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[CM] What was your first home computer?
Time to sack the chief of computing in the NHS?
Gotcha, Tatcha! Thieves hide in servers to hoover up victims' bank card numbers mid-order
[CM] What was your first home computer?
[CM] What was your first home computer?
SDB (system determined Blksize)
[CM] What was your first home computer?
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[CM] What was your first home computer?
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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 16:04:40 -0700

Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> writes:

Yep, we call them SUVs.
Why so many USAins want to drive tanks is beyond me.

a number of years ago there was news that cal. might go after
SUVs/hummers ... a lot of people were getting them as residential
vehicles ... but claiming commercial truck tax break ...  but also many
of the residential streets have weight limit ... exceeded by hummers and
high end SUVs (and if properly enforced, prohibited on residential
streets) ... past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#55 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006s.html#13 Newisys Horus & AMD Opteron
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008l.html#54 dollar coins

from 2004

California's SUV Ban; The Golden State has outlawed big SUVs on many of
its roads but doesn't seem to know it.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/hey_wait_a_minute/2004/08/californias_suv_ban.html

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Time to sack the chief of computing in the NHS?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: Time to sack the chief of computing in the NHS?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 11:58:05 -0700

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#77 Time to sack the chief of computing in the NHS?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#78 Time to sack the chief of computing in the NHS?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#83 Time to sack the chief of computing in the NHS?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#84 Time to sack the chief of computing in the NHS?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#85 Time to sack the chief of computing in the NHS?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#86 Time to sack the chief of computing in the NHS?

long ago and far away we were brought in as consultants to a small
client/server startup that wanted to do payment transactions on their
(commerce) server (we had previously worked with the two people
responsible for the commerce server, when they were at oracle), the
startup had also invented this technology called "SSL" they wanted to
use, the result is now frequently called "electronic commerce".

Somewhat from having done "electronic commerce", we were asked to
participate in financial standards X9A10 (now over 20yrs ago) that had
been given the requirement to preserve the integrity of the financial
industry for *ALL* retail payments (not just internet). We did
end-to-end investigation of several kinds of payments and came up with
standard that met the objectives. Possibly an issue was that it
radically commoditized payments, significantly lowering barriers to
entry (affecting existing stakeholders)

earlier thread post reference to conference that Tandem/Compaq &
Atalla (ATM machine crypto company that Tandem had bought) put on for
me ... really long winded posting from Jan1999:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay3.htm#riskm

and then prototype secure chip (for both transactions and sessions) demos/booth at world wide retail banking BAI show Dec1999:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#224

trivia: the CEO of one of the security companies (originally Kerberos
startup) that participated in both the conference and the BAI demo
... had at one time been head of mainframe POK and then IBM/PC boca.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#76 Typesetting
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#79 Typesetting
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#93 Ransomware on Mainframe application ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#100 [CM] What was your first home computer?

posts on risk, fraud, exploits, threats, vulnerabilities
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#threat

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Gotcha, Tatcha! Thieves hide in servers to hoover up victims' bank card numbers mid-order

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Gotcha, Tatcha! Thieves hide in servers to hoover up victims' bank card numbers mid-order
Date: 18 May 2017
Blog: Facebook

Gotcha, Tatcha! Thieves hide in servers to hoover up victims' bank card numbers mid-order
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/17/tatcha_payment_card_data_stolen_midorder/

long ago and far away we were brought in as consultants to a small
client/server startup that wanted to do payment transactions on their
(commerce) server (we had previously worked with the two people
responsible for the commerce server, when they were at oracle), the
startup had also invented this technology called "SSL" they wanted to
use, the result is now frequently called "electronic commerce".

Somewhat from having done "electronic commerce", we were asked to
participate in financial standards X9A10 (now over 20yrs ago) that had
been given the requirement to preserve the integrity of the financial
industry for *ALL* retail payments (not just internet). We did
end-to-end investigation of several kinds of payments and came up with
standard that met the objectives. Possibly an issue was that it
radically commoditized payments, significantly lowering barriers to
entry (affecting existing stakeholders)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/x959.html

reference to conference that Tandem/Compaq & Atalla (ATM machine
crypto company that Tandem had bought) put on for me ... really long
winded posting from Jan1999:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay3.htm#riskm

Prototype secure payment demos/booth at world wide retail banking BAI
show Dec1999:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#224

trivia: the CEO of one of the security companies (originally Kerberos
startup) that participated in both the conference and the BAI demo
... had at one time been head of mainframe POK and then IBM/PC boca.

posts on risk, fraud, exploits, threats, vulnerabilities
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#threat
harvesting account number posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#harvest
naked payments metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#payments

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 08:45:48 -0700

jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:

I buy stocks or bonds whose dividends will cover my expenses.  For example,
I had almost enough stock of my electric utility to pay the year's electric
bill.  then they were bought out with cash.

stockman's "The Great Deformation: The Corruption of Capitalism"

pg464/loc9995-10000:

IBM was not the born-again growth machine trumpeted by the mob of Wall
Street momo traders. It was actually a stock buyback contraption on
steroids. During the five years ending in fiscal 2011, the company
spent a staggering $67 billion repurchasing its own shares, a figure
that was equal to 100 percent of its net income.

pg465/10014-17:

Total shareholder distributions, including dividends, amounted to $82
billion, or 122 percent, of net income over this five-year
period. Likewise, during the last five years IBM spent less on capital
investment than its depreciation and amortization charges, and also
shrank its constant dollar spending for research and development by
nearly 2 percent annually.

... snip ...

top executives bonus plan tied to stock market.

stock buyback posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#stock.buyback

supported by ZIRP funds
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#zirp

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 12:33:19 -0700

hancock4 writes:

The new rules are a pain in the a**.  I don't know why they have
to be so convoluted.  Thank you, Congress.

congress sells tax loopholes to the special interests ... frequently
arcane description ... so that it has very limited applicability.

periodically mention televised round table of economists from economic
conference ... on potential of flat tax. something to the effect that
congress is the most corrupt institution on earth, in large part for
selling tax loopholes. Each individual loophole adds up over time, so in
aggregate doing income taxes cost something like 3% of GDP in
preparation and 3% of GDP in non-optimal business decisions that qualify
for loophole. Going to flat tax would eliminate all that ... and 6% GDP
savings would more than offset any advantages from specific loopholes.

Major lobbying against "flat tax" is tax preparation industry (the 3% of
GDP) and the country of Ireland (a major beneficiary of loopholes).

One of the things happened in congress was when they figured that they
could make a lot more money from reoccurring payments ... than simple
one time sale; they have loopholes that are just for fixed number of
years so they can get reoccurring payments (to renew loophole).

I've mentioned before industries with large work forces really started
to shift profits to a small workforce subsidiary ... example was airline
industry shifting profit to selling tickets. Parent company could show
substantial profit even when airline operations was showing loss ...
since they had shifted profit to making reservations and selling
tickets. They could even declare bankruptcy in airine operations
and offload pension obligation on the gov.
https://www.pbgc.gov/
http://www.gao.gov/highrisk/pension_benefit/why_did_study

Then last decade, they started moving subsidiary where profit is booked
to offshore tax haven (like Ireland) ... that might consist of little
more than shoebox of papers in some closet. Poster child was large
equipment maker that makes in the US and sells and delivers to customers
in the US. They then created distributor subsidiary in offshore tax
haven, they sell to the distrubutor at cost, which then sells to the US
customers (with all the profit booked in tax haven) ... the equipment is
still made in the US and shipped/delivered directly to customers in the
US.

tax evasion, tax avoidance, tax havens
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#tax.evasion

2002 congress lets the fiscal responsibility act (can't spend more than
tax revenue, on its way to eliminating all federal debt) lapse.  2010,
CBO report in 2003-2009, tax revenue was cut by $6T and spending
increased by $6T, $12T gap compared to the fiscal responsibility act.
since then no renewal of fiscal responsibility act, and only modest cuts
in some spending, so federal debt continues to increase.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#fiscal.responsibility.act

Sort of confluence of 1) Federal Reserve and wallstreet wanted huge
federal debt, 2) wallstreet and special interests wanted huge tax cut,
3) military-industrial(-congressional) complex wanted huge spending
increase.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex

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SDB (system determined Blksize)

From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Subject: Re: SDB (system determined Blksize)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Date: 19 May 2017 14:45:21 -0700

R.Skorupka@BREMULTIBANK.COM.PL (R.S.) writes:

Just curious: the formulas can give fractional values. How to round them?
OK, I assume the physrec/trk should be rounded down, but what about D?

remember CKD disks haven't been manufactured for decades, all being
simulated on industry standard FBA devices ... originally 512 byte fixed
block ... but industry moving to 4k byte fixed block.

In between are 4k FBA that simulate 512 byte.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Format

where you might have CKD simulated on 512 byte FBA simulated
on 4096 byte FBA

gets even more complex when RAID is layered over the top.

ckd, fba, multi-track search, etc
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#dasd

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 21:15:24 -0700

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#4 [CM] What was your first home computer?

some more tax evasion and tax haven

Luxembourg Leaks, Secret Tax Deals Exposed
https://www.icij.org/project/luxembourg-leaks
New Leak Reveals Luxembourg Tax Deals for Disney, Koch Brothers Empire
https://www.icij.org/project/luxembourg-leaks/new-leak-reveals-luxembourg-tax-deals-disney-koch-brothers-empire
Luxembourg tax deals for Disney, Koch brothers empires revealed
https://www.publicintegrity.org/2014/12/09/16382/luxembourg-tax-deals-disney-koch-brothers-empires-revealed
New Bank Leak Shows How Rich Exploit Tax Haven Loopholes
https://www.icij.org/offshore/new-bank-leak-shows-how-rich-exploit-tax-haven-loopholes
Faux Corporate Directors Stand in for Fraudsters, Despots and Spies
https://www.icij.org/offshore/faux-corporate-directors-stand-fraudsters-despots-and-spies
The Panama Papers * ICIJ
https://panamapapers.icij.org/
Swiss Leaks: Murky Cash Sheltered by Bank Secrecy
https://www.icij.org/project/swiss-leaks
Deutsche Bank Helped Customers Maintain Hundreds of Offshore Entities
https://www.icij.org/offshore/deutsche-bank-helped-customers-maintain-hundreds-offshore-entities
Map: The Offshore Leaks Revelations
https://www.icij.org/offshore/map-offshore-leaks-revelations

spring 2009, IRS announced it was going after 52,000 wealthy americans
that owed $400B in taxes on money illegally hidden overseas. spring
2011, new speaker of the house announced that it was cutting funds for
the IRS office responsible for recoverying the $400B. Since then news
have been about a couple billion in fines on the TBTFs that facilitated
the tax evasions ... but nothing about the $400B (even after the $6T in
"legal" cuts 2003-2009, they still needed to do $400B in illegally)

past posts: tax evasion, tax avoidance, tax havens
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#tax.evasion
TBTF posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 08:46:04 -0700

mausg writes:

Happens all over, and sometimes when financial (boom-bust) cycles coincide
as happened in Lasnerian 2007, you really have a mess. Very low interest
rates (supposedly to encourage growth, really to provide asset-strippers
with cash to take over companies that they then loot) have not worked, so
they will proably start to rise now, and we will see, as Warren Buffet
said, "When the tide goes out, it reveals who is not wearing trunk", (or
similiar)

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#3 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#4 [CM] What was your first home computer?

also 80s when bush1 was VP, he claims credit as administration point
person deregulating financial industry causing S&L crisis, along
with other members of his family.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#S&L.crisis

then last decade, another family member presides over the economic
mess (70 times larger than the S&L crises)

adjustable rate mortgage rates were being use sort of
bait&switch. late 90s I was asked to help try and prevent coming
economic mess. securitized mortgages had been used during the S&L
crisis to obfuscate fraudulent mortgages (poster child was office
bldgs in Dallas area that turn out to be empty lots). I was to improve
the integrity of supporting documents as countermeasure. Then
they found they could pay credit rating agencies for triple-A rating
on securitized instruments (when both the sellers and the rating
agencies knew they weren't worth triple-A ... from Oct2008
congressional hearings into role rating agencies paid). Triple-A
trumps supporting documentation and they could start doing
no-documentation liar loans. It also met that they no longer had to
care about loan quality or borrower's qualifications. Triple-A allows
them to sell off everything they generate, including to entities
restricted to only dealing in "safe" investments (like large pension
funds), largely responsible for being able to do over $27T 2001-2008.
past posts mentioning (triple-A) toxic CDOs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#toxic.cdo

spring 2007, some buyers were starting to realize that credit agency
ratings were for sale and might no longer be trusted and that froze
the muni-bond market. Warren Buffet steps in and starts offering
muni-bond insurance to unfreeze the market (profiting off the credit
agency rating problems).

Triple-A and selling off everything as fast as they can be generated
eliminated any concern about buyers' qualifications and loan quality.
However, they then found they could securitize loans, pay for
triple-A, sell off to their victims, and pay for CDS gambling bets
that they would fail. Now they cared about loan quality, but not in
manner that one might think, having created enormous demand for loans
that would fail.

The largest holder of CDS gambling bets was AIG and was negotiating to
pay off at 50cents on the dollar, when the SECTREAS steps in and says
they have to sign a document that they can't sue those making the CDS
gambling bets and take TARP funds to pay off at face value.  The
largest recipient of TARP funds was AIG and the largest recipient of
face value payoffs was the firm formally headed by SECTREAS.

Only $700B was appropriated for TARP (supposedly for purchase
of too big to fail offbook toxic assets), but end of 2008, just
the four largest too big to fail were holding $5.2T in offbook
toxic assets.  TARP funds then used for other stuff, and it was left
to Federal Reserve to bailout TBTF.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail

The FedRes fought long legal battle to prevent disclosing what they
were doing ... buying trillions in offbook toxic assets at 98cents on
the dollar and providing tens of trillions in ZIRP funds
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#zirp

When they lost the legal battle, the chairman of Federal Reserve held
a press conference and said that he had believed the TBTF would
use tens of trillions in ZIRP funds to help main street, but
when they didn't, he had no way to force them (but that didn't stop
the ZIRP funds). Note that chairman supposedly had been
selected in part for being student of '29 crash and depression, when
the FEDS had done something similar with the same results, so there
should have been no expectations of something different.

http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#fed.chairman TBTF have been using ZIRP funds to buy treasuries, reportedly making $300B/annum ... but it requires enormous federal debt for it to work ... which starts in 2002 after congress lets fiscal responsibility act lapse ... mentioned upthread http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#fiscal.responsiblity.act In the past, financial insttitutions have used interest rates to attract deposits for money. However, with tens of trillions in ZIRP funds ... they have no need to attract deposits. Corporations have also been using ZIRP funds for stock buybacks, proping up the stock market http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#stock.buyback Other trivia: last decade rhetoric on the floor of congress was that sarbanes-oxley would prevent future ENRONs and guarantee that executives and auditors did jailtime, however it required SEC to do something. Possibly because even GAO didn't believe SEC was doing anything, it starts doing reports of fraudulent financial filings, even showing uptic after Sarbanes-Oxley goes into effect (and nobody doing jailtime). http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#enron http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#sarbanes.oxley http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#financial.reporting.fraud less well known was that Sarbanes-Oxley also included provision that SEC do something about credit rating agencies, but it apparently did about as much about them as it did about financial reporting fraud. Note that the administration last decade also presides over the fabrication of WMDs as excuse for the Iraq invastion http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#wmds and the emergence of perpetual war http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#perpetual.war for the miltiar-industrial(-congressional) complex http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex past posts mentioning freezing of muni-bond market and Warren Buffett steps in offerring muni-bond insurance: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008o.html#45 The human plague http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008p.html#60 Did sub-prime cause the financial mess we are in? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008q.html#11 Blinkenlights http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#78 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#29 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#77 Who first mentioned Credit Crunch? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#8 The background reasons of Credit Crunch http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#81 The 2010 Census http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#17 What banking is. (Essential for predicting the end of finance as we know it.) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#43 Productivity And Bubbles http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#46 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#30 The first personal computer (PC) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#60 In your opinon, what is the highest risk of financial fraud for a corporation ? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#2 'Megalomania, Insanity' Fueled Bubble: Munger http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#44 S&P Downgrades USA; Time to Downgrade S&P? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#69 computer bootlaces http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012c.html#54 PC industry is heading for more change http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#66 Singer Cartons of Punch Cards http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#63 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#68 OT: "Highway Patrol" back on TV http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014b.html#1 Royal Pardon For Turing http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#0 S&L Crisis and Economic Mess http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#5 Swiss Leaks lifts the veil on a secretive banking system http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#8 Shoot Bank Of America Now---The Case For Super Glass-Steagall Is Overwhelming http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#24 What were the complaints of binary code programmers that not accept Assembly? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#31 What were the complaints of binary code programmers that not accept Assembly? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015e.html#82 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#67 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#78 The Global Financial Crisis: Analysis and Policy Implications http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#0 Repealing Glass-Steagall http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#65 A call for revolution http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#19 Banking; The Book That Will Save Banking From Itself http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#80 GLBA & Glass-Steagall http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#27 Are We Nearing a Cyber Sarbanes-Oxley? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#81 Economic Mess http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#36 Moody's Agrees to Settle Financial Crisis-Era Claims for $864 Million http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#7 OT: Trump Moves to Roll Back Obama-Era Financial Regulations http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#43 when to get out??? -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970

[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 09:40:46 -0700

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#3 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#4 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#6 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#7 [CM] What was your first home computer?

the freezing of the muni-bond market sort of the start of imploding
triple-A rated toxic CDOs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#toxic.cdo

during 2008 there was stories of executives responsible for
the TBTF offbook toxic assets ... selling to each other (one
bank would buy a billion at face value from another bank, if the other
bank bought equivalent amount from them) ... these transactions help
prop-up the apparent value ... and also provided those executives
transaction commissions.

However end of the summer of 2008 things were starting to really
collapse (not just freezing of muni-bond market), CITI (TBTF
with the largest amount of the $5.2T held by the four
largest TBTF ye2008) sold something like $60B in off-book toxic
assets at 22cents on the dollar (the TARP $700B was almost enough to
buy all YE2008 $5.2T at 22cents on the dollar, $1T ... but then all
four would have declared insolvent and forced to be liquidated).
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail

no.2 on times list of those responsible for economic mess ... not so
much for GLBA and repeal of Glass-Steagall ... but for bill
that prevents CDS gambling bets from being regulated.
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877330,00.html
Glass-Steagall posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#Pecora&/orGlass-Steagall

original billed as gift to Enron
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#enron

when chair of CFTC suggested regulating CDS gambling bets, the chair
was replaced with #2's wife while he got bill based blocking
regulation. The wife then resigns and joins ENRON board and audit
committee.

past posts mentioning selling off-book toxic assets at 22cents on the
dollar late summer 2008
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008l.html#44 dollar coins
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008l.html#67 dollar coins
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008l.html#70 dollar coins
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#26 Fraud due to stupid failure to test for negative
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#95 Blinkylights
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#24 Blinkylights
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008q.html#11 Blinkenlights
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008r.html#10 Blinkylights
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#29 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#55 Who will give Citigroup the KNOCKOUT blow?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#65 is it possible that ALL banks will be nationalized?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#67 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#0 PNC Financial to pay CEO $3 million stock bonus
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#23 Should FDIC or the Federal Reserve Bank have the authority to shut down and take over non-bank financial institutions like AIG?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#50 TARP Bailout to Cost Less Than Once Anticipated
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#17 What banking is. (Essential for predicting the end of finance as we know it.)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#63 TCM's Moguls documentary series
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#58 Programmer Charged with thieft (maybe off topic)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#50 What do you think about fraud prevention in the governments?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#84 The Imaginot Line
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#27 The Zippo Lighter theory of the financial crisis (or, who do we want to blame?)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#42 Productivity And Bubbles
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#45 Productivity And Bubbles
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#56 Productivity And Bubbles
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#46 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#41 On Protectionism
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011g.html#71 Pressing Obama, House Bars Rise for Debt Ceiling
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011h.html#7 Home prices may drop another 25%, Shiller predicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011h.html#29 Obama: "We don't have enough engineers"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#39 Advice from Richard P. Feynman
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#44 S&P Downgrades USA; Time to Downgrade S&P?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#45 S&P's History of Relentless Political Advocacy
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#50 How Many Divisions Does Standard and Poors Have?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#4 Geithner, Bernanke have little in arsenal to fight new crisis
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#25 Wall Street Aristocracy Got $1.2 Trillion in Fed's Secret Loans
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#56 50th anniversary of BASIC, COBOL?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#59 50th anniversary of BASIC, COBOL?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#81 How Joe and Mary Six Pack Saved Wall Street, London, Frankfurt and Big Corporates in the USA and Europe
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#67 computer bootlaces
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#73 computer bootlaces
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011n.html#38 The Mark to Market Fantasy Fraud
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011n.html#41 The men who crashed the world
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011n.html#57 The Mortgage Crisis---Some Inside Views
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011n.html#82 The men who crashed the world
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011o.html#37 Civilization, doomed?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011o.html#52 Civilization, doomed?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011o.html#74 The Wall Street Pentagon Papers: Biggest Scam In World History Exposed: Are The Federal Reserve's Crimes Too Big To Comprehend?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011o.html#77 How Pursuit of Profits Kills Innovation and the U.S. Economy
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011p.html#70 No One Telling Who Took $586B in Fed Swaps
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012c.html#32 US real-estate has lost $7T in value
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012c.html#45 Fannie, Freddie Charge Taxpayers For Legal Bills
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012c.html#46 PC industry is heading for more change
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012e.html#40 Who Increased the Debt?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012e.html#42 Who Increased the Debt?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012g.html#28 REPEAL OF GLASS-STEAGALL DID NOT CAUSE THE FINANCIAL CRISIS - WHAT DO YOU THINK?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012g.html#70 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#14 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012j.html#28 Why Asian companies struggle to manage global workers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012j.html#65 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012k.html#75 What's the bigger risk, retiring too soon, or too late?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#64 Singer Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012m.html#50 General Mills computer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012n.html#6 General Mills computer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012n.html#12 Why Auditors Fail To Detect Frauds?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#73 These Two Charts Show How The Priorities Of US Companies Have Gotten Screwed Up
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012p.html#35 Search Google, 1960:s-style
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#51 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#38 Adair Turner: A New Debt-Free Money Advocate
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#46 Bankers Who Made Millions In Housing Boom Misled Investors: Study
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#47 More Whistleblower Leaks on Foreclosure Settlement Show Both Suppression of Evidence and Gross Incompetence
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#54 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#66 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#64 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#67 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#23 What Makes bank regulation and insurance Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#3 Lending is still lagging according to Reuters. Why do you think that is?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013n.html#87 Logics of Transformation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013o.html#48 Citigroup is the Real Reason We Need the Volcker Rule
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014.html#98 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014b.html#0 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014b.html#22 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014b.html#24 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014f.html#0 Before the Internet: The golden age of online services
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014f.html#60 GAO and Wall Street Journal Whitewash Huge Criminal Bank Frauds
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014i.html#14 Instead of focusing on big fines, law enforcement should seek long prison terms for the responsible executives
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014k.html#66 LA Times commentary:  roll out "smart" credit cards to deter fraud
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014l.html#89 Forbes perspective on IBM's troubles
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#8 weird apple trivia
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#11 weird apple trivia
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#126 Wall Street's Revenge
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#131 Memo To WSJ: The CRomnibus Abomination Was Not "A Rare Bipartisan Success"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015.html#17 Cromnibus cartoon
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#31 What were the complaints of binary code programmers that not accept Assembly?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015d.html#28 Bernie Sanders Proposes A Bill To Break Up The 'Too Big To Exist' Banks
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015d.html#69 Western Union envisioned internet functionality
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015d.html#76 Greedy Banks Nailed With $5 BILLION+ Fine For Fraud And Corruption
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015e.html#93 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#16 Interactive Data Corp taps banks for sale or IPO -sources
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#20 After 6 Years Of QE, And A $4.5 Trillion Balance Sheet, St. Louis Fed
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#25 After 6 Years Of QE, And A $4.5 Trillion Balance Sheet, St. Louis Fed
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#49 seveneves
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#65 Michael Hudson's New Book: Wall Street Parasites Have Devoured Their Hosts -- Your Retirement Plan and the U.S. Economy
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#70 AIG freezes defined-benefit pension plan
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#25 Hillary Clinton's Glass-Steagall
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#95 Thanks Obama
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#28 Qbasic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#42 Nobody saw the economic mess coming last decade
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#58 Wall Street strikes back against Bernie Sanders
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#86 Wells Fargo "Admits Deceiving" U.S. Government, Pays Record $1.2 Billion Settlement
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#0 Why Is the Obama Administration Trying to Keep 11,000 Documents Sealed?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#19 Banking; The Book That Will Save Banking From Itself
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#98 Trust in Government Is Collapsing Around the World
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016e.html#89 E.R. Burroughs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#0 IBM is Absolutely Down For The Count
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#8 "Too big to fail" was Malicious Cyber Activity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#31 Milton Friedman's Cherished Theory Is Laid to Rest
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#33 Moody's Agrees to Settle Financial Crisis-Era Claims for $864 Million
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#92 Trump's Rollback of the Neoliberal Market State
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#96 Trump, Wall Street and the "banking caucus" ready to rip apart Dodd-Frank
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#6 OT: Trump Moves to Roll Back Obama-Era Financial Regulations
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#43 when to get out???
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#52 when to get out???
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#90 Economist, Harry Dent Hints: Global Banks Facing a Serious Crisis in Months Ahead
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#38 [CM] What was your first home computer?

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The Mainframe vs. the Server Farm: A Comparison

From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Subject: Re: The Mainframe vs. the Server Farm: A Comparison
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Date: 20 May 2017 16:37:10 -0700

mike.a.schwab@GMAIL.COM (Mike Schwab) writes:

S/370 operating systems and Linux on System Z can be run on Hercules
on a small PC.

max z196 config with 80 processors was rated at 50BIPS and went for
$30M. Last published peak I/O benchmark was for z196 with 104 FICONs
(running over 104 fibre channel) getting 2M IOPS.

same z196 time-frame e5-2600v1 was 400-550BIPS (depending on model)
... about 10 times max z196. Also in same time frame, native fibre
channel was announced for e5-2600 claiming over million IOPS (for
single fibre channel, two such fibre channel with more thruput than
104 FICON, FICON is heavy duty prototol running over fibre channel
that drastically reduces native throughput).

current max configured z13 is still around $30M and 100BIPS ...
compared to e5-2600v4 around 1500BIPS (1.5TIPS, more than 10 times
z13, not strictly "small").

Before IBM got out of server business it had base list price for
e5-2600 as $1815 (a little over $3/BIPS, compared to z13 now around
$300,000/BIPS). IBM also had a high-density rack holding something
like 64 blades ... would now be possibly 100,000BIPS in single rack.

Large cloud operations claim they assemble their own blades for 1/3rd
the price of brand named blades ... around $1/BIPS ...  possibly
contributing to IBM selling off its server business.

typical cloud megadatacenter "server farm" will have several hundred
thousand blades.

recent posts mentioning e5-2600/mainframe comparisons
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#1 GREAT presentation on the history of the mainframe
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#57 What are mainframes
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#58 Paging subsystems in the era of bigass memory
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#88 Paging subsystems in the era of bigass memory
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#10 WD ships 'world's largest' 12TB HGST Ultrastar He12 Helium 7200 RPM Enterprise HDDs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#94 Migration off Mainframe to other platform

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 09:48:02 -0700

Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> writes:

That works so long as the parties are subject to the same law, and to
adjudication and enforcement by a third body. Not so well when the
parties can say "oh, we're special, that doesn't apply to us." Or
perhaps when productivity has steadily increased, but the wealth
generated is pocketed by a few.

A set of history lectures from the 1880s,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fiske_(philosopher)

pointed out that the equality in the "Bill of Rights" was result of
scottish immigrants from the mid-atlantic states, if the english
immigrants from new england and new york had prevailed, we would have
had much different government. This also shows up in biographies
contrasting Jefferson and Hamilton.

Why Nations Fail ... has frequent "inequality" examples
http://www.amazon.com/Why-Nations-Fail-Prosperity-ebook/dp/B0058Z4NR8

The English original setup for Jamestown was to emulate the Spanish in
the new world, enslave the local population. However, the natives in the
North America and Jamestown area didn't take to be enslaved and
Jamestown almost starved.  Then a different composition was sent over,
effectively "slaves" from the British Islands "leet-men", pg27:

The clauses of the Fundamental Constitutions laid out a rigid social
structure. At the bottom were the "leet-men," with clause 23 noting,
"All the children of leet-men shall be leet-men, and so to all
generations."

... snip ...

a lot more extracts/quotes in these recent posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#12 Separation church and state
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#32 Star Trek (was Re: TV show Mannix observations)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#55 Comanche Empire

inequality posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#inequality

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The Mainframe vs. the Server Farm: A Comparison

From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Subject: Re: The Mainframe vs. the Server Farm: A Comparison
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Date: 21 May 2017 10:30:21 -0700

dcrayford@GMAIL.COM (David Crayford) writes:

It's a risky business migrating large systems and many have failed. I
know of one bank that spent $350M trying and they failed
miserably. There are just so many complexities and it's just too hard
for most.
I heard an amusing analogy that it's like trying to replace an engine
on a jumbo jet mid-flight. And the quality of service and RAS on
mainframes is still unmatched. HP are marketing converged
systems and claiming 99.999 availability which for many enterprise is
more then enough.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#97 IBM revenue has fallen for 20 quarters -- but it used to run its business very differently
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#94 Migration off Mainframe to other platform
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#9 The Mainframe vs. the Server Farm: A Comparison

the initial wave was in the late 80s & early 90s, sort of the
low-hanging fruit ... and as a result the company goes into the red.
The company was being reorganized into the 13 "baby blues" in
preparation for breaking up the company. The board then brings in a
new CEO to reverse the breakup and resurrect the company.

In the mid-80s, the top IBM executives were predicting the world-wide
revenue would shortly double, mostly based on mainframe revenue and
there was big internal bldg program to double mainframe hardware
manufacturing capacity. There was also huge uptik in "fast track" MBAs
being rotated through mid-level executive positions (apparently
getting ready for doubling the workforce).

Late 80s, senior disk engineer got a talk scheduled at internal,
annual world-wide communication group conference, supposedly on 3174
performance, but opened the talk that the communication group was
going to be responsible for the demise of the disk division. The issue
was the communication group was fighting off client/server and
distributed computing trying to preserve their (emulated) dumb
terminal paradigm and install base. The disk division was seeing data
fleeing the mainframe datacenters to more distributed computing
friendly platforms with drop in disk sales. The disk division had come
up with a number of solutions, but they were constantly being vetoed
by the communication group.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#terminal

One of the major mainframe strongholds was the financial industry. In
the 90s they spent billions of dollars to convert legacy financial
transactions that did settlement in overnight batch
window. They were under increasing pressure from globalization
that was cutting the size of the window and increasing the work that
needed to be done. They were going to convert to straight-through
processing using parallelization on large numbers of "killer
micros". However, they were using some industry parallelization
libraries that had 100 times the overhead of batch cobol. When this
was pointed out (including by me), they just ignored the input. It
wasn't until they started deploying large scale pilots that they could
see that the overhead increase totally swamped any throughput increase
they anticipated from large numbers of killer micros ... with things
going down in spectacular flames. The industry retrenches to safety of
the running legacy mainframe systems.

The dependency of financial industry on legacy mainframes may have
played a major role in bringing in new CEO to resurrect the company.
The new CEO had been president of AMEX ... and about the same time
that new CEO was resurrecting IBM, AMEX spun off a major part of its
mainframe dataprocessing in the largest IPO up until that time.  The
unit was continuously rolling over something like $1.5B in mainframe
hardware, no mainframe older than 18months ... by itself accounting
for significant percentage of IBM annual mainframe hardware revenue.

For ten years up through z196, IBM financials for mainframe sales
showed about the equivalent of around 100-150/yr max. configured
mainframes. This was around 5% of revenue ... but the whole mainframe
group (including software) accounted for 25% of revenue and 40% of
profit (mainframe software & services is major cash cow). Since
then hardware sales seems to have dropped to about half that (but the
overall mainframe group still accounts for significant profit).

some recent posts mentioning straight-through processing effort:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014.html#3 We need to talk about TED
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014c.html#22 US Federal Reserve pushes ahead with Faster Payments planning
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014c.html#90 Why do bank IT systems keep failing ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014e.html#10 Can the mainframe remain relevant in the cloud and mobile era?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014f.html#69 Is end of mainframe near ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014f.html#78 Over in the Mainframe Experts Network LinkedIn group
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#71 Decimation of the valuation of IBM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#119 Holy Grail for parallel programming language
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015.html#78 Is there an Inventory of the Inalled Mainframe Systems Worldwide
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#2 More "ageing mainframe" (bad) press
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#25 1976 vs. 2016?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#48 Windows 10 forceful update?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#84 The mainframe is dead. Long live the mainframe!
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016g.html#23 How to Fix IBM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#72 Why Can't You Buy z Mainframe Services from Amazon Cloud Services?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#82 The ICL 2900
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#63 The ICL 2900
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#39 The Pentagon still uses computer software from 1958 to manage its contracts

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 11:01:19 -0700

Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:

Fortunately, the birth control pill was invented, or there might be a problem
with people managing to do this.

Freakonomics has US (fed/state/local) governments preparing for huge
uptic in criminal activity in the 90s ... which fell rather than
increased. Freakonomics analysis claimed that major criminal activity
was by young people that had been unwanted children.  Major increase
in birth control & abortions significantly reduced young people
that had been unwanted children.

later the significant increase in for-profit prisons were looking for
large numbers of non-violent young people ... their incarceration
costs were lower than avg. prison population ... and were more easily
used for free labor (cases were found of for-profit prisons providing
judges with kick-backs for sentencing non-violent young offenders and
"lobbying" state legislatures for increasing prison sentences for
non-violent activity).

freakonomics references
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007h.html#55 ANN: Microsoft goes Open Source
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#53 What do you think about fraud prevention in the governments?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#88 NASA proves once again that, for it, the impossible is not even difficult
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#30 The first personal computer (PC)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012e.html#57 speculation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#57 a clock in it, was Re: Interesting News Article
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012k.html#12 The Secret Consensus Among Economists
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#46 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015e.html#74 prices, was Western Union envisioned internet functionality
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#27 OT:  efforts to repeal strict public safety laws
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#3 E.R. Burroughs

past posts mentioning for-profit prisons and/or prison-industrial
complex
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#37 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#52 What Makes a substance Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#61 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#82 copyright protection/Doug Englebart
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014c.html#9 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014c.html#10 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014c.html#25 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014i.html#27 How Comp-Sci went from passing fad to must have major
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014j.html#81 No Internet. No Microsoft Windows. No iPods. This Is What Tech Was Like In 1984
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015e.html#85 prices, was Western Union envisioned internet functionality
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#27 OT:  efforts to repeal strict public safety laws
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#4 Decimal point character and billions
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#70 Qbasic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#39 Qbasic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#89 Qbasic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#4 E.R. Burroughs

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Pascal Source for APL Interpreter--Want Info

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: Pascal Source for APL Interpreter--Want Info
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 13:12:09 -0700

Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:

Sounds like you need a "lint" for Pascal. Goog turned up ambiguous results,
but it sounds like there isn't one. Might be a good project for some Pascal
enthusiast.

there is Stanford Pascal project ... referenced
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#24 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#53 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#54 [CM] What was your first home computer?

STANFORD PASCAL VERIFIER USER MANUAL (from Mar1979)
http://i.stanford.edu/pub/cstr/reports/cs/tr/79/731/CS-TR-79-731.pdf

New Stanford Pascal Compiler
https://www.facebook.com/StanfordPascal/
Stanford Pascal Compiler
http://wiki.freepascal.org/Stanford_Pascal_Compiler

Targets of the Stanford Pascal Compiler were IBM mainframes (including
IBM 360 and 370 series) and LSI-11 (PDP-11).

A modern version of the Stanford Pascal Compiler is maintained by Bernd
Oppolzer. This version targets VM/370 on the Hercules emulator, and the
programs will probably run on today's z/VM and z/OS (aka MVS), too. And
it was ported to Windows, Linux and OS/2 in 2016. Pascal programs (and
the compiler itself) can run there with the help of the P-Code
interpreter PCINT (written in ANSI-C).

... snip ...

web search "pascal checker" turns up other results

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Fast OODA-Loops increase Maneuverability

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Fast OODA-Loops increase Maneuverability
Date: 22 May 2017
Blog: Facebook

Fast OODA-Loops increase Maneuverability
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A6271208777496748032/

also:
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A6270634737732325376/
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A6271448160648986624/
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A6271375156153843712/

in briefings, Boyd would emphasize that all parts of OODA-loop
went on simultaneously ... not purely serial operations. Also
necessary to observe from every possible facet
(as countermeasure to orientation bias).

I ran into Boyd in the early 80s and use to sponsor his briefings at
IBM. The 1st time I tried to sponsor his briefings, it was just
Patterns of Conflicts and I tried to do it through employee
education. At first they agreed, but then as I supplied more
information ... they changed their mind. They said that IBM spend lots
of money on training managers on how to handle employees, and exposing
general employees to Boyd would be counter productive. They suggested
that I restrict the audience to senior members of competitive analysis
departments. I held it for large audience in research auditorium (old
bldg 28 on San Jose plant site). The next time, he also tried out
early version of Organic Design for Command and Control ... both at
one time made for a long day.

Boyd would include in briefings that former military officers, steeped
in rigid, top-down, command&control was starting to contaminating US
corporate cultures (only those at the very top knew what they were
doing). However in the early 80s, articles were starting to appear
that MBAs were destroying US businesses with their myopic focus on
quarterly numbers.

Boyd would complain that when engineers initially added "heads-up" to
F16 that it was just scrolling digital numbers. Rather than helping
pilots, it was distracting since it took enormous cognitive effort to
convert the scrolling digital numbers to meaning.

...

Boyd was considered possibly the best fighter pilot in the world when
he was instructor at USAF weapons school ... and wrote the fighter
pilot training manual that became used by nearly every air force in
the world (including adversaries). However, when he was working on F16
design, other factions of USAF tried to get him thrown in Leavenworth
for the rest of his life on trumped up charges. By the time he passes,
he had been disowned by the USAF and it was the Marines that were at
Arlington. What is somewhat surprising is after he passes, USAF
commemorates Boyd Hall at USAF weapons school.

Boyd had redone the original F15 design, including cutting the weight
in half. However, when he started on the F16 design, other factions
wanted him stopped. They claimed that he wasn't authorized to do the
F16 design and so the millions of dollars in supercomputer time was
theft of gov. property ... however, the investigation wasn't able to
find any record of the computer time.

One of things mentioned at some recent Boyd conferences is Kahneman's
"Thinking Fast and Slow" ... which is somewhat related to
implicit/explicit. Boyd would frequently mention fingerspitzengefuhl
... aka "finger feel", an intuition touch metaphor. There is also
Coup d'oeil, an intuition observe metaphor.

also:

There are two career paths in front of you, and you have to choose
which path you will follow. One path leads to promotions, titles, and
positions of distinction.... The other path leads to doing things that
are truly significant for the Air Force, but the rewards will quite
often be a kick in the stomach because you may have to cross swords
with the party line on occasion. You can't go down both paths, you
have to choose. Do you want to be a man of distinction or do you want
to do things that really influence the shape of the Air Force? To be
or to do, that is the question. Colonel John R. Boyd, USAF 1927-1997

From the dedication of Boyd Hall, United States Air Force Weapons
School, Nellis Air Force Base, Nevada. 17 September 1999

... snip ...

Burton was in the 1st USAF academy class on fast track to general when
Boyd challenged him to do what is right and destroyed his career. He
wrote a book about it, Pentagon Wars (HBO made into movie)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon_Wars
Another Boyd acolyte was responsiple for A10
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Sprey
and another is Chuck Spinney
http://chuckspinney.blogspot.com/

Boyd is credited with battle plan for Desert Storm land war was only
the last 100hrs (of 43days). GAO air power effectiveness study has A10
so effective destroying tanks that Iraqis were walking away as sitting
ducks. There was million A10 30mm shells used in Desert Storm, Burton
has account of getting them down from nearly $100 to $13 ... or $13M
(way too cost effective for the military-industrial complex). The
ferocious tank battles with coalition forces taking no damage, doesn't
mention if Iraqi tanks had anybody home. There are lots of excuses why
Boyd's "left hook" didn't succeed. One may be that the Abrams specs
don't usually include how tightly tethered they are to supply &
maintenance.

in briefings, Boyd would complain about the initial heads-up displays
engineers added to F16 that was just scrolling digital numbers. He
said that it took significant cognitive effort to convert the
scrolling digital numbers to meaning ... and distracted from what they
were suppose to do ... rather than help.

...

about the same time I first started sponsoring Boyd's briefings there
was analogous online discussion in the early 80s about analog watches
provide more information than digital; not only current time but
provided spatial representation about how long to something and how
long since something.

recent item, Language shapes how the brain perceives time
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2017-05/lu-lsh050217.php

In dataprocessing there are periodic discussions about computer
language literacy analogous to natural language literacy
... especially when there are computer concepts that have no direct
natural language equivalents. trivia: I was blamed for online computer
conferencing (precursor to social networking) on the internal network
(larger than arpanet/internet from just about beginning until sometime
mid-80s) in the late 70s and early 80s (folklore is that when
corporate executive committee was told about it, 5of6 wanted to fire
me). Somewhat as result, a researcher was assigned for nine months to
study how I communicate, sat in my office and took notes, got logs of
all my instant messages, copies of all my incoming/outgoing email,
etc. Results were research reports, talks, books, and Stanford Phd
(joint between language and computer AI). One of the observations was
my use of English is like non-native speaker ... but I have no other
natural language.

...

Boyd is known for saying people, ideas, technology ... in that order
... usually in situations where technology is misused. Slightly
related is he would talk about doing audits of periodic large-scale
wargames. He characterized the generals and admirals playing golf all
year while their staffs practiced. When it came time for wargames the
generals&admirals had no "finger feel" for information flow in the war
rooms.  Some numbers of studies emphasized information overload to
obfuscate the real problem.

... free kindle book from 1846 ... has lots & lots of minutia
... almost OODA-loop, see/decide/act

Elements of Military Art and Science Or, Course Of Instruction In
Strategy, Fortification, Tactics Of Battles, &C.; Embracing The Duties
Of Staff, Infantry (Henry Wager Halleck)
http://www.amazon.com/Elements-Instruction-Fortification-Embracing-ebook/dp/B002RKSO9K

loc5019-20:

A rapid coup d'oeil prompt decision, active movements, are as
indispensable as sound judgment; for the general must see, and decide,
and act, all in the same instant.
... snip ...

in briefings, Boyd would focus on US military, rigid, top-down
(centralized) command&control for WW2 (deploy millions of soldiers
with little or no training, leverage few experienced officers),
requiring 11% officers (growing to 20%) compared to German's culture
requiring only 3% officers. He highlighted (EBFAS):

Einheit is mutual trust, oneness, unity, cohesion, similar implicit orientation.

Behendigkeit is mental agility, the ability to see and break out of deep patterns or ruts in thinking. Boyd called this process 'building snowmobiles' or creativity under fire. Or improvisation under fire.
Fingerspitzengefuhl is a 'finger tip feel' for the battle field or market or organization. It is a sense of health of the organization, intuitive competence, know yourself/know your enemy.
Auftragstaktik is mission command or mission orders. It is a contract between leaders and subordinates. The German's now call it fuhren mit auftrag or leading by mission. The why is emphasized and not the how. It is also referred to as commander's intent. It is decentralized command concept.
Schwerpunkt is focus and direction, goal, strategic objective, destination, vision. It is the 'hard point' or 'difficult point'. In German, it is the center of gravity. It is an unmoving target that everyone is working towards.
... snip ... As an example of Auftragstaktik he used Guderian's Verbal Orders Only in the Blitzgrieg, encouraging person on the spot to make their own decisions (and not have to be concerned about monday afternoon quarterbacks). He would then observe that former military officers, steeped in rigid, top-down, command&control were starting to contaminate US corporate culture. Note in myers-briggs, they characterize possibly a majority of the population as strictly "how" people, once learned that is how they live their life ... as opposed to much smaller percentage of the population as "why" people ... and when circumstances change ... they comprehend that the "how" needs to change also. ... In the 60s as undergraduate I was computer geek, univ. even hired me fulltime to be responsible for production mainframe systems. I would rewrite a lot of mainframe software, that IBM would pickup and ship in their products. One of the things I did as undergraduate was dynamic adaptive resource management, which included added extensive instrumentation (observation) as part of analysing (orientation) what was going on, and then reordering work queues for execution (decide and act). It also included doing some things in "zero instructions" by careful ordering of other operations so things would happen implicitly as side-effect of other things. IBM would also make suggestions about things to do, I didn't learn about these guys until much later, but in retrospect some of the IBM suggestions may have originated with them ... gone 404, but lives on at wayback machine http://web.archive.org/web/20090117083033/http://www.nsa.gov/research/selinux/list-archive/0409/8362.shtml When I ran into Boyd (and OODA-loops) in the early 80s, I felt quite a bit of affinity. Note a downside of implicit was that nobody else understood why things worked ... and it could become a maintenance nightmare. A decade later, somebody else innocently tweaking a sequence of code and all of a sudden all sorts of things stop working. Implicit can be macro/hollistic while explicit can be step-by-step, sequential. Example is story told by Intel SVP last decade, M'soft CEO was demanding Intel go back to faster single processor (rather than multi-core) because parallel programming is "too hard" & Intel telling him that isn't the way it is. Holy Grail is for new programming language that handles parallel paradigm rather strictly sequential step-by-step. This can contribute to perceving Boyd's OODA-loop as simple step-by-step sequential, rather than simultaneous, concurrent (large overlap with recent articles about natural language affects how world is perceived). I was involved in the original SQL/Relational RDBMS implementation (System/R) which did some optimization for table organization to improve performance of financial transactions (affects world view like explicit slots and name goes into different slots). I then was dragged into doing different kind of relational implementation that directly created relationships in any order. Organization that be represented with each name appearing once ... and having large number of relations (any-to-any). We did some work with NIH/NLM UMLS (medical knowledge) which has concurrent table, hierarchical as well as any-to-any mesh organizations, which had taken a large organization a number of years to partially force-fit into RDBMS (tables). By comparison, it took me a couple weeks to load into this other kind of relational. Boyd/OODA posts & URLs from around web: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subboyd.html military-industrial(-congressional) complex http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex system/r posts http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#systemr EBFAS posts: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014h.html#52 EBFAS http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014h.html#61 Are you tired of the negative comments about IBM in this community? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014h.html#79 EBFAS http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015.html#21 IBM ushers in BIGGEST EVER re-org for the cloud era, say insiders http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015.html#80 Here's how a retired submarine captain would save IBM verbal orders only posts http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#120 atomic History http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001.html#29 Review of Steve McConnell's AFTER THE GOLD RUSH http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002d.html#36 Mainframers: Take back the light (spotlight, that is) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002d.html#38 Mainframers: Take back the light (spotlight, that is) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002q.html#33 Star Trek: TNG reference http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003h.html#51 employee motivation & executive compensation http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003p.html#27 The BASIC Variations http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004k.html#24 Timeless Classics of Software Engineering http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004q.html#86 Organizations with two or more Managers http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006f.html#14 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#9 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006q.html#41 was change headers: The Fate of VM - was: Re: Baby MVS??? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#37 Special characters in passwords was Re: RACF - Password rules http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007c.html#25 Special characters in passwords was Re: RACF - Password rules http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008h.html#8a Using Military Philosophy to Drive High Value Sales http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008h.html#61 Up, Up, ... and Gone? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008h.html#63 how can a hierarchical mindset really ficilitate inclusive and empowered organization http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008o.html#69 Blinkenlights http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#73 Most 'leaders' do not 'lead' and the majority of 'managers' do not 'manage'. Why is this? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#34 Mission Control & Air Cooperation http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#43 Boyd's Briefings http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010i.html#68 Favourite computer history books? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#7 Innovation and iconoclasm http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#3 Preparing for Boyd II http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#52 An elusive command philosophy and a different command culture http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012.html#45 You may ask yourself, well, how did I get here? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012b.html#26 Strategy subsumes culture http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012c.html#51 How would you succinctly desribe maneuver warfare? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012f.html#2 Did they apply Boyd's concepts? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012g.html#84 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#63 Is this Boyd's fundamental postulate, 'to improve our capacity for independent action'? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#50 Is there a connection between your strategic and tactical assertions? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012k.html#7 Is there a connection between your strategic and tactical assertions? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#10 The Knowledge Economy Two Classes of Workers http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#81 How Criticizing in Private Undermines Your Team - Harvard Business Review http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#48 John Boyd's Art of War http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014.html#16 Command Culture http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014f.html#46 The Pentagon Wars http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015.html#80 Here's how a retired submarine captain would save IBM http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015d.html#19 Where to Flatten the Officer Corps http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#18 What Would Be Your Ultimate Computer? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#28 Manazir: Networked Systems Are The Future Of 5th-Generation Warfare, Training http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016g.html#13 Rogue sysadmins the target of Microsoft's new 'Shielded VM' security -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970

Conservatives and Spending

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Conservatives and Spending
Date: 22 May 2017
Blog: Facebook

Conservatives and Spending

The "conservatives" were responsible for the fiscal responsibility act
(spending can't exceed tax revenue, on its way to eliminating all
federal debt) in the 90s. Then in 2002 ... the same "party" lets the
fiscal responsibility act lapse. 2010 CBO report that 2003-2009, tax
revenue was cut by $6T and spending increased by $6T for $12T gap
compared to the fiscal responsibility act (also 1st time taxes were
reduced to not pay for two wars). Since then taxes haven't been
restored and only modest spending cuts .... so debt continues to
increase.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#fiscal.responsibility.act

VP and former CIA director repeatedly claims no knowledge of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair
because he was fulltime administration point person deregulating
financial industry ... creating S&L crisis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savings_and_loan_crisis
along with other members of his family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savings_and_loan_crisis#Silverado_Savings_and_Loan
and another
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE0D81E3BF937A25753C1A966958260

S&L crisis
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#s&l.crisis

another family member then (also) presides over the economic mess last
decade, 70 times larger than the S&L crises. S&L crisis had
1000 criminal convictions with jailtime, proportionally the economic
mess should have 70,000.

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Conservatives and Spending

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Conservatives and Spending
Date: 22 May 2017
Blog: Facebook

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#15 Conservatives and Spending

How Much Does a Politician Cost? A Groundbreaking Study Reveals the
Influence of Money in Politics.
https://theintercept.com/2017/05/04/how-much-does-a-politician-cost-a-groundbreaking-study-reveals-the-influence-of-money-in-politics/

Milton Friedman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman

Friedman promoted an alternative macroeconomic viewpoint known as
"monetarism", and argued that a steady, small expansion of the money
supply was the preferred policy.[12] His ideas concerning monetary
policy, taxation, privatization and deregulation influenced government
policies, especially during the 1980s.

... snip ...

Milton Friedman's Cherished Theory Is Laid to Rest
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-01-12/milton-friedman-s-cherished-theory-is-laid-to-rest

Even now, when economic models have become far more complex than
anything in Friedman's time, economists still go back to Friedman's
theory as a mental touchstone -- a fundamental intuition that guides
the way they make their models. My first macroeconomics professor
believed in it deeply and instinctively, and would even bring it up in
department seminars.

... snip ..

The Champions of the 401(k) Lament the Revolution They Started
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-champions-of-the-401-k-lament-the-revolution-they-started-1483382348?mod=e2fb
Economists and the Powerful: Convenient Theories, Distorted Facts,
Ample Rewards
http://www.amazon.com/Economists-Powerful-Convenient-Distorted-ebook/dp/B009K44OW2

loc1200-1206:

There are plenty of examples from other countries to copy: the US
individual retirement account system is based on the Chilean pension
reform of 1980/81 that in turn was based heavily on proposals made in
the book Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman. In response to the
Chilean system facing a likely collapse in a few decades time, it was
substantially overhauled in 2008 to require mandatory participation of
all citizens in exchange for universal pension coverage.

... snip ...

"The Undoing Project" goes into some detail how Kahneman and Tversky
disproved economists' assumption that people make rational decisions
... loc:1155-59:

He had listened to an American economist talk about
how so-and-so was stupid and so-and-so was a fool, then said, "All
your economic models are premised on people being smart and rational,
and yet all the people you know are idiots."

... snip ...

Kahneman (a psychologist) gets Nobel prize in economics, in part for
debunking some cherished economic theories

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5 Naval Battles That Changed History Forever

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: 5 Naval Battles That Changed History Forever
Date: 22 May 2017
Blog: Facebook

5 Naval Battles That Changed History Forever
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/5-naval-battles-changed-history-forever-20780

Roosevelt justified (europe first) that Germany could win WW2 w/o
Japan, however, Japan wasn't capable of winning WW2 w/o
Germany. Germany had 3/4s of military resources against Russia (and
Japan had 2/3rds of its military resources against China). Recent
claim was that Japan didn't surrender because of the a-bomb, but
because Russia was about to enter the conflict.

With defeat of Germany, Russia was free to move forces to the far
east. Defeating Japan first would have had little impact on the
european war. However, Roosevelt complained that Churchill kept
delaying invasion of France (wanting to let Germany and Russia to
continue slugging it out until both were totally exhausted, which
would have given Britain free reign in Europe). However, Roosevelt
said that would have prolonged the war until 1947, something the
American public wouldn't have stood for.

and the anti-submarine warfare: Lessons Not Learned: The U.S. Navy's
Status Quo Culture;
https://www.amazon.com/Lessons-Not-Learned-Status-Culture-ebook/dp/B00DKMWP2Q/

loc1289-90:

fact is frequently played down in the United States that the British
and Canadians, in fact, conducted most of the ASW operations in the
Atlantic.

loc1293-95:

Canada started the war with a navy of only eleven ships, five of which
were minesweepers, and just 1,800 men in the regular Navy, but by the
end had accounted for the destruction or capture of nearly fifty
German submarines. The U.S. Navy began the war with over 337,000
personnel and more than 300 ships.

loc1303-4:

Despite this "less than overwhelming" performance, the U.S. Navy did
not seem to have a clue that the Canadians and British were far more
significant players in the Battle of the Atlantic.

loc1317-18:

Not surprisingly, much of what the American public was told about
U.S. Navy ASW performance in the Atlantic was outright fabrication,
said Regan.

loc1321-22:

Basically, the Navy department began issuing lies. They claimed
twenty-eight U-boats had been sunk off the east coast whereas the
correct figure was nil.

loc1322-24:

Regan summarized that "the Navy PR officers were not so easily
defeated as their anti-submarine operation," 76 in what amounted to a
vast spin campaign to protect negligent senior admirals from public
disgrace and possible dismissal.

... snip ...

military-industrial(-congressional) complex
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex

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5 Naval Battles That Changed History Forever

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: 5 Naval Battles That Changed History Forever
Date: 23 May 2017
Blog: Facebook

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#17 5 Naval Battles That Changed History Forever

from "General of the Army: George C. Marshall, Soldier and Statesman"
https://www.amazon.com/General-Army-Marshall-Soldier-Statesman-ebook/dp/B009D1ED3M/

pg372/7836-39:

"We are now at the crossroads—if we were committed to the
Mediterranean, except for air alone, it meant a prolonged struggle and
one which was not acceptable to the United States. "This was "playing
hardball," as the politicians on the Hill termed it; Marshall's threat
to turn to the Pacific was deliberately implied and surely inferred.

pg373/7844-45:

The Americans had no intention of waiting until 1945 to invade
France. Such a timetable suggested the war in the Pacific raging into
1947 or 1948, far too long for public opinion to sustain.

also pg340/loc7228-31:

Never far from mind in the Pentagon lurked the fear that delay in the
Mediterranean furthered Imperial Britain's political aims: the longer
Soviet Russia fought Germany alone, the weaker both nations would be,
allowing "the British to enjoy their historic role of arbiter in the
balance of power within continental Europe," as the head of the
Strategy and Policy Group of the Operations Division, Albert
Wedemeyer, argued.

... snip ...

some of this also shows up in "Churchill's Secret War: The British
Empire and the Ravaging of India during World War II"
https://www.amazon.com/Churchills-Secret-War-British-Ravaging-ebook/dp/B003VTZXC2/
and "The Battle of Bretton Wood: John Maynard Keynews, Harry Dexter
White, and the Making of a New World Order"
https://www.amazon.com/Battle-Bretton-Woods-Relations-University-ebook/dp/B00B5ZQ72Y/

trivia from "Bretton Wood" book, White was under the influence of
Soviets, Stalin worried that Japan would attack while he was dealing
with Germany, sent White draft of demands for US to present to Japan,
which would motivate Japan to attack US
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull_note#Interpretations

other trivia from "The Brothers: John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles, and
Their Secret World War"
https://www.amazon.com/Brothers-Foster-Dulles-Allen-Secret-ebook/dp/B00BY5QX1K/

John Foster Dulles played major role in rebuilding German industry and
military in 20s&30s. From law of unintended consequences, when 1943 US
Strategic Bombing program needed location of German industry and
military targets, they got the coordinates from wallstreet. After the
war, he made some justification that he was building up Germany as a
countermeasure to the Soviets.

past refs to Churchill's Secret War
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015e.html#62 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#89 "I used a real computer at home...and so will you" (Popular Science May 1967)

past refs to "The Battle of Bretton Woods" &/or "Hull Note"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#45 The Battle of Bretton Woods: John Maynard Keynes, Harry Dexter White, and the Making of a New World Order
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#51 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#54 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#55 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#70 God No, the U.S. Air Force Doesn't Need Another Curtis LeMay
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015d.html#13 Fully Restored WWII Fighter Plane Up for Auction
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015d.html#53 Western Union envisioned internet functionality
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#31 I Feel Old
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#39 Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#64 Isolationism and War Profiteering
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#74 Qbasic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#75 Qbasic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#49 Fateful Choices
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#94 The Brothers: John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles, and Their Secret World War
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#80 "I used a real computer at home...and so will you" (Popular Science May 1967)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#90 Economist, Harry Dent Hints: Global Banks Facing a Serious Crisis in Months Ahead
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#91 Godwin's Law should force us to remember & fear our shared heritage with Nazi Germany
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#55 Should America Have Entered World War I?

past refs "John Foster Dulles":
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014c.html#35 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014c.html#36 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015.html#26 channel islands, definitely not the location of LEO
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015.html#62 IBM Data Processing Center and Pi
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#13 Keydriven bit permutations
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#52 IBM Data Processing Center and Pi
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#68 Why do we have wars?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#69 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#71 Why do we have wars?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#78 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#86 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#35 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#45 The Battle of Bretton Woods: John Maynard Keynes, Harry Dexter White, and the Making of a New World Order
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#51 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#70 God No, the U.S. Air Force Doesn't Need Another Curtis LeMay
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015d.html#13 Fully Restored WWII Fighter Plane Up for Auction
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015d.html#37 End of vacuum tubes in computers?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015d.html#53 Western Union envisioned internet functionality
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#29 Eric Holder Returns as Hero to Law Firm That Lobbies for Big Banks
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#36 Eric Holder, Wall Street Double Agent, Comes in From the Cold
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#77 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#7 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#10 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#55 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#0 How Corporate America Invented Christian America; Inside one reverend's big business-backed 1940s crusade to make the country conservative again
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#26 Putin's Great Crime: He Defends His Allies and Attacks His Enemies
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#28 rationality
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#119 For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#31 I Feel Old
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#38 Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#86 Thanks Obama
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#39 Failure as a Way of Life; The logic of lost wars and military-industrial boondoggles
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#49 Corporate malfeasance
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#64 Isolationism and War Profiteering
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#75 Qbasic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#77 Qbasic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#78 Qbasic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#79 Qbasic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#80 Qbasic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#91 Qbasic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#11 Study: Cost of U.S. Regulations Larger Than Germany's Economy
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#49 Fateful Choices
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#88 "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#27 British socialism / anti-trust
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#56 "One Nation Under God: How Corporate America Invented Christian America"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#94 The Brothers: John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles, and Their Secret World War
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016g.html#9 Wall Street Preparing Dodd-Frank Rule Workaround
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016g.html#63 America's Over-Hyped Strategic Bombing Experiment
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#2 Smedley Butler
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#32 "I used a real computer at home...and so will you" (Popular Science May 1967)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#80 "I used a real computer at home...and so will you" (Popular Science May 1967)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#83 "I used a real computer at home...and so will you" (Popular Science May 1967)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#63 One Nation Under God: How Corporate America Invented Christian America
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#54 Mary Jo White Seriously Misled The US Senate To Become SEC Chair
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#64 Jean Tirole's Proposal to Appoint Felons to Monitor CEOs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#36 Trump's S.E.C. Nominee Disclosure Offers Rare Glimpse of Clients and Conflicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#91 Godwin's Law should force us to remember & fear our shared heritage with Nazi Germany
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#38 Imperial Hubris
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#55 Should America Have Entered World War I?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#22 Ironic old "fortune"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#23 Ironic old "fortune"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#60 The Illusion Of Victory: America In World War I
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#69 The knives are out for Trump's national security adviser H.R. McMaster

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 12:52:30 -0700

Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:

However, the first thing zealots do is ban birth control; it would
interfere with their attempts to outnumber their opponents.  Even in
western society, the doctrine of perpetual growth demands more and
more consumers, and rulers want to have more subjects to rule.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#12 [CM] What was your first home computer?

For-profit prisons want large numbers of non-violent youth offenders
that they can use for slave labor. seems to go along with increasing
inequality
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#inequality

they also have been coming up with new gimmicks for debtors prisons
(which are otherwise against the law in the US)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debtors%27_prison
modern debtors prisons (in the US)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debtors%27_prison#Modern_debtors.27_prisons_.281970.E2.80.93current.29
and
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/02/debtors-prison/462378/
https://www.motorists.org/alerts/policing-profit-can-lead-debtors-prisons-nma-e-newsletter-429/
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/36271-these-seven-states-still-operate-debtors-prisons
https://www.aclu.org/feature/ending-modern-day-debtors-prisons

note that china recently have strictly enforced 1child families ... to
try and get control over the over population problem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy
It did have unintended side effects, families primarily selected for
males ... to they now have a scarcity of females.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy#Disparity_in_sex_ratio_at_birth

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 13:07:57 -0700

mausg writes:

Why does he/she not rent?. One of the reasons that quality house
prices _anywhere_ are so hig is the ginormous amount being held
offshore by US tech firms, much of which is invested in housing.

part of the issue was after the economic mess, with the explosion in
underwater mortgages & foreclosures ... private-equity firms were doing
bulk wholesale purchases of homes ... and then gouging rents
... exacerbating the problems

How Wall Street Has Turned Housing Into a Dangerous Get-Rich-Quick
Scheme -- Again
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/11/wall-street-buying-foreclosed-homes

Hedge funds and private equity firms have quietly bought 200,000 cheap,
mostly foreclosed houses in cities hardest hit by the economic meltdown.

... snip ...

Private-equity fund snaps up foreclosures to turn into rentals
https://www.probuilder.com/private-equity-fund-snaps-foreclosures-turn-rentals
Private Equity Funds Target Foreclosed Homes As Rental Play
http://www.nreionline.com/finance-amp-investment/private-equity-funds-target-foreclosed-homes-rental-play
This Could Get Interesting: Private Equity Is Jumping Into The
Distressed Housing Market
http://www.businessinsider.com/this-could-get-interesting-private-equity-is-jumping-into-the-distressed-housing-market-2012-1
Wall Street buyers snap up thousands of local homes for rentals
http://www.seattletimes.com/business/wall-street-buyers-snap-up-thousands-of-local-homes-for-rentals/
Rental Market's Big Buyers
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10000872396390443768804578034821658901916

The Top 5 Real Estate Private Equity Firms in the US
https://fundrise.com/education/blog-posts/deep-pockets-the-top-5-real-estate-private-equity-firms-in-the-us

Since the late 80s, private equity funds have experienced tremendous
growth, becoming the dominant capital provider in commercial real estate
markets. This growth began following the savings and loan crisis of the
late 80s and early 90s, when private equity firms began opportunistic
real estate funds.

... snip ...

trivia: industry had gotten such a bad reputation during the S&L
crisis, that they changed the industry name to "private equity"
(and "junk bonds" became "high yield bonds").
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#s&l.crisis
private equiity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#private.equity

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 16:47:35 -0700

Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:

How Wall Street Has Turned Housing Into a Dangerous Get-Rich-Quick
Scheme -- Again
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/11/wall-street-buying-foreclosed-homes

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#20 [CM] What was your first home computer?

some more

Jared Kushner's Other Real Estate Empire, Baltimore-area renters
complain about a property owner they say is neglectful and
litigious. Few know their landlord is the president's son-in-law.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/23/magazine/jared-kushners-other-real-estate-empire.html

That June, the company and its equity partners bought 4,681 units of
what are known in real estate jargon as "distress-ridden", Class B"
apartment complexes" units whose prices fell somewhere in the middle of
the market, typically of a certain age and wear, whose owners were in
financial difficulty. The properties were spread across 12 sites in
Toledo, Ohio; Pittsburgh; and other Rust Belt cities still reeling from
the Great Recession.

... snip ...

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[CM] overpriced housing, was What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] overpriced housing, was What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 18:36:54 -0700

John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> writes:

Wow, that is an impressive confusion of numbers.  Yes, US companies
have a lot of unrepatriated offshore profits.  No, it is not invested
in housing.  It's mostly in short term bonds.  If you disagree, find
us a few billion dollars of foreign houses owned by Apple.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#4 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#6 [CM] What was your first home computer?

... offshore accounting gimmick to avoid taxes ... with the money
possibly not ever even actually leaving the country ... with the aid of
various congressional tax loopholes

The myth of Corporate America's offshore cash
http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/10/news/economy/offshore-cash/

Here's why: Foreign subsidiaries of companies often put their unused
earnings into U.S. bonds, stocks and bank deposits. That money, in
essence, is helping to finance federal and corporate debt and to make
bank loans to American businesses.

... snip ...

tax evasion, tax avoidance, tax havens
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#tax.evasion

other

The Biggest Tax Scam Ever; Some of America's top corporations are
parking profits overseas and ducking hundreds of billions in taxes. And
how's Congress responding? It's rewarding them for ripping us off
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-biggest-tax-scam-ever-20140827

Offshore Shell Games 2016
https://itep.org/offshore-shell-games-2016/

Approximately 58 percent of companies with tax haven subsidiaries have
set up at least one in Bermuda or the Cayman Islands -- two particularly
notorious tax havens. The profits that all American multinationals --
not just Fortune 500 companies -- collectively claimed they earned in
these two island nations according to the most recent data totaled 1,884
percent and 1,313 percent of each country's entire yearly economic
output, respectively.

... snip ...

some past bermuda & cayman posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#12 Amid Economic Turbulence, Mainframes Counter IT Cost-Cutting Trend
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#77 Now is time for banks to replace core system according to Accenture
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#91 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#26 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#91 IBM layoffs strike first in India; workers describe cuts as 'slaughter' and 'massive'
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#2 weird apple trivia
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#76 LEO
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015e.html#94 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#91 Thanks Obama
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#92 Thanks Obama
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#35 Deutsche Bank and a $10Bn Money Laundering Nightmare: More Context Than You Can Shake a Stick at

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MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

Refed: **, - **, - **, - **, - **, - **, - **
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 09:47:11 -0700

Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:

I think I'm the only person in the world who _likes_ JCL. It gives you
a degree of control of the system that you don't get with other
systems. My impression is that you might have to write a program on,
e..g. unix to do what you can do on MVS with a few lines of JCL. Of
course most of such programs have already been written, but JCL is
standard as opposed to a random collection of programs you might have
installed on your particular system.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#92 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#93 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#94 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

back when I was responsible of production os/360 at the univ. The first
thing you did after building new system was verify all the production
JCL continued to work. Release-to-release changes routinely broke some
production JCL.

hasp, jes2, nji, etc posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#hasp

Philosophically, online systems tended to start out assuming that the
responsible person was there in case something went wrong. Batch systems
started assuming the reverse, that the responsible person wasn't there
... so increasingly had provisions to automate handling issues (and help
led the way to server, dark room operations).

I periodically pontificate about being brought in as consultant
to small client/server startup that wanted to do payment transactions
on their server, they had also invented this technology they called
"SSL" they wanted to use, the result is now frequently called
"electronic commerce". I had absolute authority over webserver to
internet gateway to payment networks.

The payment networks trouble desk (with circuit-based infrastructure)
had standard of 5mins elapsed time for first-level problem
determination. Early pilot operation with webserver had trouble call
that was eventually closed after 3hrs with "no trouble found".  I had to
do a lot of documentation and compensating diagnostic software to try
and get internet/packet-based to comparable to legacy circuit-based
infrastructure.

Until he passes, the internet standard RFC editor also would let me help
do STD1. He also sponsored a talk I gave at ISI (including inviting USC
graduate computer sec. group) on Why Internet Isn't Business Critical
Dataprocessing.

past posts claiming it can take 4-10 times the (original) effort to
take a well designed and testing application and turn it into
"service".
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001f.html#75 Test and Set (TS) vs Compare and Swap (CS)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#93 Buffer overflow
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002n.html#11 Wanted: the SOUNDS of classic computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003g.html#62 IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003p.html#37 The BASIC Variations
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004b.html#8 Mars Rover Not Responding
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004b.html#48 Automating secure transactions
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004l.html#49 "Perfect" or "Provable" security both crypto and non-crypto?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004p.html#23 Systems software versus applications software definitions
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004p.html#63 Systems software versus applications software definitions
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004p.html#64 Systems software versus applications software definitions
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005b.html#40 [Lit.] Buffer overruns
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005i.html#42 Development as Configuration
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005n.html#26 Data communications over telegraph circuits
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006n.html#20 The System/360 Model 20 Wasn't As Bad As All That
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007f.html#37 Is computer history taught now?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#51 IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the sky is falling!!)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007h.html#78 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007n.html#77 PSI MIPS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#23 Outsourcing loosing steam?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#54 Industry Standard Time To Analyze A Line Of Code
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007v.html#53 folklore indeed
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008e.html#41 IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008e.html#50 fraying infrastructure
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008e.html#53 Why Is Less Than 99.9% Uptime Acceptable?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#33 Mainframe Project management
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#35 Builders V. Breakers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008p.html#48 How much knowledge should a software architect have regarding software security?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#0 Is SUN going to become x86'ed ??
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#27 PDCA vs. OODA
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#67 Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012d.html#44 Faster, Better, Cheaper: Why Not Pick All Three?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014f.html#13 Before the Internet: The golden age of online services
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#86 Economic Failures of HTTPS Encryption
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#146 LEO
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015e.html#10 The real story of how the Internet became so vulnerable
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015e.html#16 The real story of how the Internet became so vulnerable
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#27 History of Mainframe Cloud

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 10:06:00 -0700

Richard Thiebaud <thiebauddick2@aol.com> writes:

Real capitalists have no morals.

wallstreet has become increasingly dominated by sociopaths gaming the
system. item from last decade ... estimate at the time, sometime like
30% of transactions (before HFT really took off ... which has made it
much worse)

CRAMER REVEALS A BIT TOO MUCH
http://nypost.com/2007/03/20/cramer-reveals-a-bit-too-much/

He added that the strategy - while illegal - was safe enough because,
"the Securities and Exchange Commission never understands this."

... snip ...

recent posts mentioning HFT:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#43 when to get out???
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#22 How do BIG WEBSITES work?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#23 How do BIG WEBSITES work?

the other explanation was industry/gov. "revolving door" and SEC (and
other regulators, federal reserve, office comptroller currency, FDIC,
CFTC, etc) just turning blind eye.

Rhetoric on flr of congress was that Sarbanes-Oxley would prevent future
ENRONs and guarantee that executives and auditors did jailtime, however
it required SEC to do something. Possibly because even GAO didn't
believe SEC was doing anything, it started doing reports of public
company fraudulent financial filings ... even showing uptic after SOX
goes into effect
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#enron
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#sarbanes-oxley
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#financial.reporting.fraud

I've mentioned before getting asked in 1999 to help try and prevent the
economic mess (basically improve integrity of securitized instrument
supporting documents as countermeasure to fraud). However they then
figured out that they could pay credit rating agencies for triple-A
rating (when the rating agencies knew they weren't worth triple-A, from
OCT2008 congressional testimony). Triple-A trumps supporting documents
and they can start doing no-documentation, liar loans. Triple-A
significantly contributes to them doing over $27T 2001-2008, even
selling to entities restricted to only dealing in "safe" investments
(like large pension funds).
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#toxic.cdo

trivia: SOX included provision that SEC also do something about the
credit rating agencies, but they did about as much about them as it did
about fraudulent financial filings.

part of the industry got such a bad reputation during the S&L crisis
that they change the industry name to "private-equity" and "junk bonds"
became "high-yield bonds" ...
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#s&l.crisis
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#private.equity

note that the economic mess last decade was 70 times larger than S&L
crisis which had 1000 criminal convictions with jailtime
(proportionally, economic mess should have been 70,000 criminal
convictions with jailtime). trivia: same family involved in both the S&L
crisis and the economic mess.

Possibly from the law of unintended consequences ... the real too big
to fail
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail
bailout was by the federal researve including tens of trillions
in ZIRP funds
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#zirp

large corporations have been low interest rate loans for stock buybacks,
helping prop up their stock prices and meeting executive bonus
objectives (executives getting enormous bonuses when otherwise
the company may be tanking).
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#stock.buyback

Stockman's The Great Deformation: The Corruption of Capitalism

pg464/loc9995-10000:

IBM was not the born-again growth machine trumpeted by the mob of Wall
Street momo traders. It was actually a stock buyback contraption on
steroids. During the five years ending in fiscal 2011, the company spent
a staggering $67 billion repurchasing its own shares, a figure that was
equal to 100 percent of its net income.

pg465/10014-17:

Total shareholder distributions, including dividends, amounted to $82
billion, or 122 percent, of net income over this five-year
period. Likewise, during the last five years IBM spent less on capital
investment than its depreciation and amortization charges, and also
shrank its constant dollar spending for research and development by
nearly 2 percent annually.

... snip ...

some recent posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#54 Why the Pursuit of Shareholder Value Kills Innovation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#43 when to get out???
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#58 The ICL 2900
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#5 IBM's core business
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#3 [CM] What was your first home computer?

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MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 10:28:38 -0700

Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:

I know that the MTS system I used at University, in addition to using
IBM's FORTRAN IV G and H compilers, modified to run under MTS, also
used HASP, also so modified.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#92 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#93 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#94 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#23 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

cp/40-cms was originally implemented on 360/40 that had been modified to
ad hardware support for virtual memory. CP/40-CMS morphs into CP/67-CMS
when standard 360/67 with virtual memory becomes available.

lots of installations were sold 360/67 for use with tss/360 ... but
because tss/360, lots of installations just used it as 360/65 with
os/360 (not using virtual memory). Other installations did their own
virtual memory support ... Univ of Mich did MTS, Stanford did
Orvyl/Wylbur, some recent posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#28 {wtf} Tymshare SuperBasic Source Code
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#10 IBM 1970s
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#3 The ICL 2900
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#50 Univ. 709
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#75 Mainframe operating systems?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#97 IBM revenue has fallen for 20 quarters -- but it used to run its business very differently
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#58 A flaw in the design; The
Internet's founders saw its promise but didn't foresee users attacking
one another

and the IBM science center did CP/67-CMS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech

CMS ran a lot of the OS/360 compilers, assemblers and other applications
by providing simulation of some of OS/360 system services (less than
64kbytes of code). Later at the VM370/CMS development group they added
much more extensive simulatio of MVS system services (joke was in
120kbytes of code, it did better cost effective simulation than MVS did
in 8mbytes of code). However that was all lost when the POK MVS group
convinced corporate to kill VM370 product, shutdown the Burlington, Mass
development group and move all the people to POK to work on MVS/XA
(Endicott eventually manages to save the VM370 product mission, but had
to resurrect a development group from scratch).

In the early 80s, internal mainframe datacenters were running out of
space ... and they were moving a lot of online computer out into 4341s
in departmental areas. There were several large MVS-based development
applications that wouldn't run on CMS. They managed to move quite a few
of these applications to vm370/cms (on distributed 4341s) by providing
another 12kbytes of MVS system services simulation.

old 4341 emial (including refs to additional 12kbytes simulation).

triva: in 67/68 time-frame when science center had 12 people working on
cp67 & CMS and various online applications, the TSS/360 group had around
1200 people.

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 11:24:58 -0700

Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:

CRAMER REVEALS A BIT TOO MUCH
http://nypost.com/2007/03/20/cramer-reveals-a-bit-too-much/

He added that the strategy - while illegal - was safe enough because,
"the Securities and Exchange Commission never understands this."

... snip ...

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#24 [CM] What was your first home computer?

the low-end version is penny stock ... pump and dump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pump_and_dump

note no just stocks, CFTC had rule that commodidities players had to have
significant (commoditiy) position because speculators resulted in wild,
irrational price swings (aka they are skimming money on volitility,
pump&dump on the way up and shorting on the way down). Then there were
19 "secret letters" allowing specific speculators to play.  One of the
results was the huge spike in gas the summer of 2008. some past
posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#griftopia

in 2011 a senator releases transaction details showing the speculators
responsible for the huge spike in oil/gas the summer of 2008. For some
reason, the press then pillers/criticizes the senator for violating
privacy of the corporations responsible (rather than criticizing those
responsible for the commodity manipulation).

"too big to fail" have gotten heavily into manipulating commodities
(apparently with impunity in mainstream press) ... however they have
also gotten away pretty free, getting periodic fines for repeatedly
(also) manipulating LIBOR and FOREX (besides commodities, stocks, etc).
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#libor

the first time I noticed the use of too big to presecute and too big
to jail ... when they were also got caught (and only moderate fines)
money laundering for drug cartels and terrorists
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#money.laundering
and
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail

including tieing the money laundering enabling militerizing cartels and
their weapons and the big uptic in cartel violence on both sides of the
border.

In the late 90s, I was also asked to looking at improving the exchange
trading floor transactions ... I worked on it for awhile and then get
dall saying the work is being suspended. The explanation was a side
effect of the integrity work would greatly increase transparency and
visibility and basically a large portion of transactions couldn't stand
the light of day (also see Cramer reference) ... transparency and
visibility antithetical to wallstreet culture.

Later at the Madoff congressional hearings, they had the person that had
tried unsuccessfully for a decade to get SEC to do something about
Madoff (eventually SEC's hands were forced when Madoff turned himself
in). During testimony, he was asked if new regulations were needed.  He
replied that while new regulations might be needed, much more important
was transparency and visibility (possibly because SEC wasn't doing a lot
about existing regulations).
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#madoff

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MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 12:07:37 -0700

Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> writes:

Yes, and good luck trying to do the equivalent with JCL.

You can actually write a JCL procedure called RM and have
it delete a file but then you would end up with:

// RM FILE1
// RM FILE2

and both file deletions would need to invoke IEFBR14 or IDCAMS
separately.

Okay, so try to write a proc that handles this:

// RM FILE1,FILE2...

Good luck.  Your best bet would be to invoke TSO in the
PROC and use a CLIST or REXX.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#92 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#93 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#94 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#23 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#25 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

an early CP/67-CMS customer was Union Carbide. One of the Union Carbide
people wrote a OS/360 program that ran on the operator's console that
implemented most of the CMS commands ... similuating them with OS/360
system services (gave os/360 operator's console look&feel of CMS).  This
could be run on real 360 ... but was frequently used running os/360 in
virtual machine.

one of the early commercial service bureau spinoffs of science center
was NCSS. Another involved people from both science center and the guy
that ran MIT lincoln labs and cp67 people from lincoln labs ... that had
their office in waltham, mass. The Union Carbide guy joined the
waltham, mass group (they also tried to recruit me when I graduated,
rather than joining the science center).
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech

trivia: both cp67 service bureaus quickly moved up the value chain to
providing financial information to wallstreet and other financial
institutions
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#timeshare

when there was still facade that TARP funds would be used to buy Too
Big To Fail offbook toxic assets ... the waltham corporation was
briefly mentioned in Jan2009 that they would be involved in helping
value the offbook toxic assets (they had previously bought the pricing
services division from one of the major credit rating agencies, giving
rise to some jokes that credit rating agencies didn't really need to
know value of things they were rating).

Then there was publicity that it was too hard to rate the TBTF offbook
toxic assets. Various issues:

1) late summer some offbook toxic assets went for 22cents on the dollar,
if the rest of the offbook toxic assets went for that price, the TBTF
would be declared insolvent and have to be liquidated.

2) ye2008, just the four largest TBTF were still carrying $5.2T in
offbook toxic assets while there had only been $700B appropriated for
TARP. There wasn't even enough to cover $5.2T at 22cents on the
dollar ($1.14T) which would have also been $4.06T loss

3) paying for triple-A ratings trumps documentation so they could start
doing no-documentation, liar loans ... liar loans w/o documentation it
would be impossible to value the offbook toxic assets.

some too big to fail posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail
some (triple-A rated) toxic asset posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#toxic.cdo

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 12:48:01 -0700

Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> writes:

Many of the horrors of JCL really stem from the architecture of the
360.  There's a lot of detail of data set allocation, with CKD disks
and the variable record size features of the disks.  So, allocating
files by having to know, in ADVANCE, how many tracks or cylinders they
will occupy, and having to deal with what happens if the file grows.
Yes, these things really gave you a lot of flexibility to do it YOUR
way, and certainly having all files on the system perfectly contiguous
at all times helped performance.  And, getting full performance out of
a 360 was important, because especially the lower models were REALLY
slow, and peripherals (I'm thinking mainly 2314 disks, here) were
really slow to seek.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#92 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#93 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#94 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#23 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#25 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#27 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

there is recent thread on ibm-main mailing list about choosing the
optimal blocking factor for (CKD) disks improved performance, taking
into account track size, tracks/cyl, number of cylinders, etc.

However real CKD disks haven't been built for decades, being simulated
on industry standard fixed-block disks
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#3 SDB (system detrmined Blksize)

ckd, fba, multi-track search, etc posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#dasd

thread (archived at google)
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/bit.listserv.ibm-main/FjMmn2SWS1g

big OS360 problem with CKD was early 360 using multi-track search (and
channel capacity) trade-off for limited real storage. By late 70s, the
situation had inverted ... real storage was getting large enough to
cache location tables instead of constantly doing multi-track searches.
I was called into a number of customer severe VS2 performance accounts,
that turned out were doing wide-spread transaction activity with each
transaction loading application out of large PDS library on
(loosely-coupled shared) 3330 with a three cylinder directory. After
depth of search was 1.5cyls, multi-track search of 19tracks
(19recolutions at 60/sec) or .317 seconds elapsed time I/O plus 9.5
tracks 0.156 seconds elapsed time I/O ... plus random access to load the
application ... total around .5seconds elapsed time to load each
transaction application. This is for national retailer that really
wanted to do tens or hundreds of transactions per seconds.

I had offerred the MVS group FBA support (which required keeping tables
and eliminating multi-track search). However, I was told that even if I
provided fully tested and integrated implementation, it would still cost
$26M for education and documentation ... so I needed a $200M-$300M
additional new sales business case (and since customers were already
buying disks as fast as they could be made, it would have just met they
would be same amount of FBA as they were buying CKD).

past posts getting to play disk engineer in bldgs. 14&15
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#disk

other perspective ... current processors latency to memory, when
measured in count of machine cycles ... is compareable to number of 60s
machine cycles for latency to 60s disk.

In the 70s, I was pointing out that relative system disk troughput was
declining. Early 80s, I was pointificating that relative system disk
throughput had declined by factor of ten times since 60s (processors
were getting faster, much faster than disks were getting faster). The
disk division executives took exception and assigned the division
performance group to refute my claims. They came back a few weeks later
and effectively said that I had slightly understated the situation.
past posts with comparison http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/93.html#31

they then respun the analysis for configurating disks to improve system
throughput ... which was presented at SHARE (session B874). some recent
posts mentioning b874
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#32 Virtualization's Past Helps Explain Its Current Importance
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#70 The ICL 2900
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#61 Paging subsystems in the era of bigass memory
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#5 TSS/8, was A Whirlwind History of the Computer

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 12:58:16 -0700

Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:

note that china recently have strictly enforced 1child families ... to
try and get control over the over population problem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy
It did have unintended side effects, families primarily selected for
males ... to they now have a scarcity of females.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy#Disparity_in_sex_ratio_at_birth

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#12 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#19 [CM] What was your first home computer?

India's population already overtaken China's: Chinese demographer;
According to the demographer's numbers, India is now the world's most
populous country, overtaking China five years ahead of forecasts.
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/indian-population-overtakes-china-chinese-demographer/1/960581.html

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MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 13:55:47 -0700

Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:

Avg. depth of search was 1.5cyls, multi-track search of 19tracks
(19recolutions at 60/sec) or .317 seconds elapsed time I/O plus 9.5
tracks 0.156 seconds elapsed time I/O ... plus random access to load
the application ... total around .5seconds elapsed time to load each
transaction application. This is for national retailer that really
wanted to do tens or hundreds of transactions per seconds.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#92 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#93 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#94 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#23 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#25 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#27 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#28 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

first one of these, was invited into large national retailer hdqtrs
datacenter ... took me to classroom with 15-20 classroom tables.  half
dozen tables covered with piles of performance activity printouts from
multiple high-end mainframe VS2 systems.

I start leafing through the printouts, after 30mins or so start to
realize that big drop-off in performance seemed to be correlated with
maximum/peak total activity (across multiple systems) on particular 3330
shared disk of around 7 I/Os second (bascially the two multi-track
search I/Os plus application load for approx. two transactions/sec
... plus part of something additional).

futher investigation was disk that contained the transaction application
PDS dataset library ... for all national retail stores. Eventually
solutions was to split it into three PDS libraries and give each
loosely-coupled system, their own private copy of the three PDS
libraries. Highest used applications load-balanced in PDS dataset with
fewest number of members, to minimize the multi-track search
revolutions.

about same time, had something related in IBM San Jose Research.  At the
time had 370/158 for VM and 370/168 for MVS with shared 3330 disk pool
... but stricked rules that strings were dedicated for systems, and MVS
3330s couldn't be mounted on VM370 strings.

around 10am one moring, the datacenter starting getting angry calls from
vm370 users about CMS response had radically degrading. Investigating,
turns out an operator had accidentally mounted 3330 pack on vm370
string. The standard MVS multi-track search operations were horribly
interfering with CMS response i.e. a multi-track search ties/locks up
the device, but also channel and (shared) controller. MVS/TSO users are
so use to the problem that they don't know enough to complain ... but it
came as a horrible shock to CMS users (how badly CKD DASD multi-track
searches affect response).

demands were made to immediately move the offending MVS pack. Operations
say they wouldn't do it until 2nd shift. We placed a pack on MVS string
for a VS1 system highly optimived for running under VM370 and brought it
up in a virtual machine ... and started do things involving multi-track
search ... which brings the MVS/168 to its knees (even running under
loaded vm370 running on 370/158 easily outperforms MVS/168) which
significantly improves CMS response. Operations then say they will
immediately move the MVS pack off the VM370 string, if we move the VS1
pack.

past posts mentioning CKD, FBA, multi-track search, pds, vtoc, etc
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#dasd

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MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 14:55:35 -0700

Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:

With DOS I tuned things like using "split cylinder" allocation for the
COBOL work files - half the tracks on a cylinder for one, half for the
other. It was astonishing how much things sped up - no disk arm movement.

Undergraduate in the 60s (univ. hired me to responsible for their
productions systems), I would hand order output of stage1 sysgen so the
result of stage2 sysgen built system packs trying to optimize dataset
placement, ordering of members in PDS datasets (and therefor also
ordering in PDS directory multitrack search) to optimize disk arm
mortion (and multitrack search time).  old post in this thread showing
part of presentation I did at SHARE on the work (also some results of
rewritting sections of cp67 to improve os360 performance in virtual
machine)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#93 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

one of the problems were PTF fixes where constantly being applied,
which would delete old PDS member and insert replacement PDS
member at the end. After 6months or so of PTF activity, there
could be noticeable degradation (and I might have to rebuild
system packs to recover the optimized disk performance).

other posts in thread
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#92 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#94 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#23 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#25 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#27 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#28 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#30 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

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MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 21:39:05 -0700

Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> writes:

The OS data structures are full of bit flags.

360/65MP was (os/360 mvt) kernel (test&set) spin-lock implementation
... so kernel code only ran on one processor at a time ...  and
applications only ran on one processor at a time.

charlie invented compare&swap instruction (instruction name chosen
because CAS are charlie's initials) while doing fine-grain
multiprocessor locking for cp/67 (kernel code could run simultaneously
on both processors) at the science center
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech
and
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#smp

initially when we attempted to try and get compare&swap added to 370
architecture ... it was rejected because the pok favorite sone operating
system people said that test&set was sufficient to multiprocessor
support. The 370 architecture owners said that in order to justify
compare&swap for 370, we had to come up with uses besides kernel
multiprocessing locking/serialization. Thus was born the application
multiprogramming uses (whether running on single processor or multiple
processors) ... examples continued to be in principles of operation
appendix.
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/DZ9ZR003/A.6.2?SHELF=DZ9ZBK03&DT=20040504121320&CASE=
and
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/DZ9ZR003/A.6.3?SHELF=DZ9ZBK03&DT=20040504121320&CASE=
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/DZ9ZR003/A.6.4?SHELF=DZ9ZBK03&DT=20040504121320&CASE=
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/DZ9ZR003/A.6.5?SHELF=DZ9ZBK03&DT=20040504121320&CASE=

however, lter as MVS tries to move from single multiprocessor kernel
spin-lock to finer grain locking, the enormous number of bit flag
operations gave rise to the folklore is that high-end 370 MVS machines
had to fiddle the oi&ni instructions ... since they aren't automic like
compare&swap ...  aka the processor hardware has to fetch the storage,
modify the bit and then store it back in single instruction operation
(but involves multiple non-atomic storage operations from memory
standpoint) ... aka they had to "fix" the multiprocessor hardware so
that oi/ni operate more like compare&swap (because mvs couldn't fix all
the problems). It is one of the reasons why they also explicitly added
this to principles of operation appendix
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/DZ9ZR003/A.6.1?SHELF=DZ9ZBK03&DT=20040504121320&CASE=

os/360 bit flag problems show up again in moving to mvs/xa 31-bit
addressing because lots of them where in the high-order byte of 24-bit
address fields.

posts in thread
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#92 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#93 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#94 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#23 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#25 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#27 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#28 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#30 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#31 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

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MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 22:16:32 -0700

drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) writes:

UMich felt HASP was clunky, and Resource Manager was eventually
written by one of the consortium members.

my wife was in the JES group and one of the "catchers" for ASP turning
it into JES3. She was also co-author JESUS, JES Unified System, all the
features of JES2 and JES3 that the respective customers couldn't live
w/o. However, for various reasons it didn't come to pass ... and then
she was con'ed into going to POK to be responsible for loosely-coupled
architecture (mainframe for cluster). While there she did peer-coupled
shared data architecture
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#shareddata

she didn't remain long in part because of little uptake (except for IMS
hot-standby until sysplex & parallel sysplex) and in part because of
never ending battles with communication group trying to force her into
using SNA/VTAM for loosely-coupled operations.

a little more mention of HASP in this old post primarily having to do
with the justification for moving to virtual memory for all 370s
.... primarily because of the really bad MVT storage management ...
typically requiring regions to be four times larger than actually used
... resulting in only four regions on 1mbyte 370/165. As processors were
getting faster than disks were getting faster ... so high-end 370 needed
increasing numbers of concurrent applications running simultaneously to
keep system utilized.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#73 Multiple Virtual Memory

posts mentioning hasp, jes2, nji, etc
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#hasp

posts in thread:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#92 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#93 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#94 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#23 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#25 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#27 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#28 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#30 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#31 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#32 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

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The head of the Census Bureau just quit, and the consequences are huge

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The head of the Census Bureau just quit, and the consequences are huge
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 08:50:39 -0700

Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> writes:

Index cards, probably.  A separate index sorted by each of the
significant parameters, and an index card for each box or set of data
cards; duplicated in each index.  As office junior before [1]
computerisation, it was my job to maintain several card indexes to data
held in typed and hand-written form in various ledgers and pigeon-hole
systems.  I think that may have helped me to develop enthusiasm for
'personal computers'.

[1] 'Head Office' had a computer that used punched cards, and they sent
the cards out to branches by the van-full every quarter so that we could
hand-write any corrections onto them before sending them back by the
van-full for 'processing'.  That's when our indexes came into their own.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#89 The head of the Census Bureau just quit, and the consequences are huge
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#95 The head of the Census Bureau just quit, and the consequences are huge
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#98 The head of the Census Bureau just quit, and the consequences are huge
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#101 The head of the Census Bureau just quit, and the consequences are huge

Did a couple visits with NIH national library of medicine in the 90s
about UMLS  (unified medical language system) ... basically how
you organize medical knowledge
https://www.nlm.nih.gov/research/umls/

When I was undergraduate, univ. I was at got ONR grant for online
catalog, part of the money went for IBM 2321 datacell. It was also
selected to be betatest site for the original IBM CICS product.  I got
task to support/debug ... there were a couple CICS bugs that I had to
patch (since no source). One was CICS had hard coded spectific set of
BDAM options (not documented) and Library had chosen a different set.
some past cics &/or bdam posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#bdam

at NIH/NLM there were still a couple of people that had done the
original NLM online catalog implementation (about the same time I was
debugging CICS) while they used BDAM, they had written their own online
transaction monitor. Item (article/book) had 80 different
classifications they were indexed by (keywords, author, date,
etc). There was BDAM record for every book/article/etc. Each index had
the BDAM record number for each item that matched that index.

For "AND" queries they just looked for BDAM record numbers that appeared
in both index record ("AND" was set intersection, "OR" was set join).

Early 80s, there was client online query program that ran on Apple
(Grateful Med). One of the problems was by then, the index (medical
knowledge articles/books) had grown so large that queries tended to
return more than thousand items ... even out to 4-5 query terms ... and
tended to be bimodel, either returning thousands of matches or zero
matches. GratefulMed query interface defaulted to just returning the
number of matches. (GratefulMed) Search objective was to find query that
returned more than zero and less than hundred.

UMLS was organization of medical knowledge ... both hierarcical
relations as well as mesh (any-to-any) organizations. They had hired a
SQL/relational firm to load UMLS into RDBMS ... they had spend over two
years for the initial load ... mostly unnormalized and were spending 18
months to update the RDBMS for 9months of new medical knowledge. The
real-world UMLS didn't fit the structured table organization required
by RDBMS

I had worked on the original SQL/relational implementation System/R
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#systemr

and then was brought in to do a different kind of relational
implementation that directly instantiated every relation (rather than
implied by structured table entry in RDBMS) which made it trivial to
represent any kind of relational structure, including any-to-any
mesh. After leaving IBM, I complete rewrote a new version of this from
scratch ... and for NLM it took a few weeks to load the full UMLS.

This also had query language that supported 3-value logic. some past
3-value logic posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003g.html#40 How to cope with missing values - NULLS?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004l.html#75 NULL
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005.html#15 Amusing acronym
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005i.html#35 The Worth of Verisign's Brand
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005m.html#19 Implementation of boolean types
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005t.html#23 So what's null then if it's not nothing?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005t.html#33 What ever happened to Tandem and NonStop OS ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006e.html#34 CJ Date on Missing Information
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006q.html#22 3 value logic. Why is SQL so special?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006q.html#23 3 value logic. Why is SQL so special?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006q.html#29 3 value logic. Why is SQL so special?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006s.html#27 Why these original FORTRAN quirks?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006x.html#21 "The Elements of Programming Style"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006x.html#30 "The Elements of Programming Style"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006y.html#1 "The Elements of Programming Style"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#34 Is the Relational Database Doomed?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#32 Old-school programming techniques you probably don't miss
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009r.html#65 You know you've been Lisp hacking to long when
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#8 Initial ideas (orientation) constrain creativity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013o.html#6 "hexadecimal"?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014c.html#77 Bloat
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#55 Difference between MVS and z / OS systems
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#123 Holy Grail for parallel programming language
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#152 Is true that a real programmer would not stoop to wasting machine capacity to do the assembly?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#63 Do we really?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#24 You thought IEFBR14 was bad? Try GNU's /bin/true code
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#13 Computers anyone?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#93 The Undoing Project: A Friendship That Changed Our Minds Kindle Edition
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#102 Trump to sign cyber security order

past posts mentioning Grateful Med
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001j.html#1 Off-topic everywhere [was: Re: thee and thou
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001m.html#51 Author seeks help - net in 1981
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002g.html#3 Why are Mainframe Computers really still in use at all?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004f.html#0 c.d.theory glossary (repost)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004n.html#47 Shipwrecks
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006l.html#31 Google Architecture
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008l.html#80 Book: "Everyone Else Must Fail" --Larry Ellison and Oracle ???
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009m.html#88 Continous Systems Modelling Package
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#25 Old datasearches
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#9 Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#87 Old data storage or data base
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#63 Do we really?

also posts that mention UMLS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/94.html#26 Misc. more on bidirectional links
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001i.html#27 History of Microsoft Word (and wordprocessing in general)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001j.html#1 Off-topic everywhere [was: Re: thee and thou
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002o.html#45 XML, AI, Cyc, psych, and literature
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002o.html#50 XML, AI, Cyc, psych, and literature
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004e.html#53 c.d.theory glossary (repost)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004f.html#7 The Network Data Model, foundation for Relational Model
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004l.html#52 Specifying all biz rules in relational data
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004o.html#67 Relational vs network vs hierarchic databases
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004p.html#0 Relational vs network vs hierarchic databases
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005d.html#57 Thou shalt have no other gods before the ANSI C standard
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005j.html#45 Where should the type information be?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005j.html#47 Where should the type information be?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#74 Speculation ONLY
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#10 Boyd & Beyond 2010, review at Zenpundit
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#39 Compressing the OODA-Loop - Removing the D (and maybe even an O)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#87 Old data storage or data base
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014c.html#77 Bloat
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#55 Difference between MVS and z / OS systems
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#36 The Network Nation, Revised Edition
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#14 Fast OODA-Loops increase Maneuverability

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Hitachi to Deliver New Mainframe Based on IBM z Systems in Japan

From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Subject: Re: Hitachi to Deliver New Mainframe Based on IBM z Systems in Japan
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Date: 25 May 2017 10:27:20 -0700

sipples@SG.IBM.COM (Timothy Sipples) writes:

I probably disagree with Binyamin about who implemented 31-bit support
when. Wikipedia Japan says that VOS3/ES1, the first 31-bit version of VOS3,
shipped in March, 1985. IBM's MVS/XA shipped at least as early as 1982. (It
was announced in October, 1981.)


In the early 80s, I had full set of all the "Registered Confidential"
documents for unannounced/unshipped 370/xa architecture (which would
eventually show up on 3081) ... referred to as "811" for their Nov1978
publication dates

For some reason, I got a call from head hunter asking me to interview
for job of technical assistant to president of clone 370 processor
company (that resold machines manufactured on the other side of the
pacific). During the interview there were hints dropped that they were
interested in new 370/xa architecture. I politely mentioned that I had
submitted changes to IBM Employee ethics booklet because I didn't think
that it had strong enough ethics guidelines. The interview ended shortly
later ... and I never heard from them again.

Later the overseas company was involved in federal court case about
industrial espionage and because I was listed on the US company's lobby
checkin, I had 3hr interview with FBI agent. Afterwards, I wondered who
had leaked the information (that I had full copy of the XA documents)
... that likely resulted in the job interview.

Note IBM later also unloaded the disk division on them.

Trivia ... during the Future System period in the 70s, 370 efforts were
being shutdown (credited with giving clone makers market foothold)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys

then when FS imploded in mid-70s, there was made rush to get things back
into 370 product pipelines ... 3033, 3081, & 370/xa being kicked off in
parallel ... reference:
http://www.jfsowa.com/computer/memo125.htm

Head of POK also managed to convince corporate to kill VM370, shutdown
the development group and have all the people to transfer to POK to work
on MVS/XA (claim that otherwise MVS/XA wouldn't ship on time quite a few
years later). Note: Endicott eventually manages to save the VM370
product mission, but have to reconstruct a development group from
scratch.

Some of the people do a virtual machine tool supporting MVS/XA
development ... but was never intended to ship to customers. However,
when customers weren't installing MVS/XA as POK planned, they decide to
release the tool as the VM/MA (migration aid) ... allowing customers to
run MVS & MVS/XA concurrently as aid in migration to MVS/XA.

Later they have large development plan to bring VM/MA up to
feature/function level compareable to VM370. Endicott already had VM370
supporting full 370/xa ... done by system support programmer at IBM
Rochester. However, internal politics resulted in the POK large
development plan for VM/MA to win out.

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