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spacewar
What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
A Brief History of Cloud Computing
A Brief History of Cloud Computing
What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
spacewar
What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
spacewar
Jack Lew Shows His True Colors By Forcing Deregulation of Derivatives on the CFTC
What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
spacewar
What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
A Brief History of Cloud Computing
A Brief History of Cloud Computing
Teletypewriter Model 33
Teletypewriter Model 33
Teletypewriter Model 33
Teletypewriter Model 33
Teletypewriter Model 33
Teletypewriter Model 33
Anyone here run UUCP?
World's worst programming environment?
World's worst programming environment?
model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
Teletypewriter Model 33
World's worst programming environment?
Teletypewriter Model 33
Ex-Wall Street chieftains living large in post-meltdown world
Money Laundering Exposed As A Key Component Of The Housing Bubble's "All Cash" Bid
OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
Brazilian TV show accuses NSA of spying on oil firm based on leaked docs
OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
Teletypewriter Model 33
OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
Teletypewriter Model 33
OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
Ex-Wall Street chieftains living large in post-meltdown world
The Original IBM Basic Beliefs for those that have never seen them
Mainframe On Cloud
Mainframe On Cloud
Lehman Brothers collapse: was capitalism to blame?
Mainframe On Cloud
Mainframe On Cloud
"NSA foils much internet encryption"
"NSA foils much internet encryption"
What the Orgy of "Lehman Five Years On" Stories Missed
OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
Teletypewriter Model 33
Retirement Heist
model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
Voyager 1 just left the solar system using less computing powerthan your iP
model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
50,000 x86 operating system on single mainframe
OT: NYT article--the rich get richer

spacewar

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: spacewar
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 23:57:28 -0400
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
and current with the change was executives managing their career ... including managing the information flow up the executive chain (where an internal documentation about MVS 15min MTBF probably was inconsistent with what they were likely reporting up the executive chain)

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#89 spacewar
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#90 spacewar

recently there has been discussion in Boyd group about whether corporate america was contaminating US military culture or the reverse.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#48 John Boyd's Art of War
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#59 John Boyd's Art of War
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#61 John Boyd's Art of War

Boyd would mention in briefings about former ww2 military officers moving into corporate life was contaiminating US corporate culture with top-heavy, rigid, top-down command&control infrastructure. However, "The Path to Victory"
http://www.amazon.com/The-Path-to-Victory-ebook/dp/B00EHV3ADW/

spends quite a bit of time how the military was being contaminated by US corporate culture ... almost tempted to describe it as adopting the worst of each other in a race to the bottom, loc2353-55:

By the end of the second year, the zero-defects command climate had generated a zero-learning posture. Errors being unacceptable, they were denied and thus became unavailable as examples for improving unit performance. Lying up and down the chain of command returned to its high, Vietnam-era baseline.

... snip ...

then there is the whole merge of the MICC
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex

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What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 09:29:36 -0400
jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
Not when he is the chair of the committee.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#86 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?

Barney isn't even on time's list of those responsible for the financial mess ... number #1 on the list ... new breed of mortgage institutions paying for triple-A ratings on toxic CDOs.
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877339,00.html

banking committee deals with depository institutions with banking charter ... who were no-longer the major players in mortgages

mostly unregulated loan originators being able to pay rating agencies for triple-A rating on toxic CDOs ... these loan originators were able to use the toxic CDO process for source of funds and to unload mortgages (weren't dependent on deposits as source for lending). none of this was under banking committee. It had moved to wallstreet non-depository, non-banking institutions. The $27T in triple-A rated toxic CDOs came under the SEC regulatory authority ... which wasn't under the banking committee. posts referencing toxic CDOs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#toxic.cdo

and #4 on times list of those responsible was head of SEC
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877323,00.html

Gramm was responsible for repeal of Glass-Steagall ... so the too-big-to-fail came into being which involved the regulated depository (banking) institution being able to have mostly unregulated investment banking arms (not under banking committee). number two on time's list of those responsible
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877330,00.html

Gramm also did the thing preventing CFTC from regulating gambling CDS (gambling CDSs were the other big player in the mess, along with toxic CDOs) ... CFTC comes under the agriculture committee. Repeal of Glass-Steagall didn't directly contribute to the financial mess ... it did allowed the unregulated investment banking arms of too-big-to-fail to leverage deposits to play in toxic CDOs and also put the depository institution at risk ... resulting in the justification for the trillions of dollars that the federal reserve pours into too-big-to-fail ... but that was after the bubble burst and things hit the fan. recent posts reference that both Mr&Mrs were involved in making sure gambling CDS stayed unregulated:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#49 Insider Fraud: What to Monitor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#41 Adair Turner: A New Debt-Free Money Advocate
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#73 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#28 Flag bloat
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#29 The agency problem and how to create a criminogenic environment

GLBA is now better known for repeal of Glass-Steagall ... but the rhetoric on the floor of congress was that the primary purpose for GLBA; if you already had a banking charter you got to keep it, but if you didn't already have a banking charter you couldn't get one (this was primarily focused on protecting the banking industry from competition). Role forward to the bubble had burst and federal reserve handing out trillions of dollars to depository too-big-to-fail ... federal reserve gives out banking charters to some of the largest wallstreet non-depository institutions ... which should have been illegal under GLBA. past posts mentioning repeal of Glass-Steagall
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#Pecora&/orGlass-Steagall
enabling too-big-to-fail
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail

The person behind the trillions of dollar give-away to the too-big-to-fail is #3 on times list
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877331,00.html

the above reference the ultra-low interest rates policy by the federal reserve ... this also shows up in the private equity business ... borrowing at ultra-low rates to fund take-over a company ... putting the loan on the company's book and then flipping the company (keeping all the proceeds as profit since the loan to buy the company, is transferred to the company) ... aided and abetted by offshore banking ... also not under banking committee

Treasure Islands: Uncovering the Damage of Offshore Banking and Tax Havens
http://books.google.com/books?id=u655GkaMkwgC&pg=PA216&lpg=PA216#v=onepage&q&f=false

pg216/loc4511-14:
Plenty of good firms have gone bust as a result of this offshore debt-loading, which the New York Times in 2009 described as "a Wall Street version of 'Flip This House.'" 48 More than half of the companies that defaulted on their debt that year were either previously or currently owned by private equity firms.

... snip ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/05/business/economy/05simmons.html

"Inside Job" gets into "captured" regulatory agencies (like SEC) having major role in the economic mess ... but also gets into the capture of major economic advisors as contributing ... including after the bubble hit advice to wallstreet to put as many under financial obligation as means of helping obfuscate and misdirect away from those responsible
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_Job_(2010_film)
the capture of economists is also covered in "Economists and the Powerful: Convenient Theories, Distorted Facts, Ample Rewards"
http://www.amazon.com/Economists-Powerful-Convenient-Distorted-ebook/dp/B009K44OW2

an example

Glenn Hubbard, Leading Academic and Mitt Romney Advisor, Took 1200 an Hour to Be Countrywide's Expert Witness (reference to #1 on time's list of those responsible)
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/glenn-hubbard-leading-academic-and-mitt-romney-advisor-took-1200-an-hour-to-be-countrywides-expert-witness-20121220

recent posts discussing the private equity business (also not under the banking committee)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#77 IBM going ahead with more U.S. job cuts today
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#87 IBM going ahead with more U.S. job cuts today
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#18 Louis V. Gerstner Jr. lays out his post-IBM life - Washington Post
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#20 Louis V. Gerstner Jr. lays out his post-IBM life
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#26 Louis V. Gerstner Jr. lays out his post-IBM life
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#41 Is newer technology always better? It almost is. Exceptions?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#54 How do you feel about the fact that India has more employees than US?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#61 Big Data Is Opening Doors, but Maybe Too Many
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#76 The failure of cyber defence - the mindset is against it
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#81 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#9 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#31 IBM vs. Amazon for Cloud
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#74 How the NSA Manipulates Language To Mislead The Public
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#2 IBM Relevancy in the IT World
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#28 Flag bloat
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#29 The agency problem and how to create a criminogenic environment
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#31 China mulls probe into IBM, Oracle, EMC after NSA hack claims - report
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#57 The agency problem and how to create a criminogenic environment
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#60 spacewar
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#61 John Boyd's Art of War

past posts mentioning times list of those responsible
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#38 People to Blame for the Financial Crisis
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#39 'WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE GLOBAL MELTDOWN'
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#49 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#53 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#55 Who will give Citigroup the KNOCKOUT blow?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#65 is it possible that ALL banks will be nationalized?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#10 Who will Survive AIG or Derivative Counterparty Risk?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#28 I need insight on the Stock Market
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#61 Quiz: Evaluate your level of Spreadsheet risk
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#62 Is Wall Street World's Largest Ponzi Scheme where Madoff is Just a Poster Child?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#63 Do bonuses foster unethical conduct?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#73 Should Glass-Steagall be reinstated?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#0 What is swap in the financial market?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#8 The background reasons of Credit Crunch
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#13 Should we fear and hate derivatives?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#23 Should FDIC or the Federal Reserve Bank have the authority to shut down and take over non-bank financial institutions like AIG?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#35 Architectural Diversity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#29 What is the real basis for business mess we are facing today?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#38 On whom or what would you place the blame for the sub-prime crisis?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#51 On whom or what would you place the blame for the sub-prime crisis?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#53 What every taxpayer should know about what caused the current Financial Crisis
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#5 Do the current Banking Results in the US hide a grim truth?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#7 Just posted third article about toxic assets in a series on the current financial crisis
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#33 Treating the Web As an Archive
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#76 Undoing 2000 Commodity Futures Modernization Act
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#17 REGULATOR ROLE IN THE LIGHT OF RECENT FINANCIAL SCANDALS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#54 64 Cores -- IBM is showing a prototype already
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#60 In the USA "financial regulator seeks power to curb excess speculation."
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#74 Administration calls for financial system overhaul
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#77 Financial Regulatory Reform - elimination of loophole allowing special purpose institutions outside Bank Holding Company (BHC) oversigh
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#21 The Big Takeover
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#30 An Amazing Document On Madoff Said To Have Been Sent To SEC In 2005
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#35 what is mortgage-backed securities?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009l.html#5 Internal fraud isn't new, but it's news
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009n.html#56 Opinions on the 'Unix Haters' Handbook'
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#84 Opinions on the 'Unix Haters' Handbook'
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#51 Opinions on the 'Unix Haters' Handbook
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#77 Now is time for banks to replace core system according to Accenture
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#82 Oldest Instruction Set still in daily use?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#92 Who's to Blame for the Meltdown?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#54 The 2010 Census
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#28 Our Pecora Moment
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#67 The Python and the Mongoose: it helps if you know the rules of engagement
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#38 Who is Really to Blame for the Financial Crisis?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#36 Idiotic programming style edicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#29 Ernst & Young sued for fraud over Lehman
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#9 I actually miss working at IBM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#36 On Protectionism
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#38 On Protectionism
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#40 On Protectionism
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html#52 Are Americans serious about dealing with money laundering and the drug cartels?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011h.html#25 US Housing Crisis Is Now Worse Than Great Depression
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011h.html#29 Obama: "We don't have enough engineers"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#8 'Megalomania, Insanity' Fueled Bubble: Munger
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#18 Happy 100th Birthday, IBM!
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#19 Happy 100th Birthday, IBM!
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#41 Advice from Richard P. Feynman
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#30 Regulators seek to plug derivatives data gaps
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#53 50th anniversary of BASIC, COBOL?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#54 50th anniversary of BASIC, COBOL?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#69 computer bootlaces
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#74 computer bootlaces
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011m.html#2 computer bootlaces
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011n.html#41 The men who crashed the world
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011n.html#49 The men who crashed the world
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011n.html#77 Did You Hear the One About the Bankers?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011o.html#62 Civilization, doomed?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012.html#72 Chris Dodd's SOPA crusading
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012b.html#95 Bank of America Fined $1 Billion for Mortgage Fraud
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012c.html#5 Too big not to fail
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012c.html#31 US real-estate has lost $7T in value
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012c.html#46 PC industry is heading for more change
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012d.html#5 PC industry is heading for more change
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012d.html#12 Gordon Gekko Says
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012d.html#13 PC industry is heading for more change
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012d.html#16 IBM cuts more than 1,000 U.S. Workers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012e.html#57 speculation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012f.html#20 For He's a Jolly Good Scoundrel: On Sanford Weill
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012g.html#20 Psychology Of Fraud: Why Good People Do Bad Things
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012g.html#28 REPEAL OF GLASS-STEAGALL DID NOT CAUSE THE FINANCIAL CRISIS - WHAT DO YOU THINK?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012g.html#59 Why Hasn't The Government Prosecuted Anyone For The 2008 Financial recession?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012g.html#67 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012g.html#76 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012g.html#77 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012g.html#78 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012g.html#82 How do you feel about the fact that today India has more IBM employees than US?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012g.html#87 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#36 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#45 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#82 Interesting News Article
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#94 Naked emperors, holy cows and Libor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012k.html#31 History--punched card transmission over telegraph lines
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012k.html#38 Four Signs Your Awesome Investment May Actually Be A Ponzi Scheme
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012k.html#45 If all of the American earned dollars hidden in off shore accounts were uncovered and taxed do you think we would be able to close the deficit gap?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012m.html#58 General Mills computer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012m.html#59 General Mills computer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012p.html#47 Search Google, 1960:s-style
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012p.html#55 Search Google, 1960:s-style
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#0 IBM Is Changing The Terms Of Its Retirement Plan, Which Is Frustrating Some Employees
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#4 HSBC's Settlement Leaves Us In A Scary Place
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#49 Insider Fraud: What to Monitor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#73 More Whistleblower Leaks on Foreclosure Settlement Show Both Suppression of Evidence and Gross Incompetence
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#9 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#38 Adair Turner: A New Debt-Free Money Advocate
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#41 Adair Turner: A New Debt-Free Money Advocate
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#46 Bankers Who Made Millions In Housing Boom Misled Investors: Study
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#35 Ex-Bailout Watchdog: JPMorgan's Actions "Entirely Consistent With Fraud"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#70 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#73 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#76 IBM Spent A Million Dollars Renovating And Staffing Its Former CEO's Office
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#9 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#19 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#24 What Makes bank regulation and insurance Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#42 More Whistleblower Leaks on Foreclosure Settlement Show Both Suppression of Evidence and Gross Incompetence
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#79 As an IBM'er just like the Marines only a few good men and women make the cut,
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#28 Flag bloat
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#29 The agency problem and how to create a criminogenic environment

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What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 09:50:33 -0400
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#86 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#1 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?

25 People to Blame for the Financial Crisis; Who Deserves the Most Blame?
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1878509_1878508,00.html

from above:
TIME's picks for the top 25 people to blame for the financial crisis includes everyone from former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan and former President George W. Bush to the former CEO of Merrill Lynch

... snip ...

Remember the president last decade responsible for the economic mess, his father had been the point person in the 80s administration responsible for deregulation and removing oversight enabling the looting of S&Ls ... and his brother was player in one of the largest S&L lootings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savings_and_loan_crisis#Silverado_Savings_and_Loan

recent refs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#18 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#26 The agency problem and how to create a criminogenic environment
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#29 The agency problem and how to create a criminogenic environment
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#35 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#41 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#43 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#45 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#52 The agency problem and how to create a criminogenic environment
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#57 The agency problem and how to create a criminogenic environment

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A Brief History of Cloud Computing

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From: lynn@garlic.com
Subject: A Brief History of Cloud Computing
Date: 03 Sep 2013
Blog: Old Geek
A Brief History of Cloud Computing
http://blog.softlayer.com/2013/virtual-magic-the-cloud/

re:
http://lnkd.in/MbiakK

CTSS 7094
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compatible_Time-Sharing_System
some of the CTSS people went to Project MAC and multics on the 5th flr, others went to science center on the 4th flr and did (virtual machine) cp40/cms
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP-40
Comeau's cp40 paper
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/cp40seas1982.txt
which morphs into (virtual machine) cp67/cms (and later into vm370)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP/CMS
above also mentions early spin-offs of science center started offerring commercial, online (virtual-machine) cp67/cms based services ... was also some of the early 7x24 work .... including non-disruptive migration between systems in loosely-coupled configurations in support of requirement to take systems down for hardware maintenance. past posts mentioning commercial, online virtual-machine based service
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#timeshare

and then there was ms/dos
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-DOS
before ms/dos there was seattle computer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Computer_Products
and before seattle computer there was cp/m
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP/M
and before cp/m, kildall worked on cp67/cms at npg school (gone 404 but lives on at wayback machine)
http://web.archive.org/web/20071011100440/http://www.khet.net/gmc/docs/museum/en_cpmName.html
npg reference
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Postgraduate_School

also used by institutions needed high-integrity, high-security, online access ... gone 404 but (also) lives on at the wayback machine
http://web.archive.org/web/20090117083033/http://www.nsa.gov/research/selinux/list-archive/0409/8362.shtml

Grid Computing; Hook enough computers together and what do you get? A new kind of utility that offers supercomputer processing on tap.
http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/401444/grid-computing/

from above:
Back in the 1980s, the National Science Foundation created the NSFnet: a communications network intended to give scientific researchers easy access to its new supercomputer centers. Very quickly, one smaller network after another linked in-and the result was the Internet as we now know it. The scientists whose needs the NSFnet originally served are barely remembered by the online masses.

... snip ...

since also morphed into cloud computing

as I've periodically mentioned, tcp/ip is the technology basis for the modern internet, nsfnet backbone was the operational basis for the modern internet and cix was the business basis for the modern internet.

originally we were to get $20M to tie together the NSF supercomputer centers, then congress cuts the budget and a few other things happened, finally NSF released an RFP. Internal politics prevents us from bidding on the RFP. The director of NSF tries to help by writing the company a letter (copying the CEO) ... but that just makes the internal politics worse (as does references like what we already have running is at least five years ahead of all RFP responses).

misc. past NSFNET related email
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#nsfnet

past posts mentioning NSFNET
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#nsfnet

And early "GRID" computing ... some old email
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#medusa

working with both the national labs as well as commercial for large number of processors in large number of racks. Within hrs after the last email in above (end Jan1992) ... the cluster scaleup was transferred and we were told we couldn't work on anything with more than four processors. Within a couple weeks, it was then announced as supercomputer for numerical intensive and scientific *ONLY* ... old press from 17Feb1992
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#6000clusters1
to add insult to injury ... 11May1992, interest in cluster caught company by *surprise*
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#6000clusters2

more archeological trivia

old email about doing vm/4341 LLNL benchmark, they were looking at getting 70 systems for compute farm ... sort of early GRID-computing precursor and alternative to large monolithic supercomputers.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006y.html#email790220

the big explosion in vm/4341 systems was also major reason that the internal network passed 1000 nodes in 1983 ... old post with list of corporate locations that had one or more new nodes added during 1983
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006k.html#8
other old email about the 1983 1000 node event
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006k.html#email830422

co-worker at the science center responsible for the internal network technology (internal network larger than the arpanet/internet from just about the beginning until sometime late '85 or early '86)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edson_Hendricks
also used for the univ. bitnet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BITNET

past posts mentioning internal network
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#internalnet
past posts mentioning bitnet
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#bitnet

post with reference to commercial cluster scaleup meeting in Ellison's conference room early Jan1992 (before cluster scaleup was transferred and we were told we couldn't work on anything with more than four processors)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/95.html#13

two people in that meeting later leave and join a small silicon valley client/server startup. after cluster scaleup transfers and we are told we can't work on anything with more than four processors, we also decide to leave. We are later brought in as consultants to the client/server startup because they want to do payment transactions on the server; the startup had also invented some technology they call "SSL" they want to use. We work on mapping "SSL" technology to the payment transaction business processes ... some people may recognize it; it is now frequently called "electronic commerce".

past posts mentioning ha/cmp
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hacmp

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A Brief History of Cloud Computing

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: A Brief History of Cloud Computing
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 15:25:54 -0400
A Brief History of Cloud Computing
http://blog.softlayer.com/2013/virtual-magic-the-cloud/

I posted some comments (currently awaiting moderation) and x-posted reference to linkedin Old Geek (with comments)
http://lnkd.in/MbiakK

also archived here
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#3 A Brief History of Cloud Computing

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What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 16:30:15 -0400
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#83 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#86 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#87 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#1 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#2 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?

other bizarre

The Super Rich and The Inverse Ratio of Political Power
http://johnhively.wordpress.com/2013/09/03/the-super-rich-and-the-inverse-ration-of-political-power/

400 taxpayers with highest incomes, 1992-2007, avg income up 392%, average tax rate down 37%

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spacewar

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: spacewar
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 17:20:25 -0400
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> writes:
Didn't you already have a culture of lying with fitness reports? If you wrote honest fitness reports you would destroy the careers of your subordinates, so you had to inflate the ratings if you wanted to be fair to them.

DOD, where the coffee is strong, the recruiting posters are good looking and all of the officers are above average.


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#0 spacewar

in "The Path to Victory" ... there was so much on fitreps/OERs, it was hard to choose ... one example loc2807-9:
As before, OERs became excessively inflated as raters and senior raters tried to protect their subordinates by giving them the best possible ratings. In many cases they did not possess the moral to give subordinates an honest evaluation. This was compounded by a decision not to replace the eighth version of the OER at the beginning of the drawdown.

and loc5428-30:
During the campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan, promotion rates to major were above 90%, sometimes up to 99%, with the force making remarks such as "leave no captain behind" or "to not get promoted to major means you committed a felony, otherwise, everyone gets promoted."

... snip ...

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What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 22:39:45 -0400
Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> writes:
Hey, you can be pretty thick headed too. Lynn says Barney wasn't involved. Isn't that good enough for you? He even contributed some cites.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#86 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#87 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#1 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#2 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#5 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?

i didn't exactly say Barney wasn't involved ... however there was $27T done through wallstreet ... not the GSEs and unrelated to Barney's time as committee chairman.

Buffett was the largest fannie mae shareholder in 2000 and then got completely out of GSEs (claims were because of their accounting methods ... cooking the books to make stock price better to give top executives bigger bonuses). fannie mae fined $400M and the top executive replaced

CBS had segment in the early part of the last decade that Fannie had more lobbyists on its payroll than employees. There were claims that everybody that was in way connected to current or former members of congress as well as all former members of congress ... were all automatically offerred $20k/annum lobbying retainer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fannie_Mae

from above
Then in 2003-2004, the subprime mortgage crisis began.[31] The market shifted away from regulated GSE's and radically toward Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS) issued by unregulated private-label securitization conduits, typically operated by investment banks.

... snip ...

however above doesn't mention the $400M fine
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/24/AR2006052400631_pf.html
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/industries/banking/2006-05-22-fannie-mae_x.htm

GSEs had lots of mortgages that predated the $27T in triple-A rated toxic CDOs done through wallstreet ... and there was lots of collateral damage in the real-estate market with the crash.

Barny became committee chairman just as the economic mess was starting to break ... so he could have hardly caused the problem from his chairman position ... and lots of the economic mess fraud didn't even come under the scope of his committee
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_Frank

in fact, above account has his tenure as committee chaiman promoting strong reform ... and Barney isn't even on time's list of 25 responsible.

as previously mentioned there is enormous amount of obfuscation and misdirection away from the parties responsible ... as well as lots of money been paid to people to help with the obfuscation and misdirection

not to say that other wrong doing should be condoned ... but hundreds of millions or a few billion, won't even show up as a blip on the $27T problem.
Evil Wall Street Exports Boomed With 'Fools' Born to Buy Debt
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&refer=home&sid=a0jln3.CSS6c

the GSE cooking the books is similar to ENRON&WORLDCOM scenario to increase executive bonuses
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#enron
that Sarbanes-Oxley was suppose to fix.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#sarbanes-oxley

However, Sarbanes-Oxley depended on SEC for enforement ... but SEC is at top of list of "captured" regulatory agencies ... and the head of SEC last decade is #4 on time's list of those responsible for the financial mess. Seen on the internet: ENRON was dry run and worked so well that it has become institutionalized

GAO apparently didn't even think SEC was doing anything and started doing reports of public company fraudulent financial filings ... which Sarbanes-Oxley was claimed to guarantee that the executives and auditors would do jail time (assuming SEC was enforcing Sarbanes-Oxley). The GAO reports that there was even uptic in public company fraudulent financial filings after Sarbanes-Oxley ... and nobody is doing jail time.
http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-03-395R
http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-06-678
http://www.gao.gov/special.pubs/gao-06-1079sp/

past posts mentioning fannie
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#25 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008e.html#59 independent appraisers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008k.html#1 dollar coins
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008k.html#9 dollar coins
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008k.html#19 dollar coins
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008k.html#44 SEC bans illegal activity then permits it
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008k.html#71 Cormpany sponsored insurance
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#75 Fraud due to stupid failure to test for negative
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#76 When risks go south: FM&FM to be nationalized
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#77 Fraud due to stupid failure to test for negative
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#78 When risks go south: FM&FM to be nationalized
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#85 Fraud due to stupid failure to test for negative
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#0 Blinkylights
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#2 Blinkylights
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#10 Blinkylights
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#78 Isn't it the Federal Reserve role to oversee the banking system??
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008o.html#43 The human plague
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#2 Opinions on the 'Unix Haters' Handbook
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#81 Happy DEC-10 Day
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#32 Idiotic programming style edicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#33 Idiotic programming style edicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#35 Idiotic programming style edicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#40 Idiotic programming style edicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#42 Productivity And Bubbles
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011n.html#57 The Mortgage Crisis---Some Inside Views
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011o.html#37 Civilization, doomed?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011o.html#38 Civilization, doomed?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011o.html#60 Civilization, doomed?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011p.html#28 The men who crashed the world
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011p.html#41 The men who crashed the world
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011p.html#92 Bank Failures Cost $88 Billion
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012.html#21 Zombie Banks
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012.html#72 Chris Dodd's SOPA crusading
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012c.html#5 Too big not to fail
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012c.html#45 Fannie, Freddie Charge Taxpayers For Legal Bills
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012c.html#54 PC industry is heading for more change
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012d.html#11 PC industry is heading for more change
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012d.html#39 Fannie and Freddie must go - here's how
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012g.html#22 Psychology Of Fraud: Why Good People Do Bad Things
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012m.html#50 General Mills computer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012m.html#56 General Mills computer

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What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 09:35:18 -0400
jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
Barney had no intention of doing that; it doesn't sound liek the Democrat _leadership_ has any intention of fixing the problems.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#86 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#87 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#1 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#2 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#5 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#7 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?

my periodic claim that all of what appears to be going on in congress is Kabuki Theater ... including what appears to be conflict between the two parties ... which contributes to increasing the funds flowing into their pockets and tends to keep the public's attention distracted
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#kabuki.theater
particularly the 1603-1629 period
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabuki

all of congress fiddled while the economy burned ... but early upthread as to those having having proportionate responsibility ... see the previously referenced times list for the top 25. As mentioned the president while this was all happening, was the son of the person in the 1980s administration that was point person for removal of regulation and oversight resulting in the looting of the S&Ls and his brother was major figure in one of the large S&L lootings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savings_and_loan_crisis#Silverado_Savings_and_Loan

As for Frank ... the wiki page has his post-congress wealth at between $619,024 and $1,510,000 ... and not on any industry payroll at some enormously inflated salary (like many of the major players in the economic mess).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_Frank
above references #6 on times list of those responsible, characterized Barney as deal maker with the republicans ... which would have drastically cut the ability to do anything
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877341,00.html

As I'm prone to comment there is enormous obfuscation and misdirection going on regarding the economic mess, including tieing up lots of economists to spin the story
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_Job_(2010_film)

I've also mentioned that Jan2009, I was asked to HTML'ize the Pecora hearings (scanned the fall2008 at Boston Public Library, senate hearings into the crash of '29, resulting in Glass-Steagall) with loads of internal x-refs and lots of URLs between what happened this time and what happened then (some expectation that the new congress had the fortitude to do something). After working on it for some time, I got a call saying that it wouldn't be needed after all (references to enormous piles of wallstreet money blanketing capital hill). past posts mentioning Pecora hearings &/or Glass-Steagall
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#Pecora&/orGlass-Steagall

I've mentioned before early in the economy crashing, there was article out of the wharton business school referencing an estimate of 1000 responsible and it would go a long way to correcting the situation if the gov. could figure out how to remove them from their positions (which has yet to happen). URL has periodically gone 404 &/or behind paywall but is at wayback machine:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080606084328/http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article.cfm?articleid=1933
past references to the wharton business school article
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#32 independent appraisers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#44 Fixing finance
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#52 IBM CEO's remuneration last year ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#66 independent appraisers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008h.html#89 Credit Crisis Timeline
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#4 A Merit based system of reward -Does anybody (or any executive) really want to be judged on merit?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#67 Do you have other examples of how people evade taking resp. for risk
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#73 CROOKS and NANNIES: what would Boyd do?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#77 CROOKS and NANNIES: what would Boyd do?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#79 The Credit Crunch: Why it happened?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#85 Banks' Demise: Why have the Governments hired the foxes to mend the chicken runs?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#1 Are Both The U.S. & UK on the brink of debt disaster?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#11 Amid Economic Turbulence, Mainframes Counter IT Cost-Cutting Trend
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#18 Barbless
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#25 The recently revealed excesses of John Thain, the former CEO of Merrill Lynch, while the firm was receiving $25 Billion in TARP funds makes me sick
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#36 A great article was posted in another BI group: "To H*** with Business Intelligence: 40 Percent of Execs Trust Gut"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#49 US disaster, debts and bad financial management
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#53 Credit & Risk Management ... go Simple ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#54 In your opinion, which facts caused the global crise situation?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#11 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#28 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#38 People to Blame for the Financial Crisis
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#39 'WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE GLOBAL MELTDOWN'
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#3 Congress Set to Approve Pay Cap of $500,000
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#35 Architectural Diversity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#20 What is the real basis for business mess we are facing today?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#27 US banking Changes- TARP Proposl
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#35 US banking Changes- TARP Proposl
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#38 On whom or what would you place the blame for the sub-prime crisis?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#54 The 2010 Census
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#22 In the News: SEC storms the 'Castle'
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#40 Who is Really to Blame for the Financial Crisis?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#38 Idiotic programming style edicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#40 On Protectionism
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#74 The first personal computer (PC)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#73 computer bootlaces
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#74 computer bootlaces
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011n.html#48 The men who crashed the world
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011p.html#31 21st Century Management approach?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012.html#17 What's your favorite quote on "accountability"?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012g.html#22 Psychology Of Fraud: Why Good People Do Bad Things
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012g.html#77 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#53 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012p.html#55 Search Google, 1960:s-style
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012p.html#64 IBM Is Changing The Terms Of Its Retirement Plan, Which Is Frustrating Some Employees
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#4 HSBC's Settlement Leaves Us In A Scary Place
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#73 Why DOJ Deemed Bank Execs Too Big To Jail

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What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 10:27:11 -0400
Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> writes:
It seems to me that the the mortgage crises was playing by the current practices when the lending institutions had there investment covered by rising property values often 95% and more mortgages where completely covered. They didn't need to check borrowers very much because if they defaulted the lending institutions had a property that they would still make money on. They had so much security that they could bundle mortgages with risky loans and sell the package.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#86 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#87 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#1 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#2 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#5 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#7 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#8 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?

the mortgage market used to be regulated depository institutions using deposits to make the loans and their profit was from the regular mortgage payments and they had interest in loan quality and borrower's qualifications.

as referenced here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fannie_Mae

from above
Then in 2003-2004, the subprime mortgage crisis began.[31] The market shifted away from regulated GSE's and radically toward Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS) issued by unregulated private-label securitization conduits, typically operated by investment banks.

... snip ...

in the oct2008 congressional hearings into the pivotal role that the rating agencies played ... there was description about how radically the market changed.

unregulated, non-depository loan originators securitize no-documentation, liar loans, pay the rating agencies for triple-A ratings on the toxic CDOs, and immediately sell them off through wallstreet. past posts mentioning toxic CDOs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#toxic.cdo

securitized mortgages had seen limited use during the S&L crisis to obfuscate fraudulent mortgages ... but w/o the triple-A rating, there was limited market. In the late 90s, we were asked to look at improving the integrity of the supporting documents in securitized mortgages. a long-winded discussion by one of the attendees at a jan1999 workshop that tandem/compaq put on for us
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay3.htm#riskm

however, by being able to pay for triple-A rating (when both the sellers and the rating agencies knew they weren't worth triple-A ... from oct2008 congressional hearing testimony) ... the unregulated, non-depository loan originators could immediately sell everything off regardless of borrower's qualifications and/or loan quality (triple-A rating trumps supporting documentation ... and w/o supporiting documents, there is no longer issue of supporting documentation integrity). one of the aspects of being able to pay for the triple-A rating is it opened up the market to institutions restricted to dealing in only SAFE investments ... like large soveriegn and retirement funds (some of the recent fluff around solvency of large retirement funds could be partially obfuscation and misdirection away from the triple-A rated toxic CDOs they hold).

The mortgage market morphed from profit on the mortgage payments to the skim, commissions, and fees on the loans transactions ... motivating maximizing the size of the loans done as fast as possible (w/o any other consideration). NOBODY originating the loans cared anymore ... they were only focused on making loans as fast as possible and as large as possible ... and NOBODY in wallstreet cared (wallstreet tripled in size as percent of GDP ... on the massive influx of these new transactions).

note that the lack of supporting documentation more recently results in the robo-signing fraud ... fraudulent manufacturing of supporting documents as part of foreclosur process.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_foreclosure_crisis

some recent news ... fines in the billions for robo-signing fraud ... being viewed as cost of doing business ... since it is trivial precent of the amount involved (and lots of pushback on making the fines actually compareable to amounts involved)
http://dailybail.com/home/wrist-slap-justice-dept-settles-robo-signing-fraud-case.html
some battle to keep from holding guilty seriously accountable
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2013/03/25/ny-court-reinstates-foreclosure-chides-judge-for-robosigning-sanctions/

there then is gov. regulatory agencies requiring reviews of the robo-signing fraud by the institutions to see if any of the mortgage holders were harmed ... and allowed the institutions to hire and run the reviews ... which unsurpisingly found almost no harm (obfuscation and misdirection away from the outright robo-signing fraud which could no longer be covered up ... and trying to convert it into case of whether the robo-signing fraud harmed anybody). A major player in the reviews was company that had almost no experience in mortgages but had lots of former officials from gov. regulatory agencies. The litney of misconduct and fraud seems to never stop.

recent posts mentioning continued fraud during foreclosure process as well as fraid in the review process looking to see if anybody was harmed
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#41 More Whistleblower Leaks on Foreclosure Settlement Show Both Suppression of Evidence and Gross Incompetence
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#73 More Whistleblower Leaks on Foreclosure Settlement Show Both Suppression of Evidence and Gross Incompetence
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#16 More Whistleblower Leaks on Foreclosure Settlement Show Both Suppression of Evidence and Gross Incompetence
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#27 More Whistleblower Leaks on Foreclosure Settlement Show Both Suppression of Evidence and Gross Incompetence
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#30 Email Trails Show Bankers Behaving Badly
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#36 More Whistleblower Leaks on Foreclosure Settlement Show Both Suppression of Evidence and Gross Incompetence
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#38 Adair Turner: A New Debt-Free Money Advocate
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#44 Adair Turner: A New Debt-Free Money Advocate
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#46 Bankers Who Made Millions In Housing Boom Misled Investors: Study
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#47 More Whistleblower Leaks on Foreclosure Settlement Show Both Suppression of Evidence and Gross Incompetence
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#64 More Whistleblower Leaks on Foreclosure Settlement Show Both Suppression of Evidence and Gross Incompetence
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#6 More Whistleblower Leaks on Foreclosure Settlement Show Both Suppression of Evidence and Gross Incompetence
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#18 WhistleWatch -- Blog Archive -- Former Top Federal Whistleblower Protector Scott Bloch, Esq. Pleads Guilty to Destruction of Government Property
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#19 More Whistleblower Leaks on Foreclosure Settlement Show Both Suppression of Evidence and Gross Incompetence
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#43 More Whistleblower Leaks on Foreclosure Settlement Show Both Suppression of Evidence and Gross Incompetence
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#58 More Whistleblower Leaks on Foreclosure Settlement Show Both Suppression of Evidence and Gross Incompetence
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#4 Live-Blogging Senate Hearing Tomorrow, When J.P. Morgan Chase Will Be Torn a New One
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#31 Bank Whistleblower Claims Retaliation And Wrongful Termination
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#77 More Whistleblower Leaks on Foreclosure Settlement Show Both Suppression of Evidence and Gross Incompetence
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#42 More Whistleblower Leaks on Foreclosure Settlement Show Both Suppression of Evidence and Gross Incompetence
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#12 More Whistleblower Leaks on Foreclosure Settlement Show Both Suppression of Evidence and Gross Incompetence

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What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 10:35:28 -0400
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
as referenced here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fannie_Mae

Then in 2003-2004, the subprime mortgage crisis began.[31] The market shifted away from regulated GSE's and radically toward Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS) issued by unregulated private-label securitization conduits, typically operated by investment banks.

... snip ...


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#9 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?

and as this references ... there was over $27T done via this mechanism ... which totally dwarfs everything else.
Evil Wall Street Exports Boomed With 'Fools' Born to Buy Debt
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&refer=home&sid=a0jln3.CSS6c

and being able to pay for the triple-A rating eliminated anybody having to care about borrower's qualifications and loan quality ... enabling the no-documentation, liar loans.

past posts in this thread
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#86 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#87 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#1 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#2 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#5 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#7 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#8 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#9 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?

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What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 15:15:17 -0400
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> writes:
There are criminals in any political party that I know of. That does not mean that a randomly selected member of one of those parties is a crook.

For the record, corruption is as bipartisan as hypocrisy[1] and nest feathering. You think that Democrats and Republicans hate each other? Well, watch carefully when there is a stealth enhancement of their benefits, and you will see more bipartisan coöperation than you can stomach.

[1] Both parties pretended to be outraged by conditions in the hosapital annex, but they had been discussing the issue for years and only cared when it hit the front page.


we were brought in to the head staffer on the congressional VA committee to talk about the billions of dollars in failed dataprocessing reengineering projects ... turns out it was the same time that a anthrax envelope was delivered down the hall ... we didn't learn about it until the next day.

all the beltway bandits part of the Success Of Failure culture find that series of failures is more profitable than immediate success (not limited to MICC).
http://www.govexec.com/excellence/management-matters/2007/04/the-success-of-failure/24107/
and past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#success.of.failure
posts mentioning micc
http://www.garilc.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex

we offered that we would work on the problems for free in the interests of veterans ... then somebody made reference about that being some of the most threatening words that can be said in washington (there are way too many beltway bandits with heavy financial vested interests in the existing status quo)

as an aside, we did consult for free on the 2000 census ... complete replacement of 20yr old dataprocessing backend equipment. a couple past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008d.html#63 was: 1975 movie "Three Days of the Condor" tech stuff
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008f.html#92 Billion-dollar IT failure at Census Bureau
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#21 The 2010 Census
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#56 Handling multicore CPUs; what the competition is thinking
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012b.html#56 What's the most interesting thing you do in your non-work life?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012k.html#87 Cultural attitudes towards failure

recent posts in this thread:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#32 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#34 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#35 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#38 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#41 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#43 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#45 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#51 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#54 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#55 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#63 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#64 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#67 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#69 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#70 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#71 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#73 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#83 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#86 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#87 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#1 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#2 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#5 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#7 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#8 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#9 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#10 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?

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spacewar

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: spacewar
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2013 08:29:42 -0400
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
telnet www.cern.ch

I've mentioned before ... first webserver in the US on slac's vm370 system:
http://www.slac.stanford.edu/history/earlyweb/history.shtml

for other archaeological trivia ... more details
http://lnkd.in/MbiakK
also here:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#3 A Brief History of Cloud Computing

we were doing a lot of work out of location just behind page mill in palo alto ... sort of ground zero.

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Jack Lew Shows His True Colors By Forcing Deregulation of Derivatives on the CFTC

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From: lynn@garlic.com
Subject:  Jack Lew Shows His True Colors By Forcing Deregulation of Derivatives on the CFTC
Date: 05 Sep 2013
Blog: Google+
re:
https://plus.google.com/102794881687002297268/posts/E43oxxd6pg8

Jack Lew Shows His True Colors By Forcing Deregulation of Derivatives on the CFTC
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/09/david-dayen-jack-lew-shows-his-true-colors-by-forcing-deregulation-of-derivatives-on-the-cftc.html

previously forcing derivatives being unregulated helped earn #2 position on time's list of those responsible
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877330,00.html

#2 on times list of those responsible for economic mess, had help from his wife in keeping derivatives unregulated

Gramm and the 'Enron Loophole'
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/17/business/17grammside.html

from above:
Enron was a major contributor to Mr. Gramm's political campaigns, and Mr. Gramm's wife, Wendy, served on the Enron board, which she joined after stepping down as chairwoman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission.

... snip ...

Phil Gramm's Enron Favor
http://www.villagevoice.com/2002-01-15/news/phil-gramm-s-enron-favor/

from above:
A few days after she got the ball rolling on the exemption, Wendy Gramm resigned from the commission. Enron soon appointed her to its board of directors, where she served on the audit committee, which oversees the inner financial workings of the corporation. For this, the company paid her between $915,000 and $1.85 million in stocks and dividends, as much as $50,000 in annual salary, and $176,000 in attendance fees,

... snip ...

Greenspan Slept as Off-Books Debt Escaped Scrutiny
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&refer=home&sid=aYJZOB_gZi0I

from above:
That same year Greenspan, Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin and SEC Chairman Arthur Levitt opposed an attempt by Brooksley Born, head of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, to study regulating over-the-counter derivatives. In 2000, Congress passed a law keeping them unregulated.

... snip ...

Brooksley was fairly quickly replaced by Wendy Gramm as head of Commodity Futures Trading Commission, before Wendy then resigned to join Enron's board.

past posts mentioning Enron
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#enron

more derivatives: Larry Summers and the System; Making the World Safe for Banksters
http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/09/05/making-the-world-safe-for-banksters/
Former Senior White House Official On Larry Summers Nomination: 'It Really Does Need To Be Stopped'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/04/larry-summers_n_3862577.html
Here's what Larry Summers would do at the Fed
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/04/heres-what-larry-summers-would-do-at-the-fed/
Seven Reasons to Fight Obama on Picking Out-of-Touch Crony Capitalist Larry Summers as Fed Chair
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/09/lynn-parramore-seven-reasons-to-fight-obama-on-picking-out-of-touch-crony-capitalist-larry-summers-as-fed-chair.html

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What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2013 16:33:10 -0400
jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
He had problems in previous years which would have cost pots of money. If he isn't rich then he's an idealist; that's more dangerous because he would then have 100% reality filter.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#86 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#1 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#7 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#8 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?

those pots might be hundreds of millions or even billions ... the economic mess involved enormous pots involving large trillions ... you would need decades or centuries of those old size pots to do as much damage as was done the last decade in the economic mess.

part of the obfuscation and misdirection about the economic mess was allusions to the too-big-to-fail being *people* and they wouldn't do things that weren't in their own best interests. however, many of the individuals in the too-big-to-fail were sociopaths and the personal skim, fees, and commissions off the triple-A rated toxic CDOs were so large that it more than took care of any possible concern they might have regarding the damage to their corporation, the economy, and/or the country (the individual actions could take down their company but they would walk away with enormous pot of money and could move on to the next set of victims).

past posts mentioning too-big-to-fail
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail
past posts mentioning toxic CDOs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#toxic.cdo

other recent posts mentioning Frank (and/or Dodd-Frank bill):
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#62 Taleb On "Skin In The Game" And His Disdain For Public Intellectuals
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#70 Lotus 1-2-3 rebooted: My trip back to the old (named) range
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#4 Libor Lies Revealed in Rigging of $300 Trillion Benchmark
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#71 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#73 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#45 What Makes bank regulation and insurance Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#86 How Wall Street Defanged Dodd-Frank

as an aside, keeping derivatives deregulated went a long way towards earning the #2 place on times list of those responsible for the economic mess (along with the help of his wife) ... current round ... along with further undermining Dodd-Frank:

Jack Lew Shows His True Colors By Forcing Deregulation of Derivatives on the CFTC
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/09/david-dayen-jack-lew-shows-his-true-colors-by-forcing-deregulation-of-derivatives-on-the-cftc.html

recent post on Google+ ... copy/archived here
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#13 Jack Lew Shows His True Colors By Forcing Deregulation of Derivatives on the CFTC

past posts mentioning Enron
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#enron

past posts about derivative gambling has exploded to hundreds of trillion dollar activity ... some estimates $1.2quadrillion
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011p.html#70 No One Telling Who Took $586B in Fed Swaps
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012.html#87 The PC industry is heading for collapse
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#5 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#45 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#58 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#64 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#29 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#60 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#76 Naked emperors, holy cows and Libor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#77 'Inexperienced' RBS tech operative's blunder led to banking meltdown
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#85 Naked emperors, holy cows and Libor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#94 Naked emperors, holy cows and Libor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012p.html#0 These Two Charts Show How The Priorities Of US Companies Have Gotten Screwed Up
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#28 Senator Sherrod Brown Drops a Bombshell in Mary Jo White's Hearing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#29 Bank Holiday In Cyprus
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#40 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#73 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#81 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#88 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#23 What Makes bank regulation and insurance Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#25 What Makes bank regulation and insurance Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#40 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#45 What Makes bank regulation and insurance Bizarre?

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spacewar

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: spacewar
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2013 19:47:34 -0400
Wayne Salamon <xenon@wsalamon.net> writes:
Even in "The Cloud" (ask 100 people what that means, get 110 answers), for many of those applications a lot of processing is done on the local end in the browser. On Apple's iCloud, you can drag/drop mail messages between folders; that isn't done on the server, but the movement of data is.

Yes, some Web applications are purely server driven, but with AJAX and other technologies, the application logic is split between the server and client. The code is sent to the client by the server so you always have the latest.

This is different than a TTY or terminal (graphics or otherwise) that most draws pixels. Yes, I'm aware that some terminals have more logic as well.


previously posted
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#4 A Brief History of Cloud Computing

and I got long-winded comments here:

A Brief History of Cloud Computing
http://blog.softlayer.com/2013/virtual-magic-the-cloud/

also archived:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#3 A Brief History of Cloud Computing
and copied here:
http://lnkd.in/MbiakK

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What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 10:22:18 -0400
jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
Of course. But pointing at them and even removing them isn't going to fix the problem if what they did was legal. They will only be replaced by people who have less moral fiber than those 1000. That's way life seems to work.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#8 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?

most of it wasn't legal ... while the original take-over of cit was in violation (illegal) of glass-steagall ... greespan granted an exemption ... while congress was lobbied to repeal glass-steagall ... creating too-big-to-fail. past posts mentioning glass-steagall
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#Pecora&/orGlass-Steagall

then very much of what they did was illegal ... but following the too-big-to-fail scenario (not declared insolvent and dissolved) ... they also became too-big-to-prosecute and too-big-to-jail ... not only for the extremely illegal activity in the real-estate market ... but it has also shown up when they've been caught money laundering for drug cartels and terrorists
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#money.laundering
as well as other things like manipulating benchmark rates (like LIBOR),
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#libor
using HFT to front-run the market (using information that nobody else has yet) ... recent mention HFT
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#10 What Makes Infrastructure investment not bizarre
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#12 What Makes Infrastructure investment not bizarre
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#50 IBM Furloughs U.S. Hardware Employees to Reduce Costs
and illegal naked short selling ... for a small list. old reference that there is wide-spread illegal activity on wallstreet but they have nothing to worry about from the regulatory agencies
http://nypost.com/2007/03/20/cramer-reveals-a-bit-too-much/

then there is the whole public company fraudulent reporting fraud
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#financial.reporting.fraud
that sarbanes-oxley was suppose to guarantee top executives and auditors would do jail time ... claim is that all of the too-big-to-fail ... as part of various financial manipulations ... fiddling their books ... also violated sarbanes-oxley ... but it isn't just the too-big-to-fail that aren't doing jail time ... it is long list of others. misc. past posts mentioning sarbanes-oxley
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#sarbanes-oxley
and Enron
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#enron

the lack of regulatory and prosecution failing to do anything ... also came up in the congressional Madoff hearings by the person that had tried unsuccesfully for a decade to get SEC to do something about Madoff ... note SEC was finally forced to do something when Madoff turned himself in
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#madoff

it is similar/analogous to the recent illegal tax evasion discussion ... that even tho enormous amounts of money have been poured into congress to changes the laws so all sorts of tax activities are no longer illegal ... it didn't stop the enormous ongoing activity in the remaining activities that are still illegal.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#19 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#26 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#32 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#38 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#64 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#71 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#73 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?

when there has been whistleblowers and investigative reporting that results in exposing the illegal activity coverups ... and it becomes public ... and no longer possible to coverup ... some of the cover agencies then admit that yes it was illegal & fraudulent and fine the parent company token amounts (considering the totally amounts involved). the individuals are rarely held responsible and nearly nobody does jail time ... lots of whislteblower refs ... but nobody doing jail time
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#9 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?

for instance in this scenario about the #2 on times list of those responsible ... with the help of his wife ... keeps derivatives from being regulated
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#13 Jack Lew Shows His True Colors By Forcing Deregulation of Derivatives on the CFTC

as soon as the law is passed, she resigns as chairman of CFTC and joins the ENRON board and is a member of the board audit committee overseeing ENRON's financials. It has been established that ENRON's financials were fraudulent ... but very few have been prosecuted and/or doing jail time.

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What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 13:15:41 -0400
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#8 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#16 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?

from today, would you believe even American Banker saying it

How Big-Bank Bucks Tip the Scales of Justice
http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20130906141950-33551920-how-big-bank-bucks-tip-the-scales-of-justice?trk=tod-home-art-list-large_0

from above:
Don't be surprised if what passes for the SEC's new model of toughness fails to get many shady financiers shaking in their wing-tips. Perhaps it's a model whose sense can only be divined by a lawyer who's made a round trip through the Washington-Wall Street revolving door--a lawyer, that is, like the SEC's newly appointed chairwoman, Mary Jo White.

... snip ...

the above references

Transcript: Attorney General Eric Holder on 'Too Big to Jail'
http://www.americanbanker.com/issues/178_45/transcript-attorney-general-eric-holder-on-too-big-to-jail-1057295-1.html
Can Regulators that Spawned TBTF Banks End TBTF?
http://www.americanbanker.com/bankthink/can-regulators-that-spawned-tbtf-banks-end-tbtf-1058080-1.html
Schapiro's Promontory Move Latest Sign of Too Much Coziness
http://www.americanbanker.com/bankthink/schapiros-promontory-move-latest-signal-of-too-much-coziness-1057980-1.html

as an aside ... promontory plays prominent role in the evaluation whether the foreclosures involving fraudulent robo-signing documents harmed those being foreclosed ... and found little or no harm ... but then some whistleblowers come forth with what was really was going on ... and still little or nothing has happened
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#9 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?

other refs besides those sighted in the whistleblower threads (just about every too-big-to-fail heavily involved in the robo-signing document fraud then hired promontory):

Regulatory Looting, Promontory-Style: Botched Foreclosure Reviews Alone Generate More than Double Goldman's Revenues per Employee
http://batrdailybusinessreport.blogspot.com/2013/06/regulatory-looting-promontory-style.html
Bank of America Foreclosure Reviews: Why the OCC Overlooked "Independent" Reviewer Promontory's Keystone Cops Act (Part VB)
http://stopforeclosurefraud.com/2013/02/11/bank-of-america-foreclosure-reviews-why-the-occ-overlooked-independent-reviewer-promontorys-keystone-cops-act-part-vb/
Insider Says Promontory's OCC Foreclosure Reviews for Wells are Frauds. Brought to You by HUD Sec. Donovan By Abigail Field, a freelance writer and attorney who blogs at Reality Check Foreclosure Fraud - Fighting Foreclosure Fraud
http://4closurefraud.org/2012/02/27/abigail-field-insider-says-promontorys-occ-foreclosure-reviews-for-wells-are-frauds-brought-to-you-by-hud-sec-donovan-by-abigail-field-a-freelance-writer-and-attorney-who-blogs-at-reali/
Foreclosures (2012 Robosigning and Mortgage Servicing Settlement)
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/f/foreclosures/index.html
Is BofA's Foreclosure Review Really Independent? You Be the Judge
http://www.propublica.org/article/is-bofas-foreclosure-review-really-independent-you-be-the-judge
Settling The Foreclosure Reviews: Winners And Losers
http://www.forbes.com/sites/francinemckenna/2013/01/08/settling-the-foreclosure-reviews-winners-and-losers/

too big to fail, too big to prosecute, too big to jail
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail

one of the comments in the probe of money laundering for drug cartels and terrorists ... is that the too big to fail should be broken up ... so the next time they are caught in illegal activity, they can be prosecuted and jailed ... and the institution dissolved (as per the law).
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#money.laundering

time for a new motto ... the crimes that never stop paying or the crimes that continue to pay or crime DOES pay

other recent posts in this thread:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#1 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#2 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#5 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#7 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#10 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#11 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#14 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?

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A Brief History of Cloud Computing

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From: lynn@garlic.com
Subject: A Brief History of Cloud Computing
Date: 07 Sep 2013
Blog: Facebook
A Brief History of Cloud Computing
http://blog.softlayer.com/2013/virtual-magic-the-cloud/

other recent History of Cloud Computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#3 A Brief History of Cloud Computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#4 A Brief History of Cloud Computing

looks same as panel shown for 155 in ga22-6942 155 funcchar manual at bitsavers.
http://wwww.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/370/funcChar/GA22-6942-1_370-155_funcChar_Jan71.pdf

trivia .. science center got 370/155 to replace 360/67 and to move from cp67 to vm370 (note a version had long previously been ported to 370 ... it was done as part of effort that had 370 virtual machines simulated under cp67 (on real 360/67) and was running regularly a year before 370 engineering model w/virtual memory was operational (turns out this was joint effort between science center and endicott and used vnet for distributed development).

I did a lot of performance benchmarking offshift on the machine ... and in order to simulate the throughput of 370/145 unlatched the front panel, swung it opened and there was switch on backside that disabled the cache ... which resulted in nearly same throughput as 145. past posts mentioning benchmarking
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#benchmark

There is quote in Melinda's VM history about Atlas not working well .. the research I've done is that Atlas didn't have hardware address space identifier ... it was primarily designed to run program with address space larger than real memory ... multitasking & multiple address spaces implied complete swap. reference
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#82 Multiple Virtual Memory

the virtual memory hardware mods to 360/40 were more like 801/risc inverted tables with each real page tagged with a virtual address space identifier and a virtual page number (and a control register with the active virtual address space id). CP40 morphed into CP67 with the availability of 360/67 ... which had hardware segment/page tables and the address of the active virtual address space segment table loaded into control register.
http://www.leeandmelindavarian.com/Melinda/

There was joke about a lot of 360/67s that didn't exist being shipped to the dept of agriculture address somewhere in the midwest.

There has been lots of discussion that MVT/TSO wasn't technically timesharing ... it was online terminal support under os/360 (time sharing option was gross misnomer). As undergraduate in the 60s I had modified HASP to support 2741&TTY terminals and did an editor that supported CMS context editor syntax .... that predated TSO and I considered superior to TSO.

Initial work porting MVT to 370 virtual memory environment for OS/VS2 was single virtual address space (i.e. MVT laid out in 16mbyte virtual address space). By far the biggest code hit was adding ccw translation to EXCP processing (i.e. channel programs passed by applications via SVC0) ... similar to what CP67 had to do for running virtual machines .... in fact Ludlow borrowed the CP67 routine CCWTRANS and cribbed it into EXCP processing. OS/VS2 enhancement for multiple virtual address spaces (aka MVS) came later.

This is post in long-winded past thread about Future System and MVS ... high level staffer in POK at the time sent me the additional detail offline:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#73 Multiple Virtual Memory

... other trivia ... in a prior life he had worked with my wife in the JES group on the port of ASP to JES3 ... this was before my wife was con'ed into going to POK to be in charge of loosely-coupled architecture. misc. past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#shareddata

disclaimer: facebook finds jpg file from previous post in the same file ... it is picture of my wife's father dagger board. towards the end of ww2, he was frequently ranking officer into enemy territory and was presented officer daggers during surrender ceremonies. the daggers and a whole lot of other ww2 material were stolen in a burglary (and never recovered)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#39 The first personal computer (PC)

Melinda's history has Cambridge trying to get a 360/50 to do the hardware modifications for virtual memory ... but all spare 50s were going to the FAA air traffic controller project ... so they had to settle for 360/40 for the hardware modifications. Claim was it turned out to be very fortunate since the 360/40 was much easier to modify than the 360/50 would have been. Cambridge had thought they would be the focal point for the time-sharing virtual memory effort being proposed for project Mac ... but it turns out it was a different group ... the one that was going to do TSS/360 ... and then IBM lost Project Mac to GE (for Multics). One of the comments was the TSS/360 was going full steam ahead w/o even knowing why Atlas wasn't performing well. And for a whole lot of reasons, TSS/360 didn't perform well, not just because they didn't understand why Atlas wasn't performing well.

As an undergraduate I was given responsibility for the univ OS/360 production system .... they had been one of the univ. con'ed into order 360/67 for TSS/360 ... but TSS/360 never quite made it to production level and so many places were running it as 360/65. I had the datacenter all to myself on the weekends to do whatever I wanted ... and after CP67 was delivered to the univ. last week of Jan1968 ... I got to play with it on weekends. The univ. library also got ONR grant to do a online catalog and part of the money went for 2321 datacell. The library project was also selected to be betatest site for the original CICS product and one of my duties was supporting and shooting CICS bugs.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#cics

TSO went thru standard OS/360 TCB scheduling and OS/360 allocation which were enormously heavy-weight operations. CICS came up as one large OS/360 task and did all its OS/360 allocation at startup ... from then on, everything was done via internal CICS lightweight operations ... with minimal reliance on OS/360. Because of its extremely lightweight support, it didn't have multiprocessor support or protection for different programs clobbering each other until relatively recently (this is similar to what I had done to adding terminal support to HASP ... which was even lighter weight support than CICS). At the turn of the century, there were large CICS installations running over 100 different concurrent instances of CICS on single CEC in order to compensate for lack of multiprocessor support and CICS application program isolation (each CICS instance was its own TCB and ACB) ...
http://web.archive.org/web/20090107054344/http://www.yelavich.com/history/ev200402.htm

and treated by MVS as a single large application program .... but as machine's got larger CICS didn't scale so customers were forced into using ever increasingly large number of CICS instances to compensate.
http://web.archive.org/web/20080123061613/http://www.yelavich.com/history/toc.htm

The Univ. had previously had 709 running ibsys monitor tape-to-tape with 1401 unit record front end (tapes manually moved between 709 tape drives to 1401 tape drives). Student fortran jobs ran less than second elapsed time. Initial move to os/360 ... student fortran jobs (as 3step fortgclg) ran over a minute elapsed time. That was reduced to a little over 30secs elapsed time when HASP was introduced. past posts mentioning hasp
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#hasp

I started doing manual STAGE2 os/360 sysgens ... I would take the output of stage1 SYSGEN (around 2000 cards) and manually reoder most of the statements to obtain careful placement of datasets and PDS members for optimal arm seek operation. I got nearly three fold improvement in elapsed time for student fortran jobs. It wasn't until the univ. installed WATFOR monitor from waterloo that student fortran jobs ran faster than 709 IBSYS. WATFOR monitor and CICS were similar ... came up as single step, large application ... and then ran for extended period of time doing everything internally with minimal use of os/360. Besides TCB scheduling being an extremely CPU intensive operation and poor performance OS/360 resource management relied on a huge number of transient SVC modules ... each 2kbyres or less that were sequentially loaded through the transient SVC area. DD card processing and OPEN/CLOSE were enormously expensive operations because of the large number of SVC modules that had to be sequentially loaded for every operation

The other problem was that OS/360 made extensive use of multi-track search for vtoc and pds directories ... which was a reasonable trade off between scarce real storage and i/o resources in the mid 60s ... in effect indexes that are kept cached in storage in modern systems were sequentially searched on disk ... tying up channel, controller, and disk ... by the mid-70s the trade-off had inverted ... real storage (for indexes) was becoming more plentiful and I/O resources becoming bottleneck (and CKD multi-track searches were becoming an enormous resource hog). Part of my undergraduate work with careful sysgens for disk arm placement also resulted in the highest use PDS members having their directory entries at the front of the directory ... minimizing multi-track search elapsed time.

In the late 70s, I was brought into large national retailers that had several large 370s in loosely-coupled configuration and CICS retail store application load was limited to 2/sec (across the whole complex for hundreds of stores) because it was taking two PDS directory mutli-track search operations, one 1/3sec elapsed time and one 1/6sec elapsed time (aka CICS could slow down enormously once it had to start dynamically loading applications on the fly). I offered the MVS support for FBA disks ... but was told that even ir it was fully integrated and tested ... I will needed to show a couple hundred million in incremental new disk sales to justify education and manual changes (and I couldn't use long-term lifecycle savings). Note that MVS still doesn't have FBA support even though real CKD disks haven't been manufactured for decades (simulated on FBA devices). past posts mentioning CKD multi-track search, FBA, etc
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#dasd

Other trivia, Charlie invented the compare&swap (name chosen because CAS are charlie's initials) instruction at the science center while working on fine grain multiprocessor locking for cp67. The attempt to get it included in 370 was rejected (the pok os/360 kernel group claimed that test&set ... for single global spin-lock, was more than adequate). The 370 architecture owners said that to get instruction justified, additional uses had to be defined ... thus was born the examples that still exist in principles of operation showing how large multi-thread/multi-programmed applications can use compare&swap for serialization ... regardless of whether running on single process or multiple processor. note lots of other platforms have also since implemented similar instructions that are heavily used by large DBMS implementation. past posts mentioning SMP and/or compare&swap
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#smp

the original SQL relational implementation was done on vm370 370/145 at san jose research as systeme/r. Technology transfer of system/r to endicott and release as sql/ds was possible "under the radar" because the corporation was focused on getting out the strategic DBMS "EAGLE". When "EAGLE" failed, they asked how fast could system/r be ported to MVS ... which eventually morphs into release of DB2 ... initially for analytics and design support only (not production transactions). misc. past posts mentioning system/r
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#systemr

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A Brief History of Cloud Computing

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From: lynn@garlic.com
Subject: A Brief History of Cloud Computing
Date: 08 Sep 2013
Blog: Facebook
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#18 A Brief History of Cloud Computing

other recent History of Cloud Computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#3 A Brief History of Cloud Computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#4 A Brief History of Cloud Computing

Note Ellison's history before forming Oracle at AMPEX ... working on project for certain 3letter agency (from which came the Oracle name).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Ellison

That 3letter agency was very active in SHARE ... much of their dataprocessing started with cp67 and moving to vm370. Also active on VMSHARE (computer conferencing provided for free to SHARE starting in Aug1976 by one the commercial online virtual machine service bureaus) ... their SHARE & VMSHARE ID being CAD (supposedly for cloak&dagger) ... vmshare archives
http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare/

also reference upthread
http://web.archive.org/web/20090117083033/http://www.nsa.gov/research/selinux/list-archive/0409/8362.shtml

Regarding reference to 1990 in Ellison wiki ... in silicon valley the news was that Oracle had agreed to effectively being bought by NIPPON STEEL and then backed out. The Oracle employees commenting that what saved the day was a corporate 6000 licenses done with SHELL OIL. As an aside, in 1991 when we were out marketing HA/CMP around the world ... Oracle sponsored customer call on SHELL at hdqtrs in europe and several other locations. We also had large HA/CMP booth at Oracle World held in Cannes ... this was before cluster scaleup was transferred and we were told we couldn't work on anything with more than 4 processors ... previous ref
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/95.html#13

past ha/cmp posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hacmp

Note one of the issues that may have contributed to cluster scaleup being transferred and then being announced as supercomputer for technical & scientific only ... was that mainframe DB2 group complaining that what we were doing with Oracle was at least five yrs ahead of them. We we working with both Ingres & Oracle on HA/CMP cluster scaleup. IBM didn't have an open platform DBMS with cluster support. Ingres & Oracle had cluster support for VAX/Cluster. Our work with Ingress & Oracle was to implement cluster support with minimum changes for their VAX/Cluster support ... but addressing/fixing all of the issues that they said were wrong with VAX/Cluster ... as well as addressing numerous scaleup issues.

other trivia: I had fixed things with TYMSHARE to get regular distribution of all the VMSHARE files to put up on internal machines .... including accessing over the internal network. One of the biggest problems was getting around objections that internal developers would be contaminated by exposure to customer statements. some old email
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#vmshare

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Teletypewriter Model 33

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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Subject: Re: Teletypewriter Model 33
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Date: 9 Sep 2013 07:52:16 -0700
john.archie.mckown@GMAIL.COM (John McKown) writes:
I used keypunches in college. I then graduated to a hardcopy terminal, but not a KSR-33 or ASR-33. The school had some really nice DECWriters for the non-IBM DEC System 20. And 2741s for the IBM. I adored the 2741s, which were basically an IBM Selectric typewriter with a serial interface. In college, we didn't use TSO. We used Wylber. It as actually a very nice system. Especially compared to punching cards (which often required punching out some other student who was keying in their program as they were developing it) and looking a paper output.

I actually did use an ASR-33 (KSR-33 with paper tape attachment) at TCU (Texas Christian University in Ft. Worth, TX) connected to some other computer in my senior high school year. Now that was a literal pain to key with. Talk about "hitting" the keys. That monster had very stiff keys and a long stroke to activate them.


lots of univ. were convinced to order 360/67 for running tss/360 ... but with tss/360 having horrible performance and not quite coming to production level ... many were just used as 360/65 for running os/360. However, a couple places wrote their own virtual memory operating systems, stanford did Orvyl ... as well as Wylber (later ported to os/360) and univ. of michigan did MTS ... which was later ported to 370 and saw some use at a number of univ.

science center had assumed they would get virtual memory effort ... but lost out to the new tss/360 group. however, the science center did get 360/40 and did their own hardware modifications and producing (virtual machine) cp40/cms ... which morphed into cp67/cms when 360/67 became available. past posts mentioning science center
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech

IBM recently shared this on Facebook ... which gets into tracing cloud computing back to the virtualization work at the science center blog.softlayer.com/2013/virtual-magic-the-cloud/

... I reshared and also posted to (linkedin) "Old Geeks" that got some more comments
http://lnkd.in/MbiakK
Mike then reshared on facebook and generated a lot more comments ... some of mine archived here
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#18
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#19

the science center installed cp67/cms at the univ last week jan1968 ... and I got to play with it on weekends. cp67/cms had support for 2741 and 1052 terminals ... including dynamic terminal type identification. the univ. had some number of tty/33 terminals and I added tty/ascii support ... including extending dynamic terminal type identification to include tty. I had wanted to extend this to have a single dialup phone number with common pool of number/ports for all terminals ("hunt group") ... however, there was a deficiency in the ibm terminal controller ... while it was possible to dynamically associate the type of line-scanner with any port ... it wasn't possible to change a ports line-speed (2741 & 1052 operated at same line-speed, but tty/33 was different line-speed).

this somewhat was behind the univ. deciding to start clone controller effort ... starting with interdata/3 minicomputer ... reverse engineer the 360 channel interface and build a board for the interdata/3 and program the interdate/3 to emulate ibm terminal controller ... but supporting both changing line-scanner on each port as well as dynamic line speed identification. four of us get written up as responsible for (some part of) clone controller business. some past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#360pcm

it morphed into an interdata/4 handling the channel interface with cluster of interdata/3 for line scanner function ... which interdata marketed as product. It continued to be marketed after interdata was bought under the Perkin-Elmer logo. I ran into one about a decade ago in large financial transaction datacenter handling much of the retail point-of-sale card swipe dial-up terminals on the east coast.

I also hacked HASP and added 2741 & TTY terminal support ... and implemented an editor with the CMS editor syntax (completely different code since the programming environments are so different) ... which I considered much better than TSO (circa os/360 MVT 18).

for other drift ... the rise of clone controllers is credited as the major motification behind the (failed) future system effort ... some past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys

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Teletypewriter Model 33

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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Subject: Re: Teletypewriter Model 33
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Date: 9 Sep 2013 08:13:45 -0700
barry@MXG.COM (Barry Merrill) writes:
You have not lived until you have used a Texas Instruments Silent 700 at 300 baud to watch a SAS PROC PLOT, when you can see each and every dot being laid down, and definitely not left to right nor top to bottom, and not speedily. That was my TSO access from home in 1976.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#20 Teletypewriter Model 33

other trivia about clone controller ... int early tests data transferred to 360 memory was all garbage ... turned out we overlooked that ibm controller line-scanner convention was leading bit went into low-order bit position in byte ... reversing the order of bits in each byte ... with mainframe translate tables handling the ascii<->ebcdic bit reversed byte convention (had initially transferred straight ascii rather than bit reversed ascii).

i got online 2741 at home starting in Mar1970 ... which was replaced with 300 baud CDI Miniterm the summer of 1977 (very similar to TI silent 700)
http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=636

old picture of desktop
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/miniterm2.jpg

home miniterm2


and
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/miniterm.jpg

home miniterm

the above also shows compact microfiche veiwer and a company business tieline. there was a microfiche printer that standard output could be routed to and get a couple hr delivery.

miniterm was followed by IBM 3101 "glass teletype" (initially 1200 baud)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/3101a.jpg

home 3101 src="3101a.jpg">


and
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/3101b.jpg

home 3101 src="3101b.jpg">

before getting ibm/pc
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/homepc.jpg

home/pc src="homepc.jpg">

old pictures
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#oldpicts

3101 was code-named topaz before announce ... some old posts mentioning topaz
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006y.html#0 Why so little parallelism?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007e.html#15 The Genealogy of the IBM PC
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007h.html#39 sizeof() was: The Perfect Computer - 36 bits?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#40 DEC and news groups
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#74 What do YOU call the # sign?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#37 Baudot code direct to computers?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#51 Baudot code direct to computers?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#22 IBM PC competitors
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#40 My "Green Screen" IBMLink is still working
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#66 A Complete History Of Mainframe Computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009s.html#0 tty
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#27 Happy DEC-10 Day
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#15 I actually miss working at IBM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012m.html#27 Singer Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#16 Unbuffered glass TTYs?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#24 spacewar

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Teletypewriter Model 33

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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Subject: Re: Teletypewriter Model 33
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Date: 9 Sep 2013 09:08:14 -0700
m42tom-ibmmain@YAHOO.COM (Tom Marchant) writes:
And in another post he mentioned MTS (Michigan Terminal System), written to run on the System/360 model 67.

In MTS the terminal driver was called TSFO. I've been told that its name was an acronym for Twenty Seven Forty One.

How about that for some worthless trivia?


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#20 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#21 Teletypewriter Model 33

even more trivia .... there has some recent discussion about ntp ... person responsible for ntp ... earlier at michigan & MTS
http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/gallery/gallery8.html
and involved in DEC-based termainal controller
http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/gallery/gallery7.html

some umich mts pages gone 404 but live on at wayback machine
http://web.archive.org/web/20050212073808/www.itd.umich.edu/~doc/Digest/0596/feat01.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20050212073808/www.itd.umich.edu/~doc/Digest/0596/feat02.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20050212183905/www.itd.umich.edu/~doc/Digest/0596/feat03.html

One of barriers to entry for Amdahl in the 70s was need for IBM system support ... so Amdahl saw a lot of uptake from the MTS community (which didn't need IBM system support).

Then there appeared a very large east coast financial "true blue" firm with huge football fields of IBM mainframes ... was indicating it was going to be the first "true blue" commercial firm to install Amdahl machine. I was quite familar with the customer and was asked to go onsite for six months ... as possible way of convincing customer to cancel the order. However, the customer had been horribly offended by the branch manager ... and was going to install the Amdahl machine regardless ... and my role onsite was pure obfuscation and misdirection. I refused to go, giving the reason. I was told I had to do it anyway or I could kiss goodby to any career in the company ... because the branch manager was good sailing buddy of the CEO and this would ruin his career (and the CEO would hold it against me).

Note this goes along with the description of what happened to corporate culture with the failure of Future System effort ... which was only a year or two earlier.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys

"Computer Wars: The Post-IBM World" Ferguson & Morris:
... and perhaps most damaging, the old culture under Watson Snr and Jr of free and vigorous debate was replaced with sycophancy and make no waves under Opel and Akers. It's claimed that thereafter, IBM lived in the shadow of defeat

... and:
But because of the heavy investment of face by the top management, F/S took years to kill, although its wrongheadedness was obvious from the very outset. "For the first time, during F/S, outspoken criticism became politically dangerous," recalls a former top executive.

... snip ...

thats beside some of the blame for the rise of clone controllers

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Teletypewriter Model 33

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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Subject: Re: Teletypewriter Model 33
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Date: 9 Sep 2013 09:37:25 -0700
barry@MXG.COM (Barry Merrill) writes:
Did you have the same fun and games I had with Southwestern Bell, during the 70s-80, as each time I got a faster modem, I was the first customer with that speed, and their engineers had to come out and measure which of my 6 lines was sufficiently quiet to be used, often having to change amplifiers up the line. I think 1200 was no problem, but I remember very well the 2400, 4800, 9600, and especially the 19.2 interations that took them several days to support.

In 1984 I was using the first Compaq LunchBox ($13000) with a Barr Systems SDLC card to talk SNA.


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#20 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#21 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#22 Teletypewriter Model 33

I was corporate tieline ... so there was some extra care when it was originally setup ... I can only remember once when they had to come out and test various pairs.

I had gotten 2400 for 3101 ... but fairly early after getting IBM/PC it was replaced with corporate 2400 "encrypting" modem.

there was lots of concern about industrial espionage ... all the internal network links (larger than arpanet/internet from just about the beginning until some late '85 or early '86) required link encryptors. sometime mid-80s, there was claim that half of all link encryptors in the world were on the internal network.

in the light of lots of discussion about gov. agencies and encryption ... there were all sorts of problems getting approval for installing link encryptors ... especially when the links crossed national boundaries.

in the early 80s, evesdropping on phone line computer traffic ... and especially hotel PBX rooms, was identified as major vulnerability. The corporation did their own 2400 baud encrypting modem that was then mandated for home terminal program and portable "road warrior" PCs.

as various previous notes about internal network and dial-up traffic ... none of it was SNA
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#internalnet

however about the time of NSFNET backbone ... there was lots of mis-information about how SNA/VTAM could be used for the NSFNET backbone ... some old NSFNET related email ... including discussion of the SNA/VTAM misinformation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#nsfnet

... was well as mis-information about why the internal network needed to be converted to SNA/VTAM

some of this is also discussed in the referenced cloud computing history threads

I had a project I called HSDT
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#hsdt

and was also working with various of the entities that would participate in NSFNET backbone. I had T1 and faster speed links ... and at the time the SNA/VTAM group even had justification to executive committee why customers didn't need/want links faster than 56kbits.

Getting link encryptors for T1 links and faster speed links was really expensive and could be hard to find. This is recent reference in getting involved in building our own link encryptors ... objective was to have it handle at least 20mbits/sec and cost $100 or less. I got into tiff with the corporate encryption group over whether standard DES had been significantly weakened. It took three months to convince them that it was significantly stronger (not weaker) than standard DES ... but as referenced it was hollow victory and I came to realize there were 3kinds of crypto 1) those they don't care about, 2) those you can't do, and 3) those you can only do for them. I was told I could make as many as I wanted ... but couldn't keep/use any of them ... but could sell all of them to a gov. agency.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#77

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Teletypewriter Model 33

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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Subject: Re: Teletypewriter Model 33
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Date: 9 Sep 2013 10:36:10 -0700
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#20 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#21 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#22 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#23 Teletypewriter Model 33

the cp67 changes i did at the univ for tty support was picked up and shipped in the standard product by the science center
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech

I had done a hack with 1byte arithmatic values for calculating data transferred (since tty max line length was much shorter)

science center was 4th flr, 545 tech sq ... and the MIT Urban Systems lab had a cp67 datacenter in tech sq bldg. across the courtyard. this is tale of tty max. line length being modified to 1200 (I think for some kind of plotter device down at harvard school of public health).
http://www.multicians.org/thvv/360-67.html

resulting in cp67 crashing 27 times in one day (storage overlay with incorrect line lengths being calculated)

note that the above mentions science center on 3rd flr ... that is incorrect. the science center was on the 4th flr of 545 tech sq (with project mac & multics on the 5th flr) and the science center cp67 machine room was on the 2nd flr. The IBM Boston Programming center was on the 3rd flr ... although after the cp67 group split off from the science center in progress of turning into the vm370 group ... they moved to the 3rd flr and absorbed the Boston Programming Center. recent trivia about boston programming center doing conversational programming system (CPS) for os/360
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#8
and
http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/allen-babcock/cps/CPS_Progress_Report_may66.pdf

it also mentions 44MPS ... however, what the science center did was hardware modify a 360/40 with virtual memory and did cp40/cms ... before it morphs into cp67/cms when the 360/40 was replaced with 360/67. Comeau's cp40 talk that he gave at 1982 seas meeting
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/cp40seas1982.txt

some of the above also discussed in cloud computing thread

other trivia ... tss/360 group was purported to have 1200 people at a time when the cp67/cms group had 12 people (factor of 100 times diference)

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Teletypewriter Model 33

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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Subject: Re: Teletypewriter Model 33
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Date: 9 Sep 2013 13:59:31 -0700
gerhard@VALLEY.NET (Gerhard Postpischil) writes:
The installations I worked at offered Wylbur, as it was much more productive. On our 360/65, IBM had a recommendation to keep active TSO users below 10-12; by comparison, Wylbur could handle several dozens without degradation in response. Also most of the asynchronous terminals had physical tabs, making program entry much faster than writing new code on a CRT (some software supports logical tabs on these, but you can't tell what the output will look like because you could be a column over where you thought you were). My favorite terminal at the time was the Wyse-50; it not only offered a 24*80 screen, but it could be set to more lines (50*80 IIRC). And the Wyse-300 (yellow monochrome) had a raster mode, in which you could define your own characters (similar to the 3179 and 3279); I used that for a "real" cent sign and not sign in ASCII mode. A few companies provided ASCII terminals with color support, but as far as I know, these never caught on (except for games). These days we take color for granted.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#20 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#21 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#22 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#23 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#24 Teletypewriter Model 33

sometimes I had to alternate with the IBM SE doing some tss/360 on the weekends. we did simulated interactive fortran edit compile linkedit and go benchmark ... ran on the univ. 768kbyte 360/67 ... tss/360 with four simulated users had worse throughput and response than cp67/cms did with 35 simulatetd users. this was even w/o much of the enhancements that I did ... part of old presentation at fall '68 SHARE meeting.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/94.html#18 CP/67 & OS MFT14

I later did a lot more enhancements and on science center 768kbyte machine (104 pageable pages after fixed storage requirements) ... regularly got 75-80 users with small subsecond interactive response. this is recent posting about grenoble science center modifying cp67 for "working set dispatcher" (paper in CACM early 70s) on their machine that had 1mbyte real storage (155 pageable pages after fixed storage requirements) and only got that thruput when running 35users (with similar workload).
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#70

mentions Jim Gray asking to step into an academic dispute over giving somebody Stanford PHD ... working involving global LRU replacement ... something that I had done originally as undergraduate in the 60s. The "local LRU" replacement forces were heavily lobbying to prevent the PHD from being awarding. My cambridge scientific center numbers were all global LRU showed much better than Genoble's "local LRU" (aka better than twice as many users with only 2/3rds the pageable real storage).

Unfortunately ibm management prevents me from responding for nearly a year ... hopefully it wasn't because they were trying to take sides in the academic dispute ... but possibly thought they were punishing me for being responsible for online computer conferencing.

some past posts mentioning page replacment, global LRU, and "clock" replacement
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#clock
some past posts mentioning online computer conferencing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#cmc

part of the problem with 3270s were that they were half-duplex ... so could be annoying for interactive computing. at least the 2741 keyboard locked when it didn't want you typing. On 3270s it was possible to be typing when the system goes to write the screen ... resulting in terminal lockup requiring the reset key to be hit. However, there was enough electronics in the 3277 head ... that it was possible to put a FIFO in the head ... that accumulated characters if the screen was being written ... avoiding the lockup & reset problem

then along came 3274/3728 where a lot of the terminal electronics were moved back into the controller (and impossible to deal with the half-duplex problem) ... it also made hardware processing and response much slower ... past posts with old 3272/3277 and 3274/3278 comparison
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001m.html#19 3270 protocol

the 1/2 sec. 3274/3278 hardware latency made it possible for user to see 1/4 sec ("total") response ("hardware" + "system") ... however as referenced ... TSO rarely saw 1sec response ... so they tended to not notice the difference.

we complained to the product owner that 3274/3278 was much worse for interactive computing (compared to 3272/3277) and eventually got back response that 3278 wasn't designed for interactive computing ... but for data-entry (basically online keypunching).

later with PC terminal emulation ... a 3278 card was about 1/3rd the upload/download throughput of 3277 card (there was significantly more 3278 coax protocol chatter .... because it assumed all the electronics back in the controller). recent discussion
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#17

part of bad TSO throughput wasn't just TSO's fault ... some of it was the extensive, ingrained use of multi-track search in all the os/360 varieties. For a time, IBM san jose research had a mvs/168 system and vm/158 system with physically shared 3330 configuration ... but strinct direction that controllers/strings were dedicated/partitioned between the two systems. One day, a "MVS" 3330 was mounted on a vm/370 string ... and within five minutes the datacenter started getting irate calls from CMS users about something had severely degraded response and throughput. It turns out it was the controller lockup by the mvs/168 doing multi-track searches on the mis-placed pack. It was demanded that the pack be moved ... but the mvs operators said that they would do it at the end of the day, offshift (this was about 10am).

so we had this highly tuned VS1 system that ran significantly faster under vm370 (than stand-alone) ... and brought it up on loaded vm/158 system with pack on an MVS string ... which managed to bring the mvs/168 system to its knees and alleviate the throughput degradation that the CMS users were seeing. MVS operators then agreed to immediately move the MVS pack (off the vm string) if we took down the VS1 system.

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Anyone here run UUCP?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone here run UUCP?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 10:16:37 -0400
early netcom.com email feeds supported uucp ... bunch of usenet postings from 1993 archived here
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/93.html

have "lynn@netcomX.UUCP"

Pagesat let me have modem and satellite usenet feed for doing modem drivers for a couple different platforms ... and co-authoring article for boardwatch magazine ... picture for article from 1993 at bottom here
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#oldpicts

feed coming into a rs/6000 aix system

and also had waffle running on ms/dos bulletin board system
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffle_%28BBS_software%29

one of the people involved with UUCP at bell labs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UUCP

later went to silicon graphics and originated XTP. I got involved with XTP and was on the XTP technical advisory board.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xpress_Transport_Protocol

above says XTP doesn't employ congestion avoidance algorithms ... but XTP supported dynamically adjusted rate-based pacing ... write up I did for rate-based pacing here ...
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/xtprate.html
other posts here
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#xtphsp

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World's worst programming environment?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: World's worst programming environment?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 15:19:50 -0400
hancock4 writes:
It seems like an awful lot of work to write one's own microcode, especially for something already supplied. Was it common for S/360-370 customers to do so? How did IBM feel about this--did it impact the warranty of the machine? (A user screw up writing microcode could create serious errors).

clone 370 (like amdahl) built their own hardware and wrote their own microcode.

low-end & mid-range machines were vertical microcode ... sort of like pc hardware instructions ... more like modern mainframe simulators ... they were tended to avg. 10 native instructions per 370 instruction simulated.

for VM/ECPS originally for 370 138&148 ... high use kernel pathlengths were selected for direct implementation in native instructions ... entered with special new instructions defined for the purpose and got 10:1 performance improvement. I got con'ed into helping with the kernel pathlength analysis and definition of ECPS function. We were told that there was 6kbytes for native instructions and select the 6kbytes of kernel highest used pathlength ... old post with some of the analysis ... 6kbytes of kernel highest used pathlength represented 80% of kernel processing time ... getting 10:1 performance increase done native:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/94.html#21 370 ECPS VM microcode assist

there was a different class of virtual machine assist ... 370 architecture is defined as having problem state instructions and supervisor state instructions ... original virtual machine operation ran the virtual machine in problem state mode ... simulating all supervisor state operations in kernel code. native supervisor state instructions were enhanced to recognize two types of executive ... normal bare machine and virtual machine operation. In this situation, virtual machines were run in virtual machine mode ... where many of the supervisor state instructions would execute following virtual machine rules ... and avoid interrupting into the kernel (for simulation).

I've frequently mentioned in the past that 3033 was quick&dirty implementation starting with 168-3 design using 20% faster chips ... mad rush to get products back into the 370 product pipeline after the failure of future system
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys

and the lack of 370 products during the future system period is credited with giving the clone processors (like amdahl) a market foothold.

this mentions that q&d mad rush efforts compared poorly with the clones ... especially the 3081
http://www.jfsowa.com/computer/memo125.htm

in any case, for the 3033, there was special MVS hardware done ... somewhat analogous to the VM/ECPS for 138&148 (and later 4331 & 4341). The problem is that 3033 (& 3081) was horizontal microcode and had been optimized to avg. one 370 instruction per machine cycle. The straight-forward move of pathlength from 370 instructions to micrcode has little opportunity for running faster ... and could even result in things running slower (because of various mode switching issues). The other issue is horizontal microcode is usually significantly much harder to program.

some of the amdahl people claimed that the constant proliferation of MVS microcode features ... was a major motivation for them doing macrocode mode for their machines (i.e. nearly identical to standard 370 instruction set) ... which significantly reduced the effort to track the constant microcode changes for MVS. With macrocode mode ... it was then also relatively straight-forward for them to implement hypervisor support (a subset of virtual machine mode all implemented in the hardware of the machine).

It then was much harder for IBM to respond with PR/SM for the 3090 ... since it all had to be done in horizontal microcode.

other topic drift ... SLAC did their own bit-slice 370 clone that implemented all the problem state instructions necessary to execute fortran. they needed a large number of these machines for initial analysis of data from collectors along the accelerator line. they referred to it as 168E ... since it executed 370 fortran at 168 speed. a couple past posts mentioning 168E:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002b.html#43 IBM 5100 [Was: First DESKTOP Unix Box?]
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003n.html#8 The IBM 5100 and John Titor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#72 zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing

misc. past posts mentioning macrocode mode:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002p.html#44 Linux paging
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002p.html#48 Linux paging
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003.html#9 Mainframe System Programmer/Administrator market demand?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003.html#56 Wild hardware idea
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003o.html#52 Virtual Machine Concept
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005d.html#59 Misuse of word "microcode"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005d.html#60 Misuse of word "microcode"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005h.html#24 Description of a new old-fashioned programming language
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005p.html#14 Multicores
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005p.html#29 Documentation for the New Instructions for the z9 Processor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005u.html#40 POWER6 on zSeries?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005u.html#43 POWER6 on zSeries?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005u.html#48 POWER6 on zSeries?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006b.html#38 blast from the past ... macrocode
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006c.html#9 Mainframe Jobs Going Away
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006j.html#32 Code density and performance?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006j.html#35 Code density and performance?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006m.html#39 Using different storage key's
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006p.html#42 old hypervisor email
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006u.html#33 Assembler question
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006u.html#34 Assembler question
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006v.html#20 Ranking of non-IBM mainframe builders?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#1 How many 36-bit Unix ports in the old days?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007d.html#3 Has anyone ever used self-modifying microcode? Would it even be useful?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007d.html#9 Has anyone ever used self-modifying microcode? Would it even be useful?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#84 VLIW pre-history
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#74 Non-Standard Mainframe Language?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007n.html#96 some questions about System z PR/SM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008c.html#32 New Opcodes
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008c.html#33 New Opcodes
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008c.html#42 New Opcodes
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008j.html#26 Op codes removed from z/10
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008r.html#27 CPU time/instruction table
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010m.html#74 z millicode: where does it reside?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#51 speculation: z/OS "enhancments"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#93 Irrational desire to author fundamental interfaces
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011p.html#102 Question on PR/SM dispatcher
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012.html#92 Has anyone successfully migrated off mainframes?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#3 Is Microsoft becoming folklore?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#58 Was MVS/SE designed to confound Amdahl?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#68 Linear search vs. Binary search
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#36 The Subroutine Call

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World's worst programming environment?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: World's worst programming environment?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 19:51:59 -0400
Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> writes:
The /40 seems to have been a popular machine to write microcode for. Alleb-Babcock developed ucode for CPS PL/I, albeit as a contract from IBM. Was any microcode done for the CP/40 project?

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#27 World's worst programming environment?

there is recent Teletypewriter folklore thread going on in ibm-main, some of my archived posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#20 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#21 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#22 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#23 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#24 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#25 Teletypewriter Model 33

i reference the CPS being done on the 3rd flr of 545tech sq ... by the ibm boston programming center. as cp67 group was expanding, splitting off from the science center and morphing into the vm370 group .... they moved to 3rd flr absorbing the boston programming group. my memory was that the CPS microcode was done for the 360/50 (not 360/40) ... just double checked rochester progress report (trivia Jean Sammet was also at boston programming center)
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/allen-babcock/cps/CPS_Progress_Report_may66.pdf
Each of these microprograms acts as a new machine instruction. They are located in five of the eight extra planes of ROS that can be installed in a Model 50.

... snip ...

the science center had wanted to get 360/50 to modify for virtual memory ... but found that any extra 50s were going to the FAA air traffic control effort ... so had to settle for 360/40. There was something about it turned out to be fortunate since the 360/40 was easier to modify and microprogram than 360/50 ... and I believe that they were able to do the virtual->real address translation within existing 360/40 timing specs.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/cp40seas1982.txt
Because of a rather loose cycle time this was accomplished on the 360/40 with no degradation of the overall memory cycle. In addition to the translate function, the associative array was used to record the hardware use and changed statue and our software noted transient and locked conditions relative to a particular block of 4K bytes in the memory.

... snip ...

there was also new instructions for things like loading the virtual->real association for pages as well as changing the active process virtual address space, etc. ... changing existing operations ... like LPSW to enter virtual address translation mode.

other recent posts mentioning CPS &/or boston programming center
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#31 Java Security?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#8 OT: CPL on LCM systems [was Re: COBOL will outlive us all]
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#10 OT: CPL on LCM systems [was Re: COBOL will outlive us all]
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#11 Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#30 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#36 Lisp machines, was What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#55 Polaroid's SX-70, the Greatest Gadget of All Time, Is 41
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#70 How internet can evolve
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#35 Some Things Never Die
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#32 Jean Sammet quotation

other recent posts mentioning cp40
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#51 Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#52 Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#0 What in your opinion is the one defining IBM product?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#63 The Atlas 2 and its Slave Store
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#45 Storage paradigm [was: RE: Data volumes]
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#47 Storage paradigm [was: RE: Data volumes]
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#67 Minicomputer Pricing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#9 IBM commitment to academia
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#82 spacewar
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#3 A Brief History of Cloud Computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#18 A Brief History of Cloud Computing

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model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 20:23:08 -0400
Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> writes:
Yeah, IBM marketed incompatible low end machines. Instead of building a viable low end S/360. Again a marketing decision.

I see nothing about S/360 architecture that couldn't be built on the cheap.

Wang proved that when they built a S/360 like system that scaled way down and way up.

But you are still on your never ending quest to contradict. I didn't say IBM didn't come out with another product line. Of course they did, to garner more money and protect their high end base. But S/360 programs from the 1960s still run. Companies that made the commitment to go with S/360 have seen their investment pretty well protected.


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#27 World's worst programming environment?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#28 World's worst programming environment?

Amdahl shows his high end design could also scale down

IBM Advanced Computing Systems
http://people.cs.clemson.edu/~mark/acs_end.html
IBM management decided not to do it, for it would advance the computing capability too fast for the company to control the growth of the computer marketplace, thus reducing their profit potential. I then recommended that the ACS lab be closed, and it was.

... snip ...

other recent posts mentioning ACS End
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#73 One reason for monocase was
Re: Dualcase vs monocase. Was: Article for the boss
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#46 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#47 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#65 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#67 relative speeds, was What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#19 Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#22 Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#10 The Knowledge Economy Two Classes of Workers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#18 What in your opinion is the one defining IBM product?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#26 The Big, Bad Bit Stuffers of IBM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#52 32760?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#1 A Complete History Of Mainframe Computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#10 SAS Deserting the MF?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#13 Is newer technology always better? It almost is. Exceptions?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#40 The Mainframe is "Alive and Kicking"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#44 Why does IBM keep saying things like this:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#72 Minicomputer Pricing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#83 Minicomputer Pricing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#8 DEC Demise (was IBM commitment to academia)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#73 Future of COBOL based on RDz policies was Re: RDz or RDzEnterprise developers

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model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 21:02:02 -0400
Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> writes:
With your normal blizzard of links, I couldn't find any reference to scaled down. But I don't need it. Of course IBM could build a low end compatible S/360. They've been fighting off every attempt by other companies to do the same and discontinued their own P/390 card.

Protecting profit comes way before coming out with super new products when the market-droids are in charge.

Where would IBM be today if the IBM PC was a S/360? Hard to say. First they'd have to forget about the business case mantra.


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#27 World's worst programming environment?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#28 World's worst programming environment?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#29 model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?

endicott did do xt/370 ... which was 68k implementing 370 instruction set ... however it used standard 370 software that was quite large and bloated (compared to software specifically implemented for pc) and did (relatively) large amounts of disk i/o. the 370 disk i/o was simulated as a record at a time at 100ms per on standard xt hard disk ... the 370 software bloat required had large memory footprint, large instruction execution, and large amount of i/o footprint ... as a result the 370 software moved to the xt/370 ran orders of magnitude slower than compareable applications specificly implemented for PC environment.

initial xt/370 (code name washington) was going to have 384kbytes of 370 memory ... a slightly modified version of vm370 running standard cms. vm370 did all i/o via interprocessor communication with cp88 running on the 8088 processor. the 384kbytes was for both vm370 fixed kernel requirements along with what was left for pageable memory running cms. the small amount of residual pageable memory resulted in significant paging activity aggravated by having to be performed on the 100ms XT hard disk. I got blamed for doing benchmarks showing the excessive page thrashing resulting in decision to delay washington by six months while it was retrofitted for 512kbytes (which only partially mitigated the severe performance problems).

the move from xt/370 to at/370 helped some because the ATs typically had faster hard disks (other characteristics didn't change).

totally separate ... I tried to get a project going that would re-implement a 370 system from scratch that could reasonably compete in this market .... including sponsoring this advanced technology workshop ... old post
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/96.html#4a

past posts mentioning washington, xt/370, at/370, &/or a74
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/96.html#23 Old IBM's
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000.html#5 IBM XT/370 and AT/370 (was Re: Computer of the century)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000.html#29 Operating systems, guest and actual
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000e.html#52 Why not an IBM zSeries workstation?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000e.html#55 Why not an IBM zSeries workstation?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001c.html#89 database (or b-tree) page sizes
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001f.html#28 IBM's "VM for the PC" c.1984??
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001i.html#19 Very CISC Instuctions (Was: why the machine word size ...)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001i.html#20 Very CISC Instuctions (Was: why the machine word size ...)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001k.html#24 HP Compaq merger, here we go again.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002b.html#43 IBM 5100 [Was: First DESKTOP Unix Box?]
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002b.html#45 IBM 5100 [Was: First DESKTOP Unix Box?]
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002d.html#4 IBM Mainframe at home
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002i.html#76 HONE was .. Hercules and System/390 - do we need it?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003f.html#8 Alpha performance, why?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003h.html#40 IBM system 370
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004h.html#29 BLKSIZE question
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004m.html#7 Whatever happened to IBM's VM PC software?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004m.html#10 Whatever happened to IBM's VM PC software?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004m.html#11 Whatever happened to IBM's VM PC software?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004m.html#13 Whatever happened to IBM's VM PC software?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005f.html#6 Where should the type information be: in tags and descriptors
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005f.html#10 Where should the type information be: in tags and descriptors
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006f.html#2 using 3390 mod-9s
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006j.html#36 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006m.html#56 DCSS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006n.html#5 Not Your Dad's Mainframe: Little Iron
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006n.html#14 RCA Spectra 70/25: Another Mystery Computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006y.html#29 "The Elements of Programming Style"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006y.html#30 "The Elements of Programming Style"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007.html#1 "The Elements of Programming Style"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007d.html#7 Has anyone ever used self-modifying microcode? Would it even be useful?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007d.html#25 modern paging
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007e.html#5 Is computer history taugh now?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#41 z/VM usability
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007l.html#61 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#43 Intel Ships Power-Efficient Penryn CPUs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#22 Was CMS multi-tasking?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008h.html#9 3277 terminals and emulators
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008h.html#73 Microsoft versus Digital Equipment Corporation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008r.html#33 What if the computers went back to the '70s too?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008r.html#38 "True" story of the birth of the IBM PC
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008r.html#46 pc/370
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008r.html#68 New machine code
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010.html#2 Happy DEC-10 Day
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#18 Processes' memory
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#20 Processes' memory
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#24 Processes' memory
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#36 Processes' memory
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#42 Mythical computers and magazine reviews
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#46 Mythical computers and magazine reviews
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#70 LPARs: More or Less?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#8 What was the historical price of a P/390?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#10 What was the historical price of a P/390?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#78 Notes on two presentations by Gordon Bell ca. 1998
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011h.html#27 At least two decades back, some gurus predicted that mainframes would disappear in future and it still has not happened
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011m.html#64 JCL CROSS-REFERENCE Utilities (OT for Paul, Rick, and Shmuel)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012b.html#27 M68k add to memory is not a mistake any more
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012c.html#42 Where are all the old tech workers?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#74 zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#77 zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#79 zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012p.html#8 AMC proposes 1980s computer TV series Halt & Catch Fire
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012p.html#10 AMC proposes 1980s computer TV series Halt & Catch Fire
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#18 "Highway Patrol" back on TV

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model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 22:10:47 -0400
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#27 World's worst programming environment?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#28 World's worst programming environment?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#29 model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#30 model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?

a74 hardware finally got to point where it reasonably execute standard 370 code ... had 16mbyte of real storage and 370 350KIPS ... little bit faster than 370/145 and close to more than four times faster than the xt/370 processor

old a74 announcement/description email
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000e.html#email880622

i even did a little of the software for releasing a74 ... a list of the updates in this long-winded post
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003f.html#56 ECPS:VM DISPx instructions

old post a74/7437 priced at $18,100 ($52K/MIPS)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002d.html#4 IBM Mainframe at home

however significantly more expensive than i386 PC about '88 ... capable of 11MIPS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_80386

following year ('89) get 486 capable of 50MIPS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_80486

dhrystone mips is prorated iterations/sec with 370/158 as base at 1MIPS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instructions_per_second

above lists 9.9MIPS for 386 and 54 to 66MIPS for 486

later there was p/390 rated at 8MIPS

however there was significantly increasing gap in price/MIPS between 370 and i86.

recent posts about z196 (370) at $560,000/BIPS ($28M for 50BIPS 80 processor z196) ... but avg. total revenue ibm earns on mainframe systems is $6.25 for every processor dollar ... which comes out to $3.5M/BIPS. ibm has base price of $1815 for e5-2600 (527BIPS) which can be $3.44/BIPS (a difference of million times).

recent posts mentioning e5-2600
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#35 Reports: IBM may sell x86 server business to Lenovo
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#37 Where Does the Cloud Cover the Mainframe?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#38 Reports: IBM may sell x86 server business to Lenovo
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#51 Reports: IBM may sell x86 server business to Lenovo
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#57 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#64 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#70 How internet can evolve
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#72 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#73 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#74 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#2 A Complete History Of Mainframe Computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#4 A Complete History Of Mainframe Computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#5 SAS Deserting the MF?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#7 SAS Deserting the MF?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#14 Tech Time Warp of the Week: The 50-Pound Portable PC, 1977
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#23 Old data storage or data base
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#43 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#49 A Complete History Of Mainframe Computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#50 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#93 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#3 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#5 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#6 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#40 The Mainframe is "Alive and Kicking"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#79 Why does IBM keep saying things like this:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#80 Minicomputer Pricing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#47 Making mainframe technology hip again
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#59 Making mainframe technology hip again
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#60 Making mainframe technology hip again
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#86 IBM unveils new "mainframe for the rest of us"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#53 spacewar

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model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 10:02:13 -0400
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> writes:
What were, e.g., the S/7, S/1, S/3, 8100?

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#27 World's worst programming environment?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#28 World's worst programming environment?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#29 model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#30 model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#31 model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?

folklore is that Evans had my wife audit 8100 and not long after it was decommitted ... part of the issue was that 8100 had a seriously underpowered (UC.5) processor

other old email reference to the MIT LISP machine project asking IBM for 801 (risc) chips ... and Evans offerring them 8100 instead
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003e.html#email790711

other old email mentioning 801
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#801

past posts mentioning Evans asking my wife to audit 8100
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001b.html#75 Z/90, S/390, 370/ESA (slightly off topic)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002q.html#53 MVS History
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005q.html#46 Intel strikes back with a parallel x86 design
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008h.html#40 3277 terminals and emulators
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010g.html#41 someone smarter than Dave Cutler
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010i.html#70 Favourite computer history books?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010m.html#78 Mainframe Hall of Fame (MHOF)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#0 I actually miss working at IBM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011m.html#28 Supervisory Processors
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011p.html#66 Migration off mainframe
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#66 How will mainframers retiring be different from Y2K?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012k.html#53 1132 printer history
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#82 zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#57 Dualcase vs monocase. Was: Article for the boss

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Teletypewriter Model 33

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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Subject: Re: Teletypewriter Model 33
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Date: 11 Sep 2013 07:16:49 -0700
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#20 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#21 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#22 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#23 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#24 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#25 Teletypewriter Model 33

translate tables were needed for terminals. 2741 & 1052 weren't actually "ebcdic" ... their code was tilt/rotate bits for the "golf" ball ... translate tables were needed to translate between ebcdic and tilt/rotate codes. different typeballs could require different tilt/rotate codes ... for instance apl typeball ... i've uploaded couple images of 2741 typeball
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aplball.jpg

2741 apl typeball


http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aplball2.jpg

2741 apl typeball2


from old pictures
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#oldpicts

i previously mentioned the clone controller project getting temporarily messed up because of ibm controller linescanner convention of leading bit into low-order position resulting in bit-reversed bytes. ... TTY used ascii (as opposed to 2741&1052 being typeball control codes).
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#360pcm

somewhat related is ascii history (ibm 360 mainframe originally was supposed to be ASCII machine)

EBCDIC and the P-BIT (The Biggest Computer Goof Ever)
http://www.bobbemer.com/P-BIT.HTM
Who Goofed?

The culprit was T. Vincent Learson. The only thing for his defense is that he had no idea of what he had done. It was when he was an IBM Vice President, prior to tenure as Chairman of the Board, those lofty positions where you believe that, if you order it done, it actually will be done. I've mentioned this fiasco elsewhere.


... snip ...

more ASCII history

How ASCII Came About
http://www.bobbemer.com/ASCII.HTM
HOW ASCII GOT ITS BACKSLASH
http://www.bobbemer.com/BACSLASH.HTM

other recent posts mentioning 360 "goof":
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#56 New HD
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#72 One reason for monocase was Re: Dualcase vs monocase. Was: Article for the boss
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#14 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#61 32760?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#3 Ported Tools - Unix
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#49 Internet Mainframe Forums Considered Harmful

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World's worst programming environment?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: World's worst programming environment?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 10:49:28 -0400
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> writes:
The 470/6[1] and the 470V series had no microcode.

recent post with (part of the) tale over in ibm-main about first amdahl machine shipped to true-blue commercial customer ... early adopters had previously been places running things like MTS (requiring minimal IBM support)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#22 Teletypewriter Model 33
other recent post with the tale
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#10 The Knowledge Economy Two Classes of Workers

past posts in this thread:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#27 World's worst programming environment?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#28 World's worst programming environment?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#29 model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#30 model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#31 model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#32 model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?

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Teletypewriter Model 33

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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Subject: Re: Teletypewriter Model 33
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Date: 11 Sep 2013 08:27:33 -0700
lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes:
How ASCII Came About
http://www.bobbemer.com/ASCII.HTM
HOW ASCII GOT ITS BACKSLASH
http://www.bobbemer.com/BACSLASH.HTM


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#33 Teletypewriter Model 33

for other drift

Bob's history index
http://www.bobbemer.com/HISTORY.HTM

list this under "Stories in Waiting"

The Impact of Printers upon character sets
http://www.bobbemer.com/BC.HTM

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Ex-Wall Street chieftains living large in post-meltdown world

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From: lynn@garlic.com
Subject: Ex-Wall Street chieftains living large in post-meltdown world
Date: 11 Sep 2013
Blog: Financial Crime Risk, Fraud and Security
Ex-Wall Street chieftains living large in post-meltdown world; After the Meltdown: Part one in our series looking at the impact of the financial crisis of 2008
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2013/09/10/13326/ex-wall-street-chieftains-living-large-post-meltdown-world

Subprime lending execs back in business five years after crash; After the Meltdown: Part Two in our series looking at the impact of the financial crisis of 2008
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2013/09/11/13327/subprime-lending-execs-back-business-five-years-after-crash

Washington & Wall Street: Lehman Brothers and the Failure of Regulation
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/10/Washington-Wall-Street-Lehman-Brothers-and-the-Failure-of-Regulation

from above:
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

The fifth anniversary of the failure of Lehman Brothers is generating a lot of comment, mostly of the sort that blames the largest banks for their evil ways. But when considering the lessons learned from the collapse of this large broker-dealer into bankruptcy in 2008, it is important to recognize the role of politicians and regulators in creating this mess in the first place.


... snip ...

Richard Posner Explains SEC Refusal to Act in Lehman Brothers Case
http://my.firedoglake.com/masaccio/2013/09/09/richard-posner-explains-sec-refusal-to-act-in-lehman-brothers-case/
Inside the End of the U.S. Bid to Punish Lehman Executives
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/09/08/inside-the-end-of-the-u-s-bid-to-punish-lehman-executives/
Banks Seen at Risk Five Years After Lehman Collapse
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-10/banks-seen-at-risk-five-years-after-lehman-collapse.html
Books Related to the Housing Crash and Financial Crisis
http://www.investorhome.com/crisisbooks.htm

past posts mentioning triple-A rated toxic CDOs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#toxic.cdo
past posts mentioning too big to fail
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail

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Money Laundering Exposed As A Key Component Of The Housing Bubble's "All Cash" Bid

From: lynn@garlic.com
Subject: Money Laundering Exposed As A Key Component Of The Housing Bubble's "All Cash" Bid
Date: 11 Sep 2013
Blog: Financial Crime Risk, Fraud and Security
Money Laundering Exposed As A Key Component Of The Housing Bubble's "All Cash" Bid
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-10/money-laundering-exposed-key-component-housing-bubbles-all-cash-bid

This was claimed back in 2008/2009 that it was one of the ways that the too big to fail were laundering money for the drug cartels ... then 2010 too big to fail were laundering money in other ways for drug cartels and terrorists ... possibly the first use of too big to prosecute and too big to jail.

just very small sample of too big to fail (too big to jail) money laundering from 2010

Banks Financing Mexico Gangs Admitted in Wells Fargo Deal
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-29/banks-financing-mexico-s-drug-cartels-admitted-in-wells-fargo-s-u-s-deal.html
Wall Street Is Laundering Drug Money and Getting Away with It
http://www.alternet.org/story/147564/wall_street_is_laundering_drug_money_and_getting_away_with_it
Legal Briefing: Drug Cartels Used Wachovia to Launder Money
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2010/03/18/legal-briefing-drug-cartels-used-wachovia-to-launder-money/

past posts mentioning money laundering
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#money.laundering
past posts mentioning too big to fail
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail

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OT: NYT article--the rich get richer

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: OT:  NYT article--the rich get richer
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 12:58:06 -0400
hancock4 writes:
The New York Times reported that a study shows that the top 1 percent of earners took more than one-fifth of the country's total income in 2012, one of the highest levels recorded.

article at:
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/10/the-rich-get-richer-through-the-recovery/?ref=business

What about the rest of us, especially those who lost their jobs to overseas outsourcing?


Income Gap Hits Widest Point Since 1920s
http://news.firedoglake.com/2013/09/11/income-gap-hits-widest-point-since-1920s/

other recent bits:

Ex-Wall Street chieftains living large in post-meltdown world; After the Meltdown: Part one in our series looking at the impact of the financial crisis of 2008
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2013/09/10/13326/ex-wall-street-chieftains-living-large-post-meltdown-world

Subprime lending execs back in business five years after crash; After the Meltdown: Part Two in our series looking at the impact of the financial crisis of 2008
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2013/09/11/13327/subprime-lending-execs-back-business-five-years-after-crash

Washington & Wall Street: Lehman Brothers and the Failure of Regulation
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/10/Washington-Wall-Street-Lehman-Brothers-and-the-Failure-of-Regulation

from above:
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

The fifth anniversary of the failure of Lehman Brothers is generating a lot of comment, mostly of the sort that blames the largest banks for their evil ways. But when considering the lessons learned from the collapse of this large broker-dealer into bankruptcy in 2008, it is important to recognize the role of politicians and regulators in creating this mess in the first place.


... snip ...

Richard Posner Explains SEC Refusal to Act in Lehman Brothers Case
http://my.firedoglake.com/masaccio/2013/09/09/richard-posner-explains-sec-refusal-to-act-in-lehman-brothers-case/
Inside the End of the U.S. Bid to Punish Lehman Executives
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/09/08/inside-the-end-of-the-u-s-bid-to-punish-lehman-executives/
Banks Seen at Risk Five Years After Lehman Collapse
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-10/banks-seen-at-risk-five-years-after-lehman-collapse.html
Books Related to the Housing Crash and Financial Crisis
http://www.investorhome.com/crisisbooks.htm

Money Laundering Exposed As A Key Component Of The Housing Bubble's "All Cash" Bid
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-10/money-laundering-exposed-key-component-housing-bubbles-all-cash-bid

This was claimed back in 2008/2009 that it was one of the ways that the too big to fail were laundering money for the drug cartels ... then 2010 too big to fail were laundering money in other ways for drug cartels and terrorists ... possibly the first use of too big to prosecute and too big to jail.

just very small sample of too big to fail (too big to jail) money laundering from 2010

Banks Financing Mexico Gangs Admitted in Wells Fargo Deal
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-29/banks-financing-mexico-s-drug-cartels-admitted-in-wells-fargo-s-u-s-deal.html
Wall Street Is Laundering Drug Money and Getting Away with It
http://www.alternet.org/story/147564/wall_street_is_laundering_drug_money_and_getting_away_with_it
Legal Briefing: Drug Cartels Used Wachovia to Launder Money
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2010/03/18/legal-briefing-drug-cartels-used-wachovia-to-launder-money/

past posts mentioning toxic CDOs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#toxic.cdo
past posts mentioning money laundering
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#money.laundering
past posts mentioning too big to fail
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail

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model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 17:11:50 -0400
Robert Swindells <rjs@fdy2.co.uk> writes:
When was the 801 ready for use ? The entry for it in wikipedia suggests that it was several years after the Lisp Machine was designed.

Maybe the 8100 was all that was available when MIT asked.


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#32 model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?

there were a whole bunch of projects to convert majority of internal microprocessors to 801/risc ... lots of these were iliad chips ... the follow-on to 4331/4341 (4361/4381s) were going to be 801/risc, the s/38 (as/400) was going to be 801/risc, the follow-on to the displaywriter was going to be 801/risc, bunch of embedded processors were going to be 801/risc.

for various reasons, most of the efforts floundered ... for the 4381 I helped with white-paper that said chip technology had gotten to the point where much of 370 could be implemented directly in silicon ... rather than all of it being simulated.

you then found some number of engineers departing and showing up at other vendors working on new RISC efforts there.

old 801/risc email
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#801

801 wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_801
John
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cocke

the follow-on to the displaywriter was 16bit (801/risc) ROMP chip running cp.r. ROMP & cp.r didn't have concept of problem/supervisor state ... everything ran in single security domain. the story was that pl.8 compiler would only produce correct code ... and cp.r would only run correct pl.8 compiled code. As a result a lot of stuff that would require supervisor/kernel calls (in other systems) could be executived with inline code.

when the displaywriter followon was canceled ... the group looked around and decided to retarget to the unix workstation market and got the company that had done the AT&T unix port for PC/IX ... to do one for ROMP ... as AIXV2 and was eventually announced as PC/RT. One of the things was problem/supervisor domain support had to be added to ROMP. pc/rt wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_6150_RT

past posts mentioning 801, risc, romp, iliad, rios, power, power/pc, etc
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#801

801 wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_801
John
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cocke

I've periodically commented that possibly one of John's motivations was to take 801 to the opposite extreme of the failed, hugely complex future system design
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys

I've also periodically commented on "blue iliad" (first 32bit 801/risc) being done at the IBM Los Gatos lab ... was huge, hot chip never made it into production
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/98.html#25 Merced & compilers (was Re: Effect of speed ... )
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#66 System/1 ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000.html#16 Computer of the century
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000d.html#60 "all-out" vs less aggressive designs (was: Re: 36 to 32 bit transition)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002g.html#39 "Soul of a New Machine" Computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002g.html#55 Multics hardware (was Re: "Soul of a New Machine" Computer?)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002l.html#27 End of Moore's law and how it can influence job market
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003.html#3 vax6k.openecs.org rebirth
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003d.html#69 unix
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003k.html#3 Ping: Anne & Lynn Wheeler
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004f.html#28 [Meta] Marketplace argument
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004n.html#21 First single chip 32-bit microprocessor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004n.html#30 First single chip 32-bit microprocessor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006n.html#37 History: How did Forth get its stacks?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006t.html#7 32 or even 64 registers for x86-64?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006u.html#31 To RISC or not to RISC
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007h.html#17 MIPS and RISC
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007l.html#53 Drums: Memory or Peripheral?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#56 performance of hardware dynamic scheduling
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009m.html#63 What happened to computer architecture (and comp.arch?)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#20 Processes' memory
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#29 search engine history, was Happy DEC-10 Day
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#54 Processes' memory
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#7 "Unhackable" Infineon Chip Physically Cracked - PCWorld
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#3 "Unhackable" Infineon Chip Physically Cracked - PCWorld
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#78 Notes on two presentations by Gordon Bell ca. 1998
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#82 Notes on two presentations by Gordon Bell ca. 1998
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#83 Notes on two presentations by Gordon Bell ca. 1998
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#42 IBM zEnterprise Announced
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#82 Hashing for DISTINCT or GROUP BY in SQL
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#16 At least two decades back, some gurus predicted that mainframes would disappear in future and it still has not happened
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011m.html#24 Supervisory Processors
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#82 zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#0 By Any Other Name
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#8 DEC Demise (was IBM commitment to academia)

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OT: NYT article--the rich get richer

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: OT:  NYT article--the rich get richer
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 17:55:54 -0400
Ibmekon writes:
Takling of which, I hear Deutsche Bank leverage has reached 60:1 - about the same as Lehmans.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-15/deutsche-bank-horribly-undercapitalized-its-ridiculous-says-former-fed-president-hoe


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#38 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer

tv business news today had somebody comment that the regulators didn't clean up the mess at the start of the century that the investment bankers created with the internet bubble ... but allowed them to move on to the real estate market (and with repeal of glass-steagall ... allowing too big to fail and allowing activites to leak into & contaminate regulated depository institutions).

over on linkedin ... i see somebody that was head of large bank examination in the FDIC that flagged a lot of the stuff and was ignored ... turned into whistleblower and paid for it. some recent

FDIC fooled Congress by not showing it was the most lenient regulator
http://govwhistleblower.wordpress.com/2013/09/10/fdic-fooled-congress-by-not-showing-it-was-the-most-lenient-regulator/ See what drove the FDIC Chief Auditor to resign after my disclosure to him
http://govwhistleblower.wordpress.com/2013/09/10/see-what-drove-the-fdic-chief-auditor-to-resign-after-my-disclosure-to-him/

also book about the experience
http://www.amazon.com/American-Betrayal-ebook/dp/B00BKZ02UM/

misc. past posts mentioning too big to fail
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#too-big-to-fail
misc. past posts mentioning Glass-Steagall
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#Pecora&/orGlass-Steagall
misc. past posts mentioning whistleblower
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#whisteleblower

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Brazilian TV show accuses NSA of spying on oil firm based on leaked docs

From: lynn@garlic.com
Subject: Brazilian TV show accuses NSA of spying on oil firm based on leaked docs
Date: 11 Sep 2013
Blog: Google+
re:
https://plus.google.com/102794881687002297268/posts/KsNUJVHWQGX

Brazilian TV show accuses NSA of spying on oil firm based on leaked docs; Leaked Snowden files not so Fantastico...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/11/nsa_spying_petrobras_brasil/

privatizing of intelligence by for-profit companies and possible industrial espionage

with over half the people in intelligence working for for-profit companies and all the stuff about using intelligence for checking on ex's ... what so far-fetched about industrial espionage

Gems Mined from the NSA Documents and FISA Court Opinions Released Today
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/09/gems-mined-nsa-docs-released-today

the head of IBM (google may strip trailing period from URL)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_V._Gerstner,_Jr.
leaves and becomes chairman of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlyle_Group
which then does private equity buyout of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booz_Allen_Hamilton

Spies Like Us
http://www.investingdaily.com/17693/spies-like-us/

from above:
Private contractors like Booz Allen now reportedly garner 70 percent of the annual $80 billion intelligence budget and supply more than half of the available manpower.

... snip ...

How Booz Allen Hamilton Swallowed Washington
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-23/visualizing-how-booz-allen-hamilton-swallowed-washington

"Succeess of Failure" culture
http://www.govexec.com/excellence/management-matters/2007/04/the-success-of-failure/24107/

past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#success.of.failure

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OT: NYT article--the rich get richer

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: OT:  NYT article--the rich get richer
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 09:59:17 -0400
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
Income Gap Hits Widest Point Since 1920s
http://news.firedoglake.com/2013/09/11/income-gap-hits-widest-point-since-1920s/


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#38 NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#40 NYT article--the rich get richer

a couple graphs from two years ago
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2011/09/04/opinion/04reich-graphic.html?ref=sunday

from today ... extended to retirement inequality
http://baselinescenario.com/2013/09/12/retirement-inequality/
references
http://www.epi.org/publication/retirement-inequality-chartbook/

some past posts referencing the 2yr old times graphs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012f.html#77 Vampire Squid
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012g.html#80 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#3 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#18 How do you feel about the fact that India has more employees than US?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#27 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#32 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#37 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#38 Other Than In Computers, Civilization Basically Stopped Progressing In The 1960s
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#39 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#44 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#46 How do you feel about the fact that today India has more IBM employees than US?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#1 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#10 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#48 Thousands Of IBM Employees Got A Nasty Surprise Yesterday: Here's The Email They Saw
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012k.html#7 Is there a connection between your strategic and tactical assertions?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012k.html#36 Race Against the Machine
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012k.html#40 Core characteristics of resilience
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#13 Cultural attitudes towards failure
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#53 CALCULATORS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#85 Singer Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012m.html#39 General Mills computer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012m.html#65 General Mills computer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#73 These Two Charts Show How The Priorities Of US Companies Have Gotten Screwed Up
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012p.html#44 Search Google, 1960:s-style
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012p.html#64 IBM Is Changing The Terms Of Its Retirement Plan, Which Is Frustrating Some Employees
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#15 Search Google, 1960:s-style
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#65 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#7 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#15 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#77 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#91 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#33 Management Secrets From Inside GE
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#50 IBM Furloughs U.S. Hardware Employees to Reduce Costs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#51 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#60 spacewar

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OT: NYT article--the rich get richer

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: OT:  NYT article--the rich get richer
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 14:15:16 -0400
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
Washington & Wall Street: Lehman Brothers and the Failure of Regulation
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/10/Washington-Wall-Street-Lehman-Brothers-and-the-Failure-of-Regulation

from above:

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

The fifth anniversary of the failure of Lehman Brothers is generating a lot of comment, mostly of the sort that blames the largest banks for their evil ways. But when considering the lessons learned from the collapse of this large broker-dealer into bankruptcy in 2008, it is important to recognize the role of politicians and regulators in creating this mess in the first place.

... snip ...


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#38 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#40 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer

lots of people quoting following as even more evidence that SEC is a captured regulator (doing little nothing to reign in fraudulent and corrupt behavior on wallstreet) ... including this quote: Wow: "The S.E.C. team concluded that Repo 105 would not have been 'material' to investors"

The SEC Flacks Paint Lehman's Looters as the Victims of a "Polticial" SEC
http://www.therealnews.com/t2/component/content/article/75-william-black/1744-the-sec-flacks-paint-lehmans-looters-as-the-victims-of-a-political-sec
The SEC Flacks Paint Lehman's Looters as the Victims of a "Political" SEC
http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-SEC-Flacks-Paint-Lehma-by-William-K-Black--Fraud_Investors_Leverage_Political-Prosecutions-130911-621.html
The SEC Flacks Paint Lehman's Looters as the Victims of a "Polticial" SEC
http://neweconomicperspectives.org/2013/09/sec-flacks-paint-lehmans-looters-victims-political-sec.html
Bill Black: SEC Flacks Paint Lehman's Looters as the Victims of a "Polticial" SEC
http://iclouddna.com/59375-bill-black-sec-flacks-paint-lehmans-looters-as-the-victims-of-a-political-sec/
Bill Black: SEC Flacks Paint Lehman's Looters as the Victims of a "Polticial" SEC
http://ewallstreeter.com/bill-black-sec-flacks-paint-lehman-s-looters-as-the-victims-of-a-political-sec-8371/

note this implies that such activity was material:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&refer=home&sid=aYJZOB_gZi0I
and FASB changes repo accounting rule used by Lehman; Rule closes Lehman's Repo 105 loophole
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/29/fasb-repos-idUSN2917121220110429

another reference to wallstreet has nothing to fear from SEC regaring illegal behavior
http://nypost.com/2007/03/20/cramer-reveals-a-bit-too-much/

With all the uproar over the damage that ENRON had done
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#enron
congress passed Sarbanes-Oxley
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#sarbanes-oxley
claiming that it would prevent future ENRONs (& WORLDCOMs) and that both auditors and top executives were guaranteed to do jail time for fraudulent public company financial reports. however, that may have been purely facade, congressional decoy and kabuki theater
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#kabuki.theater

Even GAO apparently didn't think SEC was doing anything and started do reports of fraudulent public company financial filings last decade (and nobody doing jail time).

Sarbanes-Oxley also included provisions for SEC to do something about the rating agencies. However, Oct2008 congressional hearings into rating agencies had the rating agencies giving triple-A ratings for toxic CDOs when the rating agencies knew they weren't worth triple-A. Those triple-A ratings on toxic CDOs was a major factor in creating the financial mess last decade.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#toxic.cdo

there was similar testimony about SEC not doing anything in the Madoff congressional hearings by the person that had tried unsuccessfully for a decade to get SEC to do something about Madoff (SEC's hands were forced when Madoff turned himself in)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#madoff

other recent posts mentioning Lehman
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#60 Choice of Mary Jo White to Head SEC Puts Fox In Charge of Hen House
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#28 Senator Sherrod Brown Drops a Bombshell in Mary Jo White's Hearing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#29 Bank Holiday In Cyprus
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#40 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#73 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#81 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#2 Too-Big-To-Fail, Too-Big-To-Prosecute, Too-Big-To-Jail, not just a problem in the USA
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#22 What Makes bank regulation and insurance Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#29 What Makes bank regulation and insurance Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#36 Fed proposes annual assessments for large financial companies
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#36 Ex-Wall Street chieftains living large in post-meltdown world

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Teletypewriter Model 33

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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Subject: Re: Teletypewriter Model 33
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Date: 12 Sep 2013 12:09:01 -0700
Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> writes:
The managed to reintroduce type-ahead on 3174s with the "Entry Assists" feature. A major change in the 3174s was a much faster CPU than in the 3274s, and a vast increase in memory, so there was room to add those features. The terminal itself, nor the protocol on the wire, were not really the problem, mainly that the 3274 was underpowered for handling much of that work the dumber 3278 push back to the controller.

but by the time of the 3174 ... 3270s were moving to dumb terminal emulation and type-ahead was being handled in emulators.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_3270

Note that by the time of the 3277 emulation card upload/download being 3times throughput of 3278 emulation card upload/download ... were on same 3274 controllers (i.e. datacenters were upgrading all controllers to 3274 ... but some configured to handle 3277 protocol). ... 3277 attached to 3274 ... section 7-37, 7-38
http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/3270/GA27-2749-10_3270_Information_Display_System_Component_Description_Feb80.pdf

the 3174 faster processor would have helped ... but didn't eliminate the difference in 3277 coax protocol chatter versus 3278 coax protocol chatter.

a senior disk engineer managed to get a talk scheduled at the annual, worldwide, internal communication group conference ... supposedly on the subject of 3174 performance ... but opened the talk with the statement that the communication group was going to be responsible for the demise of the disk division.

the issue was the communication group was desperately trying to fight off client/server and distributed computing and protect their dumb (emulated) terminal paradigm & install base. the disk division was seeing a drop in disk sales with data fleeing the datacenters to more distributed computing friendly platforms. the disk division had come up with a number of solutions to address the opportunities ... but they were constantly being vetoed by the communication group ... which had corporate strategic responsibility for everything that crossed the datacenter walls. past posts mentioning the dump terminal paradigm
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#terminal

note that 2-3yrs earlier, the top executives had predicted that the company revenue was going to double ... mostly based on mainframes ... and instituted massive building program to double mainframe manufacturing capacity (even tho indicators were already that it was starting to head in the opposite direction) ... company going into the red in the early 90s and big decline in mainframe business.

also note these kind of battles with communication group go back even further. my wife had been con'ed into going to POK to be in charge of mainframe loosely-coupled architecture ... where she did peer-coupled shared data architecture ... some past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#shareddata

... which saw little uptake until sysplex ... except for IMS hot-standby. The lack of uptake contributed to her not staying long ... however also there were the re-occuring battles with the communication group trying to force her into using SNA for loosely-coupled operation. There would be periodic temporary truces where they said she could use anything she wanted within the datacenter, but the communication group owned everything that crossed the datacenter walls ... but they would then resume their efforts to try and force her to use SNA.

past posts in this thread:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#20 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#21 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#22 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#23 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#24 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#25 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#33 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#35 Teletypewriter Model 33

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OT: NYT article--the rich get richer

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: OT:  NYT article--the rich get richer
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 20:44:28 -0400
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#38 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#40 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#42 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#43 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer

recent list

Financial Crisis: Five Years After, 10 to Remember
http://business.time.com/2013/09/12/financial-crisis-five-years-after-10-to-remember/slide/lew-ranien/

much earlier Time list

25 People to Blame for the Financial Crisis
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877339,00.html

3rd in series

Ex-SEC chief now helps companies navigate post-meltdown reforms; After the Meltdown: Part three in our series looking at the impact of the financial crisis of 2008
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2013/09/12/13328/ex-sec-chief-now-helps-companies-navigate-post-meltdown-reforms

from above:
On March 11, 2008, Christopher Cox, former chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, said he was comfortable with the amount of capital that Bear Stearns and the other publicly traded Wall Street investment banks had on hand.

Days later, Bear was gone, becoming the first investment bank to disappear in 2008 under the watch of Cox's SEC. By the end of the year, all five banks supervised by the SEC were either bankrupt, bought or converted to bank holding companies.


... snip ...

SEC chairman is on both Time's lists

past posts mentioning too big to fail
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail

more recent reference to SEC

The Slow Rise And Quick Fall Of The SEC's Enforcements
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-12/slow-rise-and-quick-fall-secs-enforcements

makes it all sound like obfuscation, misdirection, decoy and Kabuki theater
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#kabuki.theater

and more directly on the inequality theme

Why Things Worst Now for the 99 Percent than In 1974: The 1 Percent Have Stolen How Much From the 99 Percent?
http://johnhively.wordpress.com/2013/09/12/why-things-worst-now-for-the-99-percent-than-in-1974-the-1-percent-have-stolen-how-much-from-the-99-percent/

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Teletypewriter Model 33

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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Subject: Re: Teletypewriter Model 33
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Date: 13 Sep 2013 06:36:02 -0700
lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes:
... which saw little uptake until sysplex ... except for IMS hot-standby. The lack of uptake contributed to her not staying long ... however also there were the re-occuring battles with the communication group trying to force her into using SNA for loosely-coupled operation. There would be periodic termporary truces where they said she could use anything she wanted within the datacenter, but the communication group owned everything that crossed the datacenter walls ... but they would then resume their efforts to try and force her to use SNA.

actually IMS hot-standby had a different problem with SNA. While IMS hot-standby could be back up & operational in very short time ... in a configuration with 30k-60k terminals (sessions), it could take VTAM 2-3hrs to get all the sessions re-established (VTAM session establishment was real resource hog even on the largest processor configuration available from IBM).

I was working with a baby-bell to turn out some work they had done for a 37x5 emulator, as a product. They had done a NCP emulator on Series/1 that had significantly more function and better performance than real 37x5. A separate feature was it also supported non-IBM, non-SNA systems old posts discussing implementation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#67
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#70

Among other things, it told the host VTAM that all resources were cross-domain ... owned by some other VTAM ... when in fact they were "owned" by the distributed and redundant network infrastructure. RU traffic was also carried over real network. What interested IMS hot-standby was being able to create shadow sessions on the IMS hot-standby (in addition to the standard session on the active IMS system) ... so everything was immediately ready to go on the hot-standby.

My objective was to ship initially on Series/1 but very quickly upgrade it to a (801/risc) RIOS chip implementation. The communcation group was well-known for all sort of FUD and corporate dirty tricks ... so with some help ... I got agreement from the largest 37x5 customer to completely fund the whole effort (the customer claimed being able to move to the new type1 product supported by IBM ... they would recoup total cost in less than a year). The communication group even tried a lot of FUD on my comparison numbers with the 3725 (see reference URLs), however the numbers came straight out of the communication group's 3725 configurator AID on the HONE system (some of the communication group responsible for much of the FUD didn't even know about their HONE configurator AIDs) ... misc. past posts mentioning HONE
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hone

I was so confident that I even gave a detailed presentation at a fall SNA Architecture Review Board meeting. How the communication group finally was able to block the product can only be described as truth is greater than fiction.

We also crossed the communication group in their battle against client/server and distributed computing when we came up with 3-tier networking architecture and were out pitching it to corporate executives. This is part of one such presentation which also contrasts 16mbit token-ring with 10mbit enet (which brought down a lot more of thier FUD on our heads)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002q.html#40
other past posts mentioning 3tier
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#3tier

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OT: NYT article--the rich get richer

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: OT:  NYT article--the rich get richer
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 11:19:16 -0400
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#38 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#40 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#42 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#43 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#45 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer

Why Zero Wall Street CEOs Are in Jail
http://www.pogo.org/blog/2013/09/Why-Zero-Wall-Street-CEOs-Are-in-Jail.html
This is a complete list of Wall Street CEOs prosecuted for their role in the financial crisis
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/12/this-is-a-complete-list-of-wall-street-ceo

lots has been written about the excuses for lack of prosecution just being obfuscation and misdirection.

past posts mentioning too big to fail, too big to prosecute, too big to jail
http:/www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail

old wharton school article (gone behind subscriber wall) that estimate 1000 responsible for the majority of the mess and it would go a long way to improving the situation if the gov. could remove them from their positions
http://web.archive.org/web/20080606084328/http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article.cfm?articleid=1933

past posts mentioning wharton school article
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#32 independent appraisers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#44 Fixing finance
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#52 IBM CEO's remuneration last year ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#66 independent appraisers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008h.html#89 Credit Crisis Timeline
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#4 A Merit based system of reward -Does anybody (or any executive) really want to be judged on merit?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#67 Do you have other examples of how people evade taking resp. for risk
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#73 CROOKS and NANNIES: what would Boyd do?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#77 CROOKS and NANNIES: what would Boyd do?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#79 The Credit Crunch: Why it happened?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#85 Banks' Demise: Why have the Governments hired the foxes to mend the chicken runs?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#1 Are Both The U.S. & UK on the brink of debt disaster?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#11 Amid Economic Turbulence, Mainframes Counter IT Cost-Cutting Trend
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#18 Barbless
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#25 The recently revealed excesses of John Thain, the former CEO of Merrill Lynch, while the firm was receiving $25 Billion in TARP funds makes me sick
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#36 A great article was posted in another BI group: "To H*** with Business Intelligence: 40 Percent of Execs Trust Gut"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#49 US disaster, debts and bad financial management
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#53 Credit & Risk Management ... go Simple ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#54 In your opinion, which facts caused the global crise situation?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#11 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#28 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#38 People to Blame for the Financial Crisis
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#39 'WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE GLOBAL MELTDOWN'
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#3 Congress Set to Approve Pay Cap of $500,000
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#35 Architectural Diversity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#20 What is the real basis for business mess we are facing today?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#27 US banking Changes- TARP Proposl
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#35 US banking Changes- TARP Proposl
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#38 On whom or what would you place the blame for the sub-prime crisis?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#54 The 2010 Census
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#22 In the News: SEC storms the 'Castle'
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#40 Who is Really to Blame for the Financial Crisis?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#38 Idiotic programming style edicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#40 On Protectionism
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#74 The first personal computer (PC)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#73 computer bootlaces
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#74 computer bootlaces
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011n.html#48 The men who crashed the world
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011p.html#31 21st Century Management approach?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012.html#17 What's your favorite quote on "accountability"?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012g.html#22 Psychology Of Fraud: Why Good People Do Bad Things
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012g.html#77 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#53 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012p.html#55 Search Google, 1960:s-style
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012p.html#64 IBM Is Changing The Terms Of Its Retirement Plan, Which Is Frustrating Some Employees
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#4 HSBC's Settlement Leaves Us In A Scary Place
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#73 Why DOJ Deemed Bank Execs Too Big To Jail
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#8 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?

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Ex-Wall Street chieftains living large in post-meltdown world

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From: lynn@garlic.com
Subject: Ex-Wall Street chieftains living large in post-meltdown world
Date: 14 Sep 2013
Blog: Financial Crime Risk, Fraud and Security
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#36 Ex-Wall Street chieftains living large in post-meltdown world

Lehman Brothers collapse: was capitalism to blame?; The near-meltdown in 2008 was a failure of contemporary economic models' understanding of the role and functioning of financial markets
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/sep/13/lehman-brothers-was-capitalism-to-blame

or the crooks had captured many of the economists similar to how they captured the regulatory agencies.

"Inside Job" references how leading economists were captured similar to the capture of the regulatory agencies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_Job_(2010_film)

"Economists and the Powerful: Convenient Theories, Distorted Facts, Ample Rewards" goes into the capture of economists in more detail
http://www.amazon.com/Economists-Powerful-Convenient-Distorted-ebook/dp/B009K44OW2

loc72-74:
Only through having been caught so blatantly with their noses in the troughs (e.g. the 2011 Academy Award -- winning documentary Inside Job) has the American Economic Association finally been forced to adopt an ethical code, and that code is weak and incomplete compared with other disciplines.

... another quote loc957-62:
The AEA was pushed into action by a damning research report into the systematic concealment of conflicts of interest by top financial economists and by a letter from three hundred economists who urged the association to come up with a code of ethics. Epstein and Carrick-Hagenbarth (2010) have shown that many highly influential financial economists in the US hold roles in the private financial sector, from serving on boards to owning the respective companies. Many of these have written on financial regulation in the media or in scholarly papers. Very rarely have they disclosed their affiliations to the financial industry in their writing or in their testimony in front of Congress, thus concealing a potential conflict of interest.

... snip ..

related past posts toxic CDOs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#toxic.cdo
and too big to fail
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail

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The Original IBM Basic Beliefs for those that have never seen them

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From: lynn@garlic.com
Subject: The Original IBM Basic Beliefs for those that have never seen them.
Date: 15 Sep 2013
Blog: IBM co/ex workers independent group
past posts mentioning Future System and failure in the mid-70s
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys

from: "Computer Wars: The Post-IBM World" Ferguson & Morris:
... and perhaps most damaging, the old culture under Watson Snr and Jr of free and vigorous debate was replaced with sycophancy and make no waves under Opel and Akers. It's claimed that thereafter, IBM lived in the shadow of defeat

... and:
But because of the heavy investment of face by the top management, F/S took years to kill, although its wrongheadedness was obvious from the very outset. "For the first time, during F/S, outspoken criticism became politically dangerous," recalls a former top executive.

... snip ...

downward slide continued until the early 90s and the company reorganized into the 13 "baby blues" in preparation to breaking up the company.
http://techland.time.com/2012/12/28/today-in-time-tech-history-piston-less-power-1959-ibms-decline-1992-tivo-1998-and-more/

from above:
When it comes to dominating an industry, few companies have done so with the overpowering force of International Business Machines. From gigantic mainframes and tiny laptops to semiconductors and software, IBM ruthlessly called the shots for the entire industry after the computer became a commercial item about 40 years ago. So tight was IBM's market grip that it was practically impossible for any computer company to do business without being tied in some way to the Big Blue colossus.

How the mighty have fallen.


... snip ...

the board then brought in Gerstner to reverse the breakup and resurrect the company.

In the mid-80s, the top executives were predicting that the company revenue would double from $60B to $120B/annum ... mostly based on mainframes (even tho the signs were it was already starting to change) and instituted a massive internal building program to double mainframe manufacturing capacity.

A year or two later a senior disk engineer managed to get a talk scheduled at the annual, worldwide, internal communication group conference ... supposedly on the subject of 3174 performance ... but opened the talk with the statement that the communication group was going to be responsible for the demise of the disk division.

the issue was the communication group was desperately trying to fight off client/server and distributed computing and protect their dumb (emulated) terminal install base. the disk division was seeing a drop in disk sales with data fleeing the datacenters to more distributed computing friendly platforms. the disk division had come up with a number of solutions to address the opportunities ... but they were constantly being vetoed by the communication group ... which had corporate strategic responsibility for everything that crossed the datacenter walls. past posts mentioning the dump terminal paradigm

past posts mentioning the dump terminal paradigm
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#terminal

also note these kind of battles with communication group go back even further. my wife had been con'ed into going to POK to be in charge of mainframe loosely-coupled architecture ... where she did peer-coupled shared data architecture

... which saw little uptake until sysplex ... except for IMS hot-standby. The lack of uptake contributed to her not staying long ... however also there were the re-occuring battles with the communication group trying to force her into using SNA for loosely-coupled operation. There would be periodic termporary truces where they said she could use anything she wanted within the datacenter, but the communication group owned everything that crossed the datacenter walls ... but they would then resume their efforts to try and force her to use SNA.

The time article discussing splitting of IBM into 13 "baby blues" is behind paywall but there is discussion in this old businessweek artcile
http://www.businessweek.com/stories/1993-02-07/ibm-after-akers

above article was before Gerstner selected as replacement.

later in 90s, IBM and other large corporations lobbied to have treatment of pension reserves changed to an asset so they show up increasing corporate value and spike price/share ... motivation was that the top execs bonus plan tied to price/share. lots of top executives have their bonuses tied to stock price ... stock buybacks also boost stock price and helps make their bonuses

Stockman in "The Great Deformation: The Corruption of Capitalism in America" ... talks about stock buybacks as a mini-form of LBO (leverage buyout), with the executives reaping huge rewards,

pg457/loc9844-46:
The leader was ExxonMobil, which repurchased $160 billion of its own shares during 2004-2011. It was followed by Microsoft at $100 billion, IBM at $75 billion, and Hewlett-Packard, Proctor & Gamble, and Cisco with $50 billion each. Even the floundering shipwreck of merger mania known as Time Warner Inc. bought back $25 billion.

pg464/loc9995-10000:
IBM was not the born-again growth machine trumpeted by the mob of Wall Street momo traders. It was actually a stock buyback contraption on steroids. During the five years ending in fiscal 2011, the company spent a staggering $67 billion repurchasing its own shares, a figure that was equal to 100 percent of its net income.

pg465/10014-17:
Total shareholder distributions, including dividends, amounted to $82 billion, or 122 percent, of net income over this five-year period. Likewise, during the last five years IBM spent less on capital investment than its depreciation and amortization charges, and also shrank its constant dollar spending for research and development by nearly 2 percent annually.

... snip ...

past posts mentioning Gerstner
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#gerstner
a little drift, past posts mentioning private equity companies
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#private.equity

recent posts referencing "The Great Deformation":
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#5 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#13 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#23 What Makes weapons control Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#30 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#49 As an IBM'er just like the Marines only a few good men and women make the cut,
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#63 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#5 SAS Deserting the MF?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#69 What Makes collecting sales taxes Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#2 IBM Relevancy in the IT World
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#50 IBM Furloughs U.S. Hardware Employees to Reduce Costs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#51 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#57 The agency problem and how to create a criminogenic environment

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Mainframe On Cloud

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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Subject: Re: Mainframe On Cloud
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Date: 15 Sep 2013 08:16:06 -0700
Kerneels@ABSOFTWARECONSULTANTS.COM (AbsKerneels) writes:
You are assuming the following :

a) You are talking and responding to an educated question/crowd b) That the mainframe can compete price wise with what DROPBOX's/Google Drive/YOUTUBE etc. etc. can do.. and I have not seen that any where yet.. or THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE based on the current IBM BUSINESS MODEL.


lots of cloud computing is related to on-demand and significant provisioning datacenter for resources sitting available to instantaneously come online on-demand.

typical cloud mega-datacenters have hundreds of thousands of systems and millions of processors ... large percentage sitting idle waiting for demand (any one of these mega-datacenters possibly have more processing power than the aggregate of all mainframes in the world today).

max. configured z196 has 80 processors, a 50BIPS processing rating and goes for $28M ... or $560,000/BIPS. IBM financials has it getting a total of $6.25 from mainframe customers for every mainframe processor dollar ... or IBM collects an avg. of $175M for $28M z196 ... which works out to $3.5M/BIPS.

i86 server chip makers are now saying that they are shipping more chips directly to the big mega-datacenters (that assemble their own systems and these volumes don't show in the server market numbers) than they ship to the brand name server makers. IBM has base list price of $1810 for a e5-2600 blade ... which have 527BIPS processor rating ... or $3.44/BIPS (a million times less than z196). however, major cloud operators claim they assemble their own systems for 1/3rd the price of brand name vendors ... which possibly brings it down close to $1/BIPS.

There are rumors that major brand name server vendors now outsourcing assemblies for major cloud operations at close to those numbers ... significantly increasing downward pressure on server margins and commoditizing the market (possibly contributing to news earlier this year about IBM trying to sell-off its server business).

the enormous drop in system costs have increased the relative percentage of other costs for operating a cloud megadatacenters ... which is major motivation for cloud megadatacenters being at the forefront of green technologies, power consumption, cooling technologies, manual administration, etc. the i86 server chip makers have been pushed by these megadatacenters for major optimization in power&cooling per computation ... as well as dropping to near zero when idle ... but being able to instantaneously come up to full operation on-demand.

an old long-winded discussion in (linkedin) "Old Geeks"
http://lnkd.in/mGd4j5

regarding this article

The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.infoworld.com/d/cloud-computing/the-cloud-killing-traditional-hardware-and-software-216963

more recent "Old Geeks" discussion
http://lnkd.in/MbiakK

regarding this article

A Brief History of Cloud Computing
http://blog.softlayer.com/2013/virtual-magic-the-cloud/

recent posts mentioning cloud computing:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#92 Continuing cloud computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#19 Where Does the Cloud Cover the Mainframe?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#37 Where Does the Cloud Cover the Mainframe?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#50 Where Does the Cloud Cover the Mainframe?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#57 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#58 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#61 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#63 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#69 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#72 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#73 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#74 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#78 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#80 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#6 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#12 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#21 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#43 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#45 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#50 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#93 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#3 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#4 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#5 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#6 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#8 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#10 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#14 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#15 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#14 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#53 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#66 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#23 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#24 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#31 IBM vs. Amazon for Cloud
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#32 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#3 A Brief History of Cloud Computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#4 A Brief History of Cloud Computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#18 A Brief History of Cloud Computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#19 A Brief History of Cloud Computing

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Mainframe On Cloud

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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Subject: Re: Mainframe On Cloud
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Date: 15 Sep 2013 12:44:09 -0700
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#50 Mainframe on Cloud

latest from IBM

IBM launches NeXtScale, packs more cores in racks; Summary: The NeXtScale System can pack up to 84 x86 systems and 2,016 cores in a standard 19-inch one unit (1U) rack.
http://www.zdnet.com/ibm-launches-nextscale-packs-more-cores-in-racks-7000020432/

i.e. 2016 cores (processors)

previously a 1st generation e5-2600 at 527BIPS is the equivalent of 10.5 max configured z196 80 processor systems.

e5-2600 is two chips with 8processor per chip or 16 processors ... or 33BIPS/processor ... by comparison
z900, 16 processors, 2.5BIPS (156MIPS/proc), Dec2000
z990, 32 processors, 9BIPS, (281MIPS/proc), 2003
z9, 54 processors, 18BIPS (333MIPS/proc), July2005
z10, 64 processors, 30BIPS (469MIPS/proc), Feb2008
z196, 80 processors, 50BIPS (625MIPS/proc), Jul2010
EC12, 101 processors, 75BIPS (743MIPS/proc), Aug2012


... i.e. compared to 1st generation e5-2600 at 33BIPS/processor ... a first generation e5-2600 blade is still the equivalent processing of seven max. configured 101 processor EC12

latest intel generation

Intel Shows 14nm Broadwell Consuming 30% Less Power Than 22nm Haswell
http://hothardware.com/News/Intel-Shows-14nm-Broadwell-Consuming-30-Less-Power-Than-22nm-Haswell/

other recent posts mentioning e5-2600
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#10 From build to buy: American Airlines changes modernization course midflight
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#16 From build to buy: American Airlines changes modernization course midflight
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#17 Still think the mainframe is going away soon: Think again. IBM mainframe computer sales are 4% of IBM's revenue; with software, services, and storage it's 25%
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#38 DEC/PDP minicomputers for business in 1968?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#5 mainframe "selling" points
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#6 mainframe "selling" points
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#7 mainframe "selling" points
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#8 mainframe "selling" points
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#10 FW: mainframe "selling" points -- Start up Costs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#15 A Private life?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#59 Why Intel can't retire X86
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#60 Why Intel can't retire X86
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#63 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#68 relative mainframe speeds, was What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#84 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#88 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#5 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#16 relative mainframe speeds, was What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#4 Oracle To IBM: Your 'Customers Are Being Wildly Overcharged'
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#35 Reports: IBM may sell x86 server business to Lenovo
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#37 Where Does the Cloud Cover the Mainframe?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#38 Reports: IBM may sell x86 server business to Lenovo
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#51 Reports: IBM may sell x86 server business to Lenovo
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#57 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#64 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#70 How internet can evolve
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#72 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#73 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#74 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#2 A Complete History Of Mainframe Computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#4 A Complete History Of Mainframe Computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#5 SAS Deserting the MF?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#7 SAS Deserting the MF?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#14 Tech Time Warp of the Week: The 50-Pound Portable PC, 1977
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#23 Old data storage or data base
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#43 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#49 A Complete History Of Mainframe Computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#50 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#93 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#3 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#5 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#6 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#40 The Mainframe is "Alive and Kicking"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#79 Why does IBM keep saying things like this:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#80 Minicomputer Pricing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#47 Making mainframe technology hip again
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#59 Making mainframe technology hip again
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#60 Making mainframe technology hip again
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#86 IBM unveils new "mainframe for the rest of us"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#53 spacewar
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#31 model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?

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Lehman Brothers collapse: was capitalism to blame?

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From: lynn@garlic.com
Subject: Lehman Brothers collapse: was capitalism to blame?
Date: 15 Sep 2013
Blog: Google+
re:
https://plus.google.com/102794881687002297268/posts/37AjpK8fJ9a

Lehman Brothers collapse: was capitalism to blame? The near-meltdown in 2008 was a failure of contemporary economic models' understanding of the role and functioning of financial markets
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/sep/13/lehman-brothers-was-capitalism-to-blame

or the crooks had captured many of the economists similar to how they captured the regulatory agencies.

"Inside Job" references how leading economists were captured similar to the capture of the regulatory agencies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_Job_(2010_film)

"Economists and the Powerful: Convenient Theories, Distorted Facts, Ample Rewards" goes into the capture of economists in more detail
http://www.amazon.com/Economists-Powerful-Convenient-Distorted-ebook/dp/B009K44OW2

loc72-74:
Only through having been caught so blatantly with their noses in the troughs (e.g. the 2011 Academy Award -- winning documentary Inside Job) has the American Economic Association finally been forced to adopt an ethical code, and that code is weak and incomplete compared with other disciplines.

... another quote loc957-62:
The AEA was pushed into action by a damning research report into the systematic concealment of conflicts of interest by top financial economists and by a letter from three hundred economists who urged the association to come up with a code of ethics. Epstein and Carrick-Hagenbarth (2010) have shown that many highly influential financial economists in the US hold roles in the private financial sector, from serving on boards to owning the respective companies. Many of these have written on financial regulation in the media or in scholarly papers. Very rarely have they disclosed their affiliations to the financial industry in their writing or in their testimony in front of Congress, thus concealing a potential conflict of interest.

... snip ..

Five Years After Lehman, BIS Ex-Chief Economist Warns "It's Worse This Time"
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-15/five-years-after-lehman-bis-ex-chief-economist-warns-its-worse-time
Financial crisis five years later: We don't know what to do next time
http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2013/09/financial_crisis_five_years_later_we_don_t_know_what_to_do_next_time.html
Do the Democrats Really Want to Bear the Blame for a Crash that Wall Street Will Cause?
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/09/do-the-democrats-really-want-to-bear-the-blame-for-a-crash-that-wall-street-will-cause.html
Ding Dong, the Witch is Dead, Summers Withdraws Name from Fed Chair
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/09/ding-dong-the-witch-is-dead-summers-withdraws-name-from-fed-chair-race.html

as things were crashing there were articles trying to blame economic models but appeared to be obfuscation and misdirection ... there were more articles by risk managers who said they were forced by the business people to fiddle the model inputs until they came up with the desired results (GIGO)

mortgages used to be originated by regulated depository institutions and then possibly sold to GSEs if they met various standards. that all changed when unregulated loan originators found that they could package the loans, pay the rating agencies for triple-A ratings (when both the sellers and the rating agencies knew they weren't worth triple-A, from testimony at Oct2008 congressional hearings) and sell them through wallstreet.

Being able to pay for triple-A rating enable loan originators to do no-documentation, liar loans and immediately sell everything they originated, as fast as they could originate ... they no longer had to care about buyers qualifications and/or loan quality. The triple-A rating opened up the market to institutions that were restricted to only dealing in "safe" investments (like large institutional retirement funds) and enabled over $27T to being done during the bubble:
Evil Wall Street Exports Boomed With 'Fools' Born to Buy Debt
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&refer=home&sid=a0jln3.CSS6c

The wallstreet skim on the over $27T was significant factor in wallstreet tripling in size (as percent of GDP) during the bubble. In addition to the over $27T in CDOs ... wallstreet did enormous CDS gambling bets during the bubble (although some of these were fixed, they created CDOs designed to fail, sold them to their customers, and then made CDS bets that they would fail).

Congress had passed legislation preventing CDS from being regulated. However, Congress did pass Sarbanes-Oxley claiming that it would prevent future Enrons & Worldcoms and supposedly guaranteed top executives and auditors would do jail time. However, it may have been legislative decoy ... since it required SEC to do something (note that SOX also required SEC to do something about the rating agencies). SEC not doing anything put the head of SEC near the top of many lists of those responsible for the economic mess. Possibly even GAO didn't think SEC was doing anything and started doing reports of public company fraudulent financial filings, even showing increase after SOX passed. The congressional Madoff hearings also had the person that had tried unsuccessfully for a decade to get SEC to do something about Madoff (SEC was finally forced to do something, when Madoff turned himself in).

past posts mentioning toxic CDOs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#toxic.cdo
past posts mentioning Sarbanes-Oxley
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#sarbanes-oxley
past posts mentioning enron
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#enron
past posts mentioning madoff
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#madoff
past posts mentioning "financial reporting fraud"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#financial.reporting.fraud
past posts mentioning congress as kabuki theater
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#kabuki.theater

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Mainframe On Cloud

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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Subject: Re: Mainframe On Cloud
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Date: 15 Sep 2013 19:36:21 -0700
jperryma@PACBELL.NET (Jon Perryman) writes:
Comparing MIPS (or BIPS) for different platforms is useless where instruction sets are so diverse. While you say the E5-2600 is 10.5 times the BIPS of the z196, the reality is they are probably close to the same workload. Consider MVC versus MOV instructions. MVC can move 256 bytes versus 8 bytes for MOV. On the intel, 128 instructions are executed for a single MVC (a loop that increments a counter, if count not reached then loop (4 instructions). 256 bytes / 8 bytes  * 4 instructions =  128 instructions needed for the single MVC instruction. Your 10.5 number now becomes 0.08. Neither of these numbers comes close to reflecting a true comparison. 

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#50 Mainframe on Cloud
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#51 Mainframe on Cloud

dhrystone MIPS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instructions_per_second

used for these benchmarks aren't directly count of instructions ... but number of dhrystone iterations compared to the base 370/158 count ... taken to be one MIPS. there are "dhrystone mips" published for a large number of different CICS and RISC processors.

part of the issue is that RISC technologies had significant performance advantage over i86 systems for a long time ... out-of-order execution, speculative execution, branch prediction, etc ... in part compensating for increasing mismatch between processor speed and memory access latency ... current access latency to memory measured in count of processor cycles is similar to 60s access latency to disk measured in 60s processor cycles (in that sense, out-of-order execution is similar to 60s multitasking).

out-of-order exectuion in pipelines was used in 360 & 370 195 ... however, it didn't have branch prediction and/or speculative execution ... so conditional branches drained the pipeline. Specially tuned codes kept the execution units busy at peak throughput ... but most codes only ran 1/2 throughput. I got asked to help with a project for hyperthreading 370/195 ... simulating two processors ... two instruction streams had chance of keeping 195 execution operating at peak throughput ... although it never shipped.

for the past several generations, i86 server chips have moved to risc cores with hardware layer translating i86 instructions into risc micro-ops ... largely negating the throughput difference between i86 and risc.

z196 documentation claims that half of the processor throughput improvement over z10 processor has been the incorporation of risc out-of-order execution features ... and much of the ec12 processor thruoughput improvement over z196 processor is addition of risc-like improvements.
z900, 16 processors, 2.5BIPS (156MIPS/proc), Dec2000
z990, 32 processors, 9BIPS, (281MIPS/proc), 2003
z9, 54 processors, 18BIPS (333MIPS/proc), July2005
z10, 64 processors, 30BIPS (469MIPS/proc), Feb2008
z196, 80 processors, 50BIPS (625MIPS/proc), Jul2010
EC12, 101 processors, 75BIPS (743MIPS/proc), Aug2012


...

I had run precursor to dhrystone for LLNL benchmark on engineering 4341 ... LLNL was looking at getting 70 4341s for compute farm ... sort of precursor to GRID computing ... which has also subsequently morphed into CLOUD computing.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006y.html#email790220

note POK 3033 reaction to the 4341 numbers in some sense was similar to some of the current mainframe FUD. at one point, POK management got the allocation for a critical 4341 manufacturing component cut in half. other old 4300 email
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#43xx

other widely used benchmarks are TPC
http://www.tpc.org/
and SPEC
http://www.spec.org/benchmarks.html

even IBM publishes results for hundreds of such benchmarks (although not for mainframes).

trivia ... Jim Gray was largely responsible for TPC benchmarks.
http://www.tpc.org/information/who/gray.asp

I worked with him at IBM San Jose Research before he left for Tandem ... when he pawned off bunch of stuff on me ... consulting with IMS group ... interfacing to early System/R customers ... original sql/relational dbms ... some past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#systemr

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Mainframe On Cloud

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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Subject: Re: Mainframe On Cloud
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Date: 16 Sep 2013 07:37:14 -0700
shmuel+gen@PATRIOT.NET (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes:
If the count is exactly 258 the the loop is a single MOV with a repeat prefix. You need additional instructions if you don't know the length to be a multiple of 8.

But your point remains valid, and is stronger if you look at the long compare, convert, move and translate instructions on z.


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#50 Mainframe on Cloud
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#51 Mainframe on Cloud
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#53 Mainframe on Cloud

besides dhrystone mips is number of dhrystone iterations compared to number performed by baseline 370/158 calibrated as 1 MIPS .... there were old comparisons of eggregiously heavy-weight processing by VTAM.

at the time open-system were trying to reduce TCP/IP stack pathlength from 5k instructions and 5 buffer copies ... even working on direct I/O from the application w/o buffer copy ... the somewhat equivalent VTAM LU6.2 processing had 150k instruction pathlength and 16 buffer copies. for 4k to 8k data, the buffer copies would actually take more processor cycles than the actual instructions ... and result in lots of unnecessary cache pollution (why some platforms have implemented cache bypass data moves).

the original mainframe TCP/IP stack product was done in VS/Pascal outside VTAM. For various reasons the implementation had poor performance getting about 44kbytes/sec throughput using nearly full 3090 processor. I did the modifications to the product for RFC1044 support and in some tuning tests at cray research between cray and 4341 ... got sustained 4341 channel throughput using only modest amount of 4341 processor (possibly 500 times improvement in number of bytes moved per instruction executed). past posts mentioning doing RFC1044 support
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#1044

later the communication group contracted for a tcp/ip stack implementation inside VTAM ... the contractor initially demonstrated TCP throughput much higher than LU6.2. The communication group then told the contractor that everybody *knows* that a *correct* tcp/ip implementation is much slower than LU6.2 ... and they would only be *paying* for a *correct* implementation.

separate from pathlength there is issue of I/O. In 1980, I got con'ed into doing channel extender support for STL ... it was bursting at the seams and they were moving 300 people from the IMS group to an offsite building (unrelated to Gray con'ing me in to doing DBMS consulting for IMS group). They had tried remote 3270 support but found the human factors totally unacceptable. The channel extender support allowed putting local channel attach 3270 controllers at the remote site connected back to mainframes in the STL datacenter. Part of the support was downloading channel programs to the channel emulator at the remote site ... eliminating significant channel program protocol chatter latency back&forth between the mainframe and the remote site.

The vendor tried to get IBM approval to ship my channel extender support ... but there was a group in POK playing with some serial technology, that managed to get the approval turned down ... they were apparently afraid that having that support in the market, it might make it more difficult for them shipping their technology.

In 1988, I was asked to help LLNL standarize some serial technology they had. This morphs into fibre channel standard (FCS) ... including support for I/O programs at remote ends. Then in 1990, the POK group finally gets their serial technology shipped as ESCON with ES/9000 ... by which time it was already obsolete.

Some POK channel engineers become involved in FCS and define an extremely heavyweight layer that drastically cuts the throughput of the native FCS ... which eventually ships as FICON. some past posts mentioning FICON
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#ficon

Recent z196 "peak" I/O IBM benchmark used 104 FICONs and 14 SAPs to achieve 2M IOPS. By comparison, a recent FCS announced for e5-2600 claimed over million IOPS (i.e. two such e5-2600 FCS would have higher throughput than "peak" z196 with 104 FCS that have FICON layered on top).

The TCW enhancements to FICON appear to be similar to what I did over 30yrs ago in 1980 for channel-extender and minimizing the associated channel program chatter latency ... but appears to only slightly narrow the throughput gap between FICON layer and native FCS.

IBM numbers also has peak z196 throughput of 2.2M SSCHs with all SAPs running at 100% busy ... however, IBM recommendation is SAPs be limited to 70% busy ... or 1.5M SSCHs.

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"NSA foils much internet encryption"

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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Subject: Re: "NSA foils much internet encryption"
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Date: 16 Sep 2013 09:30:45 -0700
ip4work@GMAIL.COM (J.P.) writes:
Maybe this gets their attention back? (hopefully few of the list usual readers also:)

Been reading a bit on the subject, and one detail caught my eye... ... NSA is pushing ecliptic curves since 2009 as "the next best thing" (guess why;) (http://www.nsa.gov/business/programs/elliptic_curve.shtml)

Now, whats that crypto that IBMers are always mentioning on the security conf. in Montpellier? ECC? :)


longer than that ... technical director in the Information Assurance Directorate had me give a talk in his assurance panel at IDF in trusted computing track ... gone 404 but lives on at wayback machine
http://web.archive.org/web/20011109072807/http://www.intel94.com/idf/spr2001/sessiondescription.asp?id=stp+s13

as well come in to give a talk to the other technical directors in the information assurance directorate.

I was looking to get better than EAL4+ evaluation on a chip ... but NIST pulled the ECC evaluation criteria just before AADS chip strawman evaluation ... had to settle for EAL4+ because ECC was baked into the silicon of the chip. Since 90s, I was semi-facetiously saying I would take a $500 milspec chip, aggressively cost reduce it by 2-3 orders of magnitude (eventually under dollar) while improving security.

IA had presence in the X9 financial industry standards meetings ... and there were references to rifts between IA and SIGINT ... but for all I know that may have just been misdirection.

as an aside ... old reference to early jan92 meeting in ellison conference room
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/95.html#13
part of our ha/cmp product ... some past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hacmp

end of jan92, cluster scaleup is transferred and we are told we can't work on anything with more than four processors ... significant contributor in decision to leave. two of the other people mentioned in the Ellison meeting later leave to go to small silicon valley client/server startup. We are then brought in as consultants because they want to do payment transactions on their server, the startup had also invented this technology called "SSL" they want to use ... the result is now frequently called "electronic commerce".

we have to map SSL technology to payment transactions as well as establish a lot of security deployment and use requirements. almost immediately, several of the requirements were violated ... accounting for many of the exploits that continue to this day.

part of the work required developing something called "payment gateway" (interface between internet and payment networks that ecommerce servers interacted with) ... we've periodically claim it was the original SOA ... some past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#payments

I was given final authority on everything between ecommerce servers and payment gateways ... but could only recommend operation between ecommerce servers and browser clients (partially accounting for drop of several security requirements).

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"NSA foils much internet encryption"

From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Subject: Re: "NSA foils much internet encryption"
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Date: 16 Sep 2013 13:04:17 -0700
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#55 NSA foils much internet encryption

other trivia ... ECC original invented Miller at IBM Yorktown
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_S._Miller
followed by Koblitz at UofW
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neal_Koblitz

Miller had been in the Yorktown 801 group
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_801
... some old email mentioning 801
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#801
unrelated old crypto email
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#crypto

I had been at IBM San Jose research ... and had lots of latitude to do things around San Jose ... including allowed to play disk engineer in bldgs. 14&15 ... some past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#disk
and support world-wide online sales&marketing HONE in palo alto ... some past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hone
also past posts mentioning original sql/relational
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#systemr

however, I was blamed for online computer conferencing ... some past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#cmc

on the internal network (larger than the arpanet/internet from just about the beginning until late '85 or possibly early '86) in the late 70s and early 80s ... folklore is that when executive committee was told about online computer conferencing (and internal network), 5of6 wanted to fire me. some past posts about internal network
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#internalnet

possibly as part of punishment, they made me report to Yorktown ... but allowed me to live&work in san jose ... although I had to commute to ykt a couple times a month.

recent posts realizing in the late 80s that there were three kinds of crypto
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#77 German infosec agency warns against Trusted Computing in Windows 8
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#88 NSA and cryptanalysis

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What the Orgy of "Lehman Five Years On" Stories Missed

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From: lynn@garlic.com
Subject: What the Orgy of "Lehman Five Years On" Stories Missed
Date: 16 Sep 2013
Blog: Google+
re:
https://plus.google.com/102794881687002297268/posts/VByPXmBS8wu

What the Orgy of "Lehman Five Years On" Stories Missed
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/09/what-the-orgy-of-lehman-five-years-on-stories-missed.html

then there is On Janet Yellen's (In)Ability At Foreseeing The Financial Crisis
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-16/janet-yellens-inability-foreseeing-financial-crisis

securitized mortgages had been used during the S&L crisis to obfuscate fraudulent mortgages. Late 90s, we were asked to look at improving the integrity of supporting documents in securitized mortgages (as countermeasure to fraud). However when unregulated loan originators discovered that they could pay rating agencies for triple-A ratings ... they were then able to do no-documentation, liar mortgages ... with no documentation, there was no longer an issue of documentation integrity ... aka triple-A trumps documentation

note that the no-documentation, liar loans then also results in the robo-signing scandal ... fraudulently creating the required documentation

WRIST SLAP: Justice Dept Settles Robo-Signing Fraud Case; Criminal foreclosure costs LPS just $30 per fraud.
http://dailybail.com/home/wrist-slap-justice-dept-settles-robo-signing-fraud-case.html
NY Court Reinstates Foreclosure, Chides Judge For `Robosigning' Sanctions
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2013/03/25/ny-court-reinstates-foreclosure-chides-judge-for-robosigning-sanctions/

David Stockman On 2008: "Hank Paulson's Folly: AIG Was Safe Enough to Fail" Part 1
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-16/david-stockman-2008-hank-paulsons-folly-aig-was-safe-enough-fail-part-1

recent posts mentioning Lehman
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#60 Choice of Mary Jo White to Head SEC Puts Fox In Charge of Hen House
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#28 Senator Sherrod Brown Drops a Bombshell in Mary Jo White's Hearing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#29 Bank Holiday In Cyprus
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#40 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#73 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#81 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#2 Too-Big-To-Fail, Too-Big-To-Prosecute, Too-Big-To-Jail, not just a problem in the USA
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#22 What Makes bank regulation and insurance Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#29 What Makes bank regulation and insurance Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#36 Fed proposes annual assessments for large financial companies
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#36 Ex-Wall Street chieftains living large in post-meltdown world
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#38 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#40 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#43 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#48 Ex-Wall Street chieftains living large in post-meltdown world
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#52 Lehman Brothers collapse: was capitalism to blame?

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OT: NYT article--the rich get richer

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: OT:  NYT article--the rich get richer
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 18:47:12 -0400
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#38 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#40 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#42 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#43 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#45 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#47 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer

also google+
https://plus.google.com/102794881687002297268/posts/VByPXmBS8wu
and
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#57 What the Orgy of "Lehman Five Years On" Stories Missed
as well as
https://plus.google.com/102794881687002297268/posts/37AjpK8fJ9a
and
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#52 Lehman Brothers collapse: was capitalism to blame?

What the Orgy of "Lehman Five Years On" Stories Missed
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/09/what-the-orgy-of-lehman-five-years-on-stories-missed.html

unrelated, add to what's listed above: JPM's London Whale Fine: At Least $750 Million
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-16/jpms-london-whale-fine-least-750-million

semi-related: On Janet Yellen's (In)Ability At Foreseeing The Financial Crisis
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-16/janet-yellens-inability-foreseeing-financial-crisis

securitized mortgages had been used during the S&L crisis to obfuscate fraudulent mortgages. Late 90s, we were asked to look at improving the integrity of supporting documents in securitized mortgages (as countermeasure to fraud). However when unregulated loan originators discovered that they could pay rating agencies for triple-A ratings ... they were then able to do no-documentation, liar mortgages ... with no documentation, there was no longer an issue of documentation integrity ... aka triple-A trumps documentation old long-winded post from Jan1999
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay3.htm#riskm

note that the no-documentation, liar loans then also results in the robo-signing scandal ... fraudulently creating the required documentation

WRIST SLAP: Justice Dept Settles Robo-Signing Fraud Case; Criminal foreclosure costs LPS just $30 per fraud.
http://dailybail.com/home/wrist-slap-justice-dept-settles-robo-signing-fraud-case.html
NY Court Reinstates Foreclosure, Chides Judge For 'Robosigning' Sanctions
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2013/03/25/ny-court-reinstates-foreclosure-chides-judge-for-robosigning-sanctions/

over $27T done during the bubble
Evil Wall Street Exports Boomed With 'Fools' Born to Buy Debt
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&refer=home&sid=a0jln3.CSS6c

too big to fail, too big to prosecute, too big to jail
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-jail
toxic CDOs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#toxic.cdo

recent posts mentioning robo-signing fraud
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#63 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#46 OT: "Highway Patrol" back on TV
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#73 Why DOJ Deemed Bank Execs Too Big To Jail
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#80 Why DOJ Deemed Bank Execs Too Big To Jail
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#29 The agency problem and how to create a criminogenic environment
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#9 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#17 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?

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Teletypewriter Model 33

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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Subject: Re: Teletypewriter Model 33
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Date: 16 Sep 2013 23:13:43 -0700
Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> writes:
While that's mostly true, the 3174, amongst other things, kept a copy of the terminal buffer in local storage (obviously for CUT mode devices only), and only sent updates down the wire. So the extra chattiness was largely a non-issue. That did have a significant impact on file transfer programs running via a CUT mode device, which would update the terminal's buffer directly, which led IBM to add a configuration option (the somewhat infamous "File Transfer Aid Bit"), which would cause the 3174 to copy the terminal buffer back when it serviced a read command.

But things like Entry Assists definitely worked on "real" CUT mode terminals, which certainly still existed, even though many people were using PC based terminal emulators instead.


los gatos lab vlsi tools group was doing lots of work with metaware's TWS and then two of the people did a mainframe Pascal ... which was used for a lot of internal VLSI tools and later morphed into vs/pascal product ... it was also used for the original mainframe tcp/ip product ... recently mentioned in this post:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#54

in the early 80s one of the two people responsible for pascal, left and did a silicon valley startup to do a fancy 3270 controller clone ... which had a bunch of outboard functions in support of real dumb terminals. a big target was the TSO market place because of the really horrible TSO human factors and response ... and they were attempting to mask as much of it as possible. however, with the advent of ibm/pcs and 3270 terminal emulation ... that market imploded and the company disolved (it was only somebody like ibm's communication group that would have thought there was something more there). They somewhat got their investment money by showing large difference between TSO and CMS ... and claiming that they could make TSO close to CMS with enhanced functions outboard in a clone controller (customers would pay real money to make TSO semi-bearable).

I periodically visited them in their digs while the controller was under development.

other trivia ... after the 3270 clone controller company imblodes, he then goes on to be VP of software development at MIPS and when SGI buys MIPS ... he moves on to be the general manager of the SUN business unit that included JAVA.

marginally related frame tale. circa 1990, object-oriented software was becoming the range in silicon valley ... Apple had PINK effort ... a new operating system implemented in object-oriented programming, SUN had similar SPRING effort. Apple spun off much of its object-oriented into Taligent which morphed into object-oriented program development environment with object classes grouped in frameworks.

We were contacted and asked if we would consider taking over SPRING and turning it out as commercial product ... I've periodically claimed that there appeared to be some amount of overlap between SPRING and JAVA

old email
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010.html#email960203

and this past post has part of the description of SPRING's "client-side interpreter"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001j.html#32

past posts in this thread:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#20 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#21 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#22 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#23 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#24 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#25 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#33 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#35 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#44 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#46 Teletypewriter Model 33

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Retirement Heist

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From: lynn@garlic.com
Subject: Retirement Heist
Date: 18 Sep 2013
Blog: IBMers
Retirement Heist
http://www.ibmemployee.com/RetirementHeist.shtml
Retirement Heist: How Companies Plunder and Profit from the Nest Eggs of American Workers
http://www.amazon.com/Retirement-Heist-Companies-American-ebook/dp/B003QMLC6K/

A past review of Gerstner's book
http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2012/02/10/review-of-who-says-elephants-cant-dance-by-louis-gerstner.html

Sandy is in competition with Gerstner to be next CEO of AMEX, Sandy looses:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/05/15/why-jamie-dimons-2-billion-gambling-loss-will-not-speed-financial-reform/

from above:
Back in 1986, Dimon was the bright young protege of "Sandy" Weill, when he was forced out of American Express in a coup de requin. Master and servant made their way to Baltimore, Maryland, where Weill acquired a storefront moneylending firm called Commercial Credit.

... snip ...

the above also references Commercial Credit being loan sharking operation. Sandy (& Dimon) then go on to make other acquisitions ... eventually taking over Citi in violation of Glass-Steagall; Greenspan gives an exemption while Sandy lobbies congress for repeal of Glass-Steagall ... resulting in creation of too big to fail (lots of recent news in press, because of their size they have immunity for lots of criminal behavior resulting in references like too big to prosecute and too big to jail). Sandy is on times short list of those responsible for the financial mess (behind Greespan and the person in congress Sandy was lobbying for repeal of Glass-Steagall)
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877329,00.html

Dimon departs and goes on to be CEO of Chase ... another too big to fail ... also recently in the news for various financial manipulations Jamie Dimon Told Regulators He Would Not Follow Regulations
http://news.firedoglake.com/2013/03/18/jamie-dimon-told-regulators-he-would-not-follow-regulations/
CFTC Wants JPMorgan To Admit To Market Manipulation
http://news.firedoglake.com/2013/09/18/cftc-wants-jpmorgan-to-admit-to-market-manipulation/

Back to the 80s AMEX
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Express
and KKR
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohlberg_Kravis_Roberts
are in competition for take-over of RJR, KKR wins
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._J._Reynolds_Tobacco_Company
KKR runs into trouble with RJR and hires Gerstner (social media sometimes strips trailing period in URL)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_V._Gerstner,_Jr.
away to turn around RJR

About the same time as IBM is going into the red, AMEX does IPO/spin-off of a lot of its dataprocessing business as "First Data" in what was described as the largest IPO (up until that time)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Data

This has short writeup ... some of the information slightly garbled (like joining CSC is actually joining IBM, since CSC is part of IBM) ... later I do a stint as chief scientist at First Data
http://www.ibmsystemsmag.com/mainframe/stoprun/Stop-Run/Making-History/

First Data does merge with First Financial and has to divest MoneyGram because First Financial owns Western Union. With all the big influx in foreign workers sending paychecks home, by 2005 WU accounts for half the bottom line and is spun off in its own IPO. KKR then takes the remaining part of First Data private (15 years after First Data is the largest IPO, First Data has distinction of becoming the largest reverse-IPO)

after Gerstner leaves IBM becomes chairman of another large private-equity company
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlyle_Group
which then does private equity buyout of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booz_Allen_Hamilton

Spies Like Us
http://www.investingdaily.com/17693/spies-like-us/

from above:
Private contractors like Booz Allen now reportedly garner 70 percent of the annual $80 billion intelligence budget and supply more than half of the available manpower.

... snip ...

How Booz Allen Hamilton Swallowed Washington
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-23/visualizing-how-booz-allen-hamilton-swallowed-washington

Treasure Islands: Uncovering the Damage of Offshore Banking and Tax Havens
http://books.google.com/books?id=u655GkaMkwgC&pg=PA216&lpg=PA216#v=onepage&q&f=false

pg216/loc4511-14:
Plenty of good firms have gone bust as a result of this offshore debt-loading, which the New York Times in 2009 described as "a Wall Street version of 'Flip This House.'" 48 More than half of the companies that defaulted on their debt that year were either previously or currently owned by private equity firms.

... snip ...

wallstreet "Flip This House" (real-estate speculators pay off their mortgage when the house is flipped, wallstreet transfers the loan to the sold company, they even make a profit if the company is sold for less than what they paid)
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/05/business/economy/05simmons.html

Stockman in "The Great Deformation: The Corruption of Capitalism in America" ... talks about stock buybacks as a mini-form of LBO (private-equity leverage buyout), with the executives reaping huge rewards,
http://www.amazon.com/Great-Deformation-Corruption-Capitalism-ebook/dp/B00B3M3UK6/

pg464/loc9995-10000:
IBM was not the born-again growth machine trumpeted by the mob of Wall Street momo traders. It was actually a stock buyback contraption on steroids. During the five years ending in fiscal 2011, the company spent a staggering $67 billion repurchasing its own shares, a figure that was equal to 100 percent of its net income.

pg465/10014-17:
Total shareholder distributions, including dividends, amounted to $82 billion, or 122 percent, of net income over this five-year period. Likewise, during the last five years IBM spent less on capital investment than its depreciation and amortization charges, and also shrank its constant dollar spending for research and development by nearly 2 percent annually.

... snip ...

past posts referencing Gerstner
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#gerstner
past posts referencing private equity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#private equity
past posts referencing too big to fail
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail

Retirement Heist - Pension Fraud Book - Ellen Schultz
http://www.retirementheist.com/
'Retirement Heist': How Firms Trimmed Pensions : NPR
http://www.npr.org/2011/09/29/140344871/retirement-heist-how-firms-trimmed-pensions
Retirement Heist: How Firms Plunder Workers' Nest Eggs
http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2011/10/19/retirement-heist-how-firms-plunder-workers-nest-eggs/
Economics - "Retirement Heist: How Companies Plunder and Profit from the Nest Eggs of American Workers" - Book TV
http://www.booktv.org/Watch/12833/Retirement+Heist+How+Companies+Plunder+and+Profit+from+the+Nest+Eggs+of+American+Workers.aspx
Ellen Schultz Interview, Retirement Heist, Employee Pensions
http://www.aarp.org/work/retirement-planning/info-09-2011/ellen-schultz-interview-retirement-heist-author-speaks.html
When Retirees Are Shortchanged for Corporate Profits
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/18/business/when-retirees-are-shortchanged-for-corporate-profits.html
'Retirement Heist' exposes plundered pensions
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/books/reviews/story/2011-10-14/retirement-heist-book/50795990/1
Traditional Pensions are Casualties of a Retirement Heist
http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/planning-to-retire/2011/09/15/traditional-pensions-are-casualties-of-a-retirement-heist

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model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 11:08:53 -0400
Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> writes:
The S/370 was introduced in 1970, and marketing literature let one draw the conclusion (without ever stating it up front, IIRC) that the year influenced the name of the new system.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_System/360

from above reference this IBM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System/4_Pi

from above:
The name of the system is derived from the fact that the angular measure of a complete sphere (solid angle) is 4 steradians, while the angular measure of a complete circle is 360 degrees; hence System/4 Pi and System/360. This implies that System/4 Pi is a version of the IBM System/360 for the three-dimensional world of avionics.

... snip ...

also mentions 4pi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_IBM

from above:
1966: IBM System/4 Pi

IBM ships its first System/4Pi computer, designed to meet U.S. Department of Defense and NASA requirements. More than 9000 units of the 4Pi systems are delivered by the 1980s for use in the air, sea, and space.[133]


... snip ...

bitsavers system/4 pi
http://bitsavers.com/pdf/ibm/4pi/Technical_Description_of_IBM_System_4_Pi_Computers_1967.pdf

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model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 11:28:32 -0400
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#61 model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?

there was also ibm mainframe clone 2pi ... about half I believe were sold as rebranded NCSS 3200 .... past posts mentioning 2pi and/or ncss 3200
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003i.html#15 two pi, four phase, 370 clone
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#9 Status of Arpanet/Internet in 1976?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010j.html#76 What is the protocal for GMT offset in SMTP (e-mail) header
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011g.html#25 Mainframe technology in 2011 and beyond; who is going to run these Mainframes?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011p.html#56 Are prefix opcodes better than variable length?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012e.html#46 A bit of IBM System 360 nostalgia
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#72 zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing

ncss was one of the commercial online virtual machine based service operations (sort of precursor to modern cloud computing) some past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#timeshare

ncss
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_CSS
rebranded cp67
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP/CMS
as vp/css
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP/CSS

some previous refs to two pi & four phase have gone 404 ... but live on at wayback machine
http://web.archive.org/web/20030220165859/http://www.four-phase.org/

old BIO by somebody that worked on two pi (and vm370)
http://wireless.oldcolo.com/course/dewayne.txt

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OT: NYT article--the rich get richer

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: OT:  NYT article--the rich get richer
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 17:40:51 -0400
was posted to linkedin (closed) IBMers group

Retirement Heist
http://www.ibmemployee.com/RetirementHeist.shtml

IBM specific items from:

Retirement Heist: How Companies Plunder and Profit from the Nest Eggs of American Workers
http://www.amazon.com/Retirement-Heist-Companies-American-ebook/dp/B003QMLC6K/

really long-winded post ... archived here
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#60 Retirement Heist

past posts in this thread
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#38 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#40 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#42 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#43 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#45 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#47 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#58 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer

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OT: NYT article--the rich get richer

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: OT:  NYT article--the rich get richer
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:22:53 -0400
Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> writes:
The problem is that people get very worked up about a relative few people who game the system. In some cases the government spends more to catch welfare (tax, etc) cheats than they recover. You just never know about other peoples' circumstances. From time to time I'll see a young couple using foodstamps in the grocery store (although these days it's harder to tell) often dressed better than we are in what appears to be expensive clothes, but you never really do know.

aka the 52,000 wealthy americans that IRS was after for fraudulent evading taxes with swiss accounts in 2009 ... estimate $400B in evaded taxes ... then the new congress cutting IRS enforcement funding ... even tho enforcement was recoverying orders of magnitude more than being spent on recovery.

past posts mentioning tax evasion
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#tax.evasion

total medicaid spending for 2011 slightly over $400B
http://kff.org/medicaid/state-indicator/total-medicaid-spending/

there are reports that medicaid fraud may be as high as 20% ... however it appears to be mostly medicaid suppliers (not the poor) gaming the system. fed gov. has had a program to increase fed proportion from 50% to 60% (i.e. reduce state's percentage from 50% to 40%, or state's payments a 20% reduction), if the states would institute new anti-fraud best practices measures (states run medicaid with feds providing 1/2 the funding). There were some states where the medicaid supplier industry is so strong, that anti-fraud bills wouldn't pass the legislature. The possible extra half-billion or so for the state budget ... didn't do anything for the pockets of the individual members of state legislature ... but the possible 20% anti-fraud hit to medicaid supplier industry motivated the flow of lots of lobbying dollars.

then there is 2010 CBO report that previous decade, mostly after congress allowed fiscal responsibility act to expire (required spending match collections), tax collections reduced by $6T and spending increased by $6T (compared to baseline which had all federal debt retired/gone in 2010) for a $12T budget gap. past posts mentioning fiscal responsibility act
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#fiscal.responsibility.act

also, the first major legislation after fiscal responsibility act was allowed to expire in 2002 was the medicare part-d ... which the comptroller general characterized as a long-term $40T gift to the pharmaceutical industy which comes to swamp all other budget items. CBS 60mins did a segment on the process ... 18 congressional members & their staffers (from the party in power) were responsible for getting the bill passed. Just before the final vote, they inserted a one line sentence (that precludes competitive bidding) and prevented CBO from distributing analysis of the effect of that change. Not long after the bill passes, all 18 have resigned and are all pharmaceutical industry payroll. 60mins shows drugs under part-d that cost three times as much as the identical drugs from VA (which allows competitive bidding). misc. past post mentioning part-d
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#medicare.part-d

past posts mentioning comptroller general from last decade ... also referring in speeches to what congress was doing to budget after allowing fiscal responsibility act to expire would start saying that nobody in congress was capable of middle school arithmetic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#comptroller.general

another tale about resigning shortly after getting major legislature passed and taking job with party lobbying for the legislature

Catching On ... 22 Years Too Late. Instead, Can We Carefully Define "Success" .. So That We Can Aim Directly At It?
http://mikenormaneconomics.blogspot.com/2013/09/catching-on-22-years-too-late-instead.html

above also has a (Boyd) OODA-loop reference
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subboyd.html

Rubin co-chairman of Goldman before stint at US Treasury.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Rubin
and
http://www.marketswiki.com/mwiki/Robert_E._Rubin
Paulson also from Goldman before his stint at US Treasury last decade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Paulson

long-winded history ... including account of take-over of Citi in violation of Glass-Steagall; Greenspan grants exemption while Citi lobbies for repeal (enabling too big to fail). Gramm, Greespan, & Rubin involved in repeal of Glass-Steagall.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#60
includes reference
http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2012/02/10/review-of-who-says-elephants-cant-dance-by-louis-gerstner.html

Gramm (and wife) involved in more than repeal of Glass-Steagall
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#13

above also details how Mr&Mrs were largely responsible for CDS being unregulated and the resulting AIG mess. however, this claims it was Summers
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/19459-larry-summers-goldman-sacked

even more
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/127107/jon-corzine-as-treasury-secretary-would-create-goldman-sachs-royal-house/

Shortly after repeal Glass-Steagall, Rubin resigns (succeeded by Summers) to become co-chairman of Citi. During his stint there last decade, Citi has one of the worst records among the too big to fail (and needed one of the biggest bail-outs). Some other Citi past history in this long ago post from Jan1999
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay3.htm#riskm

more too big to fail
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail

Rubin characterized as mentor for both Geithner and Summers ... recent post
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#35

other recent reference to Bill Black
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#36
major theme is executives loot an institution requiring expensive clean up
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#18
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#2

random trivia: before Rubin resigned, he would show up at the financial industry critical infrastructure protection meetings held in the white house annex.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDD-63

other trivia, jan2009 I was asked to HTML'ize Pecora Hearings (30s hearings resulting in Glass-Steagall) with lots of internal x-links as well as extensive URLs between what happened then and what happened this time (some reference to expectation that new congress would have appetite to do something). I worked on it for awhile and got a call that it wouldn't be needed after all (reference to enormous piles of wallstreet money spread around capital hill).
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#Pecora&/orGlass-Steagall

it wasn't just elimination of regulation and tax collection ... but the whole atmosphere of wallstreet lawlessness and lack of any enforcement ... contributed to putting head of SEC on many lists of those responsible
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877323,00.html

toxic CDOs and over $27T done
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#toxic.cdo

Madoff hearings even had person that tried unsuccesfully for a decade to get SEC to do anything about Madoff (SEC's hands were finally forced when Madoff turned himself in)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#madoff

in the wake of enron & worldcom
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#enron
congress passes Sarbanes-Oxley
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#sarbanes-oxley

claims for Sarbanes-Oxley was that it required to SEC put top executives and auditors in jail when it found public company fraudulent financial filings ... but possibly even GAO thought SEC wasn't doing anything and starting doing reports of fraudulent financial filings ... even showing uptic after passage of Sarbanes-Oxley (and nobody doing jail time)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#financial.reporting.fraud

past posts in this thread:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#38 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#40 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#42 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#43 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#45 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#47 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#58 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#63 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer

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Voyager 1 just left the solar system using less computing powerthan your iP

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: Voyager 1 just left the solar system using less computing powerthan your iP
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:32:38 -0400
Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> writes:
Both may have taken the same time to display a full screen. Studies have shown that people are happier to start to get a partial transmission sooner rather than wait to get it all at once. On the other hand, the Univac screen probably wasn't reformatted several times during reception. People back then wouldn't have stood still for stuff that sheeple today accept as normal.

there were other studies that showed people preferred to have it instantaneously change ... especially if there was a lot of complex content.

recent discussion of difference between cms (in some cases .11sec) and tso (over second, in many cases well over several seconds) system response ... as well as difference between 3272/3277 (.08sec) amd 3274/3278 (.5sec) hardware latency (although raw transfer approx. the same, hundreds of kilobytes/sec)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#25 Teletypewriter Model 33

reference this old post
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001m.html#19 3270 protocol

which has some numbers of study done shortly after introduction of 3274/3278

other posts in above thread:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#20 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#21 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#22 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#23 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#24 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#33 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#35 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#44 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#46 Teletypewriter Model 33
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#59 Teletypewriter Model 33

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model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:49:27 -0400
Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> writes:
I was just thinking yesterday: Open-source was the standard for software until IBM went OCO in - when, 1989? Before that almost all software was open source except a few third-party packages. It's closed-source software that's the exception, and it seems to be going the way of the Dodo. In many cases open source software is as good or better than the alternatives.

early 80s.

software use to be free ... but in large part of litigation, 23jun1969 unbundling announcement ... some past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#unbundle

however, the company managed to make the case that kernel software should still be free.

early 70s, ibm started Future System effort
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys
in large part targeted to be countermeasure to clone controllers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#360pcm

during FS ... company was killing off 370 efforts ... and the lack of products during the period is credited with giving 370 processor clones a market foothold. after FS failure ... there was mad rush to get software & hardware products back into 370 product pipeline.

also in the late 70s, there was migration to start charging for kernel software ... perceived as countermeasure to the clone processors.

i had continued to do 360/370 software during the FS period ... even periodically ridiculing the FS effort (which possibly wasn't the most career enhancing activity). some old email references
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006v.html#email731212
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#email750102
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#email750430

but the mad rush to get products back into the pipeline contributed to decisions to release lots of the stuff I had been doing. Some of it was directly merged into standard product and shipped. However it was decided to package other pieces as a separate add-on kernel product making it the guinea pig for charged for kernel software (i got to spend time with business and legal people on software charging policies).
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#fairshare

for vm/370 ... the 1980 rename to vm/sp corresponded to all of kernel software charged for. not long later, begins the OCO-wars ... customers trying to justify reversing the OCO decision. Some of this shows up in vmshare archives (aka tymshare initially started offering its vm370/cms based computer conferencing free to SHARE in aug1976)
http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare/

past posts mentioning OCO-wars
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005j.html#41 TSO replacement?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005u.html#57 IPCS Standard Print Service
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006n.html#34 Not Your Dad's Mainframe: Little Iron
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006o.html#14 SEQUENCE NUMBERS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007f.html#67 The Perfect Computer - 36 bits?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#15 Data Areas Manuals to be dropped
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#15 Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007u.html#6 Open z/Architecture or Not
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007u.html#8 Open z/Architecture or Not
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008.html#14 hacked TOPS-10 monitors
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008d.html#42 VM/370 Release 6 Waterloo tape (CIA MODS)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#45 dynamic allocation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#72 Linux versioning file system
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009k.html#0 Timeline: The evolution of online communities
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009k.html#20 If you don't have access to a mainframe
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009k.html#48 Timeline: 40 Years Of Unix
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009r.html#7 The 50th Anniversary of the Legendary IBM 1401
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009r.html#49 "Portable" data centers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010j.html#17 Personal use z/OS machines was Re: Multiprise 3k for personal Use?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010j.html#19 Personal use z/OS machines was Re: Multiprise 3k for personal Use?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010j.html#20 Personal use z/OS machines was Re: Multiprise 3k for personal Use?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010j.html#22 Personal use z/OS machines was Re: Multiprise 3k for personal Use?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010k.html#30 Idiotic programming style edicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010k.html#65 Idiotic programming style edicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010k.html#67 Idiotic programming style edicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#1 Honoree pedigrees
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#15 Age
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#30 Philosophy: curiousity question
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#87 The first personal computer (PC)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#56 The real cost of outsourcing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011h.html#75 pdp8 to PC- have we lost our way?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#7 Do you remember back to June 23, 1969 when IBM unbundled
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#17 Got to remembering... the really old geeks (like me) cut their teeth on Unit Record
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011o.html#33 Data Areas?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012.html#58 An approach to Dump formatting of Control Blocks
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012j.html#20 Operating System, what is it?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012j.html#30 Can anybody give me a clear idea about Cloud Computing in MAINFRAME ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012j.html#31 How smart do you need to be to be really good with Assembler?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012j.html#79 Slackware
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012k.html#62 Any cool anecdotes IBM 40yrs of VM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#63 Is it possible to hack mainframe system??
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#26 New HD

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OT: NYT article--the rich get richer

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: OT:  NYT article--the rich get richer
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 12:47:50 -0400
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
long-winded history ... including account of take-over of Citi in violation of Glass-Steagall; Greenspan grants exemption while Citi lobbyies for repeal (enabling too big to fail). Gramm, Greespan, & Rubin involved in repeal of Glass-Steagall.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#60


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#64 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer

Retirement Heist also mentioned previous post
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#63 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer

from Retirement Heist post:

Sandy is in competition with Gerstner to be next CEO of AMEX, Sandy looses:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/05/15/why-jamie-dimons-2-billion-gambling-loss-will-not-speed-financial-reform/

from above:
Back in 1986, Dimon was the bright young protege of "Sandy" Weill, when he was forced out of American Express in a coup de requin. Master and servant made their way to Baltimore, Maryland, where Weill acquired a storefront moneylending firm called Commercial Credit.

... snip ...

above also mentions Commercial Credit was loan sharking business.

also references from post:

Jamie Dimon Told Regulators He Would Not Follow Regulations
http://news.firedoglake.com/2013/03/18/jamie-dimon-told-regulators-he-would-not-follow-regulations/
CFTC Wants JPMorgan To Admit To Market Manipulation
http://news.firedoglake.com/2013/09/18/cftc-wants-jpmorgan-to-admit-to-market-manipulation/

more from today

JPMorgan Pays Small Fine For Lying To Regulators And Manipulating Market
http://news.firedoglake.com/2013/09/19/jpmorgan-pays-small-fine-for-lying-to-regulators-and-manipulating-market/
JPMorgan Set to Pay $900 Million for 'London Whale' Trading Scandal
http://business.time.com/2013/09/19/a-whale-of-a-fine-jpmorgan-to-pay-900-million-for-trading-scandal/
J.P. Morgan 'Whale' Fine Put at Over $900 Million
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323308504579083981560096194.html?mod=djemalertMARKET
Why the JPMorgan Settlement Falls Short
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/currency/2013/09/why-the-jpmorgan-settlement-falls-short.html
JPMorgan Fined $920 Million for the London Whale Trades
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/business/2013/09/jpmorgan-fined-920-million-london-whale-trades/69614/
JPMorgan Agrees to Pay $920 Million in Fines Over Trading Loss
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/09/19/jpmorgan-chase-agrees-to-pay-920-million-in-fines-over-trading-loss/

and

Marc Faber Warns "The Endgame Is A Total Collapse - But From A Higher Diving Board Now"
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-18/marc-faber-warns-endgame-total-collapse-higher-diving-board-now
As Bernanke Blows A Bigger Bubble, Everything Is Bought
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-18/bernanke-blows-bigger-bubble-everything-bought
The Myth of Financial Reform
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2151806,00.html

past posts too big to fail
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail
past posts glass-steagall
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#Pecora&/orGlass-Steagall
past posts mentioning Gerstner
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#gerstner

other past posts mentioning Commercial Credit reference:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012g.html#9 JPM LOSES $2 BILLION USD!
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012g.html#16 Psychology Of Fraud: Why Good People Do Bad Things
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012g.html#82 How do you feel about the fact that today India has more IBM employees than US?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012g.html#87 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#45 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#79 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012k.html#31 History--punched card transmission over telegraph lines
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#32 Does the IBM System z Mainframe rely on Obscurity or is it Security by Design?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012p.html#60 Today in TIME Tech History: Piston-less Power (1959), IBM's Decline (1992), TiVo (1998) and More
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#35 Ex-Bailout Watchdog: JPMorgan's Actions "Entirely Consistent With Fraud"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#76 IBM Spent A Million Dollars Renovating And Staffing Its Former CEO's Office
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#19 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#42 More Whistleblower Leaks on Foreclosure Settlement Show Both Suppression of Evidence and Gross Incompetence
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#79 As an IBM'er just like the Marines only a few good men and women make the cut,
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#2 IBM Relevancy in the IT World
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#28 Flag bloat
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#29 The agency problem and how to create a criminogenic environment
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#31 China mulls probe into IBM, Oracle, EMC after NSA hack claims - report
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#57 The agency problem and how to create a criminogenic environment

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OT: NYT article--the rich get richer

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: OT:  NYT article--the rich get richer
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 15:08:20 -0400
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
aka the 52,000 wealthy americans that IRS was after for fraudulent evading taxes with swiss accounts in 2009 ... estimate $400B in evaded taxes ... then the new congress cutting IRS enforcement funding ... even tho enforcement was recoverying orders of magnitude more than being spent on recovery.

past posts mentioning tax evasion
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#tax.evasion


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#64 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer

one wonders how many members of congress would have got caught up in the the sweep of 52,000 wealthy americans guilty of tax evasion. there were some articles estimating between $21T and $30T is involved, including individuals, corporations and worldwide

some recent news on the tax evasion industry

From West Africa to Tibet, new locales enter the offshore secrecy market
http://www.icij.org/blog/2013/09/west-africa-tibet-new-locales-enter-offshore-secrecy-market

from above:
In most of the world, offshore tax havens are facing dark days. In June, members of the G8 agreed to crack down on offshore tax evasion, and further reforms are expected at a G20 summit this month. Even some of the world's best known tax shelters are starting to change their ways: the British Virgin Islands just entered talks with the US Treasury on compliance with US tax law, and the Swiss government just approved an agreement for Swiss banks to pay hefty fines for sheltering tax fugitives.

... snip ...

other recent posts mentioning articles from the icij.org website:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#27 Secrecy for Sale: Inside the Global Offshore Money Maze
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#28 What Makes bank regulation and insurance Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#46 Secrecy for Sale: Inside the Global Offshore Money Maze
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#95 Secrecy for Sale: Inside the Global Offshore Money Maze
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#6 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#11 Secrecy for Sale: Inside the Global Offshore Money Maze
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#13 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#69 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#3 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#19 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?

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model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 13:10:42 -0400
"Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
When we went to a disk-based system, the assembler there was amazingly slow. One program, whose source deck was almost a full box of cards, took 40 minutes to assemble. I never could figure out just why the assembler was thrashing about on disk for so long, so when I wrote my own assembler mine didn't do whatever it was. I achieved my design goal of running twice as fast as Univac's assembler - the 20 minutes saved on that big assembly meant a lot in a shop where I had bottom priority for machine access.

folklore for os/360 assembler was that person was told that there was only 256bytes available for his routine to do op-code lookup (code + data) so the op-code table was disk resident and had to be reread sequentially for each statement. things started to improve when op-code table could be kept memory resident.

my 1st undergraduate programming job was porting 1401 MPIO (tape<->reader/printer/punch) to 360/30. 1401 was front-end for 709 ibsys that ran tape->tape (tapes were moved back and forth between 1401 and 709 drives). the 360/30 was part of transition replacing 709/1401 with 360/67 for running tss/360. the 360/30 had 1401 hardware emulation and could run 1401 MPIO natively ... so my task was possibly just getting 360 experience.

It was eventually box of cards (2000) with conditional assembly for stand-alone (IPL from reader) and run under os/360. The stand-alone took around 30mins to assemble under os/360 pcp release 6 on 360/30. The OS/360 version took an hour to assemble ... the os/360 had five DCB macros that took six minutes each to assemble (it was possible to recognize in the front panel lights when it was processing DCB macro).

the datacenter shutdown on weekends ... so I got the whole place from 8am sat to 8am monday (made monday classes a little hard). I learned that the 1st thing when I came in was to do maintenance on tapes and unit record equipment ... cleaning tape drives, taking apart 2540 reader/punch and cleaning everything, etc.

past posts in thread
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#29 model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#30 model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#31 model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#32 model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#39 model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#61 model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#62 model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#66 model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?

past posts mentioning MPIO
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/93.html#15 unit record & other controllers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/93.html#17 unit record & other controllers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/93.html#23 MTS & LLMPS?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/94.html#53 How Do the Old Mainframes
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/98.html#9 ** Old Vintage Operating Systems **
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/98.html#15 S/360 operating systems geneaology
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#59 Living legends
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#130 early hardware
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000.html#79 Mainframe operating systems
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000c.html#11 IBM 1460
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000d.html#34 Assembly language formatting on IBM systems
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001.html#11 IBM 1142 reader/punch (Re: First video terminal?)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001b.html#22 HELP
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001b.html#27 HELP
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001k.html#31 Is anybody out there still writting BAL 370.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002b.html#13 Infiniband's impact was Re: Intel's 64-bit strategy
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002b.html#15 Infiniband's impact was Re: Intel's 64-bit strategy
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002f.html#47 How Long have you worked with MF's ? (poll)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002f.html#48 How Long have you worked with MF's ? (poll)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002m.html#3 The problem with installable operating systems
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002o.html#19 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Mainframe
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003h.html#30 Hardware support of "new" instructions
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003i.html#8 A Dark Day
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003i.html#12 Which monitor for Fujitsu Micro 16s?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003i.html#51 Oldest running software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003n.html#41 When nerds were nerds
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004d.html#10 IBM 360 memory
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004g.html#39 spool
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004k.html#40 Vintage computers are better than modern crap !
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004q.html#66 Will multicore CPUs have identical cores?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005c.html#54 12-2-9 REP & 47F0
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005g.html#52 Software for IBM 360/30
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005n.html#3 Data communications over telegraph circuits
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006b.html#2 Mount a tape
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#43 Binder REP Cards (Was: What's the linkage editor really wants?)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006l.html#64 Large Computer Rescue
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006n.html#1 The System/360 Model 20 Wasn't As Bad As All That
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006s.html#38 Design life of S/360 components?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#31 Decimal FP
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007d.html#51 IBM S/360 series operating systems history
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007h.html#52 ANN: Microsoft goes Open Source
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#73 Operating systems are old and busted
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007n.html#59 IBM System/360 DOS still going strong as Z/VSE
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008.html#17 Usefulness of bidirectional read/write?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008b.html#77 Usefulness of bidirectional read/write?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008k.html#47 IBM 029 keypunch -- 0-8-2 overpunch -- what hex code results?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#18 Magnetic tape storage
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#19 Magnetic tape storage
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#71 IBM tried to kill VM?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#55 1401's in high schools?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#67 Architectural Diversity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#19 greenbar
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#12 IBM Mainframe: 50 Years of Big Iron Innovation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#41 Book on Poughkeepsie
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#52 IBM 1401
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#56 Punched Card Combinations
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009m.html#38 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#74 The 50th Anniversary of the Legendary IBM 1401
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009r.html#56 You know you've been Lisp hacking to long when
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009s.html#25 PDP-10s and Unix
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#73 OT: PC clock failure--CMOS battery?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#22 history of RPG and other languages, was search engine history
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#18 How many mainframes are there?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#38 IBM 029 service manual
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#78 Software that breaks computer hardware( was:IBM 029 service manual )
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#66 PL/1 as first language
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#11 Rare Apple I computer sells for $216,000 in London
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#73 Multiple Virtual Memory
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#79 Mainframe technology in 2011 and beyond; who is going to run these Mainframes?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#53 You almost NEVER see these for sale, own a 360 console
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011g.html#70 History of byte addressing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011g.html#80 Got to remembering... the really old geeks (like me) cut their teeth on Unit Record
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011h.html#15 Is the magic and romance killed by Windows (and Linux)?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#17 Got to remembering... the really old geeks (like me) cut their teeth on Unit Record
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#17 Last card reader?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011n.html#84 Scanning JES3 JCL
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012.html#56 IBM researchers make 12-atom magnetic memory bit
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012d.html#7 PCP - memory lane
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012e.html#98 Burroughs B5000, B5500, B6500 videos
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#21 IEBPTPCH questions
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#98 PDP-10 system calls, was 1132 printer history
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#33 360/20, was 1132 printer history
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#4 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software

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50,000 x86 operating system on single mainframe

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From: lynn@garlic.com
Subject: 50,000 x86 operating system on single mainframe
Date: 20 Sep 2013
Blog: Enterprise Systems
why me. 1988 i was asked to help LLNL standardize some serial technology they had .... that includied supporting connections to the desktop. This morphs into fiber channel standard (FCS) Later some pok channel engineers get involved and define a heavyweight protocol layer ontop of FCS that drastically cuts the throughput of native FCS ... this eventually comes out as FICON. More recent there was z196 "peak" I/O benchmark that got 2M IOPS with 104 FICON. Also numbers are z196 SAPs peak at 2.2M SSCHs/sec with all running at 100% busy ... but recommends SAPs be kept to no more than 70% busy or 1.5M SSCHs/sec. There was also recently announced FCS for e5-2600 claiming over million IOPS ... or two such FCS would do more IOPS than peak z196 i/o benchmark with 104 FCS with FICON running on top.

past posts mentioning FICON
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#ficon

IBM has had base price for e5-2600 blade of $1815 ... and e5-2600 have rating of 527BIPS ... or $3.44/BIPS. Max configured 80processor z196 goes for $28M and has rating of 50BIPS or $560,000/BIPS. Large cloud megadatacenters around the world have hundreds thousands of systems and millions of processors ... any one of them more processing than the aggregate of all mainframes in the world today.There have been comments that more x86 server chips are going to the big cloud megadatacenters than are going to the brand name server venders (possibly accounting for news earlier this year about ibm trying to unload its x86 server venders) ... and it doesn't show up in the server market numbers. Big cloud vendors are also claiming they assemble their own systems for 1/3rd the price of brand name vendors ... or possibly $1/BIPS

additional e5-2600 benchmarks including vm
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/benchmarks/server/xeon-e5-2600-v2/xeon-e5-2600-v2-summary.html

... oh and IBM packing even more in racks ....IBM launches NeXtScale, packs more cores in racks; Summary: The NeXtScale System can pack up to 84 x86 systems and 2,016 cores in a standard 19-inch one unit (1U) rack.
http://www.zdnet.com/ibm-launches-nextscale-packs-more-cores-in-racks-7000020432/

part of the issue is that risc technologies have had significant throughput advantage over x86 for decades ... however, the last several generations of x86 chips have gone to risc cores with hardware layer that translates x86 instructions into risc micro-ops for execution ... largely mitigating the difference.

Even mainframes ... the claim is that in the z10 to z196 change, half the per processor performance improvement is adding risc-like features of out-of-order execution, branch prediction, and speculative execution ... with further refinements accounting for additional z196->ec12 per processor improvement
z900, 16 processors, 2.5BIPS (156MIPS/proc), Dec2000
z990, 32 processors, 9BIPS, (281MIPS/proc), 2003
z9, 54 processors, 18BIPS (333MIPS/proc), July2005
z10, 64 processors, 30BIPS (469MIPS/proc), Feb2008
z196, 80 processors, 50BIPS (625MIPS/proc), Jul2010
EC12, 101 processors, 75BIPS (743MIPS/proc), Aug2012


Note the 527BIPS number was for original e5-2600 (2chips, 8cores/chip, 16cores) or the equivalent of 10.5 max. configured 80 processor z196 (@50BIPS) or seven max configured 101 processor ec12 (@75BIPS). the IBM NeXtScale references 84 systems & 2016cores or 24cores/system is e5-2600-v2 mentioned in the Intel benchmark numbers (move from 22nm to 14nm) and 8core/chip version is 10-20% faster (for the v2 8cores/chip) ... but the 12core/chip could be better than 50% faster ... or around 800BIPS.

84 such systems would be over 6.5TIPS or 1328 max configured 80 processor z196 systems (@50BIPS) ... or around 900 max configured 101 processor ec12 systems (@75BIPS). Recent IBM financials has it selling the equivalent of approx 180 max. configured z196 per year (@$28M) ... or one such 84 system x86 NeXtScale is approx. processing equivalent of over seven years worth of z196 processor sales.

recent posts mentioning e5-2600:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#10 From build to buy: American Airlines changes modernization course midflight
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#16 From build to buy: American Airlines changes modernization course midflight
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#17 Still think the mainframe is going away soon: Think again. IBM mainframe computer sales are 4% of IBM's revenue; with software, services, and storage it's 25%
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#38 DEC/PDP minicomputers for business in 1968?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#5 mainframe "selling" points
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#6 mainframe "selling" points
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#7 mainframe "selling" points
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#8 mainframe "selling" points
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#10 FW: mainframe "selling" points -- Start up Costs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#15 A Private life?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#59 Why Intel can't retire X86
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#60 Why Intel can't retire X86
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#63 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#68 relative mainframe speeds, was What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#84 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#88 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#5 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#16 relative mainframe speeds, was What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#4 Oracle To IBM: Your 'Customers Are Being Wildly Overcharged'
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#35 Reports: IBM may sell x86 server business to Lenovo
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#37 Where Does the Cloud Cover the Mainframe?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#38 Reports: IBM may sell x86 server business to Lenovo
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#51 Reports: IBM may sell x86 server business to Lenovo
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#57 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#64 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#70 How internet can evolve
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#72 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#73 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#74 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#2 A Complete History Of Mainframe Computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#4 A Complete History Of Mainframe Computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#5 SAS Deserting the MF?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#7 SAS Deserting the MF?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#14 Tech Time Warp of the Week: The 50-Pound Portable PC, 1977
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#23 Old data storage or data base
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#43 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#49 A Complete History Of Mainframe Computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#50 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#93 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#3 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#5 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#6 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#40 The Mainframe is "Alive and Kicking"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#79 Why does IBM keep saying things like this:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#80 Minicomputer Pricing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#47 Making mainframe technology hip again
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#59 Making mainframe technology hip again
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#60 Making mainframe technology hip again
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#86 IBM unveils new "mainframe for the rest of us"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#53 spacewar
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#31 model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#50 Mainframe On Cloud
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#51 Mainframe On Cloud
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#53 Mainframe On Cloud
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#54 Mainframe On Cloud

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OT: NYT article--the rich get richer

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: OT:  NYT article--the rich get richer
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 09:32:15 -0400
5 Years After the Financial Crisis, The Big Banks Are Still Committing Massive Crimes
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-09-20/5-years-after-financial-crisis-big-banks-are-still-committing-massive-crimes

too big to fail are also too big to prosecute and too big to jail

and

Forbes Calls Goldman CEO Lloyd Blankfein Holier Than Mother Teresa
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/forbes-calls-goldman-ceo-holier-than-mother-teresa-20130920
Obama taps Goldman Sachs executive as ambassador to Canada
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2013/09/19/13446/obama-taps-goldman-sachs-executive-ambassador-canada

recent Goldman reference in thread
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#64 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer

joke has been that US Treasury is Goldman's branch office in DC

other recent posts mentioning Goldman and/or various former Goldman executives
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#2 Search Google, 1960:s-style
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#23 AIG may join bailout lawsuit against U.S. government
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#50 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#66 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#28 Neil Barofsky: Geithner Doctrine Lives on in Libor Scandal
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#41 Adair Turner: A New Debt-Free Money Advocate
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#76 Capitalism is so broken it can't be fixed Commentary: Saving capitalism will not save America
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#55 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#40 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#73 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#9 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#19 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#42 More Whistleblower Leaks on Foreclosure Settlement Show Both Suppression of Evidence and Gross Incompetence
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#31 Fed proposes annual assessments for large financial companies
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#58 Traders Said to Rig Currency Rates to Profit Off Clients
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#59 OT: "Highway Patrol" back on TV
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#3 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#22 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#73 Why DOJ Deemed Bank Execs Too Big To Jail
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#10 What Makes Infrastructure investment not bizarre
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#12 What Makes Infrastructure investment not bizarre
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#28 Flag bloat
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#29 The agency problem and how to create a criminogenic environment
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#30 Why DOJ Deemed Bank Execs Too Big To Jail
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#35 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#57 The agency problem and how to create a criminogenic environment
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#13 Jack Lew Shows His True Colors By Forcing Deregulation of Derivatives on the CFTC
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#17 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#57 What the Orgy of "Lehman Five Years On" Stories Missed
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#67 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer

other posts in this thread:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#38 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#40 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#42 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#43 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#45 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#47 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#58 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#63 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#68 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer

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