuing securitized mortgages ... in part because they had been used during the S&L crisis to obfuscate the underlying value (problem was widely known in the industry) ... this was before the sellers found out that they could pay the rating agencies for triple-A rating.

misc. past posts mentioning misaligned business process and conflict of interest:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#74 CROOKS and NANNIES: what would Boyd do?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#77 CROOKS and NANNIES: what would Boyd do?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#53 Credit & Risk Management ... go Simple ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#45 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#51 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#61 Accounting for the "greed factor"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#65 is it possible that ALL banks will be nationalized?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#15 The background reasons of Credit Crunch
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#58 S.E.C. Moves to Tighten Rules on Bonds Backed by Consumer Loans
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#67 The Python and the Mongoose: it helps if you know the rules of engagement
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010i.html#49 "Fraud & Stupidity Look a Lot Alike"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010j.html#12 Warren Buffett faces hearing over ratings agencies
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010m.html#72 Idiotic programming style edicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#8 PCI: Smaller Merchants Threatened

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The first personal computer (PC)

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 19:54:00 -0500
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> writes:
It was even worse than that. Those NINJA loans actually paid a higher commission because the interest rate paid was higher once the initial sucker rate ran out, and so it was in the loan originator's interest to write that sort of loan just for the higher commission.

Again, NO ONE, not Bernanke or anyone else saw that coming either.


article that somebody raised the issue in 2003 ... that selling off loans eliminated any motivation for the loan originators to care about loan quality or borrowers qualifications ... and the street did their best to hammer him

The Man Who Beat The Shorts
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2008/1117/114.html

semi-related ... a couple years later, cramer in an interview commented that illegal naked shorting was epidemic (technique used to hammer the individual) ... but nobody was worried that SEC would do anything
http://nypost.com/2007/03/20/cramer-reveals-a-bit-too-much/

also semi-related:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depository_Trust_&_Clearing_Corporation

above mentions DTCC resisting releasing records that might be used to show illegal naked sort activity (which cramer claimed to be wide-spread).

disclaimer ... in the late 90s, I was asked in to NSCC (before they merged with DTC to become DTCC) to look at improving integrity of trading transactions (some people from NSCC had been on payments standard working group where I helped author a standard to significantly improving integrity of payment transactions). After doing some amount of work, the activity was suspended with a comment that a side-effect of the integrity work would have greatly increased the transparency and visibility of trading transactions (which appears to be anti-thetical to trading culture). Transparency and visibility was also the number one thing identified by the person that tried for a decade to get SEC to do something about Madoff.

There was also a 2008 KPMG survey that found 60% of employees in banking and financial industry had personally observed misconduct that "could cause a significant loss of public trust if discovered" (a rate possibly twice that of other industries).

misc. past posts mentioning "The Man Who Beat The Shorts"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008q.html#68 Obama, ACORN, subprimes (Re: Spiders)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008q.html#69 if you are an powerful financial regulator , how would you have stopped the credit crunch?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008r.html#36 Blinkenlights
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008r.html#64 Is This a Different Kind of Financial Crisis?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008r.html#67 What is securitization and why are people wary of it ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#9 Blind-sided, again. Why?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#18 What next? from where would the Banks be hit?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#20 Five great technological revolutions
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#23 Garbage in, garbage out trampled by Moore's law
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#35 Is American capitalism and greed to blame for our financial troubles in the US?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#55 Is this the story behind the crunchy credit stuff?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#14 What are the challenges in risk analytics post financial crisis?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#42 Lets play Blame Game...?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#52 The Credit Crunch: Why it happened?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#73 CROOKS and NANNIES: what would Boyd do?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#1 Are Both The U.S. & UK on the brink of debt disaster?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#37 A great article was posted in another BI group: "To H*** with Business Intelligence: 40 Percent of Execs Trust Gut"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#52 What has the Global Financial Crisis taught the Nations, it's Governments and Decision Makers, and how should they apply that knowledge to manage risks differently in the future?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#53 Credit & Risk Management ... go Simple ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#54 In your opinion, which facts caused the global crise situation?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#73 What can we learn from the meltdown?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#78 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#39 'WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE GLOBAL MELTDOWN'
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#61 Accounting for the "greed factor"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#65 is it possible that ALL banks will be nationalized?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#37 NEW SEC (Enforcement) MANUAL, A welcome addition
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#62 Is Wall Street World's Largest Ponzi Scheme where Madoff is Just a Poster Child?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#73 Should Glass-Steagall be reinstated?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#77 Who first mentioned Credit Crunch?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#8 The background reasons of Credit Crunch
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#23 Should FDIC or the Federal Reserve Bank have the authority to shut down and take over non-bank financial institutions like AIG?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#31 What is the real basis for business mess we are facing today?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#38 On whom or what would you place the blame for the sub-prime crisis?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#49 Is the current downturn cyclic or systemic?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#53 What every taxpayer should know about what caused the current Financial Crisis
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#27 Flawed Credit Ratings Reap Profits as Regulators Fail Investors
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#25 The Paradox of Economic Recovery
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#29 Analysing risk, especially credit risk in Banks, which was a major reason for the current crisis
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#49 IBM to Build Europe, Asia 'Smart Infrastructure'
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#60 In the USA "financial regulator seeks power to curb excess speculation."
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#35 what is mortgage-backed securities?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#34 Happy DEC-10 Day
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#48 Happy DEC-10 Day
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#58 S.E.C. Moves to Tighten Rules on Bonds Backed by Consumer Loans
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#67 The Python and the Mongoose: it helps if you know the rules of engagement
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#38 Who is Really to Blame for the Financial Crisis?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#17 What banking is. (Essential for predicting the end of finance as we know it.)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#43 WikiLeaks' Wall Street Bombshell

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The first personal computer (PC)

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 20:01:45 -0500
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> writes:
To avoid another great depression or worse.

It took a long time to do anything as concrete as that in the 30s.

We are getting better at it, the unemployment rate only just made it into double digits for a couple of quarters this time around.

Some countrys like Australia didnt even get a recession this time around.


in early 2009, I was asked to HTML'ize the Pecora hearings (had been scanned the fall before at the Boston Public Library and were available online at the wayback machine; i.e. 30s senate hearings into the 20s speculation frenzy and crash) ... with heavy cross-indexing and HREFs between what happened then and what happened this time (there was apparently the belief that the new congress had appetite to do something about the problem).

After putting in quite a bit of work, I got a call saying it wasn't needed. About that time there were numerous press items about the financial industry had three lobbyists in $400 ($2000?) suits on the hill for every member of congress.

past posts mentioning Pecora hearings:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#58 OCR scans of old documents
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#59 As bonuses...why breed greed, when others are in dire need?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#62 Is Wall Street World's Largest Ponzi Scheme where Madoff is Just a Poster Child?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#73 Should Glass-Steagall be reinstated?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#77 Who first mentioned Credit Crunch?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#8 The background reasons of Credit Crunch
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#23 Should FDIC or the Federal Reserve Bank have the authority to shut down and take over non-bank financial institutions like AIG?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#40 Architectural Diversity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#56 What's your personal confidence level concerning financial market recovery?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#65 Just posted third article about toxic assets in a series on the current financial crisis
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#5 Do the current Banking Results in the US hide a grim truth?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#33 Treating the Web As an Archive
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#22 China's yuan 'set to usurp US dollar' as world's reserve currency
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#25 The Paradox of Economic Recovery
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#29 Analysing risk, especially credit risk in Banks, which was a major reason for the current crisis
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#40 64 Cores -- IBM is showing a prototype already
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#57 In the USA "financial regulator seeks power to curb excess speculation."
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#35 what is mortgage-backed securities?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#23 Opinions on the 'Unix Haters' Handbook'
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#2 Opinions on the 'Unix Haters' Handbook
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#20 U.K. lags in information security management practices
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#25 Opinions on the 'Unix Haters' Handbook
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009r.html#53 70 Years of ATM Innovation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009r.html#73 70 Years of ATM Innovation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#6 Bookshelves under BookMangler
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#54 The 2010 Census
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#28 Our Pecora Moment
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#52 Our Pecora Moment
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#68 Our Pecora Moment
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#73 Our Pecora Moment
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#38 Who is Really to Blame for the Financial Crisis?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010m.html#8 Who is Really to Blame for the Financial Crisis?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#59 They always think we don't understand
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#7 What banking is. (Essential for predicting the end of finance as we know it.)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#16 Rare Apple I computer sells for $216,000 in London
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#59 TCM's Moguls documentary series
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#16 TCM's Moguls documentary series
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#53 Programmer Charged with thieft (maybe off topic)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#49 What do you think about fraud prevention in the governments?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#84 The Imaginot Line
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#42 Productivity And Bubbles
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#43 Productivity And Bubbles
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#45 Productivity And Bubbles
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#53 Productivity And Bubbles

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 22:35:52 -0500
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
article that somebody raised the issue in 2003 ... that selling off loans eliminated any motivation for the loan originators to care about loan quality or borrowers qualifications ... and the street did their best to hammer him

The Man Who Beat The Shorts
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2008/1117/114.html


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#26 The first personal computer (PC)

long-winded post from Jan1999 (even before GLBA and repeal of Glass-Steagall) discussing several of the current problems:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay3.htm#riskm

one of the points in the above mentions that in 1989 Citi figures out that its ARM mortgage portfolio could bring down the institution, it unloads the portfolio and gets out of the business ... needing a (private) bail-out to remain operating.

roll forward to the end of 2008 ... and Citi's "investment banking unit" has over a trillion dollars in triple-A rated toxic CDOs being held off-balance (largest percentage of the $5.2T held by the four large too-big-to-fail institutions) ... which underneath all the securitization/CDO obfuscation is fundamentally an ARM mortgage portfolio ... which could also take down the institution (even if the triple-A rating wasn't open to question ... the 1989 "risk" wasn't a loan quality issue ... was purely a issue of adjustable rates) ... and this time Citi (as well as others) need significant bailout to remain operating.

an issue in this case was that the Citi institutional knowledge about fundamental risk in ARM mortgages had apparently evaporated by the early part of this century (slightly over a decade) ... and/or their was no transfer of such knowledge to the investment banking unit (exists courtesy of GLBA and repeal of Glass-Steagall).

An item about the person that took over citi in the mid-90s and was the major player behind getting Glass-Steagall repealed (having gotten temporary waivers from Glass-Steagall by the FED as part of the take-over)

Did Spitzer get a little help in hanging himself?
http://news.muckety.com/2008/03/12/spitzer-falls-farther-and-faster-than-his-targets/1121

from above:
Sanford Weill, who had built Citigroup into a global financial titan, but whose final months as chief executive officer were overshadowed by Spitzer's probe into the relationships between equity research analysts and investment bankers during the internet boom years. Under a 2002 settlement with Wall Street banks, Citigroup paid a $400 million fine, and Weill was forbidden to communicate directly with his company's equity research analysts.

... snip ...

Also covered by PBS in 2003

The Wall Steet Fix
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/press/2118.html
and
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/wallstreet/

which lacks the "punch" of this recent article:

Why Isn't Wall Street in Jail?
http://www.phibetaiota.net/2011/02/why-isnt-wall-street-in-jail-us-fraud-recap/

or the recent "speech" by the person getting oscar for "Inside Job" (not a single financial executive responsible has gone to jail and that is just plain wrong) ... review of "Inside Job"
http://www.phibetaiota.net/2011/03/review-dvd-inside-job/

A few years ago I was asked to analyze a industry report that had detailed bank operating numbers ... something like 60 items per page, and a couple hundred pages. Each item gave the number for avg. for the largest regional banks compared to the avg. for the largest national banks. For whatever reason, the numbers for the regional banks showed slightly better efficiency than the numbers for the national banks ... fundamentally invalidating the various business justifications for the too-big-to-fail institutions. The primary remaining justification was that the executives got bigger compensation and bonuses (which is on par with the motivation that GAO found for the uptick in fraudulent financial filings for public companies during the same period ... none appeared to feel any threat from either SEC or SOX ... rare instances of fines would be paid by the institution with little downside to the executives).

misc. past posts mentioning long-winded jan1999 post:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#30 How many 36-bit Unix ports in the old days?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#33 security engineering versus information security
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007c.html#11 Decoding the encryption puzzle
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007e.html#24 Securing financial transactions a high priority for 2007
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007h.html#64 sizeof() was: The Perfect Computer - 36 bits?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007h.html#66 sizeof() was: The Perfect Computer - 36 bits?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007i.html#12 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#0 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#46 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#75 IBM Unionization
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#51 IBM Unionization
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007n.html#53 Windows Monitor or CUSP? [was ReJohn W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies]
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#0 The Unexpected Fact about the First Computer Programmer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#50 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#7 what does xp do when system is copying
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#60 Fixing our fraying Internet infrastructure
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#1 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#25 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#28 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#12 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#15 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#27 'Man in the browser' is new threat to online banking
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#50 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007v.html#25 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008.html#66 As Expected, Ford Falls From 2nd Place in U.S. Sales
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008.html#70 As Expected, Ford Falls From 2nd Place in U.S. Sales
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008.html#71 As Expected, Ford Falls From 2nd Place in U.S. Sales
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008.html#78 As Expected, Ford Falls From 2nd Place in U.S. Sales
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008b.html#14 on-demand computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008c.html#13 Toyota Sales for 2007 May Surpass GM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008c.html#87 Toyota Sales for 2007 May Surpass GM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008d.html#38 outsourcing moving up value chain
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008e.html#42 Banks failing to manage IT risk - study
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008e.html#65 Banks failing to manage IT risk - study
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008e.html#66 independent appraisers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008e.html#69 independent appraisers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008f.html#11 independent appraisers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008f.html#15 independent appraisers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008f.html#51 independent appraisers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008f.html#57 independent appraisers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008f.html#75 Bush - place in history
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008f.html#76 Bush - place in history
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008f.html#77 Bush - place in history
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008f.html#79 Bush - place in history
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008f.html#86 Banks failing to manage IT risk - study
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008f.html#89 Bush - place in history
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#2 Bush - place in history
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#4 CDOs subverting Boyd's OODA-loop
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#12 independent appraisers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#16 independent appraisers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#32 independent appraisers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#51 IBM CEO's remuneration last year ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#57 Credit crisis could cost nearly $1 trillion, IMF predicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#59 Credit crisis could cost nearly $1 trillion, IMF predicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#64 independent appraisers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008h.html#1 subprime write-down sweepstakes
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008h.html#3 America's Prophet of Fiscal Doom
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008h.html#8a Using Military Philosophy to Drive High Value Sales
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008h.html#28 subprime write-down sweepstakes
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008h.html#32 subprime write-down sweepstakes
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008h.html#89 Credit Crisis Timeline
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#30 subprime write-down sweepstakes
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#55 Is data classification the right approach to pursue a risk based information security program?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#64 Is the credit crunch a short term aberation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#77 Do you think the change in bankrupcy laws has exacerbated the problems in the housing market leading more people into forclosure?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#104 dollar coins
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008j.html#23 dollar coins
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008j.html#29 dollar coins
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008j.html#38 dollar coins
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008j.html#46 dollar coins
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008j.html#48 dollar coins
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008j.html#68 lack of information accuracy
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008j.html#69 lack of information accuracy
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008k.html#10 Why do Banks lend poorly in the sub-prime market? Because they are not in Banking!
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008k.html#11 dollar coins
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008k.html#16 dollar coins
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008k.html#27 dollar coins
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008k.html#33 dollar coins
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008l.html#67 dollar coins
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#12 Fraud due to stupid failure to test for negative
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#26 Fraud due to stupid failure to test for negative
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#27 Fraud due to stupid failure to test for negative
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#91 Blinkylights
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#92 Blinkylights
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#95 Blinkylights
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#99 Blinkylights
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#14 Blinkylights
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#24 Blinkylights
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#37 Success has many fathers, but failure has the US taxpayer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#49 VMware Chief Says the OS Is History
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#56 VMware Chief Says the OS Is History
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#69 Another quiet week in finance
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#94 Blinkylights
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008o.html#14 Blinkylights
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008o.html#15 Financial Crisis - the result of uncontrolled Innovation?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008o.html#19 What's your view of current global financial / economical situation?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008o.html#26 SOX (Sarbanes-Oxley Act), is this really followed and worthful considering current Financial Crisis?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008o.html#28 Does anyone get the idea that those responsible for containing this finanical crisis are doing too much?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008o.html#42 The human plague
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008o.html#65 Can the financial meltdown be used to motivate sustainable development in order to achieve sustainable growth and desired sustainability?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008o.html#68 Blinkenlights
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008o.html#78 Who murdered the financial system?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008o.html#80 Can we blame one person for the financial meltdown?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008o.html#82 Greenspan testimony and securization
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008p.html#47 In Modeling Risk, the Human Factor Was Left Out
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008p.html#70 Is there any technology that we are severely lacking in the Financial industry?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008q.html#11 Blinkenlights
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008q.html#26 Blinkenlights
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008q.html#57 Blinkenlights
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008r.html#4 Basel Committee outlines plans to strengthen Basel II
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008r.html#35 Blinkenlights
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008r.html#67 What is securitization and why are people wary of it ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#8 Top financial firms of US are eyeing on bailout. It implies to me that their "Risk Management Department's" assessment was way below expectations
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#9 Blind-sided, again. Why?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#20 Five great technological revolutions
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#23 Garbage in, garbage out trampled by Moore's law
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#35 Is American capitalism and greed to blame for our financial troubles in the US?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#55 Is this the story behind the crunchy credit stuff?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#60 Garbage in, garbage out trampled by Moore's law
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#63 Garbage in, garbage out trampled by Moore's law
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#15 What are the challenges in risk analytics post financial crisis?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#52 The Credit Crunch: Why it happened?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#54 Business Science
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#63 CROOKS and NANNIES: what would Boyd do?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#84 what was the idea behind Citigroup's splitting up into two different divisions? what does this do for citigroup?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#1 Are Both The U.S. & UK on the brink of debt disaster?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#23 BarCampBank - informal finance rantathon in London
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#37 A great article was posted in another BI group: "To H*** with Business Intelligence: 40 Percent of Execs Trust Gut"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#53 Credit & Risk Management ... go Simple ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#56 In your opinion, which facts caused the global crise situation?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#65 What can agencies such as the SEC do to insure us that something like Madoff's Ponzi scheme will never happen again?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#73 What can we learn from the meltdown?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#80 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#1 Audit II: Two more scary words: Sarbanes-Oxley
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#40 Bernanke Says Regulators Must Protect Against Systemic Risks
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#45 Bernanke Says Regulators Must Protect Against Systemic Risks
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#59 Quiz: Evaluate your level of Spreadsheet risk
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#73 Should Glass-Steagall be reinstated?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#77 Who first mentioned Credit Crunch?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#8 The background reasons of Credit Crunch
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#31 What is the real basis for business mess we are facing today?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#43 On whom or what would you place the blame for the sub-prime crisis?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#49 Is the current downturn cyclic or systemic?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#65 Just posted third article about toxic assets in a series on the current financial crisis
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#1 Future of Financial Mathematics?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#5 Do the current Banking Results in the US hide a grim truth?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#21 IBM forecasts 'new world order' for financial services
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#27 Flawed Credit Ratings Reap Profits as Regulators Fail Investors
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#31 OODA-loop obfuscation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#29 Analysing risk, especially credit risk in Banks, which was a major reason for the current crisis
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#94 The Curly Factor -- Prologue
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#27 The Zippo Lighter theory of the financial crisis (or, who do we want to blame?)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#59 Productivity And Bubbles

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IBM Watson's Ancestors: A Look at Supercomputers of the Past

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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler)
Date: 02 Mar, 2011
Subject: IBM Watson's Ancestors: A Look at Supercomputers of the Past
Blog: Greater IBM
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#7 IBM Watson's Ancestors: A Look at Supercomputers of the Past
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#24 IBM Watson's Ancestors: A Look at Supercomputers of the Past

One of the issues in the 90s was whether it was nodes or processors. RIOS/Power had no cache consistency ... and all cluster nodes were single processors. One of the things in somerset (AIM) was single chip and cache consistency (supporting multiprocessor shared memory). This mentions POWER3 configurations with up to 8 processor (shared memory at each node) with POWER3-based in 99:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Scalable_POWERparallel

and power3 discussion here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POWER3

mentions that was beefed up powerpc 620
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC_620

ASCI white lists 16 processors per node and 512 nodes (total 8,192 processors) in summer 2000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCI_White

it mentions 375mhz ... which would make it power3-II processors

Power4 moves to 1.3ghz clock (power4+ at 1.9ghz)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POWER4

power3 article mentions it was originally to be called powerpc 630. in comp.arch newsgroup there have been lots of statements that 630 was a significant effort by the rochester/as400 group (as opposed to AIM/somerset group).

this mentions SP2 with power3 multiprocessor nodes, three types of nodes (thin, wide, and high) and short or tall frames. Frames can be interconnected with up to 128 nodes (512 by special order ... aka ASCI white?) using power3-II processors at 375mhz or 450mhz
http://archive.rootvg.net/column_risc.htm

ASC Purple:
https://asc.llnl.gov/computing_resources/purple/
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASC_Purple

July, 2005 (shutdown 10Nov2010) 12,544 POWER5 processors

this has 1280 nodes with eight 1.9ghz POWER5 processors/node (10240 processors)
http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/7795.wss

POWER5 (1.5ghz to 2.3ghz)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POWER5

• 17feb92 press item to be marketed only to scientific and technical
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#6000clusters1

• 29jan92 email about working with both oracle (commercial) and LLNL (scientific) ... possible just hrs before we were told we couldn't work on anything with more than four processors:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006x.html#email920129

one of the people referenced in the above email, had dropped by after the LLNL meeting (helping fill in for me at the meeting even tho he wasn't w/IBM) had coined the term "information utility" sort of precursor to current cloud (long ago and far away he had been with Cray & Thornton at CDC)

CDC 6600 ... by Cray and Thornton ... one of the machines listed in wiki "supercomputer"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDC_6600

from long ago and far away ... some benchmarks I did for LLNL on engineering 4341 (compared to cdc 6600)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000d.html#0

LLNL said that they would order 70 4341s if it met their price/performance requirement
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006y.html#email790220

as implied in the LLNL/4341 email reference (for 70 processors), in the late 70s, 4300s managed to catch leading edge of customers buying large collections of smaller processors that had breached some price/performance threshold. other old 43xx email
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#43xx

well before this press item from 1992
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#6000clusters2

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The first personal computer (PC)

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 10:31:49 -0500
Morten Reistad <first@last.name> writes:
The analytical economists saw this, and they saw two other, secondary indicators. They saw the bond security volumes shift rapidly upwards. The ratios between AAA, AA, A, AB etc are pretty constant over time. Shifts of several percent between them is newsworthy stuff. Here the shift was around 60% from midrange to top (AAA- and up). There was no conceivable reason for such a shift to exceed 3-4 %.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#25 The first personal computer (PC)

there was point in 2008 when most of the rest of the community realized that rating agencies were selling triple-A ratings on instruments that didn't justify triple-A ... and (at least) the municipal bond market "froze" ... because investors feared that they may not be able to trust the ratings on anything. Warren Buffett finally stepped in and started offerring muni-bond "insurance" ... he was reasonably sure that most muni-bonds were relatively safe even if there was reason to no longer trust ratings.

misc. past references to Buffett stepping in to bail-out the muni-bond market:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008j.html#9 dollar coins
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008j.html#20 dollar coins
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#29 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#8 The background reasons of Credit Crunch
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#81 The 2010 Census
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#53 Who is Really to Blame for the Financial Crisis?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#17 What banking is. (Essential for predicting the end of finance as we know it.)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#43 Productivity And Bubbles
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#46 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company

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The first personal computer (PC)

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english, alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 10:57:48 -0500
Evan Kirshenbaum <evan.kirshenbaum@gmail.com> writes:
[1] I didn't start using Emacs until early 1983. I can't speak to before then.

for a little drift ... a periodically posted old email reference mentioning the LISP machine people asking IBM for 801/risc chips and Evans offerring them 8100s instead:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003e.html#email790711
in this post
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003e.html#65 801 (was Re: Reviving Multics

as also mentioned in the above, At one point, Evans had asked my wife to do audit of 8100 ... 8100 wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_8100

above email also in these past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006c.html#3 Architectural support for programming languages
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006o.html#45 "25th Anniversary of the Personal Computer"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006t.html#9 32 or even 64 registers for x86-64?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007.html#46 How many 36-bit Unix ports in the old days?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010g.html#41 someone smarter than Dave Cutler

for other topic drift ... this recent post references that sometime later, FSD asked her to review the RP3 effort (which FSD was heavily funding) and not long later they terminated their funding for RP3
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#24 IBM Watson's Ancestors: A Look at Supercomputers of the Past
some more in the above thread
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#29 IBM Watson's Ancestors: A Look at Supercomputers of the Past

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IBM and the Computer Revolution

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: IBM and the Computer Revolution
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 11:21:42 -0500
Michael Wojcik <mwojcik@newsguy.com> writes:
OS/2 1.1 introduced Presentation Manager (the GUI); OS/2 1.2 introduced HPFS. Numerous business applications ran on those versions, making good use of protected mode, as well as database connectivity and, for IBM shops, SNA networking. It was a much more robust environment than Windows.

from long ago and far away:
San Jose Mercury News, 18 Mar 88, page 12D

Apple sent shock waves thru the computer industry Thursday by filing a lawsuit that could frustrate IBM plans to make its personal computers as easy to use as Apple's.

- Filed in US District Court in San Jose - raises some basic questions about who owns what when it comes to look and feel of PC's - Apple has argued that "user friendly" features of Mac are copyright protected. - IBM has staked the future of PS/2 line on Mac-like features - Apple seeks to stop sale of Microsoft and H-P software that contain features that distinguish Mac computers

- Apple is attacking an ally as well as a competitor (Microsoft) - Microsoft sells the most popular software that runs on Mac - Microsoft is also developing Presentation Manager to run on OS/2 - Presentation Manager is based on Microsoft Windows - Earlier versions of Windows received a "limited license" from Apple - Apple has not approved the latest release of Windows version 2.03 (Infringes Apple's copyrighted "audio visual display") - Apple is saying between-the-lines: "watch out IBM" - Apple suing H-P over the New Wave program (works on IBM compatibles)

- Microsoft: "We don't believe we've infringed any copyrights"

- 1987 landmark ruling in Atlanta: Softklone infringed Digital Communications Associates copyright of screen display - Apple sued Digital Research (for GEM), and DR changed it to meet Apple's demands

Local commentary: - Russo, lawyer in software copyright: . Look and feel of Mac is certainly legally protected . Doesn't mean similar products will be found to violate copyright . Apple has a copyright on display; question is to what degree - Winer, software engineer with Symantec . Relationship between IBM and Apple has always been strained . Apple views Microsoft as a bigger competitor than IBM


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Andrew developments in Rochester

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Andrew developments in Rochester
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 11:46:19 -0500
long winded, from long ago and far away

Date: Thu, 27 Oct 88 12:50:15 -0500 (CDT)
To: wheeler
Subject: Andrew developments in Rochester

I thought you might be interested in some things that have been happening here the past few weeks. A project has begun to work on AS/400-based development tools... that is, tools for development projects and the tools will exploit the AS/400 database capability. The project is also geared to exploit Andrew. The project is just getting underway, so there is much that can happen, but thus far it appears the project will have several related consequences:

a) TCPIP will be offered on AS/400
b) SUN's rpc will be offered on AS/400
c) TELNET and FTP are in plan
d) X client is being looked at
e) Andrew will become the workstation of choice in Rochester. We already have about 100 workstations. The group I am in (doing this project) has ordered another 50.
f) By year end 1990 they project 500 Andrew workstations in use in Rochester
g) MODULA-2 will be the language of choice for most of the work done in Rochester - this includes system code (with optimizations I expect).
h) Software Engineering concepts will be applied for future work. Obviously this is an evolutionary process. A group has already accepted the responsibility of doing the ground work for abstracting AS/400 constructs for use with MODULA-2.
i) BSD Unix will be used until Release 3 of AIX. At that time we will likely change to AIX based on 386s (or whatever seems reasonable at the time).
j) The development tools to run on the AS/400 will tie closely with Andrew workstations. The user interface will exploit the Andrew toolkit. Whenever OS/2 Presentation Manager and ADE and other "stategic" products are available AND PROVIDE AS MUCH CAPABILITY AS WE HAVE AT THAT TIME, we will migrate to the new world. (Capitalized phrase is the one being used by Rochester management).
k) The engineering groups have decided to use Andrew - they have 20 (?) on order and will begin whatever it is they do using Andrew as a base.

While much of this has been talked about for many months, it seems there is some real commitment, as real money is being spent. Momentum is building. Things can still change, so I will not bet my paycheck on it, but clearly there is change in the air. I'll bet that by late this year, it will be very clear just how far this is going to go.

There have been discussions about putting both Andrew File System client and server on AS/400. It is a bit early for this now, but it is under consideration. Given that some Raleigh folks have AFS client and server working under OS/2 (using LU 6.2), it is probably very doable for AS/400. This work might come as a clean up of the AS/400 database (which some have been counceling people to do for several years). If AFS should be put on AS/400, this would provide AFS file servers for the Andrew world.

After seeing how well AFS works here and how it solves so many problems, I was very surprised to hear that Austin uses mostly stand-alone machines and do not exploit even DS. It would seem to me (not being there to really know) that a single-system-image that AFS provides (even better than NFS) would be an enoumous asset to Austin. If you were running an AFS cell, we could gain access to fixes, new releases etc directly from Austin. The kind of cooperation between sites that is possible with AFS cells seems like a technology that can really make a difference for IBM. We'd be very pleased to show off this world if you can swing a trip to the northland (bring your long wooley underway though, winter is a'coming).


... snip ... top of post, old email index

note that in the above there is mention of AIX on 386. there were a number of different AIXes

outside company had done AT&T unix port to IBM/PC. When the 801/romp follow-on to the Displaywriter was killed in Austin, it was decided to turn it into a Unix workstation. The 801/romp software was CP.r operating system implemented in PL.8. For unix workstation, the strategy was to have austin implement a "abstract virtual machine later" (in PL.8) and have that company that did PC/IX do port of AT&T unix to the "abstract virtual machine layer". This was released as unix workstation PC/RT with AIXV2. The justification was that since the Austin people already knew the hardware, they could provide a simplified interface for the unix port ... and the whole thing could be done faster and less resources than than having the company do a port to the bare hardware.

the palo alto group had been working on a (UCB) BSD port to 370 but then were redirected to port to PC/RT (bare hardware) instead. It turns out this was done with less effort than either the PL.8 abstract virtual machine or the AIXV2 port (it was released on the PC/RT as "AOS").

palo alto was also working with UCLA on LOCUS. Ports of Locus was done to a number of platforms and a combined product was eventually done that was released as AIX/370 and AIX/386.

Meanwhile, Austin was working on the RIOS followon to ROMP (released as RS/6000) and AIXV3 (eliminating the abstract virtual machine and merging in some BSD features).

"Andrew" was from CMU (distributed filesystem, widgets, etc) as well as MACH (another UNIX-work alike, similar to UCLA LOCUS, but different, used by NeXT and later Apple) and Camelot (transaction processing).

IBM and DEC had jointly back MIT Athena to the tune of $25M each ... which produced X-windows, Kerberos, and some number of other things.

IBM had backed CMU Andrew to the tune of $50m. Later IBM provided initial/seed funding for Camelot spinoff from CMU as Transarc ... and then later still, bought Transarc outright.

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The first personal computer (PC)

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 12:39:12 -0500
Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> writes:
The bubble should have been called much earlier, but there was too much money to be made in denying that a bubble was happening. And then there were those who had religious belief in the market.

numerous writeups just have a huge number with very large vested interest in keeping it going ... somewhat the theme of the "Why Isn't Wall Street in Jail?" and several other articles ... think of the bubble akin to a form of ponzi scheme with significant portion of manhatten playing in it.

related are the reports about wallstreet bonuses spiked over 400% during the bubble (with large efforts to keep them from returning to pre-bubble levels) and their sector tripled in size (as percent of GDP) during the bubble. "religious belief in the market" ... can also be construed as a facade to keep the marks coming in.

during the height of the bubble there was references to "musical chair" analogy and wondering which institutions would be holding the toxic wastes when the music stopped.

and in the case of the person in 2003 pointing out that immediately securitizing and selling off loans eliminates any reason for the loan orginators to care about loan quality and/or borrower qualifications ... the street really slammed him for daring to expose a major component of the mechanism.

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IBM and the Computer Revolution

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: IBM and the Computer Revolution
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 14:40:43 -0500
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#32 IBM and the Computer Revolution

from someplace on the web ... walks thru install/upgrade of every release of windows (in sequence) ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPnehDhGa14

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The first personal computer (PC)

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 10:03:01 -0500
Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> writes:
The USA and Britain went to war with Germany twice in the 20 century so it is not their favourite country (for good things). A right winger like Bismark is hated by the left wing so they are not going to advertise him. So the origins are ignored.

the obsession with germany shows up in other areas like genocide

What Is Genocide And Why Does Stalin Get A Free Pass?
http://www.science20.com/news_articles/what_genocide_and_why_does_stalin_get_free_pass
Stalin killed millions. A Stanford historian answers the question, was it genocide?
http://news.stanford.edu/news/2010/september/naimark-stalin-genocide-092310.html
misc. other
http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/stalin.htm
http://www.enotes.com/genocide-encyclopedia/stalin-joseph
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

I was at dinner in Los Gatos with CTO and some of his staff from a major Japanese industrial company and mentioned that my wife had lived in the far east when she was a girl. When asked where, I said Nanking ... and nearly all the faces turned pale and conversation stopped for a moment.

misc. past mention of her living in Nanking as a child ... they were airlifted out of Nanking in US army cargo plane on 3hrs notice when the city was ringed, arriving at Tsing Tao airfield after dark (cars and trucks had been collected to light the field)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004e.html#19 Message To America's Students: The War, The Draft, Your Future
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005r.html#3 The 8008
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006b.html#27 IBM 610 workstation computer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006c.html#27 Mount DASD as read-only
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006s.html#44 Universal constants
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#86 IBM Unionization
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#88 IBM Unionization
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#90 IBM Unionization
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008f.html#58 China overtakes U.S. as top Web market
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#43 was: Thanks for the SEL32 Reminder, Al!
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#52 Age
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#66 They always think we don't understand

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The first personal computer (PC)

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Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 15:58:40 -0500
Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> writes:
The bank robber Stalin did not make the mistake of losing to Britain in a major war. Also he does not get a free pass, we Cold Warred him.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#36 The first personal computer (PC)

but we didn't "cold war" him for the genocide ... and nearly all of the cold war went on long after he was no longer on the scene.

as to germany ... before my wife's dad was posted to MAGIC ... he had an engineering combat group in germany ... at the end, typically out in front of the tanks (roads & bridges) ... had a collection of officer daggers (from surrenders; until most of the ww2 stuff was stolen a few yrs ago) and liberated some camps. speculation was that the liberation of camps contributed to him not wanting to stay in germany after the war.

Last year, I found some of his group's status reports in the National Archives ... from one:
On 28 Apr we were put in D/S of the 13th Armd and 80th Inf Divs and G/S Corps Opns. The night of the 28-29 April we cross the DANUBE River and the next day we set-up our OP in SCHLOSS PUCHHOF (vic PUCHOFF); an extensive structure remarkable for the depth of its carpets, the height of its rooms, the profusion of its game, the superiority of its plumbing and the fact that it had been owned by the original financial backer of the NAZIS, Fritz Thyssen. Herr Thyssen was not at home.

Forward from the DANUBE the enemy had been very active, and an intact bridge was never seen except by air reconnaissance. Maintenance of roads and bypasses went on and 29 April we began constructing 835' of M-2 Tdwy Br, plus a plank road approach over the ISAR River at PLATTLING. Construction was completed at 1900 on the 30th. For the month of April we had suffered no casualties of any kind and Die Gotterdamerung was falling, the last days of the once mighty WHERMACHT.


... snip ...

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The first personal computer (PC)

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2011 11:03:06 -0500
Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> writes:
Good thing she got out when she did, too. The headlight bit sounds like an old movie - maybe "The Flying Tigers?"

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#36 The first personal computer (PC)

recent post also mentioning the above
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#0

they lived on the USS Repose in Tsing Tso harbor for three months (and my wife's sister was born there). I've scanned a bunch of old letters from her mother to her mother's mother. old post with a couple postmarks from the USS Repose:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006b.html#33 IBM 610 workstation computer
other refs to the scanned letters
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006s.html#44 Universal constants
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#43 was: Thanks for the SEL32 Reminder, Al!

reference to her parents attending dinners with the general and his wife, one of the Soong sisters
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#32

amazon reference to magic
http://www.amazon.com/Welcome-Advisory-Engineer-Section-Nanking/dp/B004CAR71E

national archives reference
http://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/334.html#334.5.3

USS Repose was decomissioned and later recomissioned and saw duty off Vietnam. some other Repose refs:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008f.html#47 WWII
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008f.html#90 WWII supplies

in recent years ... we were talking to somebody who remembers being airlifted in army cargo plane out of Nanking when the airfield was ringed.

scan of part of (magic) id card

MAGIC ID CARD


http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/idnanking.jpg

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The first personal computer (PC)

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2011 11:36:53 -0500
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#36 The first personal computer (PC)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#37 The first personal computer (PC)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#38 The first personal computer (PC)

scanned/clipped old snapshot that had the german dagger board in the background (some of the german officer daggers from surrenders ... before they were all stolen with much of his other ww2 stuff).

german dagger board


http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/daggers2.jpg

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IBM Watson's Ancestors: A Look at Supercomputers of the Past

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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler)
Date: 05 Mar, 2011
Subject: IBM Watson's Ancestors: A Look at Supercomputers of the Past
Blog: Greater IBM
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#7 IBM Watson's Ancestors: A Look at Supercomputers of the Past
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#24 IBM Watson's Ancestors: A Look at Supercomputers of the Past
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#29 IBM Watson's Ancestors: A Look at Supercomputers of the Past

Blue Gene
http://www.ibm.com/ibm100/us/en/icons/bluegene/

i.e. later LLNL collections/clusters of processors asci white (aug2001) and asc purple (jul2005) ... and blue gene (concurrent with asc purple)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Gene

sep2004 prototype at IBM Rochester ... eight cabinets with 1024 compute "nodes" ... then doubled to 16 cabinets.

article refers to ASIC with two powerpc 440 cores (powerpc 440 from 1999)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC_400#PowerPC_440

above mentions that AMCC bought 400 family core assets from IBM in Apr2004

LLNL blue genie (nov2004 to jun2008)
https://asc.llnl.gov/computing_resources/bluegenel/

more blue gene here:
http://wiki.ccni.rpi.edu/index.php/16_Rack_CCNI_Blue_Gene

the use of LLNL RAIN/RAIN4 on 4341 (with comparison numbers for cdc6600) was benchmark that predated linpack
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006y.html#email790212
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006y.html#email790212b

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Is email dead? What do you think?

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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler)
Date: 05 Mar, 2011
Subject: Is email dead? What do you think?
Blog: Greater IBM
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#2 Is email dead? What do you think?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#4 Is email dead? What do you think?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#5 Is email dead? What do you think?

long ago and far away, my wife had been con'ed into going to POK to be in charge of (mainframe) loosely-coupled (cluster) architecture, where she created peer-coupled shared data architecture ... some past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#shareddata

there was very little uptake, except for IMS hotstandby, until sysplex (and parallel sysplex). there were also skirmishes with communication group over use of SNA. There would be temporary truces allowing she could use anything within the wall of the datacenter ... but communication group "owned" everything that crossed datacenter walls.

in the early 80s, communication group provided big boost to emerging pc market with 3270 terminal emulation, for which they eventually had a large install base.

in the late 80s, client/server was moving past terminal emulation paradigm and the communication group was doing lots of stuff trying to protect their install base (in addition to all the mis-information regarding SNA applicability for various things).

see upthread reference to talk from disk division about communication group was going to be responsible for the demise of the disk division
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#48 Is email dead? What do you think?
... other past posts:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#emulation

during the period (in addition to nsfnet backbone & supercomputer centers stuff), we had come up with 3-tier network architecture, it had been written into large federal secure campus network response and we were out pitching to corporate executives ... taking lots of hits from communication group (given they were trying to suppress even 2-tier) and/or T/R forces. misc. past posts:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#3tier

pieces from '88 3-tier executive presentation:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/96.html#16
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/96.html#17

Part of the above was significant superiority of enet over 16mbit t/r. The new almaden research bldg had extensive wiring ... including cat5 for t/r. However, they fairly quickly found out that enet over cat5 had better aggregate LAN thruput and lower latency than 16mbit t/r. Somebody from Dallas E&S had done a paper comparing 16mbit t/r & enet ... but as close as I could tell, it was using early 3mbit t/r before cdma standard. '88 acm sigcomm had some studies showing worst case enet was 8.5mbit sustain effective thruput with 30-40 stations in low-level device driver loop constantly broadcasting minimum sized packets (much better than 16mbit t/r).

The other part was terminal emulation paradigm design point had 16mbit t/r per card thruput based on 300+ stations sharing the bandwidth. The RS6000 group had been ordered they could only use PS2 cards (and not do their own, not just t/r, but everything). The PS2 16mbit t/r card had lower per card thruput than their custom 4mbit t/r card done for the PC/RT.

from IBM jargon:
TOOLS disk - n. A disk of shared data (especially of programs or computer conferences) that is maintained automatically by the TOOLS and TOOLSRUN programs. TOOLS was created in 1981, and now maintains tens of thousands of disks of data in IBM, mostly shared and copied across VNET (q.v.).

... snip ...

somewhat in the wake of the various taskforces that investigated me for online computer conferencing.

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Mainframe Hall of Frame. List of influential mainframers thoughout history

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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler)
Date: 05 Mar, 2011
Subject: Mainframe Hall of Frame. List of influential mainframers thoughout history
Blog: Greater IBM
Mainframe Hall of Frame. List of influential mainframers thoughout history
http://www.mainframezone.com/static/mainframe-hall-of-fame/

the above mentions eagle ... eagle is also mentioned in the system/r reunion
http://www.mcjones.org/System_R

there was technology transfer from bldg. 28 to Endicott for SQL/DS ... mentioned in MIP Envy
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007d.html#email800920

one of the people mentioned in this jan92 meeting in Ellison's conference room claimed to have handled the majority of tech transfer of SQL/DS back to STL for DB2
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/95.html#13

System/R reunion discussion of SQL/DS mentions that massive EAGLE project in STL kept attention away from RDBMS ... allowing System/R to get out as SQL/DS
http://www.mcjones.org/System_R/SQL_Reunion_95/sqlr95-SQL_DS.html

quote from above:
The surprise of the MVS project was that it happened faster than I thought it would. In other words, Plan A collapsed, all right? Eagle collapsed, and all of a sudden, everyone turned to us and said, "OK, when can you ship this database product?" [laughter] And that's when we had to make some fairly hasty, difficult decisions on ...

... snip ...

rather than Eagle evolves into DB2, after Eagle collapses, the System/R group is asked if they could do System/R for MVS (aka DB2). At least part of that involves transfer of SQL/DS technology back to STL (according to Oracle executive that had been in STL and said he was responsible for the work).

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Sabre; The First Online Reservation System

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: Sabre; The First Online Reservation System
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2011 11:38:11 -0500
Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> writes:
It became ACP and then TPF. I believe it's now used for a lot of other high-volume simple-transaction systems like credit card processing.

Someone was nice enough to send me the reference for "Sabretalk", a PL/I-derived language used for writing transactions for the Sabre system:
(http://home.roadrunner.com/~pflass/PLI/Sabretalk_Reference_Guide.pdf)

I think it's still used, but apparently is now being replaced by C. Information on Sabre/TPF/ACP is a little sparse on the web.


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#14 Sabre; The First Online Reservation System

somewhere around 1980, it was renamed TPF because it was being used for things other than the airlines.

It was ACP that was the example that put the nail in FS coffin, the example of FS machine built from fastest available technology (370/195) would run software the thruput of 370/145 (30 times slowdown) was ACP ... at the time Eastern was running it on 370/195 ... and it was projected that running ACP on FS machine made from the exact same 195 circuits ... the thruput would drop to that of running ACP on 370/145.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#17 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company

ACP/TPF operation also gave 3081 huge headaches ... recently posted old email
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#email820820
and
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#email830123

3081k doubled processor cache size of 3081d given possibly 1/4th-1/3rd improvement (for things that had high cache miss ratio) ... TPF improving from 20% slower than 3033 (on 3081d) to about the same as 3033 (on 3081). Part of the issue was that TPF didn't have multiprocessor support and so only ran using single CPU. 308x was never designed to have single processor machine. Eventually they did come out with 3083 (single processor) ... which was 3081 with one processor removed (the problem was everything was arrainged with processor1 in the middle of the cabinet made the cabinet dangerously top-heavy, things had to be configured to move processor0 from the top of the cabinet to the middle). more discussion in this recent post
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#49 VM/370 3081

Later, my wife did short stint as chief architect for Amadeus (taking the Eastern reservation system as basis for new "european" reservation system). She had come down of the side selecting x.25 for the communication interface ... which had the SNA forces getting her removed. It didn't do much good since Amadeus went with x.25 anyway. recent refs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#17 Looking for a real Fortran-66 compatible PC compiler (CP/M or DOS or Windows, doesn't matter)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#41 Looking for a real Fortran-66 compatible PC compiler (CP/M or DOS or Windows, doesn't matter)

Then in the mid-90s, I was asked into the largest such airline reservation system ... looking at some of the problems of features ... they had ten "impossible" things ... somewhat related to ACP/TPF being such fast (simple) implementation ... that it made it difficult to do various things. Lots of complex data management was performed on MVS platform running DB2 ... and then periodically the reservation system was shutdown and TPF data infrastructures rebuilt from the DB2 copy. This rebuild time frequently ran approx. a shift ... and was becoming more & more difficult as service went global and was expected to be 7x24. Old post about offspring with parttime job in college at air freight company ... which used airline res systems ... and it wasn't unusual for sunday rebuild downtime to overrun into 1st shift monday morning:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#42 Outsourcing your Computer Center to IBM ?

"routes" represented about 25% of the processor use ... and I redid "routes" (complete rewrite on different platform and using totally different approach). One of the issues was being able to drastically increase scaleup to handle all passengers for all flts in the world. Rough estimate that rewrite to handle that load with something like ten RS6000/580s. This is past refs about the rewrite mentioning xscale processor in smartphone has approximately that total processor MIP rate (ten rs6000/580s):
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#79 Happy DEC-10 Day
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#53 z9 / z10 instruction speed(s)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010j.html#52 Article says mainframe most cost-efficient platform

for little topic drift ... thread in (linkedin) "Greater IBM" on aggregating/clusters of processors:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#7 IBM Watson's Ancestors: A Look at Supercomputers of the Past
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#24 IBM Watson's Ancestors: A Look at Supercomputers of the Past
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#29 IBM Watson's Ancestors: A Look at Supercomputers of the Past
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#40 IBM Watson's Ancestors: A Look at Supercomputers of the Past

Sabre wiki page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabre_%28computer_system%29

reference
http://www.blackbeard.com/tpf/tpfscoop.htm

PARS wiki page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programmed_Airline_Reservations_System

generaic wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_reservations_system

not much at Amadeus wiki page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadeus_CRS

wiki ACP page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Airline_Control_Program

above also points to the IBM TPF web page
http://www-01.ibm.com/software/htp/tpf/

references Airline Control System (ALCS):
http://www-01.ibm.com/software/htp/tpf/alcs/index.html

the above also points to short PDF "The evolution of transaction processing to open standards" ... this is different to the ref at the "Jim Gray" celebration that his formalization of transaction semantics was basis of modern financial dataprocessing (providing auditors with higher level of assurance in computer records) ... past refs:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#34 American Airlines
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#62 Ransomware
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#70 Next Generation Security
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#95 Accidentally Deleted or Overwrote Files?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#97 We're losing the battle
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008p.html#27 Father Of Financial Dataprocessing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#39 repeat after me: RAID != backup
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#71 Barclays ATMs hit by computer fault
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#73 A Guide for Full Field Background Checks
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#41 Happy DEC-10 Day
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#14 Age
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#61 Oracle database design slowed Chase online banking fix
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#21 zLinux OR Linux on zEnterprise Blade Extension???
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#22 System R
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#23 zLinux OR Linux on zEnterprise Blade Extension???
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#85 Two terrific writers .. are going to write a book

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Andrew developments in Rochester

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: Andrew developments in Rochester
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2011 12:15:18 -0500
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
"Andrew" was from CMU (distributed filesystem, widgets, etc) as well as MACH (another UNIX-work alike, similar to UCLA LOCUS, but different) and Camelot (transaction processing).

IBM and DEC had jointly back MIT Athena to the tune of $25M each ... which produced X-windows, Kerberos, and some number of other things.

IBM had backed CMU Andrew to the tune of $50m. Later IBM provided initial funding for Camelot spinoff from CMU as Transarc ... and then later still, bought Transarc outright.


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#33 Andrew developments in Rochester

MACH was also used for NeXT ... and for later apple operating systems.

with the gov. & other legal action in the 60s ... there was unbundling and starting to charge for software ... misc. past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#unbundle

... as well as significant retrenchment of its activity at institutions of higher learning (helping groom the future generation of computer professionals).

along with the lifting of gov. restrictions in the 80s ... also saw resurgance of univerisity activity ... and the formation of "ACIS" with initial pool of $300M that was to be distributed to institutions of higher learning.

misc. past posts mentioning ACIS:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/98.html#35a Drive letters
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/98.html#37 What is MVS/ESA?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#64 Old naked woman ASCII art
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001f.html#1 Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003d.html#9 IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003h.html#52 Question about Unix "heritage"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003h.html#53 Question about Unix "heritage"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004n.html#19 RISCs too close to hardware?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004n.html#20 RISCs too close to hardware?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004n.html#30 First single chip 32-bit microprocessor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005j.html#26 IBM Plugs Big Iron to the College Crowd
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005q.html#49 What ever happened to Tandem and NonStop OS ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006b.html#8 Free to good home: IBM RT UNIX
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006u.html#56 Ranking of non-IBM mainframe builders?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#21 SNA/VTAM for NSFNET
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007.html#19 NSFNET (long post warning)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007c.html#14 How many 36-bit Unix ports in the old days?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008d.html#82 Migration from Mainframe to othre platforms - the othe bell?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#66 How did the monitor work under TOPS?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#18 Another one bites the dust
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009r.html#9 The 50th Anniversary of the Legendary IBM 1401
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#15 search engine history, was Happy DEC-10 Day
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010g.html#39 someone smarter than Dave Cutler
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010j.html#39 Friden Flexowriter equipment series
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#63 Big Iron — The Mainframe Story
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#36 TCM's Moguls documentary series
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#32 Colossal Cave Adventure in PL/I
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#52 A brief history of CMS/XA, part 1
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#55 Speed of Old Hard Disks
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#58 Other early NSFNET backbone
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#5 Early NSFNET backbone

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The first personal computer (PC)

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2011 13:49:38 -0500
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> writes:
And later than that the witch obsession ended up so bad that some of the town squares ended up with a considerable layer of human fat on the houses on the downwind side of the square, the result of burning so many people at the stake in the square.

my wife tells a story of uncle receiving solicitation for donation to salem witch burning memorial ... and writing back that the family had already contributed sufficiently (witches burned)

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The first personal computer (PC)

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2011 14:18:32 -0500
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> writes:
Anyone with even half a clue sites the power plant at the coal mine.

And moves the coal from the mine to the power plant using electrically powered loaders and conveyors, powered by electricity from the power plant.
http://www.superstock.com/stock-photos-images/1828R-64079


lots of them are near reliable supply of water. somewhat the sameplace that the mega datacenters have been going in (which need both the water as well as the power from the plants). water is also used for hydro-electric dams as well as the nuclear power plants.

columbia river has its share of hydro-electric and mega datacenters.

hydro
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dams_in_the_Columbia_River_watershed

one coal plant
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Washington_%28state%29_and_coal

then there is exporting coal to china:
http://www.climateactionprogramme.org/news/columbia_river_coal_export_facility_challenged_on_greenhouse_gases/

above mentions coal from power river basin in wyoming. the coal plants i've seen in the middle of nowhere in wyoming ... are at some water source (easier to transport coal to the water than water to the coal)

nuclear
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_Generating_Station
http://www.energy-northwest.com/generation/cgs/index.php

google on the columbia
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/14/technology/14search.html
more recent (with some analysis)
http://bandl.typepad.com/bandl/2009/11/where-should-you-locate-your-next-data-center.html

search engine also turned up this
http://www.itmanagement.com/features/columbia-river-security-risk-062507/

misc. past posts mentioning mega-datacenters:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008d.html#72 Price of CPU seconds
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#68 VMware Chief Says the OS Is History
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#79 Google Data Centers 'The Most Efficient In The World'
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008r.html#56 IBM drops Power7 drain in 'Blue Waters'
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#78 Entry point for a Mainframe?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010j.html#27 A "portable" hard disk
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010k.html#62 taking down the machine - z9 series
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#51 Mainframe Hacking -- Fact or Fiction
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010m.html#14 Facebook doubles the size of its first data center
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#3 When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd

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The first personal computer (PC)

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2011 16:04:51 -0500
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> writes:
Our hydro is basically mostly a pumped water system that does load balancing for the entire eastern grid as well as true hydro. Thats where most of the coal is too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowy_Mountains_Scheme


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#46 The first personal computer (PC)

grand coulee dam originally went in for flood control & irrigation (originally targeted for million acres) ... pumping water up into the "grand coulee" to flow down towards the basin ... but also provided electricity. later the 3rd power house was added as well as "reversable" pumps .... using excess electricity to "over" pump water into grand coulee during off-peak ... and then having the water flow back down during peak (312 mwatts):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Coulee_Dam

grand coulee currently listed as 7th largest (6,809mwatts) power plant (5th & 6th in the following are nuclear):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_power_stations_in_the_world

above gives broad range of power station types, both renewable and non-renewable.

Grand Coulee part of BPA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonneville_Power_Administration
previous post referenced this list
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroelectric_dams_on_the_Columbia_River

hydro-power wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroelectricity

above gives largest producers of hydro-power (as well as percent of contry's use) ... and projects currently under construction

another wiki page for hydro-power
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conventional_hydroelectric_power_stations

list of "pumped-storage" (larger than 1000 mwatts)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pumped-storage_hydroelectric_power_stations

grand coulee reversable pumps ... six of the 12 irregation pumps are reversable and capable of 312 mwatts.
http://www.usbr.gov/newsroom/newsrelease/detail.cfm?RecordID=26083

a few past posts mentioning grand coulee
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002n.html#43 VR vs. Portable Computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003d.html#32 IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#14 Geothermal was: VLIW pre-history
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008e.html#7 was: 1975 movie "Three Days of the Condor" tech stuff
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#68 VMware Chief Says the OS Is History
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010j.html#13 A "portable" hard disk
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010j.html#66 A "portable" hard disk

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The first personal computer (PC)

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2011 16:09:36 -0500
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> writes:
Was it true or just a great put down ?

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#45 The first personal computer (PC)

wife's uncle got on their mailing because he was listed as descendant (where that list came from, don't know).

salem witch trials don't list burnings ... death by hangings and "pressings".

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If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2011 16:34:46 -0500
Charles Richmond <frizzle@tx.rr.com> writes:
Sometimes the better part of valor is just to keep your mouth shut!!! :-) I learned that the hard way, like I learn most things I guess. Sometimes I thought I was the only one seeing a certain thing, and I would point the thing out to everyone. Then I found out that *everyone* saw it, but had the good sense to keep quiet about it. :-(

recent mention of "career enhancing" activity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#14 IBM Future System
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#18 IBM Future System
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#9 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#19 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#20 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#87 A History of VM Performance
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#3 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#12 I actually miss working at IBM

recent references to mentioning MVS 15min MTBF (attempting to use it in the bldg. 14 disk development lab) and the POK favorite son operating system organization taking offense
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#23 zLinux OR Linux on zEnterprise Blade Extension???
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#43 CKD DASD
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#45 CKD DASD
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#15 Mainframe Slang terms

somewhat along the lines about the corporation became one of sycophancy and make no waves with the demise of FS ... lots of higher level technical promotions and awards became extremely sensitive to corporate politics (even if I hadn't otherwise, already managed to offend various parties).
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001f.html#33 IBM's "VM for the PC" c.1984?

as mentioned in some of the above ... when POK originally contacted me about the MVS 15min MTBF ... I had initially thot it was to discuss how to fix the problems, but it turned out they wanted to make sure I never mentioned it again (and appropriately punished and if possible, gotten rid of) ... perception was much more important than substance; again Boyd's career choice To Be or To Do.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000e.html#35 War, Chaos, & Business (web site), or Col John Boyd

misc. past posts mentioning getting to play disk engineer in bldgs 14&15:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#disk

bldgs. 14&15 still show in plant site satellite photo (many others having been torn down).

later, getting close to 3380 first-customer-ship, product test ran (injected typical) error regression bucket against MVS ... and found that MVS system failed in all cases (requiring reboot/re-ipl) and 2/3rds of the cases, there was no indication of what caused the failure ... by then, there wasn't much reason to not send out note about MVS failing error regression tests ... old email in this post:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007.html#2 The Elements of Programming Style

other posts referencing the above:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007.html#37 How many 36-bit Unix ports in the old days?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007.html#39 Just another example of mainframe costs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007.html#44 vm/sp1
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#25 What is "command reject" trying to tell me?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#28 What is "command reject" trying to tell me?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#29 was: How many 36-bit Unix ports in the old days?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007c.html#42 Keep VM 24X7 365 days
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007e.html#33 IBM S/360 series operating systems history
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007e.html#48 time spent/day on a computer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#58 3350 failures
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007l.html#56 Scholars needed to build a computer history bibliography
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008.html#27 Tap and faucet and spellcheckers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008r.html#37 What if the computers went back to the '70s too?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#17 Broken hardware was Re: Broken Brancher
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010m.html#80 3270 Emulator Software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#36 CKD DASD

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Itanium at ISSCC

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: Itanium at ISSCC
Newsgroups: comp.arch
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2011 20:55:51 -0500
Robert Myers <rbmyersusa@gmail.com> writes:
The Air Force (or the CIA) has been crashing UAV's at such an alarming rate that they have finally begun subjecting them to the same kind of testing that human-occupied aircraft are subjected to. I wouldn't credit the Air Force with an excess of caution or foresight.

old post
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#16 USAF officers slammed for pranging Predators on manual

USAF officers slammed for pranging Predators on manual; 'Xbox flyer' sergeants + autopilots do better
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/29/young_usaf_predator_pilot_officer_slam/

from the above:
A senior Pentagon official has delivered a stinging attack on the US Air Force, saying that its philosophy of using fully qualified human pilots to handle unmanned aircraft at all times has resulted in unnecessary, expensive crashes. By contrast, US Army drones with auto-landing equipment and cheaply-trained operators have an enviable record

... snip ...

... and ...
The US Army has a differing philosophy: it's "Sky Warrior" variant of the Predator is intended to land itself automatically, and the present-day Shadow has such kit already. Army drones are controlled by noncomissioned tech specialists who, while fully trained and qualified for their job, have no airborne stick time in regular aircraft. They are always in theatre with the rest of the troops.

... snip ...

General Atomics MQ-1C Grey Eagle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_MQ-1C_Grey_Eagle
Sky-Warrior ERMP UAV System
http://www.defense-update.com/products/w/warriorUAV.htm

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The first personal computer (PC)

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2011 22:19:10 -0500
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
numerous writeups just have a huge number with very large vested interest in keeping it going ... somewhat the theme of the "Why Isn't Wall Street in Jail?" and several other articles ... think of the bubble akin to a form of ponzi scheme with significant portion of manhatten playing in it.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#28 The first personal computer (PC)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#34 The first personal computer (PC)

Four time bombs that will blow up Wall Street
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/four-time-bombs-that-will-blow-up-wall-street-2011-03-01

from above:
We could have jailed 'just one' of them back then, when they were down for the count. Instead, we bailed them out! Made them richer. Gave them $13.7 trillion, loans, credits, cash, asset buyouts. Gave them keys to the Treasury. They didn't just recover, they 'ran the tables,' to use a blackjack/pool metaphor. Now Wall Street dictators have absolute power, ruling Washington, America, you and me.

... snip ...

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Maybe off topic

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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Subject: Re: Maybe off topic
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Date: 7 Mar 2011 07:32:49 -0800
ps2os2@YAHOO.COM (Ed Gould) writes:
I was reading some article today about IBM & DB2 today. I think it said something like DB2 was IBM's real first try into relational databases. My memory is foggy here something in the back of my mind says that is not quite correct. Back in the 70's (?) I vaguely remember IBM having a FDP(?) that claimed to do relational database. By slim memory says it may have been VM based. I do remember it had a 4 page white sales type paper(IUP?). No name comes up. Can anyone supply me with a product name? I do recall something like this as we were looking at a product and the show stopper was that it needed VM.

system/r ... san jose research, bldg. 28. work was for vm/cms on the group's 370/145.

there was then technology transfer to endicott for sql/ds product for vm, vs1 & dos/vs. some past posts about system/r
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#systemr

when "eagle" effort "crashed" in STL, the system/r group was asked how fast they could turn out something for MVS (aka DB2).

System/R reunion discussion of SQL/DS mentions that massive EAGLE project in STL kept attention away from RDBMS ... allowing System/R to get out as SQL/DS
http://www.mcjones.org/System_R/SQL_Reunion_95/sqlr95-SQL_DS.html

quote from above:
The surprise of the MVS project was that it happened faster than I thought it would. In other words, Plan A collapsed, all right? Eagle collapsed, and all of a sudden, everyone turned to us and said, "OK, when can you ship this database product?" [laughter] And that's when we had to make some fairly hasty, difficult decisions on ...

... snip ...

lots more in the System/R 1995 reunion
http://www.mcjones.org/System_R

some mention in Jim's departing "MIP Envy":
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007d.html#email800920

slightly later 24sep80 version here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20081115000000*/http://research.microsoft.com/~gray//papers/CritiqueOfIBM%27sCSResearch.doc

Oracle executive mentioned in this Jan1992 meeting claimed (when he was at STL) to have handled the SQL/DS tech. transfer from Endicott back to STL for (MVS) DB2
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/95.html#13

past posts about Jim palming off bunch of stuff on me when he was departing for Tandem ... including consulting with the IMS group and customers running System/R
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007.html#email801006
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007.html#email801016

some also discussed at celebration held for Jim at Berkeley
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#32 A Tribute to Jim Gray: Sometimes Nice Guys Do Finish First
audio from the celebration
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#50 Microsoft versus Digital Equipment Corporation

sql/ds mentioned here ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_SQL/DS
sql/ds redbook
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/gg244047.html
and sql/ds "rebranded" here
http://www-01.ibm.com/software/data/db2/vse-vm/

as referenced above ... the "official" DBMS effort in STL was called "EAGLE", but when that crashed ... then the system/r group was asked how fast could a RDBMS be turned out for MVS. recent post/mention in (linkedin) Greater IBM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#42 Mainframe Hall of Frame. List of influential mainframers thoughout history

as an aside ... the first commercial offering of Codd's relational (worked at research in bldg. 28)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_F._Codd

was on Multics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multics_Relational_Data_Store
more on MRDS from the System/R reunion:
http://www.mcjones.org/System_R/mrds.html

RDBMS wiki page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relational_database_management_system

trivia ... multics was on 5th flr of 545 tech sq. The science center that did virtual machines, cp67/cms, etc ... was on 4th flr of 545 tech sq. When the cp67 group split off from the science center, they took over the Boston Programming Center on the 3rd flr (morphing into the vm370 development group). The development group outgrew the space on the 3rd flr and moved out to the empty SBC bldg. (vacated in the legal actions where IBM transferred SBC to CDC) in Burlington Mall. misc. past posts mentioning 545 tech. sq
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech

in the wake of demise of Future System project ... misc. past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys

there was mad rush to get products back into the 370 (hardware & software) product pipeline ... having been killed off during the FS period. Part of that was the head of POK managed to convince the corporation to kill-off VM370 Burlington Mall development group, becuase he needed to transfer all the people to POK for MVS/XA development (or otherwise he couldn't meet the ship schedule). Endicott managed to save the vm370 product mission, but had to recreate a development group from scratch.

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3270 Terminal

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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler)
Date: 07 Mar, 2011
Subject: 3270 Terminal
Blog: IBM Historic Computing
from ibm jargon:
bad response - n. A delay in the response time to a trivial request of a computer that is longer than two tenths of one second. In the 1970s, IBM 3277 display terminals attached to quite small System/360 machines could service up to 19 interruptions every second from a user I measured it myself. Today, this kind of response time is considered impossible or unachievable, even though work by Doherty, Thadhani, and others has shown that human productivity and satisfaction are almost linearly inversely proportional to computer response time. It is hoped (but not expected) that the definition of Bad Response will drop below one tenth of a second by 1990.

... snip ...

old post about 3278-terminal/3274-controller introducing significantly worse response (compared to 3277/3272)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001m.html#19 3270 protocol

above mentions large research institution on the east coast being quite proud of having .25sec avg. response ... supposedly much better than research institution on the west coast with similar workload and hardware that only had avg. response of .11sec.

above also mentions TSO response was so bat that 3278/3274 difference wasn't noticed by TSO users.

3278/3274 moved lots of electronics from terminal back into the controller (compared to 3277/3272, reducing manufacturing costs) resulting in worse performance (lots more protocol chatter over the coax). this shows up later in 3278 terminal emulation having much lower throughput than 3277 terminal emulation.

complaints to organization responsible for 3278/3274 eventually resulted in the response that 3278 were designed for data entry, not interactive computing.

as mentioned, the numbers are only for local channel attach controllers ... remote 3270 and SNA introduces significant more delays.

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Maybe off topic

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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Subject: Re: Maybe off topic
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Date: 8 Mar 2011 07:38:36 -0800
lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes:
System/R reunion discussion of SQL/DS mentions that massive EAGLE project in STL kept attention away from RDBMS ... allowing System/R to get out as SQL/DS
http://www.mcjones.org/System_R/SQL_Reunion_95/sqlr95-SQL_DS.html

quote from above:

The surprise of the MVS project was that it happened faster than I thought it would. In other words, Plan A collapsed, all right? Eagle collapsed, and all of a sudden, everyone turned to us and said, "OK, when can you ship this database product?" [laughter] And that's when we had to make some fairly hasty, difficult decisions on ...

... snip ...


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#52 Maybe off topic

more on crash of Eagle ... and question about how fast a system/r could be released on MVS (aka DB2)
http://www.mcjones.org/System_R/SQL_Reunion_95/sqlr95-DB2.html

above mentions that marketing quy was looking at a poster for the original Santa Teresa lab announcement ... with an eagle soaring above the building ... and decided on EAGLE for the grand MVS DBMS effort.

I was in DC with offspring for vacation the week before the Air & Space museum opened (*AND* also the week before STL was to be opened). At that time, STL was going to be called Coyote lab (the closest post office and the name of the valley). That week a working ladies organization called "Coyote" was demonstrating on the steps of the capital (and getting lots of press) ... which appeared to prompt quick revision of the lab's name from Coyote to Santa Teresa (nearby cross-road, lab has since been renamed Silicon Valley lab).

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Maybe off topic

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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Subject: Re: Maybe off topic
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Date: 8 Mar 2011 12:12:43 -0800
HMerritt@JACKHENRY.COM (Hal Merritt) writes:
I seem to recall working on a product called SLR (Service Level Reporter). My (very poor) memory is of databases that looked a lot like those later introduced by DB2.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#52 Maybe off topic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#54 Maybe off topic

dating back before sql (originally on vm370) were some 4th generation languages that were offered by virtual machine based commercial service bureaus (initially late 60s, cp67 and later vm370) ... RAMIS, NOMAD, FOCUS (in some cases developed as part of competition between different virtual machine based commercial service bureaus)

RAMIS wiki page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramis_Software
NOMAD wiki page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomad_software
FOCUS wiki page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOCUS
RAMIS and NOMAD reference at computer history museum
http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/accession/102658182
Computer History Museum PDF file:
http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/text/Oral_History/RAMIS_and_NOMAD/RAMIS_and_NOMAD.National_CSS.oral_history.2005.102658182.pdf
RAMIS & FOCUS ... brief history of 4th gen languages:
http://ibmmainframes.com/about5018.html
The Wholly Unofficial NOMAD Website
http://www.decosta.com/Nomad/

also in the time-frame of SQL/RDBMS being done at SJR (research on the west coast) there was query-by-example being done at YKT (research on the east coast) ... old email about QBE presentation at SJR (by "Father of QBE, Arch-enemy of System R"):
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002e.html#email800310
in this old post
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002e.html#44 SQL wildcard origins?
QBE wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Query_by_Example

then there is this on "pre-history" (also from the 95 reunion):
http://www.mcjones.org/System_R/SQL_Reunion_95/sqlr95-Prehisto.html

Ingres has gone thru multiple incarnations ... we worked with them in the 90s as part of our high-availability, cluster operation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingres_%28database%29

in conjunction with HA/CMP product:
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/clresctr/vxrx/topic/com.ibm.cluster.hacmp.doc/hacmpbooks.html
past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hacmp

mention that original INGRES language was QUEL
http://www.mcjones.org/System_R/SQL_Reunion_95/sqlr95-Teradata.html

above also mentions that a spinoff from INGRES project was Britton-Lee ... including Bob Epstien as CTO. When Bob left for Teradata (and then later founded Sybase), there was lots of recruiting going on around bldg28/SJR (usually across the street from the plant site) for replacement for Bob. Of course not nearly on the scale of Shugart recruiting disk engineers
http://www.businessweek.com/archives/1992/b329273.arc.htm
http://www.mdhc.scu.edu/100th/Progress/Shugart/shugart.html

Sybase wiki ... we also worked with in porting to HA/CMP cluster mode:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybase

Above mentions Sybase had a deal with Microsoft to remarket as "SQL Server" (... until version 4.9, Sybase and Microsoft SQL Server were virtually identical)

Oracle wiki page (started out as "SDL", Oracle name came from CIA-funded project that Ellison had worked on at Ampex) ... we also worked with (RDBMS) Oracle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_Database
as referenced in this post about old Jan92 meeting in Ellison's conference room
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/95.html#13

Oracle wiki mentions it was the first commercially available SQL-based RDBMS (1979) ... as opposed to first commercial RDBMS (Multics 1976).
http://www.mcjones.org/System_R/mrds.htm

The other major RDBMS player from the period (that we worked with in HA/CMP) was Informix (before IBM bought them)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Informix

DB2 was rather late RDBMS to ship ... largely because EAGLE was the MVS strategic DBMS ... and it was only after EAGLE effort crashed was there the rush to get System/R (and SQL/DS) over to MVS for DB2. DB2 1983:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_DB2

note that in 1989 ... there was work on totally different DB2 ... targeted for OS2.

past posts mentioning System/R
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#systemr

also past posts getting to play disk engineer in bldgs14&15
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#disk

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Early RDBMS database

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Early RDBMS database
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 16:09:02 -0500
somewhat long-winded thread from ibm-main mailing list ... from google archive:
http://groups.google.com/group/bit.listserv.ibm-main/browse_thread/thread/a0753284b40a2ae6#

also pieces archived:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#52
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#54
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#55

past posts mentioning original SQL/RDBMS, System/R
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#systemr

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Rise of the Internet

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Rise of the Internet
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 16:16:10 -0500
Rise of the Internet
http://www.ibm.com/ibm100/us/en/icons/internetrise/

TCP/IP is the technology basis for the modern internet, NSFNET backbone was the operational basis for the modern internet, and CIX was the business basis for the modern internet.

old email on the subject from the period
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#nsfnet

pieces of old posts (here in afc) on internet (from '99 & '00)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/internet.htm

misc. past posts mentioning nsfnet
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#nsfnet

misc. past posts mentioning interenet
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#internet

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IBM and the Computer Revolution

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: IBM and the Computer Revolution
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 16:58:22 -0500
"Dave Wade" <dave.g4ugm@gmail.com> writes:
If by "advanced" you mean "tricky to install and tempermental to configure" then it was more advanced than Win95. Despite being called "connect" OS2/Warp Connect was lacking in LAN TCP/IP. To get that cost more than the base o/s. It was still embedded in the "Mainframe" world of software pricing...

"Mainframe" pricing came about from the legal actions in late 60s that resulted in 23jun69 unbundling announcement that started to charge for software (and other things) ... misc. past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#unbundle

however, there was also quite a bit of SNA & the communication lingering about ... while there is this reference to "Rise of the Internet"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#57 Rise of the Internet
and
http://www.ibm.com/ibm100/us/en/icons/internetrise

there is also this old email regarding significant misinformation pushing sna/vtam for NSFNET backbone
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#email870109
recent reference in this (linkedin) Greater IBM thread
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#4 Is email dead? What do you think?

also recent this reference about PS2 (t/r) LAN cards being oriented towards (SNA) terminal emulation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#41 Is email dead? What do you think?

aka there was lot of OS2 & PS2 still being targeted for corporate customers.

at the time of spring '96 m'soft MDC at Moscone ... m'soft had hired some number of internet "old-timers" ... who were at the show ... big move from closed (small, safe, corporate) LAN networks ... to Internet ... although the constant subtheme during the show was "protect your investment" ... basically all the BASIC-based (& visual basic) paradigm would continued to be supported in the Internet environment (resulting in big uptick in various kinds of exploits related to compromising those scripts).

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The first personal computer (PC)

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english, alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 17:48:10 -0500
The PC; Personal Computing Comes of Age
http://www.ibm.com/ibm100/us/en/icons/personalcomputer/

from above:
It wasn't the first personal computer. Nor was it the most advanced. But shortly after the IBM (R) Personal Computer arrived in 1981, it became the leading platform in the revolution that brought computing out of the glass house and into daily life

... snip ...

precursor to the 5150 was the 5100 (done at palo alto science center)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_5100

PALM processor providing subset of 360
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PALM_processor

enabled use of APLSV (apl shared variable).

earlier, cambridge science center had ported apl\360 to cp67 cms for cms\apl. there was work to adapt the apl storage management to a (large) virtual paged environment. cms\apl also provided interfaces to cms system services ... including file i/o. this allowed some large, "real world" applications to be done ... one such was that the business people in corporate hdqtrs (armonk) loaded the most holy of corporate assets (customer details) on the cambridge 360/67 cp67 service and used the system remotely in armonk to do business planning written in apl.

however, cambridge took a lot of heat from the apl "purests" claiming that the implementation of cms system function had violated apl paradigm. supposedly "shared variable" was replacement that implemented access to system services consistent with apl paradigm.

misc. past posts mentioning cambridge science center
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech

note that palo alto science center also did "apl\cms" for vm370 along with the 370/145 APL microcode assist.

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Maybe off topic

From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Subject: Re: Maybe off topic
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Date: 9 Mar 2011 08:14:42 -0800
ps2os2@YAHOO.COM (Ed Gould) writes:
Thanks...

My memory seemed too jump when I saw QBE... I think that was it. THE BIG block letters on the screen were QBE.

I do not know How I ever forgot those initials but I did. Now onto QBE. Was it iBM code or an IUP or ... ????. A quick google says it was written by IBM.

Ed


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#52 Maybe off topic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#54 Maybe off topic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#55 Maybe off topic

"Shoot-out at the OK Corral" ... (between QBE & SQL):
http://www.mcjones.org/System_R/SQL_Reunion_95/sqlr95-Shoot-ou.html

from above (QBE being in the field as an IUP)
And there were people in the field, and they loved it. They had stories of tape librarians who'd automated their tape library with it, and Gene Trivett was going around and fixing some of the performance problems, and it was popping up all over the planet. So it had a very loyal following. It was obvious to everybody that this did something wonderful. That this was an end-user program. So then the question became, "So why don't we cancel System R?" or "Why don't we grow this thing?"

... snip ...

a little later on in above:
I don't have the exact date, but around 1978, right? When did the actual shoot-out occur? 1978? Gomory asked Dick Case to do a review of the work. Dick Case included Ashok Chandra, who currently runs the Computer Science Department - he's the latest version of Frank King - and one other person, who were all disinterested people, but were technically capable. They went to Yorktown and learned all about QBE, and then they came to San Jose to learn all about System R, and I gave them my long lecture about how the lock manager works and how Compare-and-Swap could do locking, and we did it all right, and we knew how to do Compare-and-Swap-Double. Dick Case was really impressed, because he's probably the architect of Compare-and-Swap.

... snip ...

as I've posted before, compare&swap was invented by charlie at the cambridge science center working on fine-grain multiprocessor locking for cp67 (compare-and-swap was chosen because "CAS" are charlie's initials). we tried to get "CAS" into 370, but were rebuffed because the POK favorite son operating system people claimed that test&set was more than adequate. The challenge given us by the owners of 370 architecture was to come up with uses other than kernel multiprocessing. Thus was born were the uses for application multithreaded operation, examples that still appear in principles of operation. misc. past posts mentioning multiprocessor support &/or compare&swap
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#smp

some more QBE in discussion about VS/QUERY (QMF):
http://www.mcjones.org/System_R/SQL_Reunion_95/sqlr95-VS_QUERY.html

for other topic drift:
http://www.mcjones.org/System_R/SQL_Reunion_95/sqlr95-Prehisto.html

above mentions a project at cambridge science center. one of the people working on the project was the "L" ... in "GML" which was invented at CSC in 1969. In the late '70s, "GML" morphs into ISO standard as "SGML" ... and then in the late '80s, "SGML" morphs into "HTML". misc. past posts mentioning gml, sgml, html, etc
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#sgml

"L" transfers from CSC to SJR ... shortly after I did. misc. past posts mentioning cambridge science center, 4th flr, 545 tech sq
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech

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End of an era

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: End of an era
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 18:42:59 -0500
Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> writes:
Last mission for Discovery; there are still two remaining missions (STS- 134 with Endeavour and STS-135 with Atlantis):

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/shuttlemissions/


also
http://www.space.com/11080-space-shuttle-discovery-final-landing.html
and
http://www.space.com/10937-space-shuttle-discovery-final-launch-preview.html

we were in VIP viewing stands for the first launch ... one of the people that walked on the moon was also in the stands (I think he was with some lockheed executives).
http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/missions/41-d/mission-41-d.html

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End of an era

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: End of an era
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 18:52:00 -0500
Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> writes:
In a way it's a relief, they should never have flown those things. Supposedly reusable, they had to be rebuilt after each flight, mainly because they cheapened the design after approval.

there was also the explosion. afterwards there was a parody written about the "o-rings" ... the queen was lobbied by somebody in her court that columbus' ships should be built in the mountains where the trees were ... rather than lugging the timber to the harbor and building the ships there. because the ships were built in the mountains, they had to be cut into three sections for transport to the harbor and then glued back together ... before sailing across the ocean to discover america.

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The first personal computer (PC)

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english, alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 19:32:07 -0500
the Omrud <usenet.omrud@gmail.com> writes:
The read/write heads were fairly large, and when the machine had to swap some of its operating system out to the drive to make room for a large program (48K words of memory in that machine), the heads would fly back and forth with terrifying speed. You could see all this happening because both the lid of the drive was made of clear perspex. The flying heads set up a vibration in the drive and if you were unlucky the drive would start to walk across the floor. The only way to stop it was to damp the vibrations, and the simplest way to do that was to sit on the drive.

winchester 30-30 significantly reduced mass of the heads allowing heads to land on surface (eliminating expensive retraction hardware)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_IBM_disk_storage

ibm archive mention 3340
http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/storage/storage_3340.html

3340 lighter heads could (also) ride closer to disk surface
http://onlinebackupfree.com/2010/04/history-of-hard-disk-drives/

past posts mentioning getting to play disk engineer in bldgs. 14&15
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#disk

western digital acquiring hitachi global storage ... including old ibm plant site:
http://www.hitachigst.com/press-room/2011/western-digital-to-acquire-hitachi-global-storage-technologies

recent past posts mentioning "air bearing" software simulation for design of newer ("thin-film", 3370) heads
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#36 CKD DASD
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#57 Speed of Old Hard Disks
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#60 Speed of Old Hard Disks
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#26 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company

3370
http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/storage/storage_3370.html

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The first personal computer (PC)

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 19:57:17 -0500
Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> writes:
AFAIK, he may have his right to vote taken away, but I don't see any impediment to being elected to office for being a felon. IANAL.

there have been some claims that the institution with the highest percentage of convicted felons is congress (somewhat complimented the claims that it is the most corrupt institution on the planet).

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IBM100 - Rise of the Internet

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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler)
Date: 09 Mar, 2011
Subject: IBM100 - Rise of the Internet
Blog: Greater IBM
IBM100 - Rise of the Internet
http://www.ibm.com/ibm100/us/en/icons/internetrise

comment was tcpip is the technology basis for the modern internet ... and nsfnet backbone was the operational basis for the modern internet (and cix was the business basis for the modern internet). Note that ARPANET was a homogeneous network (not internetworking) suffering some of the same deficiencies of SNA/VTAM where there would be outages to have synchronized updates of all the IMPs (somewhat akin to large SNA customers of the period requiring synchronized updates of all their 3705s)

bits and pieces of posts from decade ago discussing '82 (ibm) sjr gateway into csnet ... and other old email about the great cutover to internetworking protocol on 1jan83:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/internet.htm

above also has extracts from various RFCs discussing design of tcp/ip. for other references ... my RFC index:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/rfcietff.htm

NSFNET backbone had relatively few nodes ... it operated as internetwork, internetworking networks.

The internal network was larger than the arpanet/internet from just about the beginning until sometime late '85 or early '86. misc. past posts mentioning internal network
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#internalnet

misc. past posts mentioning internet:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#internet

The issue was the NSFNET backbone being the operational basis for the modern internet ... wasn't that the backbone was so much of a network in itself ... but it was internetworking lots of networks.

The NSFNET backbone had something of multiple purpose ... being billed as both a high-speed network internerconnecting supercomputing centers as well as backbone internetworking different networks. We had been working with director of NSF back in the 84/85 period ... and several of the sites that likely become NSFNET backbone nodes. The various CSNET and other network nodes tended to be 56kbits. I had HSDT project inside IBM with T1 & faster speed links ... and was pitching the same for NSF. misc. past email mentioning HSDT
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#hsdt

Things were going fairly well until ran into various internal politics ... this is old email with a list of some of the participants for a meeting
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005d.html#email860501

Cornell, MIT, Stanford, Berkeley, Michigan, Minnesota, Illinois, UofTexas, Columbia, Delaware, Maryland, TUCC, Princeton, Penn State, Wisconsin, UCLA, NCAR, FERMI, and VLA.

Things started getting wierd and participants were being called up and being told the meetings were canceled. The director of NSF tried to help by writing a letter to the corporation copying the CEO ... but that just aggravated the internal politics. misc. old email mentioning high speed activity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#nsfnet

The NSFNET backbone program announcement (from old post)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002k.html#12

calling for a "T1" backbone (from example that I already had running). The winning bid actually put in 440kbit links ... then possibly trying to meet the letter of the RFP put in T1 trunks with telco multiplexors ... running multiple links per trunk. I sarcastically mentioned that they could possibly have called it a "T5" network since possibly some of their T1 trunks were in turn multiplexed over even faster trunks.

Other wierd stuff was that there was a lot of mis-information being spread around about the applicability of SNA/VTAM for the NSFNET backbone. Somebody on the sidelines collected a large amount of the email flowing on the topic and forwarded it to me ... partially included here
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#email870109

Besides doing HSDT & the NSF stuff ... I was also doing this thing with processor clusters ... this is old email about having to find a substitute to give presentation to director of NSF ...
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007d.html#email850315

I have quotes from catenet and other documents (i started shadowing all the documents when the server was still at sri ... and have complete set of ien & other) in the referenced collection
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/internet.htm

I still keep my shadow current with RFCs for my index
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/rfcietff.htm

and Postel use to let me do section 6.10 in STD1

the 1jan83 transition was approx 100 nodes (aka imps) and 255 hosts ... at a point when the internal network was getting ready to pass 1000 nodes. Old email about 1000 node globes
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006k.html#email830422

this past post
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006r.html#7

with piece of ARPANET newsletter figuring 100 nodes by 1983 (aka IMPs as opposed to hosts).

in the 90s, Postel had me give a talk at ISI ... with bunch of people invited from USC, on the difference between (internet) technology and operation/operational (why "tcp/ip" wasn't business critical & some compensating procedures) .. CATENET was ien-32 ... part included in old apr99 post ... mentioned here
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/internet.htm#5

for other random ... list of IEN documents authored by Postel


(IEN-177) Postel 24-Mar-81 Comments on Action Items
(IEN-175) Postel 13-Mar-81 Internet Meeting Notes --
(IEN-160) Postel 7-Nov-80 Internet Meeting Notes -
(IEN-149) Postel Jun-80 File Transfer Protocol Sp
(IEN-148) Postel Jun-80 Telnet Protocol Specifica
(IEN-145) Postel 29-May-80 Internet Meeting Notes -
(IEN-142) Postel Apr-80 Time Server
(IEN-134) Postel 29-Feb-80 Internet Meeting Notes -
(IEN-129) Postel Jan-80 DOD Standard Transmission
(IEN-128) Postel Jan-80 DOD Standard Internet Pro
(IEN-127) Postel Jan-80 Assigned Numbers
(IEN-124) Postel Dec-79 DOD Standard Transmission
(IEN-123) Postel Dec-79 DOD Standard Internet Pro
(IEN-121) Postel 25-Oct-79 Internet Meeting Notes -
(IEN-118) Postel Aug-79 Internet Protocol Handboo
(IEN-117) Postel Aug-79 Assigned Numbers
(IEN-116) Postel Aug-79 Name Server
(IEN-115) Postel Aug-79 Address Mappings
(IEN-114) Postel Aug-79 Protocol Options
(IEN-113) Postel Aug-79 Internet Message Protocol
(IEN-112) Postel Aug-79 Transmission Control Prot
(IEN-111) Postel Aug-79 Internet Protocol
(IEN-106) Postel 17-May-79 Internet Meeting Notes -
(IEN-98) Postel 3-May-79 TCP Implementation Status
(IEN-94) Postel 2-May-79 Internet Protocol Handbook
(IEN-93) Postel 3-May-79 Assigned Numbers
(IEN-92) Postel 2-May-79 Protocol Options
(IEN-91) Postel 2-May-79 Address Mappings
(IEN-89) Postel 2-May-79 Internet Name Server (Not
(IEN-88) Postel 2-May-79 User Datgram Protocol
(IEN-85) Postel Mar-79 Internet Message Protocol
(IEN-81) Postel Feb-79 Transmission Control Proto
(IEN-80) Postel Feb-79 Internet Datagram Protocol
(IEN-77) Postel 7-Feb-79 TCP Meeting Notes - 29 Jan
(IEN-76) Postel 7-Feb-79 Internet Meeting Notes - 2
(IEN-72) Postel 23-Jan-79 Multiplexing Protocol
(IEN-70) Postel 15-Dec-78 TCP Meeting Notes - 4 Dece
(IEN-69) Postel 9-Oct-78 TCP Meeting Notes - 18 & 1
(IEN-68) Postel 27-Jun-78 TCP Meeting Notes - 15 & 1
(IEN-67) Postel 8-Feb-78 TCP Meeting Notes - 30 & 3
(IEN-66) Postel 21-Oct-77 TCP Meeting Notes - 13 & 1
(IEN-65) Postel 5-Aug-78 TCP Meeting Notes - 14 & 1
(IEN-63) Postel 14-Nov-78 Internet Meeting Notes - 3
(IEN-61) Postel 27-Oct-78 Internet Name Server
(IEN-55) Postel Sep-78 Specification of Internetw
(IEN-54) Postel Sep-78 Internetwork Protocol Spec
(IEN-53) Postel 21-Aug-78 Internet Meeting Notes - 2
(IEN-44) Postel Jun-78 Latest Header Formats (Not
(IEN-41) Postel Jun-78 Internetwork Protocol Spec
(IEN-40) Postel Jun-78 Specification of Internetw
(IEN-39) Postel 17-May-78 NSW Data Representation (N
(IEN-38) Postel 17-May-78 NSW Transaction Protocol (
(IEN-28) Postel Feb-78 Draft Internetwork Protoco
(IEN-22) Postel 3-Feb-78 Internet Meeting Notes - 1
(IEN-16) Postel 20-May-77 Extensible Field Addressin
(IEN-3) Postel 18-Aug-77 Internet Meeting Notes - 15
(IEN-2) Postel 15-Aug-77 Comments on Internet Protoc

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IBM100 - Rise of the Internet

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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler)
Date: 10 Mar, 2011
Subject: IBM100 - Rise of the Internet
Blog: Greater IBM
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#65 IBM100 - Rise of the Internet

One of the operational issues that took quite awhile to evolve was monitoring, diagnostic, command&control.

BBN had quite a bit of stuff in the IMPs ... although in the early 80s there were jokes about possible scaling issues & the ARPANET 56kbit links periodically being saturated with IMP chatter about what they were doing (every IMP telling every other IMP what was going on). That didn't carry over into TCP/IP great switch-over on 1jan83.

Not all of what happened was strictly because of NSFNET backbone ... but was happening in approx the same time-frame. At Interop '88, I had an PC/RT in a non-IBM booth. Sunday, before the show started, the floor nets were crashing ... and diagnosing and coming up with work around continued most of the night, up until nearly the opening of the show on Monday. What was learned ... was included in RFC1122 (Requirements for Internet Hosts -- Communication Layers, still a standard) published a year later (Oct89). The booth I was in was located next to SUN booth & one of the things they were showcasing included Case & SNMP ... which still hadn't won the montoring/diagnostic wars. However, did get Case to come over and load/build SNMP on the PC/RT. misc. past posts mentioning interop '88
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#interop88

Besides the talk Postel had me do at ISI (somebody must have gotten all the USC networking graduate students ... maybe 80-100, to come over also ... since there was standing room only in the room), I later was one of the keynotes for similar talk at NASA dependable computing meeting
http://web.archive.org/web/20011004023230/http://www.hdcc.cs.cmu.edu/may01/index.html

The IBM100 article mentions the transition from T1 (which was something of fiction with what they actually put in) to T3. Possibly hoping to quiet my sniping, I was asked to be the "red team" for the T3 proposal ... and a couple dozen people from half dozen labs around the world were the "blue team". At the final review, I presented first followed by the blue team. 5-10 mins into the blue team presentation, the person running the review pounded on the table and said he would lay down in front of a garbage truck before he allowed any but the blue team proposal to go forward. I got up and walked out ... along with a few others.

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The first personal computer (PC)

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english, alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:33:24 -0500
Peter Moylan <invalid@peter.pmoylan.org.invalid> writes:
Youngsters these days don't know what it was like back then. They'll come up with singular data and think nothing of it.

there is recent ongoing thread over in comp.arch about applications being able to do a (non-privileged) cache-line purge for range of addresses. cp67/vm370 had something similar for doing (similar) "zeros page" for range of virtual addresses ... back in the days when processor real storage was smaller than today's processor caches.

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The first personal computer (PC)

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 09:03:53 -0500
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#28 The first personal computer (PC)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#34 The first personal computer (PC)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#51 The first personal computer (PC)

recent too big to fail & "risk adjusted capital" item
http://baselinescenario.com/2011/03/10/battle-of-the-banking-policy-heavyweights/

early part of the century, original Basel2 draft included new section for including qualitative measures (in addition to the quantitative measures) for determining risk adjusted capital ... somewhat akin to ISO9000 for senior bank executives (did they understand what they were doing). during the review process, the section was almost completely gutted.

misc. past posts mentioning basel2
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm28.htm#61 Is Basel 2 out...Basel 3 in?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005k.html#23 More on garbage
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005t.html#26 Dangerous Hardware
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008h.html#90 subprime write-down sweepstakes
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#30 subprime write-down sweepstakes
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#15 Blinkylights
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008o.html#39 The human plague
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#42 A great article was posted in another BI group: "To H*** with Business Intelligence: 40 Percent of Execs Trust Gut"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#65 the Federal Reserve, was Re: Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#53 Productivity And Bubbles
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#56 Productivity And Bubbles

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The first personal computer (PC)

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 09:52:36 -0500
jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
<grin> right. Now read speedo's reply. I figured that's (electricity) is what he would say. Lots of wiring would have to be done before any of those coal trains could get here. and that's also assuming that there is an army guarding all the copper.

there was article that Ford had been in electrical ... and defied popular wisdom and switched to get into gasoline engines. Early production just barely covered his costs and kept him in business. What supposedly made the Model-T was "French Steel" (new process developed in Europe that tripled the strength of steel) ... allowing the weight of the vehicle to be cut significantly (which played major role given how little power was available from gasoline engines of the period).

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The first personal computer (PC)

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 12:13:12 -0500
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
recent too big to fail & "risk adjusted capital" item
http://baselinescenario.com/2011/03/10/battle-of-the-banking-policy-heavyweights/

early part of the century, original Basel2 draft included new section for including qualitative measures (in addition to the quantitative measures) for determining risk adjusted capital ... somewhat akin to ISO9000 for senior bank executives (did they understand what they were doing). during the review process, the section was almost completely gutted.


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#28 The first personal computer (PC)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#34 The first personal computer (PC)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#51 The first personal computer (PC)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#68 The first personal computer (PC)

the Basel2 qualitative section would have introduced additional (risk) criteria for adjusting "risk adjusted capital" ... nearly all of the rest of the world were in favor of the additional provisions (some amount of the original wordsmithing from the NYFED & Europe institutions). it was primarily the too-big-to-fail US financial institutions responsible (during the review process) for minimizing both the risk criteria used for calculating risk adjusted capital ... as well as minimizing the actual amount required.

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Multiple Virtual Memory

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Multiple Virtual Memory
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 14:33:27 -0500
from ibm jargon:
MVM - n. Multiple Virtual Memory. The original name for MVS (q.v.), which fell foul of the fashion of changing memory to storage.

MVS - n. Multiple Virtual Storage, an alternate name for OS/VS2 (Release 2), and hence a direct descendent of OS. OS/VS2 (Release 1) was in fact the last release of OS MVT, to which paging had been added; it was known by some as SVS (Single Virtual Storage). MVS is one of the big two operating systems for System/370 computers (the other being VM (q.v.)). n. Man Versus System.


... snip ...

part of Future System effort was "single-level store"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-level_store

being able to treat everything as (virtual) address space ... which then shows up later in S/38 (and as/400 followon). It somewhat came from TSS/360 (the "other" operating system for 360/67) and other virtual memory systems from the 60s.

"single pool" of data was scaling issue for s/38 ... since there was scatter allocation across all disks ... the whole infrastructure had to be backedup and restored as single entity ... single disk failure required restoring the whole infrastructure. this problem was possibly major motivation for s/38 being early RAID adopter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System/38

During "single-level store" focus of Future System possibly contributed to the corporation moving to "storage" ... misc. past posts mentioning Future System
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys

Problems that TSS/360 had scaling its memory mapped filesystem ... didn't appear to have been corrected/improved with Future System. The FS convoluted hardware execution contributed to the analysis that applications running on FS machine built with fastest available technology (370/195) would have thruput of 370/145 (about factor of 30 times thruput hit). Combination of performance, extreme complexity, and many (complex) areas not even being fully defined ... all contributed to demise of FS.

single-level store webpage also references "IBM i" (current incarnation of as/400):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_i5/OS

and multics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multics

which was on 5th flr of 545 tech sq ... while science center was on 4th flr
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech

for whatever reason the single-level store wiki also mentions EROS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremely_Reliable_Operating_System

which is descendent of KeyKOS. Precursor to KeyKOS was GNOSIS developed for 370 at Tymshare. When MD bought Tymshare, I was brought in to evaluate GNOSIS as part of its spinning off to Key Logic.
http://cap-lore.com/CapTheory/upenn/

for additional drift, Coyotos is successor to EROS:
http://www.coyotos.org/history/index.html

above mentions person having done a stint at HaL ... which was turning out 64bit sparc system. The "H" in HaL was my former manager at IBM and the "L" in HaL was a former employee at SUN ... during the initial formation of HaL, SUN objected strenuously to "L" being part of HaL.

wiki HaL page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_Computer_Systems

Recent mention of having done paged-map filesystem for cp67/cms
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#12 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company

that tried to avoid several of the issues having watched the tss/360 implementation. other past posts mentioning doing paged-map filesystem
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#mmap

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: Multiple Virtual Memory
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 09:46:22 -0500
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
Since that was Multiprogramming with a Variable number of Tasks, wasn't MVS Multiprogramming with Virtual Storage?

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#71 Multiple Virtual Memory

the MVM/MVS was OS/VS2 Release 2 ... to differentiate it from OS/VS2 Release 1 "SVS" (single virtual storage) ... which was MVT layed out in single (16mbyte) virtual address space ... somewhat similar to running MVT in a 16mbyte virtual machine ... except MVT had some stub code that handled the page faults and page I/O ... instead of having CP67 do it

I recently got some background history on what was to have been OS/VS2 Release 3 ... the operating system for FS. Note that MFT transition to virtual memory was called OS/VS1 (which was MFT typically laid out in single 4mbyte virtual address space).

The biggest code for MVT to virtual memory, had to do with I/O operations. Traditional MVT paradigm had applications (and/or libraries called by applications, aka bsam, qsam, bdam, etc) build channel programs in application space and then invoked "EXCP/SVC0" system call. channel programs used "real addresses" ... the issue for SVS (and/or cp67 with virtual machines) was that the passed channel programs now all had virtual addresses.

In CP67, the virtual machine channel programs were processed by "CCWTRANS" which scanned the virtual machine channel programs ... creating a duplicate ... replacing the virtual addresses with real addresses. The initial pass for making MVT support its own single 16mbyte virtual address space (for "SVS") was to "borrow" CP67's CCWTRANS ... and craft it into MVT's EXCP processing (I remember being in POK machine room offshift for some long forgotten reason, and Ludlow was busily getting MVT running with its own virtual memory support on 360/67 ... initial work for SVS).

There was big challenge from "SVS" to "MVS", OS/360 had a heavy "pointer passing" API paradigm. The result started out with each application getting its own 16mbyte virtual address space ... but an 8mbyte image of the os/360 kernel occupied every application 16mbyte virtual address.

The other major problem was MVT had a lot of "subsystems" that sat outside the kernel. An application would generate a subsystem call, pass through the kernel and show up in the subsystems ... the passed application pointer could be used by the subsystem (because they were all in single address space). In transition to MVS, all applications got their own virtual address space ... but so did all these "subsystems" .. which no longer had access to the application address spaces.

The solution to this was the "common segment" ... an area that was common to every virtual address space (analogous to the 8mbyte kernel image), applications could acquire a dedicated part of the "common segment" ... stuff its parameters, call the subsystem ... and the passed pointer was accessable to the subsystems. This area started out as 1mbyte, which along with the 8mbyte kernel area, left the application only 7mbyte. However, as systems grew and subsystems were added ... the common segment size had to grow. Prior to transition to 370/xa & 31bit virtual addressing ... many large customer systems had 4-5mbyte "common segment" ... threatening to grow to 5-6mbytes (in some cases leaving 2mbytes for application use).

As a temporary expedite, a small subset of 370/xa architecture was retrofitted to 3033s call "dual-address" space. This provided new instructions for semi-privileged "subsystems" which could be used to access secondary virtual address space ... subsystem would be entered with a secondary address space pointer of the calling application. This required rewriting all the subsystems ... some of which still hasn't been done ... so common segment support has continued up until the current day.

things have since gotten more complex than dual-address space ... some discussed here
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/dz9zr003/3.2.1?DT=20040504121320

For other drift ... charlie had invented compare&swap instruction when he was doing work on cp67 fine-grain multiprocessor locking at the science center (compare&swap was chosen because CAS are charlie's initials). An attempt was made to get the instruction added to 370. This was initially rebuffed because the POK favorite son operating system (aka MVT) claimed the test&set instruction was more than sufficient. The owners' of 370 architecture gave a challenge to come up with uses for compare&swap other than multiprocessor locking (to justify instruction inclusion in 370). Thus was born the uses for application multiprogramming (multithreaded) ... examples that still survive in current principles of operation. multiprogramming and multiprocessing examples:
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/dz9zr003/A.6?DT=20040504121320

past posts mentioning smp &/or compare&swap
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#smp

compare&swap semantics, in some form, has been picked up by many other platforms and typically is heavily used by, at least, large DBMS implementations (for multithreaded operations, whether or not running in multiprocessor environment).

another item from science center with people's initials is "GML" which was invented at the science center in 1969.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#sgml

where GML are the last name initials of the three inventors. "GML" morphed into ISO standard "SGML" in the late 70s, and then into "HTML" in the late 80s.

misc. past posts mentioning science center
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: Multiple Virtual Memory
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:30:02 -0500
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
I recently got some background history on what was to have been OS/VS2 Release 3 ... the operating system for FS. Note that MFT transition to virtual memory was called OS/VS1 (which was MFT typically laid out in single 4mbyte virtual address space).

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#71 Multiple Virtual Memory
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#72 Multiple Virtual Memory

small piece from last summer (customer asked me if I could contact people with more details regarding history in the period ... reply was both to me and to the original requester):
Of course, the estimates for OS/VS were based on a misperception. The Kingston estimate for OS/VS2 Release 1 (SVS) had an estimate for the work needed for Release 2 (MVS), but it was couched as release 1 cost plus a delta - in other words, the same cost as release 1 plus some more. Since the Kingston resources were being redeployed to FS, that meant that there weren't going to be enough people to do both. Since MVS was supposed to be the glide path for FS (which would be OS/VS2 Release 3), this was unwelcome news. xxxxx and yyyyy modified the plan to reuse some of the SVS resources plus people transitioning from OS/360. Bob Evans did his part by cutting a year off the MVS development schedule.

... snip ...

misc. past posts mentioning FS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys

reference about Ludlow offshift work (mentioned in previous note, I had referenced being in the machine room 3rd shift talking to Ludlow):
Lynn is right about Ludlow. They installed a full duplex Model 67 in the 706 computing center (705 had a model room). Don worked out the channel program translation techniques. He and bbbbb had a patent on real-time channel program translation that probably worked, but had a lot of moving parts. ccccc and I had an alternative proposal which was closed because it was felt that the bbbbbb-Ludlow patent was all we needed. Moot point, because we never built the hardware anyway. Don spent every waking minute on the model 67 (which was configured as two systems).

... snip ...

another piece:
Note to Lynn - I have always given zzzzz the credit for turning Bob Evans around. For reasons unknown to me, the TSO group had the flip charts and wallboard zzzzz used. The clincher was the ability to run 16 initiators simultaneously on a 1 megabyte system, taking advantage of the fact that MVT normally used only 25% of the memory in a partition. The resulting throughput gain (compared to real hardware) was substantial enough to convince Bob. It helped that Tom Simpson and Bob Crabtree had hosted an MFT II system TSS-Style and shown similar performance gains. Of course, since CP67 was a pickup group they weren't considered and we had the OS/VS adventure instead.

... snip ...

Note Simpson & Crabtree had done HASP. another piece:
HASP (Houston Automatic Spooling Priority System) was developed for the Houston Manned Space Center by Tom Simpson, Bob Crabtree and a couple of others who used their experience with the Moonlight (DCS) system. It overcame some of the horrendous design decisions that crippled MFT (many of these were fixed in MFT II). It was released as a type 3 program (I still have one of the source tapes, long since changed to chocolate) and turned the OS/360 program around. At the same time the West Region used their experience with Moonlight to create ASP. We used the BSC-B release when I was at Ohio State in 1969. Prior to that the RJE package was awful, although they all were due to the STR protocol. Lynn's workaround was one of the usable RJE packages - aaaaaa's team never did get it, and produced some real stones.

... snip ...

As undergraduate in the 60s, I had ripped out the HASP 2780/STR support in part to reduce HASP real storage footprint ... and replaced it with 2741&TTY terminal support along with editor (that mostly re-implemented CMS editor syntax ... none of the code was re-useable since the CMS and HASP environments were so different).

misc. past posts mentioning HASP:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#hasp

HASP support (& some people) move to g'burg for morphing HASP into JES2. ASP support was also moved into the same g'burg group. My wife did a stint in the group (after FS) ... including part of the "catchers" for ASP to "JES3". She was co-author (along with person that sent this recent note) for "JESUS" ... "JES Unified System" ... that included all the things from JES2 & JES3 that neither customer camps could live without. For various reasons ... it never happened ... and both JES2 & JES3 continue to exist today.

the "TSS-Style" thing was called "RASP". Simpson later leaves and appears as a "Fellow" in Dallas working for Amdahl ... and redoing "RASP" (in "clean room"). There was some legal action that attempted to find any RASP code included in the new stuff being done at Amdahl.

more HASP stuff from the note:
To find SPOOL you'll have to get some old 7070 marketing material. The problem being addressed was that the peripheral equipment (card reader, punch, printer) were all 150 docs/minute devices, whilst Univac and others were touting fast card readers (basically model 85 collators wired directly into the computer) and printers - 300 cards/minute and 600 lines/minute. The mainframes (704/709 and 705) us off-line card to tape, tape to card, and tape to printer equipment (with a ghastly wire printer that would print at 1000 lines a minute for a couple of seconds or so). This was an unacceptable solution for a mid-range system that was meant to replace the IBM 650. The solution took advantage of the interrupt facility built into the 7070 - the off line operations executed in the background while an application was running, so the 7070 became a tape-in, tape-out system, just like its big brothers, but without requiring so much extra equipment. This was heavily touted until 1959, when the IBM 1401 was announced. Since the 1401 could do simultaneous card-tape, tape-card, and tape-print, had the wonderful 1403 train printer and a fast card reader-punch (the 1402), and was incredibly cheap (less than the cost of the card equipment for the 7070), SPOOL suddenly became a bad word, to the dismay of the sales force.

... snip ...

My first student programming job was re-implementing 1401 "MPIO" in 360. Univ. had 709/1401 combination where operators manually moved tapes between 709 & 1401. Univ. was on plan to replace whole thing with 360/67 running tss/360. As part of transition, 1401 was replaced with 360/30. The 360/30 could run 1401 hardware emulation and needed no new software ... but for whatever reasons, I was paid to redo the app in 360. I got to design & write my own monitor, device drivers, storage management, interrupt handlers, task management, error recovery, etc. The only criteria was card->tape was same tape as created by 1401 ... and 709 tapes for tape->printer/punch was the same. One of the things was being able to concurrently do card->tape and tape->printer/punch operations.

Before doing the HASP 2741/TTY CRJE thing ... I had added TTY/ASCII support to cp67 (which came with 2741 & 1052 support). The cp67 2741/1052 terminal support did automatic terminal type identification (leveraging the 2702 SAD command being able to switch the line-scanner type associated with port/line). I attempted to preserve the dynamic terminal type identification ... and it worked for leased/direct lines. However, the 2702 had taken a hardware shortcut and hardwired the oscillator/line-speed to each port. My dreams of having a single dial-up (hunt group) number of all dial-in terminals was blocked.

This was somewhat the motivation for the univ. to start clone controller effort, reverse engineer channel interface ... and build channel interface board for Interdata/3 programmed to emulate 2702 ... but supporting both dynamic terminal type and dynamic line-speed identification. Later four of us are written up being blamed for clone controller business. misc. past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#360pcm

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: Multiple Virtual Memory
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 16:08:23 -0500
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
HASP support (& some people) move to g'burg for morphing HASP into JES2. ASP support was also moved into the same g'burg. My wife did a stint in the group (after FS) ... inclduing part of the "catchers" for ASP to "JES3". She was co-author (along with person that sent the note) for "JESUS" ... "JES Unified System" ... that included all the things from JES2 & JES3 that nether customer camps could live without. Various reasons ... it never happened ... and both JES2 & JES3 continue to exist today.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#71 Multiple Virtual Memory
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#72 Multiple Virtual Memory
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#73 Multiple Virtual Memory

my wife was then con'ed into going to pok to be in charge of (mainframe) loosely-coupled (cluster) architecutre. while there she did peer-coupled shared data ... which saw little uptake (except for IMS hot-standby) until sysplex (and parallel sysplex) ... contributing to her not remaining long. misc. past posts mentioning peer-coupled shared data architecture
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#shareddata

another factor was the skimishes with the communication group which were demanding that she use SNA for loosely-coupled operation ... there would be temporary truces where she would be allowed to use whatever she wanted (but the communication group "owned" everything that crossed the wall of the datacenter).

decade later, she does short stint as chief architect for Amadeus ... but doesn't last long ... the communication group gets her removed when she backs the use of x.25 (over sna); it didn't do them much good, Amadeus goes with x.25 anyway.

misc. recent refs mentioning Amadeus
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#17 Looking for a real Fortran-66 compatible PC compiler (CP/M or DOS or Windows, doesn't matter)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#41 Looking for a real Fortran-66 compatible PC compiler (CP/M or DOSor Windows
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#14 Sabre; The First Online Reservation System
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#43 Sabre; The First Online Reservation System

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The first personal computer (PC)

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers, alt.usage.english
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 10:01:33 -0500
Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> writes:
Jolt surely?

long ago and far away ... i was at a annual get-together ... that JOLT had selected for initial betatest ... they trucked in large number of cases of the stuff for the gathering. fading memory, I can't remember if that was the same year 60minutes was allowed in to do a segment (after several weeks of negotiations that they wouldn't do a hack job, they then proceeded to do everything they had promised not to do).

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The first personal computer (PC)

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers, alt.usage.english
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 10:19:16 -0500
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#75 The first personal computer (PC)

from long ago and far away

Date: Fri, 14 Oct 88 17:48:39 EST
From: wheeler
Subject: UNIX user group meeting

fyi, next thursday (7pm?) is the local unix user group meeting. I'll be giving an informal trip report on Interop '88 (two weeks ago in santa clara) and Hacker's 4.0 (this last week end ... contrary to CBS, Hacker's is not a revolutionary army in the santa cruz hills).


... snip ... top of post, old email index

recent post mentioning interop '88 in thread about NSFNET (T1) backbone:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#66 IBM100 - Rise of the Internet

the friday before (hackers) ... there was tour of nasa/ames ... all sort of nook and crannies:


*Tour of the SuperComputing Center, including:
2 Cray IIs, each with 2 Gigabytes of RAM (one has fast ram)
  Connection Machine (32K CPUs)
Top of the Line Alliant
  VAX Farm
ETA 10 mini-super
Convex super-mini
And featuring the One-of-a-kind: *Cray YMP*, which has:
    -- 256 Megabyte Cache
-- 2 Gigabyte RAM
    -- 340 Gigabyte Virtual Mem
-- 8 Processors
-- Blinding Speed
(We also have a Cray XMP 48, but EVERYBODY has these nowadays....)

*Tour of the Advanced Workstation Group (this is a maybe...)

*Tour of the Hanger, including:
ER-2s (civilian U-2s)
Harriers
   Lots of Helicopters (including a Chinook IN-FLIGHT simulator)
QSRA (Quiet Short Take-Off & Landing Research Aircraft)
   Flying Observatories (including the Kiper)
and the star experimental aircraft:
*XV-15* tilt-rotor (the V22 Osprey prototype)

*Tour of Simulators, including:
Man-Vehicle Research Facility, which has:
      B727 sim (considered equiv to a plane by FAA)
Advanced Concepts Flight Simulator (1995 air transport)
And (perhaps...) the main Sim Branch's Vertical Motion Sim (VMS)
which has a motion base with a 100 foot vertical
      throw, along with a 1/2 block horizontal travel.

*Assorted other goodies (i.e. largest wind tunnel, maybe a space-station
mock-up, future space-suits, my Air Traffic Control work, etc.)

... snip ...

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End of an era

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: End of an era
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:27:05 -0500
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
They didn't make it past 1990 and only two were launched in configurations with lower payload than a Saturn V, but yes something like the final planned configuration would have been a nice tool if it could be made.

first discovery mission (41-d) went up with sbs-4 ... which had its own booster, after release from discovery, the booster took it up to geosynchronous

ISS (under 200mi)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Space_Station
LEO
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Earth_orbit

geosynchronous
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geosynchronous_orbit

41-d
http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/missions/41-d/mission-41-d.html

discovery
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Discovery

after challenger explosion ... there was some adjustment to sbs birds to launch them with ariane
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariane_%28rocket_family%29

when ibm disolves sbs ... the birds go to hughes and the phone business goes to mci ... later hughes winds up at boeing
http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/space/bss/launch/launched.html

sbs 1&2 go up on delta, sbs 3&4 go up on shuttle, sbs5 on ariane3, sbs6 on ariane 44l

ariane used supply ISS (16feb2011)
http://www.arianespace.com/news-mission-update/2011/763.asp

russian rocket engines for us atlas
http://rt.com/usa/news/atlas-rocket-engine-russia/

space forces
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Space_Forces
http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/russia/vks.htm

souvenir from space city ... uniform patch (i had to do bit of work to cleanup the image of the cloth)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/spcommand.jpg

uniform patch

misc. past posts mentioning 41-d
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000b.html#27 Tysons Corner, Virginia
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003k.html#14 Ping: Anne & Lynn Wheeler
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004b.html#23 Health care and lies
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005h.html#21 Thou shalt have no other gods before the ANSI C standard
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006m.html#11 An Out-of-the-Main Activity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006m.html#16 Why I use a Mac, anno 2006
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006p.html#31 "25th Anniversary of the Personal Computer"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006v.html#41 Year-end computer bug could ground Shuttle
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#61 Damn
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#19 IBM-MAIN longevity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#20 IBM-MAIN longevity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#44 IBM-MAIN longevity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#27 My Vintage Dream PC
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009k.html#76 And, 40 years of IBM midrange
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#36 U.S. students behind in math, science, analysis says
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#57 watches
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010i.html#69 Favourite computer history books?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#76 Other early NSFNET backbone
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#61 End of an era

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I actually miss working at IBM

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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler)
Date: 12 Mar, 2011
Subject: I actually miss working at IBM
Blog: Greater IBM
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#0 I actually miss working at IBM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#12 I actually miss working at IBM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#13 I actually miss working at IBM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#15 I actually miss working at IBM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#16 I actually miss working at IBM

Note also the executive that was predicting in the mid-80s that sales would double (to $120B ... see upthread about fast track) and there was massive bldg. program to double manufacturing capacity (however, at the time, it was relatively trivial to show that the business was moving in the opposite direction).

I think somebody could write a book on all the tricks done for pumping up executive bonuses.

Manage-to-the-bonus became wide spread in American culture and tricks that misaligned MTTB with the business were epidemic. I've written several times in the wake of sarbanes-oxley that GAO (apparently believing SEC was doing little or nothing) started doing audits of public company financial filings showing uptick in fraudulent filings (apparently to boost executive bonuses) ... and even if the filings were later revised ... the bonuses weren't adjusted.

recent gao reference:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#42 Productivity And Bubbles

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Mainframe technology in 2011 and beyond; who is going to run these Mainframes?

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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler)
Date: 12 Mar, 2011
Subject: Mainframe technology in 2011 and beyond; who is going to run these Mainframes?
Blog: Mainframe Zone
recent, really long-winded piece in a.f.c., archived at google:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.folklore.computers/browse_thread/thread/d17e43128958b856#

my first programming job as undergraduate was doing my own mini-monitor for 360/30 (replaced 1401 "MPIO"). Afer a couple other things, the univ. gave me responsible for production operating system ... I got to do sysgens, maintenance, etc.

later at IBM, career choice To Be or To Do ... from dedication of Boyd Hall at Air Force Weapons School, also mentioned recently with regard to IBM Jargon defintion for fast track. I had sponsored Boyd's briefings at IBM. The first one, I attempted through employee education, which they initially agreed. However, after leaning more about the content of the talk they changed their mind, recommending that audience should be restricted to competitive analysis depts only. (saying IBM spends a great deal of money on training managers to handle employees and having general employees attend could be counter-productive).

note that client/server wasn't directly the problem. client/server was reflection of the growing computational power of all these things on desktops ... and required the company to adapt. It was possible to see this in the 80s and formulate what was needed ... but change was being blocked. In the late 80s, a senior disk engineer got a talk scheduled at the internal, world-wide, annual communication group conference ... and opened his talk with the statement that the communication group was going to be responsible for the demise of the disk division.

The issue was that the terminal emulation/SNA paradigm had a stranglehold on the datacenter and large amounts of data was starting to leak out to more distributed computing friendly platforms. The disk division could see the leading edge of this in disk sales ... and formulated several products to address the situation ... however, since the communication group had strategic ownership of everything that crossed the datacenter walls, the disk division was constantly blocked. misc. past posts mentioning terminal emulation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#emulation

The problem & solutions were understood before the early 90s, but there were forces attempting to preserve the stanglehold status quo and blocking any adaptation to changing environment. A major theme in Boyd's briefings was prevailing by adapting faster than your competition.

misc. past posts mentioning John Boyd
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subboyd.html

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The first personal computer (PC)

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The first personal computer (PC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:39:18 -0500
Ibmekon writes:
So round and round the wheel goes

silverado savings & loan cost taxpayers (paltry) $1.3B
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Bush

search engine also turns up this
http://rationalrevolution.net/war/bush_family_and_the_s.htm

the above is also mentioned in this really long-winded decade old post from late 90s
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay3.htm#riskm

recent posts mentioning above:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#94 The Curly Factor -- Prologue
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#27 The Zippo Lighter theory of the financial crisis (or, who do we want to blame?)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#59 Productivity And Bubbles
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#28 The first personal computer (PC)

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Multiple Virtual Memory

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: Multiple Virtual Memory
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 21:33:08 -0500
Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> writes:
Ummm, I think it goes a loooong way further back - IBM had a tradition of avoiding words that made computers sound in any way human. I just checked the 701 manual (from Bitsavers), dated 1953, and they refer to "electrostatic storage". Likewise the 704 manual talks about "core storage". Memory has always been "storage" in IBM-speak.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#71 Multiple Virtual Memory
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#72 Multiple Virtual Memory
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#73 Multiple Virtual Memory
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#74 Multiple Virtual Memory

take it up with IBM Jargon ... it was the one claimed that MVM was the original name for MVS.

of course there is DASD (direct access storage device) ... which comes from a period when there was a number of different kinds of devices and it wasn't even clear which kind would come to dominate.

i remember memory being used in the early 70s

there is this:
http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/history/year_1970.html

from above:

In IBM's most important product announcement since the System/360 in 1964, the IBM System/370 is introduced. Able to run System/360 programs, the System/370 is one of the first lines of computers to include "virtual memory" technology, a technique developed in England in 1962 to expand the capabilities of the computer by using space on the hard drive to accommodate the memory requirements of software.

... snip ...

of course it skates over the existance of 360/67 and tss/360 ... as well as other systems from 360/67; cp67 by science center, mts at michigan, etc. misc. past posts mentioning science center
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech

then there is this ... from science center in the 60s regarding tss/360 might not know what it was getting into ... "VM and the VM Community: Past, Present, and Future" ... several formats can be found here:
http://www.leeandmelindavarian.com/Melinda/

from above:

What was most significant was that the commitment to virtual memory was backed with no successful experience. A system of that period that had implemented virtual memory was the Ferranti Atlas computer, and that was known not to be working well. What was frightening is that nobody who was setting this virtual memory direction at IBM knew why Atlas didn't work.

... snip ...

of course, the same could be said of (later) Future System effort ... misc. past posts mentioning Future System
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys

little more drift into managing virtual memory ... and global vs local replacement ... recent references
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#44 CKD DASD
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#70 Speed of Old Hard Disks
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#8 The first personal computer (PC)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#12 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#72 A History of VM Performance
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#74 A History of VM Performance
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#87 A History of VM Performance
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#88 Hillgang -- VM Performance
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#90 A History of VM Performance

misc. past posts mentioning virtual memory management and replacement
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#wsclock

misc. recent references mentioning Melinda:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#15 545 Tech Square
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#64 Two terrific writers .. are going to write a book
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#72 Speed of Old Hard Disks
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#73 Speed of Old Hard Disks - adcons
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#76 Speed of Old Hard Disks - adcons
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#98 History of copy on write
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#4 Rare Apple I computer sells for $216,000 in London
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#13 Rare Apple I computer sells for $216,000 in London
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#18 Melinda Varian's history page move
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#23 A brief history of CMS/XA, part 1
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#25 Melinda Varian's history page move
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#29 A brief history of CMS/XA, part 1
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#33 A brief history of CMS/XA, part 1
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#35 Colossal Cave Adventure in PL/I
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#39 1971PerformanceStudies - Typical OS/MFT 40/50/65s analysed
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#61 VM13025 ... zombie/hung users
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#81 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#0 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#2 Other early NSFNET backbone
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#3 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#4 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#31 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#32 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#71 IBM and the Computer Revolution
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#87 A History of VM Performance
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#90 A History of VM Performance

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Multiple Virtual Memory

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: Multiple Virtual Memory
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 23:06:16 -0500
Bill Findlay <news@findlayw.plus.com> writes:
Known by whom? What is your evidence for this claim?

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#81 Multiple Virtual Memory

it was quote from melinda's document ... attributed to somebody at science center in the mid-60s(?) ... before my time.

atlas wiki page ... doesn't mentioning anything about performance:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Computer_%28Manchester%29

maybe somebody here has knowledge from early-60s about atlas performance and what was being referenced.

note however, the use of the quote from melinda's history was to show example of the use of "virtual memory" (as opposed to "virtual storage")

wiki "virtual memory" page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_memory
wiki "paging" page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paging

above have references to atlas.

the other point of the previous post ... was global vis-a-vis local LRU ... in the late 60s, there was some amount of academic work in "local LRU" ... when i was doing global LRU as an undergraduate at the univ.

more than decade later, Jim Gray asked me to help with co-worker at Tandem being blocked getting his PHD thesis in the area of global LRU ... recent post
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#8 The first personal computer (PC)

references this older post
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#46 The Future of CPUs: What's After Multi-Core?
with this old communication
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#email821019

i.e. for whatever reason, corporate management blocked my sending a reply for almost a year (request had been made during acm sigops conference dec81).

old post with lots of extracts from Melinda's history
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000f.html#78 TSS ancient history, was X86 ultimate CISC? designs)

other past posts with Atlas reference:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001h.html#10 VM: checking some myths.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001h.html#26 TECO Critique
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002.html#42 a.f.c history checkup... (was What specifications will the standard year 2001 PC have?)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003.html#72 Disk drives as commodities. Was Re: Yamhill
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003b.html#0 Disk drives as commodities. Was Re: Yamhill
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003b.html#1 Disk drives as commodities. Was Re: Yamhill
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003m.html#34 SR 15,15 was: IEFBR14 Problems
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005o.html#4 Robert Creasy, RIP
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006i.html#30 virtual memory
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007e.html#1 Designing database tables for performance?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#36 Wylbur and Paging
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#41 Virtual Storage implementation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#51 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#64 CSA 'above the bar'
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#54 new 40+ yr old, disruptive technology
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007u.html#77 IBM Floating-point myths
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007u.html#79 IBM Floating-point myths
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007u.html#84 IBM Floating-point myths
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#55 Publisher of Geek's Atlas to help save Bletchley Park
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010g.html#71 Interesting presentation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#44 CKD DASD
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#72 Speed of Old Hard Disks
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#77 End of an era

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End of an era

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: End of an era
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:43:06 -0400
Canbear <nospam@nospam.com> writes:
If I was running the Department of Defense, I'd want a team involved.

America's Defense Meltdown
http://www.amazon.com/Americas-Defense-Meltdown-President-ebook/dp/B001TKD4SA

although there are several statements that the venality of the pentagon is dwarfed by wallstreet:

13 Bankers: The Wallstreet Takeover and the Next Financial Meltdown
http://www.amazon.com/13-Bankers-Takeover-Financial-ebook/dp/B0036S4EIW

more recent

The Pentagon Labyrinth
http://www.cdi.org/program/issue/index.cfm?ProgramID=37&issueid=254

several of the authors were part of Boyd's "gang/acolytes" ... full PDF
http://www.cdi.org/pdfs/TPL_FullText_2.9.11.pdf

also here
http://chuckspinney.blogspot.com/p/pentagon-labyrinth.html

and

What Did the Rumsfeld/Gates Pentagon Do with $1 Trillion?
http://www.cdi.org/program/document.cfm?documentid=4623

note cdi.org has moved to
http://www.pogo.org/straus/
... missing $1T is now
http://www.pogo.org/straus/issues/defense-budget/2010/what-did-the-rumsfeld-gates-pentagon-do-with-1-trillion.html

from above:
According to the analysis of the Project on Defense Alternatives, between 1998 and 2010 Congress appropriated to the Pentagon $2.144 Trillion (with a "T") more than was anticipated by the 1999 "baseline." Of that amount, $1.113 Trillion was spent on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and $1.031 Trillion was added to "base" (non-war) Pentagon spending. (See p. 3 of PDA's study, "An Undisciplined Defense: Understanding the $2 Trillion Surge in US Defense Spending" at

http://www.comw.org/pda/fulltext/1001PDABR20.pdf

I basically concur with PDA's numbers, which are from DOD and OMB budget data as described on p. 61.)

What did you get for that extra $1 Trillion? Basically, you got a smaller Navy and Air Force and a tiny increase in the size of the Army. As an extra bonus, the hardware those forces use are now older than they were in the Clinton administration in 1998.


... snip ...

I had sponsored Boyd's briefings at IBM; misc. past posts mentioning John Boyd
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subboyd.html

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