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[CM] What was your first home computer?
Time to sack the chief of computing in the NHS?
Gotcha, Tatcha! Thieves hide in servers to hoover up victims' bank card numbers mid-order
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SDB (system determined Blksize)
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Early use of word "computer", 1944
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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 16:04:40 -0700
Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> writes:
Yep, we call them SUVs. Why so many USAins want to drive tanks is beyond me.

a number of years ago there was news that cal. might go after SUVs/hummers ... a lot of people were getting them as residential vehicles ... but claiming commercial truck tax break ... but also many of the residential streets have weight limit ... exceeded by hummers and high end SUVs (and if properly enforced, prohibited on residential streets) ... past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#55 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006s.html#13 Newisys Horus & AMD Opteron
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008l.html#54 dollar coins

from 2004

California's SUV Ban; The Golden State has outlawed big SUVs on many of its roads but doesn't seem to know it.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/hey_wait_a_minute/2004/08/californias_suv_ban.html

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Time to sack the chief of computing in the NHS?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: Time to sack the chief of computing in the NHS?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 11:58:05 -0700
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#77 Time to sack the chief of computing in the NHS?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#78 Time to sack the chief of computing in the NHS?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#83 Time to sack the chief of computing in the NHS?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#84 Time to sack the chief of computing in the NHS?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#85 Time to sack the chief of computing in the NHS?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#86 Time to sack the chief of computing in the NHS?

long ago and far away we were brought in as consultants to a small client/server startup that wanted to do payment transactions on their (commerce) server (we had previously worked with the two people responsible for the commerce server, when they were at oracle), the startup had also invented this technology called "SSL" they wanted to use, the result is now frequently called "electronic commerce".

Somewhat from having done "electronic commerce", we were asked to participate in financial standards X9A10 (now over 20yrs ago) that had been given the requirement to preserve the integrity of the financial industry for *ALL* retail payments (not just internet). We did end-to-end investigation of several kinds of payments and came up with standard that met the objectives. Possibly an issue was that it radically commoditized payments, significantly lowering barriers to entry (affecting existing stakeholders)

earlier thread post reference to conference that Tandem/Compaq & Atalla (ATM machine crypto company that Tandem had bought) put on for me ... really long winded posting from Jan1999:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay3.htm#riskm

and then prototype secure chip (for both transactions and sessions) demos/booth at world wide retail banking BAI show Dec1999:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#224

trivia: the CEO of one of the security companies (originally Kerberos startup) that participated in both the conference and the BAI demo ... had at one time been head of mainframe POK and then IBM/PC boca.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#76 Typesetting
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#79 Typesetting
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#93 Ransomware on Mainframe application ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#100 [CM] What was your first home computer?

posts on risk, fraud, exploits, threats, vulnerabilities
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#threat

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Gotcha, Tatcha! Thieves hide in servers to hoover up victims' bank card numbers mid-order

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Gotcha, Tatcha! Thieves hide in servers to hoover up victims' bank card numbers mid-order
Date: 18 May 2017
Blog: Facebook
Gotcha, Tatcha! Thieves hide in servers to hoover up victims' bank card numbers mid-order
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/17/tatcha_payment_card_data_stolen_midorder/

long ago and far away we were brought in as consultants to a small client/server startup that wanted to do payment transactions on their (commerce) server (we had previously worked with the two people responsible for the commerce server, when they were at oracle), the startup had also invented this technology called "SSL" they wanted to use, the result is now frequently called "electronic commerce".

Somewhat from having done "electronic commerce", we were asked to participate in financial standards X9A10 (now over 20yrs ago) that had been given the requirement to preserve the integrity of the financial industry for *ALL* retail payments (not just internet). We did end-to-end investigation of several kinds of payments and came up with standard that met the objectives. Possibly an issue was that it radically commoditized payments, significantly lowering barriers to entry (affecting existing stakeholders)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/x959.html

reference to conference that Tandem/Compaq & Atalla (ATM machine crypto company that Tandem had bought) put on for me ... really long winded posting from Jan1999:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay3.htm#riskm

Prototype secure payment demos/booth at world wide retail banking BAI show Dec1999:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#224

trivia: the CEO of one of the security companies (originally Kerberos startup) that participated in both the conference and the BAI demo ... had at one time been head of mainframe POK and then IBM/PC boca.

posts on risk, fraud, exploits, threats, vulnerabilities
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#threat
harvesting account number posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#harvest
naked payments metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#payments

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 08:45:48 -0700
jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
I buy stocks or bonds whose dividends will cover my expenses. For example, I had almost enough stock of my electric utility to pay the year's electric bill. then they were bought out with cash.

stockman's "The Great Deformation: The Corruption of Capitalism"

pg464/loc9995-10000:
IBM was not the born-again growth machine trumpeted by the mob of Wall Street momo traders. It was actually a stock buyback contraption on steroids. During the five years ending in fiscal 2011, the company spent a staggering $67 billion repurchasing its own shares, a figure that was equal to 100 percent of its net income.

pg465/10014-17:
Total shareholder distributions, including dividends, amounted to $82 billion, or 122 percent, of net income over this five-year period. Likewise, during the last five years IBM spent less on capital investment than its depreciation and amortization charges, and also shrank its constant dollar spending for research and development by nearly 2 percent annually.
... snip ...

top executives bonus plan tied to stock market.

stock buyback posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#stock.buyback

supported by ZIRP funds
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#zirp

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 12:33:19 -0700
hancock4 writes:
The new rules are a pain in the a**. I don't know why they have to be so convoluted. Thank you, Congress.

congress sells tax loopholes to the special interests ... frequently arcane description ... so that it has very limited applicability.

periodically mention televised round table of economists from economic conference ... on potential of flat tax. something to the effect that congress is the most corrupt institution on earth, in large part for selling tax loopholes. Each individual loophole adds up over time, so in aggregate doing income taxes cost something like 3% of GDP in preparation and 3% of GDP in non-optimal business decisions that qualify for loophole. Going to flat tax would eliminate all that ... and 6% GDP savings would more than offset any advantages from specific loopholes.

Major lobbying against "flat tax" is tax preparation industry (the 3% of GDP) and the country of Ireland (a major beneficiary of loopholes).

One of the things happened in congress was when they figured that they could make a lot more money from reoccurring payments ... than simple one time sale; they have loopholes that are just for fixed number of years so they can get reoccurring payments (to renew loophole).

I've mentioned before industries with large work forces really started to shift profits to a small workforce subsidiary ... example was airline industry shifting profit to selling tickets. Parent company could show substantial profit even when airline operations was showing loss ... since they had shifted profit to making reservations and selling tickets. They could even declare bankruptcy in airine operations and offload pension obligation on the gov.
https://www.pbgc.gov/
http://www.gao.gov/highrisk/pension_benefit/why_did_study

Then last decade, they started moving subsidiary where profit is booked to offshore tax haven (like Ireland) ... that might consist of little more than shoebox of papers in some closet. Poster child was large equipment maker that makes in the US and sells and delivers to customers in the US. They then created distributor subsidiary in offshore tax haven, they sell to the distrubutor at cost, which then sells to the US customers (with all the profit booked in tax haven) ... the equipment is still made in the US and shipped/delivered directly to customers in the US.

tax evasion, tax avoidance, tax havens
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#tax.evasion

2002 congress lets the fiscal responsibility act (can't spend more than tax revenue, on its way to eliminating all federal debt) lapse. 2010, CBO report in 2003-2009, tax revenue was cut by $6T and spending increased by $6T, $12T gap compared to the fiscal responsibility act. since then no renewal of fiscal responsibility act, and only modest cuts in some spending, so federal debt continues to increase.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#fiscal.responsibility.act

Sort of confluence of 1) Federal Reserve and wallstreet wanted huge federal debt, 2) wallstreet and special interests wanted huge tax cut, 3) military-industrial(-congressional) complex wanted huge spending increase.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex

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SDB (system determined Blksize)

From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Subject: Re: SDB (system determined Blksize)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Date: 19 May 2017 14:45:21 -0700
R.Skorupka@BREMULTIBANK.COM.PL (R.S.) writes:
Just curious: the formulas can give fractional values. How to round them? OK, I assume the physrec/trk should be rounded down, but what about D?

remember CKD disks haven't been manufactured for decades, all being simulated on industry standard FBA devices ... originally 512 byte fixed block ... but industry moving to 4k byte fixed block.

In between are 4k FBA that simulate 512 byte.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Format

where you might have CKD simulated on 512 byte FBA simulated on 4096 byte FBA

gets even more complex when RAID is layered over the top.

ckd, fba, multi-track search, etc
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#dasd

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 21:15:24 -0700
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#4 [CM] What was your first home computer?

some more tax evasion and tax haven

Luxembourg Leaks, Secret Tax Deals Exposed
https://www.icij.org/project/luxembourg-leaks
New Leak Reveals Luxembourg Tax Deals for Disney, Koch Brothers Empire
https://www.icij.org/project/luxembourg-leaks/new-leak-reveals-luxembourg-tax-deals-disney-koch-brothers-empire
Luxembourg tax deals for Disney, Koch brothers empires revealed
https://www.publicintegrity.org/2014/12/09/16382/luxembourg-tax-deals-disney-koch-brothers-empires-revealed
New Bank Leak Shows How Rich Exploit Tax Haven Loopholes
https://www.icij.org/offshore/new-bank-leak-shows-how-rich-exploit-tax-haven-loopholes
Faux Corporate Directors Stand in for Fraudsters, Despots and Spies
https://www.icij.org/offshore/faux-corporate-directors-stand-fraudsters-despots-and-spies
The Panama Papers * ICIJ
https://panamapapers.icij.org/
Swiss Leaks: Murky Cash Sheltered by Bank Secrecy
https://www.icij.org/project/swiss-leaks
Deutsche Bank Helped Customers Maintain Hundreds of Offshore Entities
https://www.icij.org/offshore/deutsche-bank-helped-customers-maintain-hundreds-offshore-entities
Map: The Offshore Leaks Revelations
https://www.icij.org/offshore/map-offshore-leaks-revelations

spring 2009, IRS announced it was going after 52,000 wealthy americans that owed $400B in taxes on money illegally hidden overseas. spring 2011, new speaker of the house announced that it was cutting funds for the IRS office responsible for recoverying the $400B. Since then news have been about a couple billion in fines on the TBTFs that facilitated the tax evasions ... but nothing about the $400B (even after the $6T in "legal" cuts 2003-2009, they still needed to do $400B in illegally)

past posts: tax evasion, tax avoidance, tax havens
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#tax.evasion
TBTF posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 08:46:04 -0700
mausg writes:
Happens all over, and sometimes when financial (boom-bust) cycles coincide as happened in Lasnerian 2007, you really have a mess. Very low interest rates (supposedly to encourage growth, really to provide asset-strippers with cash to take over companies that they then loot) have not worked, so they will proably start to rise now, and we will see, as Warren Buffet said, "When the tide goes out, it reveals who is not wearing trunk", (or similiar)

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http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#3 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#4 [CM] What was your first home computer?

also 80s when bush1 was VP, he claims credit as administration point person deregulating financial industry causing S&L crisis, along with other members of his family.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#S&L.crisis

then last decade, another family member presides over the economic mess (70 times larger than the S&L crisis)

adjustable rate mortgage rates were being use sort of bait&switch. late 90s I was asked to help try and prevent coming economic mess. securitized mortgages had been used during the S&L crisis to obfuscate fraudulent mortgages (poster child was office bldgs in Dallas area that turn out to be empty lots). I was to improve the integrity of supporting documents as countermeasure. Then they found they could pay credit rating agencies for triple-A rating on securitized instruments (when both the sellers and the rating agencies knew they weren't worth triple-A ... from Oct2008 congressional hearings into role rating agencies paid). Triple-A trumps supporting documentation and they could start doing no-documentation liar loans. It also met that they no longer had to care about loan quality or borrower's qualifications. Triple-A allows them to sell off everything they generate, including to entities restricted to only dealing in "safe" investments (like large pension funds), largely responsible for being able to do over $27T 2001-2008. past posts mentioning (triple-A) toxic CDOs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#toxic.cdo

spring 2007, some buyers were starting to realize that credit agency ratings were for sale and might no longer be trusted and that froze the muni-bond market. Warren Buffet steps in and starts offering muni-bond insurance to unfreeze the market (profiting off the credit agency rating problems).

Triple-A and selling off everything as fast as they can be generated eliminated any concern about buyers' qualifications and loan quality. However, they then found they could securitize loans, pay for triple-A, sell off to their victims, and pay for CDS gambling bets that they would fail. Now they cared about loan quality, but not in manner that one might think, having created enormous demand for loans that would fail.

The largest holder of CDS gambling bets was AIG and was negotiating to pay off at 50cents on the dollar, when the SECTREAS steps in and says they have to sign a document that they can't sue those making the CDS gambling bets and take TARP funds to pay off at face value. The largest recipient of TARP funds was AIG and the largest recipient of face value payoffs was the firm formally headed by SECTREAS.

Only $700B was appropriated for TARP (supposedly for purchase of too big to fail offbook toxic assets), but end of 2008, just the four largest too big to fail were holding $5.2T in offbook toxic assets. TARP funds then used for other stuff, and it was left to Federal Reserve to bailout TBTF.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail

The FedRes fought long legal battle to prevent disclosing what they were doing ... buying trillions in offbook toxic assets at 98cents on the dollar and providing tens of trillions in ZIRP funds
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#zirp

When they lost the legal battle, the chairman of Federal Reserve held a press conference and said that he had believed the TBTF would use tens of trillions in ZIRP funds to help main street, but when they didn't, he had no way to force them (but that didn't stop the ZIRP funds). Note that chairman supposedly had been selected in part for being student of '29 crash and depression, when the FEDS had done something similar with the same results, so there should have been no expectations of something different.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#fed.chairman

TBTF have been using ZIRP funds to buy treasuries, reportedly making $300B/annum ... but it requires enormous federal debt for it to work ... which starts in 2002 after congress lets fiscal responsibility act lapse ... mentioned upthread
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#fiscal.responsiblity.act

In the past, financial insttitutions have used interest rates to attract deposits for money. However, with tens of trillions in ZIRP funds ... they have no need to attract deposits. Corporations have also been using ZIRP funds for stock buybacks, proping up the stock market
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#stock.buyback

Other trivia: last decade rhetoric on the floor of congress was that sarbanes-oxley would prevent future ENRONs and guarantee that executives and auditors did jailtime, however it required SEC to do something. Possibly because even GAO didn't believe SEC was doing anything, it starts doing reports of fraudulent financial filings, even showing uptic after Sarbanes-Oxley goes into effect (and nobody doing jailtime).
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#enron
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#sarbanes.oxley
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#financial.reporting.fraud

less well known was that Sarbanes-Oxley also included provision that SEC do something about credit rating agencies, but it apparently did about as much about them as it did about financial reporting fraud.

Note that the administration last decade also presides over the fabrication of WMDs as excuse for the Iraq invastion
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#wmds

and the emergence of perpetual war
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#perpetual.war
for the miltiary-industrial(-congressional) complex
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex

past posts mentioning freezing of muni-bond market and Warren Buffett steps in offerring muni-bond insurance:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008o.html#45 The human plague
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008p.html#60 Did sub-prime cause the financial mess we are in?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008q.html#11 Blinkenlights
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#78 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#29 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#77 Who first mentioned Credit Crunch?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#8 The background reasons of Credit Crunch
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#81 The 2010 Census
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#17 What banking is. (Essential for predicting the end of finance as we know it.)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#43 Productivity And Bubbles
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#46 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#30 The first personal computer (PC)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#60 In your opinon, what is the highest risk of financial fraud for a corporation ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#2 'Megalomania, Insanity' Fueled Bubble: Munger
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#44 S&P Downgrades USA; Time to Downgrade S&P?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#69 computer bootlaces
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012c.html#54 PC industry is heading for more change
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#66 Singer Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#63 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#68 OT: "Highway Patrol" back on TV
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014b.html#1 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#0 S&L Crisis and Economic Mess
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#5 Swiss Leaks lifts the veil on a secretive banking system
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#8 Shoot Bank Of America Now---The Case For Super Glass-Steagall Is Overwhelming
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#24 What were the complaints of binary code programmers that not accept Assembly?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#31 What were the complaints of binary code programmers that not accept Assembly?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015e.html#82 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#67 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#78 The Global Financial Crisis: Analysis and Policy Implications
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#0 Repealing Glass-Steagall
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#65 A call for revolution
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#19 Banking; The Book That Will Save Banking From Itself
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#80 GLBA & Glass-Steagall
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#27 Are We Nearing a Cyber Sarbanes-Oxley?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#81 Economic Mess
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#36 Moody's Agrees to Settle Financial Crisis-Era Claims for $864 Million
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#7 OT: Trump Moves to Roll Back Obama-Era Financial Regulations
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#43 when to get out???

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 09:40:46 -0700
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#3 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#4 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#6 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#7 [CM] What was your first home computer?

the freezing of the muni-bond market sort of the start of imploding triple-A rated toxic CDOs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#toxic.cdo

during 2008 there was stories of executives responsible for the TBTF offbook toxic assets ... selling to each other (one bank would buy a billion at face value from another bank, if the other bank bought equivalent amount from them) ... these transactions help prop-up the apparent value ... and also provided those executives transaction commissions.

However end of the summer of 2008 things were starting to really collapse (not just freezing of muni-bond market), CITI (TBTF with the largest amount of the $5.2T held by the four largest TBTF ye2008) sold something like $60B in off-book toxic assets at 22cents on the dollar (the TARP $700B was almost enough to buy all YE2008 $5.2T at 22cents on the dollar, $1T ... but then all four would have declared insolvent and forced to be liquidated).
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail

no.2 on times list of those responsible for economic mess ... not so much for GLBA and repeal of Glass-Steagall ... but for bill that prevents CDS gambling bets from being regulated.
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877330,00.html
Glass-Steagall posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#Pecora&/orGlass-Steagall

original billed as gift to Enron
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#enron

when chair of CFTC suggested regulating CDS gambling bets, the chair was replaced with #2's wife while he got bill based blocking regulation. The wife then resigns and joins ENRON board and audit committee.

past posts mentioning selling off-book toxic assets at 22cents on the dollar late summer 2008
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008l.html#44 dollar coins
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008l.html#67 dollar coins
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008l.html#70 dollar coins
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#26 Fraud due to stupid failure to test for negative
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#95 Blinkylights
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#24 Blinkylights
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008q.html#11 Blinkenlights
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008r.html#10 Blinkylights
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#29 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#55 Who will give Citigroup the KNOCKOUT blow?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#65 is it possible that ALL banks will be nationalized?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#67 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#0 PNC Financial to pay CEO $3 million stock bonus
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#23 Should FDIC or the Federal Reserve Bank have the authority to shut down and take over non-bank financial institutions like AIG?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#50 TARP Bailout to Cost Less Than Once Anticipated
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#17 What banking is. (Essential for predicting the end of finance as we know it.)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#63 TCM's Moguls documentary series
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#58 Programmer Charged with thieft (maybe off topic)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#50 What do you think about fraud prevention in the governments?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#84 The Imaginot Line
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#27 The Zippo Lighter theory of the financial crisis (or, who do we want to blame?)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#42 Productivity And Bubbles
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#45 Productivity And Bubbles
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#56 Productivity And Bubbles
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#46 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#41 On Protectionism
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011g.html#71 Pressing Obama, House Bars Rise for Debt Ceiling
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011h.html#7 Home prices may drop another 25%, Shiller predicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011h.html#29 Obama: "We don't have enough engineers"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#39 Advice from Richard P. Feynman
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#44 S&P Downgrades USA; Time to Downgrade S&P?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#45 S&P's History of Relentless Political Advocacy
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#50 How Many Divisions Does Standard and Poors Have?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#4 Geithner, Bernanke have little in arsenal to fight new crisis
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#25 Wall Street Aristocracy Got $1.2 Trillion in Fed's Secret Loans
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#56 50th anniversary of BASIC, COBOL?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#59 50th anniversary of BASIC, COBOL?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#81 How Joe and Mary Six Pack Saved Wall Street, London, Frankfurt and Big Corporates in the USA and Europe
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#67 computer bootlaces
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#73 computer bootlaces
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011n.html#38 The Mark to Market Fantasy Fraud
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011n.html#41 The men who crashed the world
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011n.html#57 The Mortgage Crisis---Some Inside Views
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011n.html#82 The men who crashed the world
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011o.html#37 Civilization, doomed?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011o.html#52 Civilization, doomed?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011o.html#74 The Wall Street Pentagon Papers: Biggest Scam In World History Exposed: Are The Federal Reserve's Crimes Too Big To Comprehend?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011o.html#77 How Pursuit of Profits Kills Innovation and the U.S. Economy
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011p.html#70 No One Telling Who Took $586B in Fed Swaps
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012c.html#32 US real-estate has lost $7T in value
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012c.html#45 Fannie, Freddie Charge Taxpayers For Legal Bills
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012c.html#46 PC industry is heading for more change
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012e.html#40 Who Increased the Debt?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012e.html#42 Who Increased the Debt?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012g.html#28 REPEAL OF GLASS-STEAGALL DID NOT CAUSE THE FINANCIAL CRISIS - WHAT DO YOU THINK?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012g.html#70 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#14 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012j.html#28 Why Asian companies struggle to manage global workers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012j.html#65 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012k.html#75 What's the bigger risk, retiring too soon, or too late?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#64 Singer Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012m.html#50 General Mills computer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012n.html#6 General Mills computer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012n.html#12 Why Auditors Fail To Detect Frauds?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#73 These Two Charts Show How The Priorities Of US Companies Have Gotten Screwed Up
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012p.html#35 Search Google, 1960:s-style
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#51 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#38 Adair Turner: A New Debt-Free Money Advocate
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#46 Bankers Who Made Millions In Housing Boom Misled Investors: Study
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#47 More Whistleblower Leaks on Foreclosure Settlement Show Both Suppression of Evidence and Gross Incompetence
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#54 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#66 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#64 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#67 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#23 What Makes bank regulation and insurance Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#3 Lending is still lagging according to Reuters. Why do you think that is?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013n.html#87 Logics of Transformation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013o.html#48 Citigroup is the Real Reason We Need the Volcker Rule
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014.html#98 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014b.html#0 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014b.html#22 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014b.html#24 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014f.html#0 Before the Internet: The golden age of online services
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014f.html#60 GAO and Wall Street Journal Whitewash Huge Criminal Bank Frauds
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014i.html#14 Instead of focusing on big fines, law enforcement should seek long prison terms for the responsible executives
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014k.html#66 LA Times commentary: roll out "smart" credit cards to deter fraud
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014l.html#89 Forbes perspective on IBM's troubles
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#8 weird apple trivia
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#11 weird apple trivia
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#126 Wall Street's Revenge
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#131 Memo To WSJ: The CRomnibus Abomination Was Not "A Rare Bipartisan Success"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015.html#17 Cromnibus cartoon
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#31 What were the complaints of binary code programmers that not accept Assembly?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015d.html#28 Bernie Sanders Proposes A Bill To Break Up The 'Too Big To Exist' Banks
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015d.html#69 Western Union envisioned internet functionality
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015d.html#76 Greedy Banks Nailed With $5 BILLION+ Fine For Fraud And Corruption
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015e.html#93 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#16 Interactive Data Corp taps banks for sale or IPO -sources
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#20 After 6 Years Of QE, And A $4.5 Trillion Balance Sheet, St. Louis Fed
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#25 After 6 Years Of QE, And A $4.5 Trillion Balance Sheet, St. Louis Fed
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#49 seveneves
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#65 Michael Hudson's New Book: Wall Street Parasites Have Devoured Their Hosts -- Your Retirement Plan and the U.S. Economy
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#70 AIG freezes defined-benefit pension plan
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#25 Hillary Clinton's Glass-Steagall
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#95 Thanks Obama
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#28 Qbasic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#42 Nobody saw the economic mess coming last decade
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#58 Wall Street strikes back against Bernie Sanders
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#86 Wells Fargo "Admits Deceiving" U.S. Government, Pays Record $1.2 Billion Settlement
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#0 Why Is the Obama Administration Trying to Keep 11,000 Documents Sealed?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#19 Banking; The Book That Will Save Banking From Itself
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#98 Trust in Government Is Collapsing Around the World
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016e.html#89 E.R. Burroughs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#0 IBM is Absolutely Down For The Count
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#8 "Too big to fail" was Malicious Cyber Activity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#31 Milton Friedman's Cherished Theory Is Laid to Rest
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#33 Moody's Agrees to Settle Financial Crisis-Era Claims for $864 Million
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#92 Trump's Rollback of the Neoliberal Market State
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#96 Trump, Wall Street and the "banking caucus" ready to rip apart Dodd-Frank
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#6 OT: Trump Moves to Roll Back Obama-Era Financial Regulations
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#43 when to get out???
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#52 when to get out???
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#90 Economist, Harry Dent Hints: Global Banks Facing a Serious Crisis in Months Ahead
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#38 [CM] What was your first home computer?

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The Mainframe vs. the Server Farm: A Comparison

From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Subject: Re: The Mainframe vs. the Server Farm: A Comparison
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Date: 20 May 2017 16:37:10 -0700
mike.a.schwab@GMAIL.COM (Mike Schwab) writes:
S/370 operating systems and Linux on System Z can be run on Hercules on a small PC.

max z196 config with 80 processors was rated at 50BIPS and went for $30M. Last published peak I/O benchmark was for z196 with 104 FICONs (running over 104 fibre channel) getting 2M IOPS.

same z196 time-frame e5-2600v1 was 400-550BIPS (depending on model) ... about 10 times max z196. Also in same time frame, native fibre channel was announced for e5-2600 claiming over million IOPS (for single fibre channel, two such fibre channel with more thruput than 104 FICON, FICON is heavy duty prototol running over fibre channel that drastically reduces native throughput).

current max configured z13 is still around $30M and 100BIPS ... compared to e5-2600v4 around 1500BIPS (1.5TIPS, more than 10 times z13, not strictly "small").

Before IBM got out of server business it had base list price for e5-2600 as $1815 (a little over $3/BIPS, compared to z13 now around $300,000/BIPS). IBM also had a high-density rack holding something like 64 blades ... would now be possibly 100,000BIPS in single rack.

Large cloud operations claim they assemble their own blades for 1/3rd the price of brand named blades ... around $1/BIPS ... possibly contributing to IBM selling off its server business.

typical cloud megadatacenter "server farm" will have several hundred thousand blades.

recent posts mentioning e5-2600/mainframe comparisons
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#1 GREAT presentation on the history of the mainframe
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#57 What are mainframes
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#58 Paging subsystems in the era of bigass memory
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#88 Paging subsystems in the era of bigass memory
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#10 WD ships 'world's largest' 12TB HGST Ultrastar He12 Helium 7200 RPM Enterprise HDDs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#94 Migration off Mainframe to other platform

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 09:48:02 -0700
Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> writes:
That works so long as the parties are subject to the same law, and to adjudication and enforcement by a third body. Not so well when the parties can say "oh, we're special, that doesn't apply to us." Or perhaps when productivity has steadily increased, but the wealth generated is pocketed by a few.

A set of history lectures from the 1880s,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fiske_(philosopher)

pointed out that the equality in the "Bill of Rights" was result of scottish immigrants from the mid-atlantic states, if the english immigrants from new england and new york had prevailed, we would have had much different government. This also shows up in biographies contrasting Jefferson and Hamilton.

Why Nations Fail ... has frequent "inequality" examples
http://www.amazon.com/Why-Nations-Fail-Prosperity-ebook/dp/B0058Z4NR8

The English original setup for Jamestown was to emulate the Spanish in the new world, enslave the local population. However, the natives in the North America and Jamestown area didn't take to be enslaved and Jamestown almost starved. Then a different composition was sent over, effectively "slaves" from the British Islands "leet-men", pg27:
The clauses of the Fundamental Constitutions laid out a rigid social structure. At the bottom were the "leet-men," with clause 23 noting, "All the children of leet-men shall be leet-men, and so to all generations."
... snip ...

a lot more extracts/quotes in these recent posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#12 Separation church and state
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#32 Star Trek (was Re: TV show Mannix observations)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#55 Comanche Empire

inequality posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#inequality

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The Mainframe vs. the Server Farm: A Comparison

From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Subject: Re: The Mainframe vs. the Server Farm: A Comparison
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Date: 21 May 2017 10:30:21 -0700
dcrayford@GMAIL.COM (David Crayford) writes:
It's a risky business migrating large systems and many have failed. I know of one bank that spent $350M trying and they failed miserably. There are just so many complexities and it's just too hard for most. I heard an amusing analogy that it's like trying to replace an engine on a jumbo jet mid-flight. And the quality of service and RAS on mainframes is still unmatched. HP are marketing converged systems and claiming 99.999 availability which for many enterprise is more then enough.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#97 IBM revenue has fallen for 20 quarters -- but it used to run its business very differently
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#94 Migration off Mainframe to other platform
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#9 The Mainframe vs. the Server Farm: A Comparison

the initial wave was in the late 80s & early 90s, sort of the low-hanging fruit ... and as a result the company goes into the red. The company was being reorganized into the 13 "baby blues" in preparation for breaking up the company. The board then brings in a new CEO to reverse the breakup and resurrect the company.

In the mid-80s, the top IBM executives were predicting the world-wide revenue would shortly double, mostly based on mainframe revenue and there was big internal bldg program to double mainframe hardware manufacturing capacity. There was also huge uptik in "fast track" MBAs being rotated through mid-level executive positions (apparently getting ready for doubling the workforce).

Late 80s, senior disk engineer got a talk scheduled at internal, annual world-wide communication group conference, supposedly on 3174 performance, but opened the talk that the communication group was going to be responsible for the demise of the disk division. The issue was the communication group was fighting off client/server and distributed computing trying to preserve their (emulated) dumb terminal paradigm and install base. The disk division was seeing data fleeing the mainframe datacenters to more distributed computing friendly platforms with drop in disk sales. The disk division had come up with a number of solutions, but they were constantly being vetoed by the communication group.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#terminal

One of the major mainframe strongholds was the financial industry. In the 90s they spent billions of dollars to convert legacy financial transactions that did settlement in overnight batch window. They were under increasing pressure from globalization that was cutting the size of the window and increasing the work that needed to be done. They were going to convert to straight-through processing using parallelization on large numbers of "killer micros". However, they were using some industry parallelization libraries that had 100 times the overhead of batch cobol. When this was pointed out (including by me), they just ignored the input. It wasn't until they started deploying large scale pilots that they could see that the overhead increase totally swamped any throughput increase they anticipated from large numbers of killer micros ... with things going down in spectacular flames. The industry retrenches to safety of the running legacy mainframe systems.

The dependency of financial industry on legacy mainframes may have played a major role in bringing in new CEO to resurrect the company. The new CEO had been president of AMEX ... and about the same time that new CEO was resurrecting IBM, AMEX spun off a major part of its mainframe dataprocessing in the largest IPO up until that time. The unit was continuously rolling over something like $1.5B in mainframe hardware, no mainframe older than 18months ... by itself accounting for significant percentage of IBM annual mainframe hardware revenue.

For ten years up through z196, IBM financials for mainframe sales showed about the equivalent of around 100-150/yr max. configured mainframes. This was around 5% of revenue ... but the whole mainframe group (including software) accounted for 25% of revenue and 40% of profit (mainframe software & services is major cash cow). Since then hardware sales seems to have dropped to about half that (but the overall mainframe group still accounts for significant profit).

some recent posts mentioning straight-through processing effort:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014.html#3 We need to talk about TED
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014c.html#22 US Federal Reserve pushes ahead with Faster Payments planning
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014c.html#90 Why do bank IT systems keep failing ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014e.html#10 Can the mainframe remain relevant in the cloud and mobile era?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014f.html#69 Is end of mainframe near ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014f.html#78 Over in the Mainframe Experts Network LinkedIn group
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#71 Decimation of the valuation of IBM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#119 Holy Grail for parallel programming language
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015.html#78 Is there an Inventory of the Inalled Mainframe Systems Worldwide
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#2 More "ageing mainframe" (bad) press
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#25 1976 vs. 2016?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#48 Windows 10 forceful update?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#84 The mainframe is dead. Long live the mainframe!
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016g.html#23 How to Fix IBM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#72 Why Can't You Buy z Mainframe Services from Amazon Cloud Services?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#82 The ICL 2900
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#63 The ICL 2900
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#39 The Pentagon still uses computer software from 1958 to manage its contracts

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 11:01:19 -0700
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
Fortunately, the birth control pill was invented, or there might be a problem with people managing to do this.

Freakonomics has US (fed/state/local) governments preparing for huge uptic in criminal activity in the 90s ... which fell rather than increased. Freakonomics analysis claimed that major criminal activity was by young people that had been unwanted children. Major increase in birth control & abortions significantly reduced young people that had been unwanted children.

later the significant increase in for-profit prisons were looking for large numbers of non-violent young people ... their incarceration costs were lower than avg. prison population ... and were more easily used for free labor (cases were found of for-profit prisons providing judges with kick-backs for sentencing non-violent young offenders and "lobbying" state legislatures for increasing prison sentences for non-violent activity).

freakonomics references
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007h.html#55 ANN: Microsoft goes Open Source
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#53 What do you think about fraud prevention in the governments?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#88 NASA proves once again that, for it, the impossible is not even difficult
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#30 The first personal computer (PC)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012e.html#57 speculation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#57 a clock in it, was Re: Interesting News Article
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012k.html#12 The Secret Consensus Among Economists
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#46 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015e.html#74 prices, was Western Union envisioned internet functionality
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#27 OT: efforts to repeal strict public safety laws
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#3 E.R. Burroughs

past posts mentioning for-profit prisons and/or prison-industrial complex
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#37 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#52 What Makes a substance Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#61 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#82 copyright protection/Doug Englebart
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014c.html#9 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014c.html#10 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014c.html#25 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014i.html#27 How Comp-Sci went from passing fad to must have major
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014j.html#81 No Internet. No Microsoft Windows. No iPods. This Is What Tech Was Like In 1984
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015e.html#85 prices, was Western Union envisioned internet functionality
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#27 OT: efforts to repeal strict public safety laws
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#4 Decimal point character and billions
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#70 Qbasic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#39 Qbasic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#89 Qbasic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#4 E.R. Burroughs

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Pascal Source for APL Interpreter--Want Info

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: Pascal Source for APL Interpreter--Want Info
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 13:12:09 -0700
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
Sounds like you need a "lint" for Pascal. Goog turned up ambiguous results, but it sounds like there isn't one. Might be a good project for some Pascal enthusiast.

there is Stanford Pascal project ... referenced
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#24 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#53 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#54 [CM] What was your first home computer?

STANFORD PASCAL VERIFIER USER MANUAL (from Mar1979)
http://i.stanford.edu/pub/cstr/reports/cs/tr/79/731/CS-TR-79-731.pdf

New Stanford Pascal Compiler
https://www.facebook.com/StanfordPascal/
Stanford Pascal Compiler
http://wiki.freepascal.org/Stanford_Pascal_Compiler
Targets of the Stanford Pascal Compiler were IBM mainframes (including IBM 360 and 370 series) and LSI-11 (PDP-11).

A modern version of the Stanford Pascal Compiler is maintained by Bernd Oppolzer. This version targets VM/370 on the Hercules emulator, and the programs will probably run on today's z/VM and z/OS (aka MVS), too. And it was ported to Windows, Linux and OS/2 in 2016. Pascal programs (and the compiler itself) can run there with the help of the P-Code interpreter PCINT (written in ANSI-C).

... snip ...

web search "pascal checker" turns up other results

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Fast OODA-Loops increase Maneuverability

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Fast OODA-Loops increase Maneuverability
Date: 22 May 2017
Blog: Facebook
Fast OODA-Loops increase Maneuverability
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A6271208777496748032/

also:
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A6270634737732325376/
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A6271448160648986624/
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A6271375156153843712/

in briefings, Boyd would emphasize that all parts of OODA-loop went on simultaneously ... not purely serial operations. Also necessary to observe from every possible facet (as countermeasure to orientation bias).

I ran into Boyd in the early 80s and use to sponsor his briefings at IBM. The 1st time I tried to sponsor his briefings, it was just Patterns of Conflicts and I tried to do it through employee education. At first they agreed, but then as I supplied more information ... they changed their mind. They said that IBM spend lots of money on training managers on how to handle employees, and exposing general employees to Boyd would be counter productive. They suggested that I restrict the audience to senior members of competitive analysis departments. I held it for large audience in research auditorium (old bldg 28 on San Jose plant site). The next time, he also tried out early version of Organic Design for Command and Control ... both at one time made for a long day.

Boyd would include in briefings that former military officers, steeped in rigid, top-down, command&control was starting to contaminating US corporate cultures (only those at the very top knew what they were doing). However in the early 80s, articles were starting to appear that MBAs were destroying US businesses with their myopic focus on quarterly numbers.

Boyd would complain that when engineers initially added "heads-up" to F16 that it was just scrolling digital numbers. Rather than helping pilots, it was distracting since it took enormous cognitive effort to convert the scrolling digital numbers to meaning.

...

Boyd was considered possibly the best fighter pilot in the world when he was instructor at USAF weapons school ... and wrote the fighter pilot training manual that became used by nearly every air force in the world (including adversaries). However, when he was working on F16 design, other factions of USAF tried to get him thrown in Leavenworth for the rest of his life on trumped up charges. By the time he passes, he had been disowned by the USAF and it was the Marines that were at Arlington. What is somewhat surprising is after he passes, USAF commemorates Boyd Hall at USAF weapons school.

Boyd had redone the original F15 design, including cutting the weight in half. However, when he started on the F16 design, other factions wanted him stopped. They claimed that he wasn't authorized to do the F16 design and so the millions of dollars in supercomputer time was theft of gov. property ... however, the investigation wasn't able to find any record of the computer time.

One of things mentioned at some recent Boyd conferences is Kahneman's "Thinking Fast and Slow" ... which is somewhat related to implicit/explicit. Boyd would frequently mention fingerspitzengefuhl ... aka "finger feel", an intuition touch metaphor. There is also Coup d'oeil, an intuition observe metaphor.

also:
There are two career paths in front of you, and you have to choose which path you will follow. One path leads to promotions, titles, and positions of distinction.... The other path leads to doing things that are truly significant for the Air Force, but the rewards will quite often be a kick in the stomach because you may have to cross swords with the party line on occasion. You can't go down both paths, you have to choose. Do you want to be a man of distinction or do you want to do things that really influence the shape of the Air Force? To be or to do, that is the question. Colonel John R. Boyd, USAF 1927-1997

From the dedication of Boyd Hall, United States Air Force Weapons School, Nellis Air Force Base, Nevada. 17 September 1999

... snip ...

Burton was in the 1st USAF academy class on fast track to general when Boyd challenged him to do what is right and destroyed his career. He wrote a book about it, Pentagon Wars (HBO made into movie)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon_Wars
Another Boyd acolyte was responsiple for A10
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Sprey
and another is Chuck Spinney
http://chuckspinney.blogspot.com/

Boyd is credited with battle plan for Desert Storm land war was only the last 100hrs (of 43days). GAO air power effectiveness study has A10 so effective destroying tanks that Iraqis were walking away as sitting ducks. There was million A10 30mm shells used in Desert Storm, Burton has account of getting them down from nearly $100 to $13 ... or $13M (way too cost effective for the military-industrial complex). The ferocious tank battles with coalition forces taking no damage, doesn't mention if Iraqi tanks had anybody home. There are lots of excuses why Boyd's "left hook" didn't succeed. One may be that the Abrams specs don't usually include how tightly tethered they are to supply & maintenance.

in briefings, Boyd would complain about the initial heads-up displays engineers added to F16 that was just scrolling digital numbers. He said that it took significant cognitive effort to convert the scrolling digital numbers to meaning ... and distracted from what they were suppose to do ... rather than help.

...

about the same time I first started sponsoring Boyd's briefings there was analogous online discussion in the early 80s about analog watches provide more information than digital; not only current time but provided spatial representation about how long to something and how long since something.

recent item, Language shapes how the brain perceives time
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2017-05/lu-lsh050217.php

In dataprocessing there are periodic discussions about computer language literacy analogous to natural language literacy ... especially when there are computer concepts that have no direct natural language equivalents. trivia: I was blamed for online computer conferencing (precursor to social networking) on the internal network (larger than arpanet/internet from just about beginning until sometime mid-80s) in the late 70s and early 80s (folklore is that when corporate executive committee was told about it, 5of6 wanted to fire me). Somewhat as result, a researcher was assigned for nine months to study how I communicate, sat in my office and took notes, got logs of all my instant messages, copies of all my incoming/outgoing email, etc. Results were research reports, talks, books, and Stanford Phd (joint between language and computer AI). One of the observations was my use of English is like non-native speaker ... but I have no other natural language.

...

Boyd is known for saying people, ideas, technology ... in that order ... usually in situations where technology is misused. Slightly related is he would talk about doing audits of periodic large-scale wargames. He characterized the generals and admirals playing golf all year while their staffs practiced. When it came time for wargames the generals&admirals had no "finger feel" for information flow in the war rooms. Some numbers of studies emphasized information overload to obfuscate the real problem.

... free kindle book from 1846 ... has lots & lots of minutia ... almost OODA-loop, see/decide/act

Elements of Military Art and Science Or, Course Of Instruction In Strategy, Fortification, Tactics Of Battles, &C.; Embracing The Duties Of Staff, Infantry (Henry Wager Halleck)
http://www.amazon.com/Elements-Instruction-Fortification-Embracing-ebook/dp/B002RKSO9K

loc5019-20:
A rapid coup d'oeil prompt decision, active movements, are as indispensable as sound judgment; for the general must see, and decide, and act, all in the same instant.
... snip ...

in briefings, Boyd would focus on US military, rigid, top-down (centralized) command&control for WW2 (deploy millions of soldiers with little or no training, leverage few experienced officers), requiring 11% officers (growing to 20%) compared to German's culture requiring only 3% officers. He highlighted (EBFAS):
Einheit is mutual trust, oneness, unity, cohesion, similar implicit orientation.
Behendigkeit is mental agility, the ability to see and break out of deep patterns or ruts in thinking. Boyd called this process 'building snowmobiles' or creativity under fire. Or improvisation under fire.
Fingerspitzengefuhl is a 'finger tip feel' for the battle field or market or organization. It is a sense of health of the organization, intuitive competence, know yourself/know your enemy.
Auftragstaktik is mission command or mission orders. It is a contract between leaders and subordinates. The German's now call it fuhren mit auftrag or leading by mission. The why is emphasized and not the how. It is also referred to as commander's intent. It is decentralized command concept.
Schwerpunkt is focus and direction, goal, strategic objective, destination, vision. It is the 'hard point' or 'difficult point'. In German, it is the center of gravity. It is an unmoving target that everyone is working towards.

... snip ...

As an example of Auftragstaktik he used Guderian's Verbal Orders Only in the Blitzgrieg, encouraging person on the spot to make their own decisions (and not have to be concerned about monday afternoon quarterbacks).

He would then observe that former military officers, steeped in rigid, top-down, command&control were starting to contaminate US corporate culture.

Note in myers-briggs, they characterize possibly a majority of the population as strictly "how" people, once learned that is how they live their life ... as opposed to much smaller percentage of the population as "why" people ... and when circumstances change ... they comprehend that the "how" needs to change also.

...

In the 60s as undergraduate I was computer geek, univ. even hired me fulltime to be responsible for production mainframe systems. I would rewrite a lot of mainframe software, that IBM would pickup and ship in their products. One of the things I did as undergraduate was dynamic adaptive resource management, which included added extensive instrumentation (observation) as part of analysing (orientation) what was going on, and then reordering work queues for execution (decide and act). It also included doing some things in "zero instructions" by careful ordering of other operations so things would happen implicitly as side-effect of other things. IBM would also make suggestions about things to do, I didn't learn about these guys until much later, but in retrospect some of the IBM suggestions may have originated with them ... gone 404, but lives on at wayback machine
http://web.archive.org/web/20090117083033/http://www.nsa.gov/research/selinux/list-archive/0409/8362.shtml

When I ran into Boyd (and OODA-loops) in the early 80s, I felt quite a bit of affinity.

Note a downside of implicit was that nobody else understood why things worked ... and it could become a maintenance nightmare. A decade later, somebody else innocently tweaking a sequence of code and all of a sudden all sorts of things stop working.

Implicit can be macro/hollistic while explicit can be step-by-step, sequential. Example is story told by Intel SVP last decade, M'soft CEO was demanding Intel go back to faster single processor (rather than multi-core) because parallel programming is "too hard" & Intel telling him that isn't the way it is. Holy Grail is for new programming language that handles parallel paradigm rather strictly sequential step-by-step. This can contribute to perceving Boyd's OODA-loop as simple step-by-step sequential, rather than simultaneous, concurrent (large overlap with recent articles about natural language affects how world is perceived).

I was involved in the original SQL/Relational RDBMS implementation (System/R) which did some optimization for table organization to improve performance of financial transactions (affects world view like explicit slots and name goes into different slots). I then was dragged into doing different kind of relational implementation that directly created relationships in any order. Organization that be represented with each name appearing once ... and having large number of relations (any-to-any). We did some work with NIH/NLM UMLS (medical knowledge) which has concurrent table, hierarchical as well as any-to-any mesh organizations, which had taken a large organization a number of years to partially force-fit into RDBMS (tables). By comparison, it took me a couple weeks to load into this other kind of relational.

Boyd/OODA posts & URLs from around web:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subboyd.html
military-industrial(-congressional) complex
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex
system/r posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#systemr

EBFAS posts:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014h.html#52 EBFAS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014h.html#61 Are you tired of the negative comments about IBM in this community?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014h.html#79 EBFAS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015.html#21 IBM ushers in BIGGEST EVER re-org for the cloud era, say insiders
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015.html#80 Here's how a retired submarine captain would save IBM

verbal orders only posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#120 atomic History
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001.html#29 Review of Steve McConnell's AFTER THE GOLD RUSH
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002d.html#36 Mainframers: Take back the light (spotlight, that is)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002d.html#38 Mainframers: Take back the light (spotlight, that is)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002q.html#33 Star Trek: TNG reference
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003h.html#51 employee motivation & executive compensation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003p.html#27 The BASIC Variations
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004k.html#24 Timeless Classics of Software Engineering
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004q.html#86 Organizations with two or more Managers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006f.html#14 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#9 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006q.html#41 was change headers: The Fate of VM - was: Re: Baby MVS???
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#37 Special characters in passwords was Re: RACF - Password rules
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007c.html#25 Special characters in passwords was Re: RACF - Password rules
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008h.html#8a Using Military Philosophy to Drive High Value Sales
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008h.html#61 Up, Up, ... and Gone?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008h.html#63 how can a hierarchical mindset really ficilitate inclusive and empowered organization
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008o.html#69 Blinkenlights
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#73 Most 'leaders' do not 'lead' and the majority of 'managers' do not 'manage'. Why is this?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#34 Mission Control & Air Cooperation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#43 Boyd's Briefings
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010i.html#68 Favourite computer history books?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#7 Innovation and iconoclasm
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#3 Preparing for Boyd II
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#52 An elusive command philosophy and a different command culture
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012.html#45 You may ask yourself, well, how did I get here?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012b.html#26 Strategy subsumes culture
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012c.html#51 How would you succinctly desribe maneuver warfare?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012f.html#2 Did they apply Boyd's concepts?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012g.html#84 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#63 Is this Boyd's fundamental postulate, 'to improve our capacity for independent action'?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#50 Is there a connection between your strategic and tactical assertions?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012k.html#7 Is there a connection between your strategic and tactical assertions?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#10 The Knowledge Economy Two Classes of Workers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#81 How Criticizing in Private Undermines Your Team - Harvard Business Review
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#48 John Boyd's Art of War
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014.html#16 Command Culture
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014f.html#46 The Pentagon Wars
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015.html#80 Here's how a retired submarine captain would save IBM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015d.html#19 Where to Flatten the Officer Corps
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#18 What Would Be Your Ultimate Computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#28 Manazir: Networked Systems Are The Future Of 5th-Generation Warfare, Training
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016g.html#13 Rogue sysadmins the target of Microsoft's new 'Shielded VM' security --
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Conservatives and Spending

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Conservatives and Spending
Date: 22 May 2017
Blog: Facebook
Conservatives and Spending

The "conservatives" were responsible for the fiscal responsibility act (spending can't exceed tax revenue, on its way to eliminating all federal debt) in the 90s. Then in 2002 ... the same "party" lets the fiscal responsibility act lapse. 2010 CBO report that 2003-2009, tax revenue was cut by $6T and spending increased by $6T for $12T gap compared to the fiscal responsibility act (also 1st time taxes were reduced to not pay for two wars). Since then taxes haven't been restored and only modest spending cuts .... so debt continues to increase.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#fiscal.responsibility.act

VP and former CIA director repeatedly claims no knowledge of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair
because he was fulltime administration point person deregulating financial industry ... creating S&L crisis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savings_and_loan_crisis
along with other members of his family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savings_and_loan_crisis#Silverado_Savings_and_Loan
and another
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE0D81E3BF937A25753C1A966958260

S&L crisis
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#s&l.crisis

another family member then (also) presides over the economic mess last decade, 70 times larger than the S&L crisis. S&L crisis had 1000 criminal convictions with jailtime, proportionally the economic mess should have 70,000.

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Conservatives and Spending

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Conservatives and Spending
Date: 22 May 2017
Blog: Facebook
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#15 Conservatives and Spending

How Much Does a Politician Cost? A Groundbreaking Study Reveals the Influence of Money in Politics.
https://theintercept.com/2017/05/04/how-much-does-a-politician-cost-a-groundbreaking-study-reveals-the-influence-of-money-in-politics/

Milton Friedman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman
Friedman promoted an alternative macroeconomic viewpoint known as "monetarism", and argued that a steady, small expansion of the money supply was the preferred policy.[12] His ideas concerning monetary policy, taxation, privatization and deregulation influenced government policies, especially during the 1980s.
... snip ...

Milton Friedman's Cherished Theory Is Laid to Rest
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-01-12/milton-friedman-s-cherished-theory-is-laid-to-rest
Even now, when economic models have become far more complex than anything in Friedman's time, economists still go back to Friedman's theory as a mental touchstone -- a fundamental intuition that guides the way they make their models. My first macroeconomics professor believed in it deeply and instinctively, and would even bring it up in department seminars.
... snip ..

The Champions of the 401(k) Lament the Revolution They Started
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-champions-of-the-401-k-lament-the-revolution-they-started-1483382348?mod=e2fb
Economists and the Powerful: Convenient Theories, Distorted Facts, Ample Rewards
http://www.amazon.com/Economists-Powerful-Convenient-Distorted-ebook/dp/B009K44OW2

loc1200-1206:
There are plenty of examples from other countries to copy: the US individual retirement account system is based on the Chilean pension reform of 1980/81 that in turn was based heavily on proposals made in the book Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman. In response to the Chilean system facing a likely collapse in a few decades time, it was substantially overhauled in 2008 to require mandatory participation of all citizens in exchange for universal pension coverage.
... snip ...

"The Undoing Project" goes into some detail how Kahneman and Tversky disproved economists' assumption that people make rational decisions ... loc:1155-59:
He had listened to an American economist talk about how so-and-so was stupid and so-and-so was a fool, then said, "All your economic models are premised on people being smart and rational, and yet all the people you know are idiots."
... snip ...

Kahneman (a psychologist) gets Nobel prize in economics, in part for debunking some cherished economic theories

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5 Naval Battles That Changed History Forever

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: 5 Naval Battles That Changed History Forever
Date: 22 May 2017
Blog: Facebook
5 Naval Battles That Changed History Forever
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/5-naval-battles-changed-history-forever-20780

Roosevelt justified (europe first) that Germany could win WW2 w/o Japan, however, Japan wasn't capable of winning WW2 w/o Germany. Germany had 3/4s of military resources against Russia (and Japan had 2/3rds of its military resources against China). Recent claim was that Japan didn't surrender because of the a-bomb, but because Russia was about to enter the conflict.

With defeat of Germany, Russia was free to move forces to the far east. Defeating Japan first would have had little impact on the european war. However, Roosevelt complained that Churchill kept delaying invasion of France (wanting to let Germany and Russia to continue slugging it out until both were totally exhausted, which would have given Britain free reign in Europe). However, Roosevelt said that would have prolonged the war until 1947, something the American public wouldn't have stood for.

and the anti-submarine warfare: Lessons Not Learned: The U.S. Navy's Status Quo Culture;
https://www.amazon.com/Lessons-Not-Learned-Status-Culture-ebook/dp/B00DKMWP2Q/

loc1289-90:
fact is frequently played down in the United States that the British and Canadians, in fact, conducted most of the ASW operations in the Atlantic.

loc1293-95:
Canada started the war with a navy of only eleven ships, five of which were minesweepers, and just 1,800 men in the regular Navy, but by the end had accounted for the destruction or capture of nearly fifty German submarines. The U.S. Navy began the war with over 337,000 personnel and more than 300 ships.

loc1303-4:
Despite this "less than overwhelming" performance, the U.S. Navy did not seem to have a clue that the Canadians and British were far more significant players in the Battle of the Atlantic.

loc1317-18:
Not surprisingly, much of what the American public was told about U.S. Navy ASW performance in the Atlantic was outright fabrication, said Regan.

loc1321-22:
Basically, the Navy department began issuing lies. They claimed twenty-eight U-boats had been sunk off the east coast whereas the correct figure was nil.

loc1322-24:
Regan summarized that "the Navy PR officers were not so easily defeated as their anti-submarine operation," 76 in what amounted to a vast spin campaign to protect negligent senior admirals from public disgrace and possible dismissal.
... snip ...

military-industrial(-congressional) complex
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex

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5 Naval Battles That Changed History Forever

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: 5 Naval Battles That Changed History Forever
Date: 23 May 2017
Blog: Facebook
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#17 5 Naval Battles That Changed History Forever

from "General of the Army: George C. Marshall, Soldier and Statesman"
https://www.amazon.com/General-Army-Marshall-Soldier-Statesman-ebook/dp/B009D1ED3M/

pg372/7836-39:
"We are now at the crossroads—if we were committed to the Mediterranean, except for air alone, it meant a prolonged struggle and one which was not acceptable to the United States. "This was "playing hardball," as the politicians on the Hill termed it; Marshall's threat to turn to the Pacific was deliberately implied and surely inferred.

pg373/7844-45:
The Americans had no intention of waiting until 1945 to invade France. Such a timetable suggested the war in the Pacific raging into 1947 or 1948, far too long for public opinion to sustain.

also pg340/loc7228-31:
Never far from mind in the Pentagon lurked the fear that delay in the Mediterranean furthered Imperial Britain's political aims: the longer Soviet Russia fought Germany alone, the weaker both nations would be, allowing "the British to enjoy their historic role of arbiter in the balance of power within continental Europe," as the head of the Strategy and Policy Group of the Operations Division, Albert Wedemeyer, argued.
... snip ...

some of this also shows up in "Churchill's Secret War: The British Empire and the Ravaging of India during World War II"
https://www.amazon.com/Churchills-Secret-War-British-Ravaging-ebook/dp/B003VTZXC2/
and "The Battle of Bretton Wood: John Maynard Keynews, Harry Dexter White, and the Making of a New World Order"
https://www.amazon.com/Battle-Bretton-Woods-Relations-University-ebook/dp/B00B5ZQ72Y/

trivia from "Bretton Wood" book, White was under the influence of Soviets, Stalin worried that Japan would attack while he was dealing with Germany, sent White draft of demands for US to present to Japan, which would motivate Japan to attack US
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull_note#Interpretations

other trivia from "The Brothers: John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles, and Their Secret World War"
https://www.amazon.com/Brothers-Foster-Dulles-Allen-Secret-ebook/dp/B00BY5QX1K/

John Foster Dulles played major role in rebuilding German industry and military in 20s&30s. From law of unintended consequences, when 1943 US Strategic Bombing program needed location of German industry and military targets, they got the coordinates from wallstreet. After the war, he made some justification that he was building up Germany as a countermeasure to the Soviets.

past refs to Churchill's Secret War
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015e.html#62 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#89 "I used a real computer at home...and so will you" (Popular Science May 1967)

past refs to "The Battle of Bretton Woods" &/or "Hull Note"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#45 The Battle of Bretton Woods: John Maynard Keynes, Harry Dexter White, and the Making of a New World Order
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#51 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#54 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#55 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#70 God No, the U.S. Air Force Doesn't Need Another Curtis LeMay
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015d.html#13 Fully Restored WWII Fighter Plane Up for Auction
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015d.html#53 Western Union envisioned internet functionality
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#31 I Feel Old
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#39 Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#64 Isolationism and War Profiteering
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#74 Qbasic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#75 Qbasic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#49 Fateful Choices
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#94 The Brothers: John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles, and Their Secret World War
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#80 "I used a real computer at home...and so will you" (Popular Science May 1967)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#90 Economist, Harry Dent Hints: Global Banks Facing a Serious Crisis in Months Ahead
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#91 Godwin's Law should force us to remember & fear our shared heritage with Nazi Germany
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#55 Should America Have Entered World War I?

past refs "John Foster Dulles":
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014c.html#35 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014c.html#36 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015.html#26 channel islands, definitely not the location of LEO
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015.html#62 IBM Data Processing Center and Pi
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#13 Keydriven bit permutations
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#52 IBM Data Processing Center and Pi
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#68 Why do we have wars?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#69 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#71 Why do we have wars?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#78 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#86 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#35 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#45 The Battle of Bretton Woods: John Maynard Keynes, Harry Dexter White, and the Making of a New World Order
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#51 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#70 God No, the U.S. Air Force Doesn't Need Another Curtis LeMay
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015d.html#13 Fully Restored WWII Fighter Plane Up for Auction
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015d.html#37 End of vacuum tubes in computers?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015d.html#53 Western Union envisioned internet functionality
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#29 Eric Holder Returns as Hero to Law Firm That Lobbies for Big Banks
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#36 Eric Holder, Wall Street Double Agent, Comes in From the Cold
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#77 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#7 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#10 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#55 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#0 How Corporate America Invented Christian America; Inside one reverend's big business-backed 1940s crusade to make the country conservative again
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#26 Putin's Great Crime: He Defends His Allies and Attacks His Enemies
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#28 rationality
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#119 For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#31 I Feel Old
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#38 Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#86 Thanks Obama
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#39 Failure as a Way of Life; The logic of lost wars and military-industrial boondoggles
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#49 Corporate malfeasance
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#64 Isolationism and War Profiteering
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#75 Qbasic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#77 Qbasic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#78 Qbasic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#79 Qbasic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#80 Qbasic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#91 Qbasic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#11 Study: Cost of U.S. Regulations Larger Than Germany's Economy
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#49 Fateful Choices
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#88 "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#27 British socialism / anti-trust
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#56 "One Nation Under God: How Corporate America Invented Christian America"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#94 The Brothers: John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles, and Their Secret World War
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016g.html#9 Wall Street Preparing Dodd-Frank Rule Workaround
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016g.html#63 America's Over-Hyped Strategic Bombing Experiment
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#2 Smedley Butler
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#32 "I used a real computer at home...and so will you" (Popular Science May 1967)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#80 "I used a real computer at home...and so will you" (Popular Science May 1967)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#83 "I used a real computer at home...and so will you" (Popular Science May 1967)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#63 One Nation Under God: How Corporate America Invented Christian America
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#54 Mary Jo White Seriously Misled The US Senate To Become SEC Chair
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#64 Jean Tirole's Proposal to Appoint Felons to Monitor CEOs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#36 Trump's S.E.C. Nominee Disclosure Offers Rare Glimpse of Clients and Conflicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#91 Godwin's Law should force us to remember & fear our shared heritage with Nazi Germany
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#38 Imperial Hubris
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#55 Should America Have Entered World War I?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#22 Ironic old "fortune"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#23 Ironic old "fortune"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#60 The Illusion Of Victory: America In World War I
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#69 The knives are out for Trump's national security adviser H.R. McMaster

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 12:52:30 -0700
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
However, the first thing zealots do is ban birth control; it would interfere with their attempts to outnumber their opponents. Even in western society, the doctrine of perpetual growth demands more and more consumers, and rulers want to have more subjects to rule.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#12 [CM] What was your first home computer?

For-profit prisons want large numbers of non-violent youth offenders that they can use for slave labor. seems to go along with increasing inequality
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#inequality

they also have been coming up with new gimmicks for debtors prisons (which are otherwise against the law in the US)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debtors%27_prison
modern debtors prisons (in the US)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debtors%27_prison#Modern_debtors.27_prisons_.281970.E2.80.93current.29
and
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/02/debtors-prison/462378/
https://www.motorists.org/alerts/policing-profit-can-lead-debtors-prisons-nma-e-newsletter-429/
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/36271-these-seven-states-still-operate-debtors-prisons
https://www.aclu.org/feature/ending-modern-day-debtors-prisons

note that china recently have strictly enforced 1child families ... to try and get control over the over population problem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy
It did have unintended side effects, families primarily selected for males ... to they now have a scarcity of females.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy#Disparity_in_sex_ratio_at_birth

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 13:07:57 -0700
mausg writes:
Why does he/she not rent?. One of the reasons that quality house prices _anywhere_ are so hig is the ginormous amount being held offshore by US tech firms, much of which is invested in housing.

part of the issue was after the economic mess, with the explosion in underwater mortgages & foreclosures ... private-equity firms were doing bulk wholesale purchases of homes ... and then gouging rents ... exacerbating the problems

How Wall Street Has Turned Housing Into a Dangerous Get-Rich-Quick Scheme -- Again
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/11/wall-street-buying-foreclosed-homes
Hedge funds and private equity firms have quietly bought 200,000 cheap, mostly foreclosed houses in cities hardest hit by the economic meltdown.
... snip ...

Private-equity fund snaps up foreclosures to turn into rentals
https://www.probuilder.com/private-equity-fund-snaps-foreclosures-turn-rentals
Private Equity Funds Target Foreclosed Homes As Rental Play
http://www.nreionline.com/finance-amp-investment/private-equity-funds-target-foreclosed-homes-rental-play
This Could Get Interesting: Private Equity Is Jumping Into The Distressed Housing Market
http://www.businessinsider.com/this-could-get-interesting-private-equity-is-jumping-into-the-distressed-housing-market-2012-1
Wall Street buyers snap up thousands of local homes for rentals
http://www.seattletimes.com/business/wall-street-buyers-snap-up-thousands-of-local-homes-for-rentals/
Rental Market's Big Buyers
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10000872396390443768804578034821658901916

The Top 5 Real Estate Private Equity Firms in the US
https://fundrise.com/education/blog-posts/deep-pockets-the-top-5-real-estate-private-equity-firms-in-the-us
Since the late 80s, private equity funds have experienced tremendous growth, becoming the dominant capital provider in commercial real estate markets. This growth began following the savings and loan crisis of the late 80s and early 90s, when private equity firms began opportunistic real estate funds.
... snip ...

trivia: industry had gotten such a bad reputation during the S&L crisis, that they changed the industry name to "private equity" (and "junk bonds" became "high yield bonds").
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#s&l.crisis
private equiity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#private.equity

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 16:47:35 -0700
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
How Wall Street Has Turned Housing Into a Dangerous Get-Rich-Quick Scheme -- Again
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/11/wall-street-buying-foreclosed-homes


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#20 [CM] What was your first home computer?

some more

Jared Kushner's Other Real Estate Empire, Baltimore-area renters complain about a property owner they say is neglectful and litigious. Few know their landlord is the president's son-in-law.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/23/magazine/jared-kushners-other-real-estate-empire.html
That June, the company and its equity partners bought 4,681 units of what are known in real estate jargon as "distress-ridden", Class B" apartment complexes" units whose prices fell somewhere in the middle of the market, typically of a certain age and wear, whose owners were in financial difficulty. The properties were spread across 12 sites in Toledo, Ohio; Pittsburgh; and other Rust Belt cities still reeling from the Great Recession.
... snip ...

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[CM] overpriced housing, was What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] overpriced housing, was What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 18:36:54 -0700
John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> writes:
Wow, that is an impressive confusion of numbers. Yes, US companies have a lot of unrepatriated offshore profits. No, it is not invested in housing. It's mostly in short term bonds. If you disagree, find us a few billion dollars of foreign houses owned by Apple.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#4 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#6 [CM] What was your first home computer?

... offshore accounting gimmick to avoid taxes ... with the money possibly not ever even actually leaving the country ... with the aid of various congressional tax loopholes

The myth of Corporate America's offshore cash
http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/10/news/economy/offshore-cash/
Here's why: Foreign subsidiaries of companies often put their unused earnings into U.S. bonds, stocks and bank deposits. That money, in essence, is helping to finance federal and corporate debt and to make bank loans to American businesses.
... snip ...

tax evasion, tax avoidance, tax havens
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#tax.evasion

other

The Biggest Tax Scam Ever; Some of America's top corporations are parking profits overseas and ducking hundreds of billions in taxes. And how's Congress responding? It's rewarding them for ripping us off
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-biggest-tax-scam-ever-20140827

Offshore Shell Games 2016
https://itep.org/offshore-shell-games-2016/
Approximately 58 percent of companies with tax haven subsidiaries have set up at least one in Bermuda or the Cayman Islands -- two particularly notorious tax havens. The profits that all American multinationals -- not just Fortune 500 companies -- collectively claimed they earned in these two island nations according to the most recent data totaled 1,884 percent and 1,313 percent of each country's entire yearly economic output, respectively.
... snip ...

some past bermuda & cayman posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#12 Amid Economic Turbulence, Mainframes Counter IT Cost-Cutting Trend
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#77 Now is time for banks to replace core system according to Accenture
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#91 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#26 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#91 IBM layoffs strike first in India; workers describe cuts as 'slaughter' and 'massive'
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#2 weird apple trivia
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#76 LEO
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015e.html#94 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#91 Thanks Obama
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#92 Thanks Obama
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#35 Deutsche Bank and a $10Bn Money Laundering Nightmare: More Context Than You Can Shake a Stick at

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MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 09:47:11 -0700
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
I think I'm the only person in the world who _likes_ JCL. It gives you a degree of control of the system that you don't get with other systems. My impression is that you might have to write a program on, e..g. unix to do what you can do on MVS with a few lines of JCL. Of course most of such programs have already been written, but JCL is standard as opposed to a random collection of programs you might have installed on your particular system.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#92 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#93 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#94 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

back when I was responsible of production os/360 at the univ. The first thing you did after building new system was verify all the production JCL continued to work. Release-to-release changes routinely broke some production JCL.

hasp, jes2, nji, etc posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#hasp

Philosophically, online systems tended to start out assuming that the responsible person was there in case something went wrong. Batch systems started assuming the reverse, that the responsible person wasn't there ... so increasingly had provisions to automate handling issues (and help led the way to server, dark room operations).

I periodically pontificate about being brought in as consultant to small client/server startup that wanted to do payment transactions on their server, they had also invented this technology they called "SSL" they wanted to use, the result is now frequently called "electronic commerce". I had absolute authority over webserver to internet gateway to payment networks.

The payment networks trouble desk (with circuit-based infrastructure) had standard of 5mins elapsed time for first-level problem determination. Early pilot operation with webserver had trouble call that was eventually closed after 3hrs with "no trouble found". I had to do a lot of documentation and compensating diagnostic software to try and get internet/packet-based to comparable to legacy circuit-based infrastructure.

Until he passes, the internet standard RFC editor also would let me help do STD1. He also sponsored a talk I gave at ISI (including inviting USC graduate computer sec. group) on Why Internet Isn't Business Critical Dataprocessing.

past posts claiming it can take 4-10 times the (original) effort to take a well designed and testing application and turn it into "service".
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001f.html#75 Test and Set (TS) vs Compare and Swap (CS)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#93 Buffer overflow
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002n.html#11 Wanted: the SOUNDS of classic computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003g.html#62 IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003p.html#37 The BASIC Variations
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004b.html#8 Mars Rover Not Responding
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004b.html#48 Automating secure transactions
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004l.html#49 "Perfect" or "Provable" security both crypto and non-crypto?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004p.html#23 Systems software versus applications software definitions
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004p.html#63 Systems software versus applications software definitions
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004p.html#64 Systems software versus applications software definitions
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005b.html#40 [Lit.] Buffer overruns
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005i.html#42 Development as Configuration
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005n.html#26 Data communications over telegraph circuits
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006n.html#20 The System/360 Model 20 Wasn't As Bad As All That
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007f.html#37 Is computer history taught now?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#51 IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the sky is falling!!)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007h.html#78 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007n.html#77 PSI MIPS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#23 Outsourcing loosing steam?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#54 Industry Standard Time To Analyze A Line Of Code
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007v.html#53 folklore indeed
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008e.html#41 IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008e.html#50 fraying infrastructure
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008e.html#53 Why Is Less Than 99.9% Uptime Acceptable?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#33 Mainframe Project management
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#35 Builders V. Breakers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008p.html#48 How much knowledge should a software architect have regarding software security?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#0 Is SUN going to become x86'ed ??
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#27 PDCA vs. OODA
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#67 Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012d.html#44 Faster, Better, Cheaper: Why Not Pick All Three?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014f.html#13 Before the Internet: The golden age of online services
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#86 Economic Failures of HTTPS Encryption
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#146 LEO
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015e.html#10 The real story of how the Internet became so vulnerable
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015e.html#16 The real story of how the Internet became so vulnerable
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#27 History of Mainframe Cloud

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 10:06:00 -0700
Richard Thiebaud <thiebauddick2@aol.com> writes:
Real capitalists have no morals.

wallstreet has become increasingly dominated by sociopaths gaming the system. item from last decade ... estimate at the time, sometime like 30% of transactions (before HFT really took off ... which has made it much worse)

CRAMER REVEALS A BIT TOO MUCH
http://nypost.com/2007/03/20/cramer-reveals-a-bit-too-much/
He added that the strategy - while illegal - was safe enough because, "the Securities and Exchange Commission never understands this."
... snip ...

recent posts mentioning HFT:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#43 when to get out???
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#22 How do BIG WEBSITES work?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#23 How do BIG WEBSITES work?

the other explanation was industry/gov. "revolving door" and SEC (and other regulators, federal reserve, office comptroller currency, FDIC, CFTC, etc) just turning blind eye.

Rhetoric on flr of congress was that Sarbanes-Oxley would prevent future ENRONs and guarantee that executives and auditors did jailtime, however it required SEC to do something. Possibly because even GAO didn't believe SEC was doing anything, it started doing reports of public company fraudulent financial filings ... even showing uptic after SOX goes into effect
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#enron
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#sarbanes-oxley
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#financial.reporting.fraud

I've mentioned before getting asked in 1999 to help try and prevent the economic mess (basically improve integrity of securitized instrument supporting documents as countermeasure to fraud). However they then figured out that they could pay credit rating agencies for triple-A rating (when the rating agencies knew they weren't worth triple-A, from OCT2008 congressional testimony). Triple-A trumps supporting documents and they can start doing no-documentation, liar loans. Triple-A significantly contributes to them doing over $27T 2001-2008, even selling to entities restricted to only dealing in "safe" investments (like large pension funds).
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#toxic.cdo

trivia: SOX included provision that SEC also do something about the credit rating agencies, but they did about as much about them as it did about fraudulent financial filings.

part of the industry got such a bad reputation during the S&L crisis that they change the industry name to "private-equity" and "junk bonds" became "high-yield bonds" ...
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#s&l.crisis
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#private.equity

note that the economic mess last decade was 70 times larger than S&L crisis which had 1000 criminal convictions with jailtime (proportionally, economic mess should have been 70,000 criminal convictions with jailtime). trivia: same family involved in both the S&L crisis and the economic mess.

Possibly from the law of unintended consequences ... the real too big to fail
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail
bailout was by the federal researve including tens of trillions in ZIRP funds
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#zirp

large corporations have been low interest rate loans for stock buybacks, helping prop up their stock prices and meeting executive bonus objectives (executives getting enormous bonuses when otherwise the company may be tanking).
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#stock.buyback

Stockman's The Great Deformation: The Corruption of Capitalism

pg464/loc9995-10000:
IBM was not the born-again growth machine trumpeted by the mob of Wall Street momo traders. It was actually a stock buyback contraption on steroids. During the five years ending in fiscal 2011, the company spent a staggering $67 billion repurchasing its own shares, a figure that was equal to 100 percent of its net income.

pg465/10014-17:
Total shareholder distributions, including dividends, amounted to $82 billion, or 122 percent, of net income over this five-year period. Likewise, during the last five years IBM spent less on capital investment than its depreciation and amortization charges, and also shrank its constant dollar spending for research and development by nearly 2 percent annually.
... snip ...

some recent posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#54 Why the Pursuit of Shareholder Value Kills Innovation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#43 when to get out???
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#58 The ICL 2900
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#5 IBM's core business
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#3 [CM] What was your first home computer?

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MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 10:28:38 -0700
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
I know that the MTS system I used at University, in addition to using IBM's FORTRAN IV G and H compilers, modified to run under MTS, also used HASP, also so modified.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#92 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#93 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#94 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#23 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

cp/40-cms was originally implemented on 360/40 that had been modified to ad hardware support for virtual memory. CP/40-CMS morphs into CP/67-CMS when standard 360/67 with virtual memory becomes available.

lots of installations were sold 360/67 for use with tss/360 ... but because tss/360, lots of installations just used it as 360/65 with os/360 (not using virtual memory). Other installations did their own virtual memory support ... Univ of Mich did MTS, Stanford did Orvyl/Wylbur, some recent posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#28 {wtf} Tymshare SuperBasic Source Code
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#10 IBM 1970s
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#3 The ICL 2900
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#50 Univ. 709
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#75 Mainframe operating systems?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#97 IBM revenue has fallen for 20 quarters -- but it used to run its business very differently
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#58 A flaw in the design; The Internet's founders saw its promise but didn't foresee users attacking one another

and the IBM science center did CP/67-CMS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech

CMS ran a lot of the OS/360 compilers, assemblers and other applications by providing simulation of some of OS/360 system services (less than 64kbytes of code). Later at the VM370/CMS development group they added much more extensive simulatio of MVS system services (joke was in 120kbytes of code, it did better cost effective simulation than MVS did in 8mbytes of code). However that was all lost when the POK MVS group convinced corporate to kill VM370 product, shutdown the Burlington, Mass development group and move all the people to POK to work on MVS/XA (Endicott eventually manages to save the VM370 product mission, but had to resurrect a development group from scratch).

In the early 80s, internal mainframe datacenters were running out of space ... and they were moving a lot of online computer out into 4341s in departmental areas. There were several large MVS-based development applications that wouldn't run on CMS. They managed to move quite a few of these applications to vm370/cms (on distributed 4341s) by providing another 12kbytes of MVS system services simulation.

old 4341 emial (including refs to additional 12kbytes simulation).

triva: in 67/68 time-frame when science center had 12 people working on cp67 & CMS and various online applications, the TSS/360 group had around 1200 people.

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 11:24:58 -0700
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
CRAMER REVEALS A BIT TOO MUCH
http://nypost.com/2007/03/20/cramer-reveals-a-bit-too-much/

He added that the strategy - while illegal - was safe enough because, "the Securities and Exchange Commission never understands this."

... snip ...


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#24 [CM] What was your first home computer?

the low-end version is penny stock ... pump and dump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pump_and_dump

note no just stocks, CFTC had rule that commodidities players had to have significant (commoditiy) position because speculators resulted in wild, irrational price swings (aka they are skimming money on volitility, pump&dump on the way up and shorting on the way down). Then there were 19 "secret letters" allowing specific speculators to play. One of the results was the huge spike in gas the summer of 2008. some past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#griftopia

in 2011 a senator releases transaction details showing the speculators responsible for the huge spike in oil/gas the summer of 2008. For some reason, the press then pillers/criticizes the senator for violating privacy of the corporations responsible (rather than criticizing those responsible for the commodity manipulation).

"too big to fail" have gotten heavily into manipulating commodities (apparently with impunity in mainstream press) ... however they have also gotten away pretty free, getting periodic fines for repeatedly (also) manipulating LIBOR and FOREX (besides commodities, stocks, etc).
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#libor

the first time I noticed the use of too big to presecute and too big to jail ... when they were also got caught (and only moderate fines) money laundering for drug cartels and terrorists
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#money.laundering
and
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail

including tieing the money laundering enabling militerizing cartels and their weapons and the big uptic in cartel violence on both sides of the border.

In the late 90s, I was also asked to looking at improving the exchange trading floor transactions ... I worked on it for awhile and then get dall saying the work is being suspended. The explanation was a side effect of the integrity work would greatly increase transparency and visibility and basically a large portion of transactions couldn't stand the light of day (also see Cramer reference) ... transparency and visibility antithetical to wallstreet culture.

Later at the Madoff congressional hearings, they had the person that had tried unsuccessfully for a decade to get SEC to do something about Madoff (eventually SEC's hands were forced when Madoff turned himself in). During testimony, he was asked if new regulations were needed. He replied that while new regulations might be needed, much more important was transparency and visibility (possibly because SEC wasn't doing a lot about existing regulations).
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#madoff

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MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 12:07:37 -0700
Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> writes:
Yes, and good luck trying to do the equivalent with JCL.

You can actually write a JCL procedure called RM and have it delete a file but then you would end up with:

// RM FILE1 // RM FILE2

and both file deletions would need to invoke IEFBR14 or IDCAMS separately.

Okay, so try to write a proc that handles this:

// RM FILE1,FILE2...

Good luck. Your best bet would be to invoke TSO in the PROC and use a CLIST or REXX.


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#92 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#93 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#94 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#23 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#25 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

an early CP/67-CMS customer was Union Carbide. One of the Union Carbide people wrote a OS/360 program that ran on the operator's console that implemented most of the CMS commands ... similuating them with OS/360 system services (gave os/360 operator's console look&feel of CMS). This could be run on real 360 ... but was frequently used running os/360 in virtual machine.

one of the early commercial service bureau spinoffs of science center was NCSS. Another involved people from both science center and the guy that ran MIT lincoln labs and cp67 people from lincoln labs ... that had their office in waltham, mass. The Union Carbide guy joined the waltham, mass group (they also tried to recruit me when I graduated, rather than joining the science center).
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech

trivia: both cp67 service bureaus quickly moved up the value chain to providing financial information to wallstreet and other financial institutions
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#timeshare

when there was still facade that TARP funds would be used to buy Too Big To Fail offbook toxic assets ... the waltham corporation was briefly mentioned in Jan2009 that they would be involved in helping value the offbook toxic assets (they had previously bought the pricing services division from one of the major credit rating agencies, giving rise to some jokes that credit rating agencies didn't really need to know value of things they were rating).

Then there was publicity that it was too hard to rate the TBTF offbook toxic assets. Various issues:

1) late summer some offbook toxic assets went for 22cents on the dollar, if the rest of the offbook toxic assets went for that price, the TBTF would be declared insolvent and have to be liquidated.

2) ye2008, just the four largest TBTF were still carrying $5.2T in offbook toxic assets while there had only been $700B appropriated for TARP. There wasn't even enough to cover $5.2T at 22cents on the dollar ($1.14T) which would have also been $4.06T loss

3) paying for triple-A ratings trumps documentation so they could start doing no-documentation, liar loans ... liar loans w/o documentation it would be impossible to value the offbook toxic assets.

some too big to fail posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail
some (triple-A rated) toxic asset posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#toxic.cdo

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 12:48:01 -0700
Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> writes:
Many of the horrors of JCL really stem from the architecture of the 360. There's a lot of detail of data set allocation, with CKD disks and the variable record size features of the disks. So, allocating files by having to know, in ADVANCE, how many tracks or cylinders they will occupy, and having to deal with what happens if the file grows. Yes, these things really gave you a lot of flexibility to do it YOUR way, and certainly having all files on the system perfectly contiguous at all times helped performance. And, getting full performance out of a 360 was important, because especially the lower models were REALLY slow, and peripherals (I'm thinking mainly 2314 disks, here) were really slow to seek.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#92 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#93 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#94 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#23 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#25 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#27 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

there is recent thread on ibm-main mailing list about choosing the optimal blocking factor for (CKD) disks improved performance, taking into account track size, tracks/cyl, number of cylinders, etc.

However real CKD disks haven't been built for decades, being simulated on industry standard fixed-block disks
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#3 SDB (system detrmined Blksize)

ckd, fba, multi-track search, etc posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#dasd

thread (archived at google)
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/bit.listserv.ibm-main/FjMmn2SWS1g

big OS360 problem with CKD was early 360 using multi-track search (and channel capacity) trade-off for limited real storage. By late 70s, the situation had inverted ... real storage was getting large enough to cache location tables instead of constantly doing multi-track searches. I was called into a number of customer severe VS2 performance accounts, that turned out were doing wide-spread transaction activity with each transaction loading application out of large PDS library on (loosely-coupled shared) 3330 with a three cylinder directory. After depth of search was 1.5cyls, multi-track search of 19tracks (19recolutions at 60/sec) or .317 seconds elapsed time I/O plus 9.5 tracks 0.156 seconds elapsed time I/O ... plus random access to load the application ... total around .5seconds elapsed time to load each transaction application. This is for national retailer that really wanted to do tens or hundreds of transactions per seconds.

I had offerred the MVS group FBA support (which required keeping tables and eliminating multi-track search). However, I was told that even if I provided fully tested and integrated implementation, it would still cost $26M for education and documentation ... so I needed a $200M-$300M additional new sales business case (and since customers were already buying disks as fast as they could be made, it would have just met they would be same amount of FBA as they were buying CKD).

past posts getting to play disk engineer in bldgs. 14&15
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#disk

other perspective ... current processors latency to memory, when measured in count of machine cycles ... is compareable to number of 60s machine cycles for latency to 60s disk.

In the 70s, I was pointing out that relative system disk troughput was declining. Early 80s, I was pointificating that relative system disk throughput had declined by factor of ten times since 60s (processors were getting faster, much faster than disks were getting faster). The disk division executives took exception and assigned the division performance group to refute my claims. They came back a few weeks later and effectively said that I had slightly understated the situation. past posts with comparison http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/93.html#31

they then respun the analysis for configurating disks to improve system throughput ... which was presented at SHARE (session B874). some recent posts mentioning b874
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#32 Virtualization's Past Helps Explain Its Current Importance
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#70 The ICL 2900
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#61 Paging subsystems in the era of bigass memory
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#5 TSS/8, was A Whirlwind History of the Computer

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 12:58:16 -0700
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
note that china recently have strictly enforced 1child families ... to try and get control over the over population problem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy
It did have unintended side effects, families primarily selected for males ... to they now have a scarcity of females.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy#Disparity_in_sex_ratio_at_birth


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#12 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#19 [CM] What was your first home computer?

India's population already overtaken China's: Chinese demographer; According to the demographer's numbers, India is now the world's most populous country, overtaking China five years ahead of forecasts.
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/indian-population-overtakes-china-chinese-demographer/1/960581.html

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MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 13:55:47 -0700
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
Avg. depth of search was 1.5cyls, multi-track search of 19tracks (19recolutions at 60/sec) or .317 seconds elapsed time I/O plus 9.5 tracks 0.156 seconds elapsed time I/O ... plus random access to load the application ... total around .5seconds elapsed time to load each transaction application. This is for national retailer that really wanted to do tens or hundreds of transactions per seconds.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#92 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#93 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#94 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#23 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#25 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#27 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#28 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

first one of these, was invited into large national retailer hdqtrs datacenter ... took me to classroom with 15-20 classroom tables. half dozen tables covered with piles of performance activity printouts from multiple high-end mainframe VS2 systems.

I start leafing through the printouts, after 30mins or so start to realize that big drop-off in performance seemed to be correlated with maximum/peak total activity (across multiple systems) on particular 3330 shared disk of around 7 I/Os second (bascially the two multi-track search I/Os plus application load for approx. two transactions/sec ... plus part of something additional).

futher investigation was disk that contained the transaction application PDS dataset library ... for all national retail stores. Eventually solutions was to split it into three PDS libraries and give each loosely-coupled system, their own private copy of the three PDS libraries. Highest used applications load-balanced in PDS dataset with fewest number of members, to minimize the multi-track search revolutions.

about same time, had something related in IBM San Jose Research. At the time had 370/158 for VM and 370/168 for MVS with shared 3330 disk pool ... but stricked rules that strings were dedicated for systems, and MVS 3330s couldn't be mounted on VM370 strings.

around 10am one moring, the datacenter starting getting angry calls from vm370 users about CMS response had radically degrading. Investigating, turns out an operator had accidentally mounted 3330 pack on vm370 string. The standard MVS multi-track search operations were horribly interfering with CMS response i.e. a multi-track search ties/locks up the device, but also channel and (shared) controller. MVS/TSO users are so use to the problem that they don't know enough to complain ... but it came as a horrible shock to CMS users (how badly CKD DASD multi-track searches affect response).

demands were made to immediately move the offending MVS pack. Operations say they wouldn't do it until 2nd shift. We placed a pack on MVS string for a VS1 system highly optimived for running under VM370 and brought it up in a virtual machine ... and started do things involving multi-track search ... which brings the MVS/168 to its knees (even running under loaded vm370 running on 370/158 easily outperforms MVS/168) which significantly improves CMS response. Operations then say they will immediately move the MVS pack off the VM370 string, if we move the VS1 pack.

past posts mentioning CKD, FBA, multi-track search, pds, vtoc, etc
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#dasd

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 14:55:35 -0700
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
With DOS I tuned things like using "split cylinder" allocation for the COBOL work files - half the tracks on a cylinder for one, half for the other. It was astonishing how much things sped up - no disk arm movement.

Undergraduate in the 60s (univ. hired me to responsible for their productions systems), I would hand order output of stage1 sysgen so the result of stage2 sysgen built system packs trying to optimize dataset placement, ordering of members in PDS datasets (and therefor also ordering in PDS directory multitrack search) to optimize disk arm mortion (and multitrack search time). old post in this thread showing part of presentation I did at SHARE on the work (also some results of rewritting sections of cp67 to improve os360 performance in virtual machine)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#93 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

one of the problems were PTF fixes where constantly being applied, which would delete old PDS member and insert replacement PDS member at the end. After 6months or so of PTF activity, there could be noticeable degradation (and I might have to rebuild system packs to recover the optimized disk performance).

other posts in thread
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#92 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#94 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#23 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#25 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#27 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#28 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#30 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

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MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 21:39:05 -0700
Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> writes:
The OS data structures are full of bit flags.

360/65MP was (os/360 mvt) kernel (test&set) spin-lock implementation ... so kernel code only ran on one processor at a time ... and applications only ran on one processor at a time.

charlie invented compare&swap instruction (instruction name chosen because CAS are charlie's initials) while doing fine-grain multiprocessor locking for cp/67 (kernel code could run simultaneously on both processors) at the science center
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech
and
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#smp

initially when we attempted to try and get compare&swap added to 370 architecture ... it was rejected because the pok favorite sone operating system people said that test&set was sufficient to multiprocessor support. The 370 architecture owners said that in order to justify compare&swap for 370, we had to come up with uses besides kernel multiprocessing locking/serialization. Thus was born the application multiprogramming uses (whether running on single processor or multiple processors) ... examples continued to be in principles of operation appendix.
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/DZ9ZR003/A.6.2?SHELF=DZ9ZBK03&DT=20040504121320&CASE=
and
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/DZ9ZR003/A.6.3?SHELF=DZ9ZBK03&DT=20040504121320&CASE=
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/DZ9ZR003/A.6.4?SHELF=DZ9ZBK03&DT=20040504121320&CASE=
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/DZ9ZR003/A.6.5?SHELF=DZ9ZBK03&DT=20040504121320&CASE=

however, lter as MVS tries to move from single multiprocessor kernel spin-lock to finer grain locking, the enormous number of bit flag operations gave rise to the folklore is that high-end 370 MVS machines had to fiddle the oi&ni instructions ... since they aren't automic like compare&swap ... aka the processor hardware has to fetch the storage, modify the bit and then store it back in single instruction operation (but involves multiple non-atomic storage operations from memory standpoint) ... aka they had to "fix" the multiprocessor hardware so that oi/ni operate more like compare&swap (because mvs couldn't fix all the problems). It is one of the reasons why they also explicitly added this to principles of operation appendix
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/DZ9ZR003/A.6.1?SHELF=DZ9ZBK03&DT=20040504121320&CASE=

os/360 bit flag problems show up again in moving to mvs/xa 31-bit addressing because lots of them where in the high-order byte of 24-bit address fields.

posts in thread
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#92 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#93 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#94 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#23 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#25 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#27 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#28 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#30 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#31 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

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MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 22:16:32 -0700
drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) writes:
UMich felt HASP was clunky, and Resource Manager was eventually written by one of the consortium members.

my wife was in the JES group and one of the "catchers" for ASP turning it into JES3. She was also co-author JESUS, JES Unified System, all the features of JES2 and JES3 that the respective customers couldn't live w/o. However, for various reasons it didn't come to pass ... and then she was con'ed into going to POK to be responsible for loosely-coupled architecture (mainframe for cluster). While there she did peer-coupled shared data architecture
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#shareddata

she didn't remain long in part because of little uptake (except for IMS hot-standby until sysplex & parallel sysplex) and in part because of never ending battles with communication group trying to force her into using SNA/VTAM for loosely-coupled operations.

a little more mention of HASP in this old post primarily having to do with the justification for moving to virtual memory for all 370s .... primarily because of the really bad MVT storage management ... typically requiring regions to be four times larger than actually used ... resulting in only four regions on 1mbyte 370/165. As processors were getting faster than disks were getting faster ... so high-end 370 needed increasing numbers of concurrent applications running simultaneously to keep system utilized.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#73 Multiple Virtual Memory

posts mentioning hasp, jes2, nji, etc
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#hasp

posts in thread:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#92 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#93 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#94 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#23 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#25 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#27 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#28 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#30 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#31 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#32 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

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The head of the Census Bureau just quit, and the consequences are huge

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: The head of the Census Bureau just quit, and the consequences are huge
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 08:50:39 -0700
Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> writes:
Index cards, probably. A separate index sorted by each of the significant parameters, and an index card for each box or set of data cards; duplicated in each index. As office junior before [1] computerisation, it was my job to maintain several card indexes to data held in typed and hand-written form in various ledgers and pigeon-hole systems. I think that may have helped me to develop enthusiasm for 'personal computers'.

[1] 'Head Office' had a computer that used punched cards, and they sent the cards out to branches by the van-full every quarter so that we could hand-write any corrections onto them before sending them back by the van-full for 'processing'. That's when our indexes came into their own.


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#89 The head of the Census Bureau just quit, and the consequences are huge
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#95 The head of the Census Bureau just quit, and the consequences are huge
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#98 The head of the Census Bureau just quit, and the consequences are huge
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#101 The head of the Census Bureau just quit, and the consequences are huge

Did a couple visits with NIH national library of medicine in the 90s about UMLS (unified medical language system) ... basically how you organize medical knowledge
https://www.nlm.nih.gov/research/umls/

When I was undergraduate, univ. I was at got ONR grant for online catalog, part of the money went for IBM 2321 datacell. It was also selected to be betatest site for the original IBM CICS product. I got task to support/debug ... there were a couple CICS bugs that I had to patch (since no source). One was CICS had hard coded spectific set of BDAM options (not documented) and Library had chosen a different set. some past cics &/or bdam posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#bdam

at NIH/NLM there were still a couple of people that had done the original NLM online catalog implementation (about the same time I was debugging CICS) while they used BDAM, they had written their own online transaction monitor. Item (article/book) had 80 different classifications they were indexed by (keywords, author, date, etc). There was BDAM record for every book/article/etc. Each index had the BDAM record number for each item that matched that index.

For "AND" queries they just looked for BDAM record numbers that appeared in both index record ("AND" was set intersection, "OR" was set join).

Early 80s, there was client online query program that ran on Apple (Grateful Med). One of the problems was by then, the index (medical knowledge articles/books) had grown so large that queries tended to return more than thousand items ... even out to 4-5 query terms ... and tended to be bimodel, either returning thousands of matches or zero matches. GratefulMed query interface defaulted to just returning the number of matches. (GratefulMed) Search objective was to find query that returned more than zero and less than hundred.

UMLS was organization of medical knowledge ... both hierarcical relations as well as mesh (any-to-any) organizations. They had hired a SQL/relational firm to load UMLS into RDBMS ... they had spend over two years for the initial load ... mostly unnormalized and were spending 18 months to update the RDBMS for 9months of new medical knowledge. The real-world UMLS didn't fit the structured table organization required by RDBMS

I had worked on the original SQL/relational implementation System/R
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#systemr

and then was brought in to do a different kind of relational implementation that directly instantiated every relation (rather than implied by structured table entry in RDBMS) which made it trivial to represent any kind of relational structure, including any-to-any mesh. After leaving IBM, I complete rewrote a new version of this from scratch ... and for NLM it took a few weeks to load the full UMLS.

This also had query language that supported 3-value logic. some past 3-value logic posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003g.html#40 How to cope with missing values - NULLS?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004l.html#75 NULL
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005.html#15 Amusing acronym
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005i.html#35 The Worth of Verisign's Brand
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005m.html#19 Implementation of boolean types
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005t.html#23 So what's null then if it's not nothing?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005t.html#33 What ever happened to Tandem and NonStop OS ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006e.html#34 CJ Date on Missing Information
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006q.html#22 3 value logic. Why is SQL so special?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006q.html#23 3 value logic. Why is SQL so special?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006q.html#29 3 value logic. Why is SQL so special?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006s.html#27 Why these original FORTRAN quirks?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006x.html#21 "The Elements of Programming Style"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006x.html#30 "The Elements of Programming Style"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006y.html#1 "The Elements of Programming Style"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#34 Is the Relational Database Doomed?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#32 Old-school programming techniques you probably don't miss
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009r.html#65 You know you've been Lisp hacking to long when
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#8 Initial ideas (orientation) constrain creativity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013o.html#6 "hexadecimal"?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014c.html#77 Bloat
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#55 Difference between MVS and z / OS systems
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#123 Holy Grail for parallel programming language
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#152 Is true that a real programmer would not stoop to wasting machine capacity to do the assembly?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#63 Do we really?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#24 You thought IEFBR14 was bad? Try GNU's /bin/true code
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#13 Computers anyone?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#93 The Undoing Project: A Friendship That Changed Our Minds Kindle Edition
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#102 Trump to sign cyber security order

past posts mentioning Grateful Med
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001j.html#1 Off-topic everywhere [was: Re: thee and thou
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001m.html#51 Author seeks help - net in 1981
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002g.html#3 Why are Mainframe Computers really still in use at all?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004f.html#0 c.d.theory glossary (repost)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004n.html#47 Shipwrecks
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006l.html#31 Google Architecture
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008l.html#80 Book: "Everyone Else Must Fail" --Larry Ellison and Oracle ???
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009m.html#88 Continous Systems Modelling Package
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#25 Old datasearches
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#9 Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#87 Old data storage or data base
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#63 Do we really?

also posts that mention UMLS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/94.html#26 Misc. more on bidirectional links
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001i.html#27 History of Microsoft Word (and wordprocessing in general)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001j.html#1 Off-topic everywhere [was: Re: thee and thou
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002o.html#45 XML, AI, Cyc, psych, and literature
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002o.html#50 XML, AI, Cyc, psych, and literature
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004e.html#53 c.d.theory glossary (repost)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004f.html#7 The Network Data Model, foundation for Relational Model
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004l.html#52 Specifying all biz rules in relational data
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004o.html#67 Relational vs network vs hierarchic databases
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004p.html#0 Relational vs network vs hierarchic databases
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005d.html#57 Thou shalt have no other gods before the ANSI C standard
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005j.html#45 Where should the type information be?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005j.html#47 Where should the type information be?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#74 Speculation ONLY
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#10 Boyd & Beyond 2010, review at Zenpundit
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#39 Compressing the OODA-Loop - Removing the D (and maybe even an O)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#87 Old data storage or data base
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014c.html#77 Bloat
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#55 Difference between MVS and z / OS systems
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#36 The Network Nation, Revised Edition
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#14 Fast OODA-Loops increase Maneuverability

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Hitachi to Deliver New Mainframe Based on IBM z Systems in Japan

From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Subject: Re: Hitachi to Deliver New Mainframe Based on IBM z Systems in Japan
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Date: 25 May 2017 10:27:20 -0700
sipples@SG.IBM.COM (Timothy Sipples) writes:
I probably disagree with Binyamin about who implemented 31-bit support when. Wikipedia Japan says that VOS3/ES1, the first 31-bit version of VOS3, shipped in March, 1985. IBM's MVS/XA shipped at least as early as 1982. (It was announced in October, 1981.)

In the early 80s, I had full set of all the "Registered Confidential" documents for unannounced/unshipped 370/xa architecture (which would eventually show up on 3081) ... referred to as "811" for their Nov1978 publication dates

For some reason, I got a call from head hunter asking me to interview for job of technical assistant to president of clone 370 processor company (that resold machines manufactured on the other side of the pacific). During the interview there were hints dropped that they were interested in new 370/xa architecture. I politely mentioned that I had submitted changes to IBM Employee ethics booklet because I didn't think that it had strong enough ethics guidelines. The interview ended shortly later ... and I never heard from them again.

Later the overseas company was involved in federal court case about industrial espionage and because I was listed on the US company's lobby checkin, I had 3hr interview with FBI agent. Afterwards, I wondered who had leaked the information (that I had full copy of the XA documents) ... that likely resulted in the job interview.

Note IBM later also unloaded the disk division on them.

Trivia ... during the Future System period in the 70s, 370 efforts were being shutdown (credited with giving clone makers market foothold)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys

then when FS imploded in mid-70s, there was made rush to get things back into 370 product pipelines ... 3033, 3081, & 370/xa being kicked off in parallel ... reference:
http://www.jfsowa.com/computer/memo125.htm

Head of POK also managed to convince corporate to kill VM370, shutdown the development group and have all the people to transfer to POK to work on MVS/XA (claim that otherwise MVS/XA wouldn't ship on time quite a few years later). Note: Endicott eventually manages to save the VM370 product mission, but have to reconstruct a development group from scratch.

Some of the people do a virtual machine tool supporting MVS/XA development ... but was never intended to ship to customers. However, when customers weren't installing MVS/XA as POK planned, they decide to release the tool as the VM/MA (migration aid) ... allowing customers to run MVS & MVS/XA concurrently as aid in migration to MVS/XA.

Later they have large development plan to bring VM/MA up to feature/function level compareable to VM370. Endicott already had VM370 supporting full 370/xa ... done by system support programmer at IBM Rochester. However, internal politics resulted in the POK large development plan for VM/MA to win out.

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MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 16:25:50 -0700
Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> writes:
Well, of course, there are always tradeoffs. Remember that the 360 started out with the /30, a 32-bit architecture emulated on an 8-bit machine with 8- bit memory. It had a memory bandwidth of about 300K bytes/second. Memory was capped at 64 KB, but a lot of machines were delivered with 8K or 16K. (Note, the 360/30 did NOT run OS/360, it ran a few lower-level systems such as TOS and DOS.)

64kbyte 360/30 ran early versions os os360 PCP ... univ. had one up through at least release 6 or 7. By release 9.5, it had been replaced with 768kbyte 360/67, ran mostly as 360/65 with os/360 MFT (moving to MVT with release 15/16).

my 1st programming job was to reimplement 1401 MPIO that did the tape->printer/punch and cardreader->tape as unit record front end to 709 running tape->tape IBSYS. The 360/30 had 1401 hardware emulation ... so I guess it was purely part of effort for transitioning to 360 (709 & 360/30 then replaced with 360/67). I got to design and implement my own monitor, device drivers, interrupt handlers, error recovery, storage management, dispatching, etc.

eventually had tray of 2000 cards, with assembler option that either did stand-alone or os/360 with DCB macros and get/put macros. stand-alone version assembled in about 30mins on 360/30 under os/360 pcp release 6. DCB version assembled in around an hour because assembly of each DCB macro took 5-6 minutes elapsed time.

student fortran jobs with ibsys tape->tape took under a second. initial move to os/360 360/65, each student fortran job took around a minute. this was reduced to around 30secs elapsed time with HASP. Then with my careful manual reording of stage2 sysgen (optimized arm seek and multi-track PDS search) I got it to around 12secs ... mentioned earlier in thread:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#93 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#31 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

it wasn't until installing watfor that student fortran jobs got back to under second (running faster than 709 ibsys). student fortran jobs started out 3-step fortrang, compile, link-edit and go/execute ... and effectively all the time was step job scheduler and file open/close which involved huge number of CKD disk i/os.

Watfor was one step "monitor" than handled multiple student jobs per execution ... effectively 360/65&2314 step time was 4seconds (with my sysgen optimization) and then watfor processed fortran at "20,000 cards/min" (on 360/65) ... around 333 statements/sec. Avg student fortran tended to avg around 60 statements (30-100) usually with almost instantaneous execution. Input window would accept student jobs and place them in card tray. When tray got nearly full (2000-3000 cards, 30-50 jobs, maybe partial full, if it has been a couple hrs since the last run), which would be run as single watfor job step ... 5+jobs/sec plus 4sec startup ... 9-13secs elapsed per run.

past posts mentioning watfor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/94.html#18 CP/67 & OS MFT14
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/96.html#9 cics
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/97.html#22 Pre S/360 IBM Operating Systems?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/97.html#28 IA64 Self Virtualizable?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/98.html#21 Reviving the OS/360 thread (Questions about OS/360)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#93 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#175 amusing source code comments (was Re: Testing job applicants)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000.html#55 OS/360 JCL: The DD statement and DCBs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000d.html#45 Charging for time-share CPU time
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000d.html#46 Charging for time-share CPU time
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001.html#52 Review of Steve McConnell's AFTER THE GOLD RUSH
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001g.html#20 Golden Era of Compilers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001g.html#22 Golden Era of Compilers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001h.html#12 checking some myths.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001i.html#33 Waterloo Interpreters (was Re: RAX (was RE: IBM OS Timeline?))
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002f.html#53 WATFOR's Silver Anniversary
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002f.html#54 WATFOR's Silver Anniversary
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002g.html#1 WATFOR's Silver Anniversary
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002m.html#3 The problem with installable operating systems
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002q.html#29 Collating on the S/360-2540 card reader?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002q.html#31 Collating on the S/360-2540 card reader?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003c.html#51 HASP assembly: What the heck is an MVT ABEND 422?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003j.html#26 A Dark Day
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004.html#48 AMD/Linux vs Intel/Microsoft
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004b.html#53 origin of the UNIX dd command
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004c.html#60 IBM 360 memory
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005m.html#16 CPU time and system load
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005q.html#7 HASP/ASP JES/JES2/JES3
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005r.html#0 Intel strikes back with a parallel x86 design
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006.html#15 S/360
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006b.html#5 IBM 610 workstation computer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#70 The name "shell"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#0 The use of "script" for program
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008.html#33 JCL parms
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008.html#51 IBM LCS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#71 IBM tried to kill VM?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#18 Microminiaturized Modules
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#24 Opinion: The top 10 operating system stinkers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#41 Book on Poughkeepsie
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#37 Young Developers Get Old Mainframers' Jobs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#73 Now is time for banks to replace core system according to Accenture
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009s.html#19 PDP-10s and Unix
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009s.html#21 PDP-10s and Unix
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#61 Source code for s/360 [PUBLIC]
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#54 search engine history, was Happy DEC-10 Day
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#61 Mainframe Slang terms
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#66 PL/1 as first language
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011g.html#44 My first mainframe experience
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011g.html#50 My first mainframe experience
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011h.html#17 Is the magic and romance killed by Windows (and Linux)?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#13 program coding pads
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#17 Last card reader?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011o.html#34 Data Areas?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011p.html#5 Why are organizations sticking with mainframes?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012.html#36 Who originated the phrase "user-friendly"?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012.html#43 Who originated the phrase "user-friendly"?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012d.html#7 PCP - memory lane
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012e.html#98 Burroughs B5000, B5500, B6500 videos
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#31 Regarding Time Sharing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#24 Is Microsoft becoming folklore?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#31 Java Security?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#39 Old data storage or data base
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#4 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#18 A Brief History of Cloud Computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013o.html#54 Curiosity: TCB mapping macro name - why IKJTCB?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013o.html#87 The Mother of All Demos: The 1968 presentation that sparked a tech revolution
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014.html#23 Scary Sysprogs and educating those 'kids'
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014f.html#76 Fifty Years of BASIC, the Programming Language That Made Computers Personal
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014f.html#85 Fifty Years of BASIC, the Programming Language That Made Computers Personal
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#134 A System 360 question
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015.html#51 IBM Data Processing Center and Pi
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#15 What were the complaints of binary code programmers that not accept Assembly?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#102 End of vacuum tubes in computers?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#21 the legacy of Seymour Cray
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#35 high level language idea
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#29 Multitasking, together with OS operations

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MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 23:19:39 -0700
Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> writes:
Right, on a 360/30 with only one task, this worked great. On a 360/50 with 50 jobs running, letting anybody do a long search tied up the channel for seconds at a time. Generally, you had all DASD on one selector, and the tapes on another selector to avoid long (slow) tape operations from impacting the disks. So, if a serach was performed, all disks were unavailable until it was completed. Not great in the pultiprogramming environment.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#28 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

more recent multi-track
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#30 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#31 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#36 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

other recent multi-track
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#88 The ICL 2900
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#28 Virtualization's Past Helps Explain Its Current Importance
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#36 IBM LinuxONE Rockhopper
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#5 SDB (system determined Blksize)

vtoc & PDS directory multi-track search ... find directory entry ... trading off lots of channel I/O for scarce real storage. Part of the problem was sequential (multi-track) search doesn't scale well as systems grew ... from multi-track with couple tracks to couple cyclinders.

ISAM did complex multi-track operations along with self-modifying channel programs ... all in one channel program ... do multi-track search for item with location, read the location into argument for subsequent search in the same channel program ... which can be repeated until finally read/write the actual record.

ckd, fba, multi-track search, etc
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#dasd

I was involved in original sql/relational implementation (System/R)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#systemr

in the late 70s, IMS was criticizing System/R as taking twice the physical disk space as IMS and 4-5 disk I/Os for the same database. The issue was that IMS had physical record numbers as part of the actual data ... while relational had separate index infrastructure (doubling required disk space) ... and the index required 4-5 disk I/Os to process the index. The relational response was that IMS had several times the manual administration effort because the physical record locations were exposed as part of the data.

Going into the 80s, there was significant drop in disk price/mbyte ... making the relational index space less of issue. Also computer system processor memory was significantly increasing ... and there was increasing use of caching to offset the reduction in relative system disk throughput ... rdbms index caching then minimized the number of separate disk i/os to access desired record. At the same time significant increase in DBMS (in part because of significant decrease in system and dataprocessing costs). The much lower (manual) effort and skill met that they would mostly be RDBMS.

when Gray was leaving research for tandem ... he was palming off a bunch of stuff on me ... including DBMS consulting with the IMS group, old email
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007.html#email801016

after Gray's disappearance
http://www.informationweek.com/database/sailing-mystery-unsolved-court-declares-jim-gray-dead/d/d-id/1104453
http://www.informationweek.com/the-search-for-microsoft-researcher-jim-gray/d/d-id/1053601

there is celebration of Gray at UCB
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/18/closure-in-disappearance-of-computer-scientist-jim-gray/
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/31/a-tribute-to-jim-gray-sometimes-nice-guys-do-finish-first/

Tribute press release:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080616153833/http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/IPRO/JimGrayTribute/pressrelease.html

podcast of the tribute:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080604010939/http://webcast.berkeley.edu/event_details.php?webcastid=23082
http://web.archive.org/web/20080604072804/http://webcast.berkeley.edu/event_details.php?webcastid=23083
http://web.archive.org/web/20080604072809/http://webcast.berkeley.edu/event_details.php?webcastid=23087
http://web.archive.org/web/20080604072815/http://webcast.berkeley.edu/event_details.php?webcastid=23088

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MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 08:32:49 -0700
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
IMS did complex multi-track operations along with self-modifying channel programs ... all in one channel program ... do multi-track search for item with location, read the location into argument for subsequent search in the same channel program ... which can be repeated until finally read/write the actual record.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#37 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

finger slip ... that is ISAM (index sequential access method, not IMS) doing the modifying channel programs ... where search index, and then read address of record for subsequent seek/search in the same channel program.

ckd, fba, multi-track search, etc
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#dasd

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MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 09:53:20 -0700
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
Of course you could. CMS formatted its disks with a fixed block size, I believe originally 300 bytes. It would also have been possible to allocate randomly in units of tracks.

original CMS (GH20-0859-0_CP67_Version_3_Users_Guide_Oct70)

CP/67 CMS formated 829, originally from optimal fit on 2311 track size:
Files stored on disk are formatted into records 829 bytes long. This formatting is handled internally by CMS. and is not controlled by the user. The maximum CMS file size (assuming that the user·s assigned disk area can accommodate it), is 24.358 million bytes, or 65,533 records. If a file consists of a source language program.. a size limitation may be imposed by the language in which that program is written. and this size may be smaller than the 24.358 million bytes allowed by CMS. The maximum disk file for user disks is 203 cylinders each. Although there is no inherent limitation to the number of files a user may create. he is limited practically by the sizes of his disk areas. When a user has filled either of these areas. a message to this effect is typed at his terminal. Refer to "Recovery Procedures" for steps to be taken in this case.
.... snip ...

This was "CDF" file system and later changed to 800. In later half of 70s, "EDF" file system was introduced, which had format selection of 1k, 2k, or 4k (fixed block) record size (it also allowed increasing index depths for much larger file size). On 512byte FBA, a 1k, 2k, 4k logic record size was 2, 4, or 8 contiguous physical blocks.

CDF & EDF had master file directory ... updating filesystem MFD would write changed information to new block locations and then single write would rewrite master record pointing to current MFD.

CKD DASD had failure mode that during power-failure could write zeros to record w/o any error indication (dropping power to memory, but enough power to continue channel, controller, disk, so channel would be generating zeros to finish write). This affected CDF file system during the update of the pointer to the MFD. EDF fixed this "bug" by having a pair of master records and would alternate writes. After failure, access would read both records and select the latest valid (with version number at the end of the record, undetected zeros write would never be the latest record). Note that this also affected VTOC and other filesystems that were never fixed. Later fixed-block (and CKD implementation on fixed-block) supported never starting a record disk write unless all data was available to complete the record disk write.

ckd, fba, multi-track search, etc
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#dasd

Note that in the early 70s, disk division started migration to fixed block size with sector feature. 3330 had 20 surfaces, but the 20th surface was reserved for current rotational position ... and only 19 data surfaces. Original CKD channel program could be seek/search/read-write all as single uninterruptable channel program. Quickly goes to "stand-alone" seeks ... while channel is left available (for other operations) during arm motion. However channel was still busy during the rotation of the search operation preceding the read/write. For fixed formating, it was possible to predeterming the rotational sector position for the start of each record. channel program then became "set sector"/search/read-write ... where the channel would disconnect until the specified "set sector" came under the head and reconnect to the channel for the search operation (minimizing enormous channel/controller unnecessary busy).

trivia: TSS/360 had page mapped filesystem (single level store) ... which had significant throughput/performance issues ... and something similar was adapted for future system ... which contributed to the enormous future system problems that eventually resulted in its failure
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys

For page-mapped filesystem that I did for CP67/CMS ... and then moved to VM370/CMS, I would claim that I learned from TSS/360 what not to do ... and avoid its significance performance limitations. While a lot of my stuff was picked up and released in VM370, I blame the bad rep that page mapped filesystems got from the Future System failure ... for my CMS paged mapped filesystem not being released. Old email at science center
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech

about moving from CP67 to VM370
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006v.html#email731212
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#email750102
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#email750430

most of the CSC/VM features (that I would support for operation and production at internal datacenters) got picked up and shipped in standard vm370 product ... except for the page mapped support.

some old PAM, CDF, and EDF performance comparison
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006.html#25 DCSS as SWAP disk for z/Linux

Not apparent in the above numbers, there were a lot of embedded features that resulted in scaling up significantly better in heavily loaded concurrent environment.

page mapped filesystem posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#mmap

a constant ongoing problem was page-mapped would support address location independent sharing of file images concurrently in different address spaces ... like executables. The problem was that CMS used lots of OS/360 assemblers and compilers which had "relocatable adcons" which weren't location independent execution. OS/360 when loading "relocatable adcons" ... would swizzle relocatable adcons to the loaded address before starting execution aka after loading the file, the storage is altered, which results in problems for both straight page mapping as well as concurrent (read-only) sharing in different address spaces. TSS/360 did address this issue with generated executabes that allowed direct file memory mapping and location independent sharing.

past posts about memory mapping and all the problems I had with the os/360 relocatable adcons paradigm
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#adcon

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MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 16:46:48 -0700
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
They designed the whole architecture at once, modulo a few things like VF, extended FP, etc. The individual implementations came later.

360 wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_System/360
original 360 system summary
http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360/systemSummary/A22-6810-0_360sysSummary64.pdf

pg.8, "Instructions" standard set, basic processing and logic; commercial feature set, floating-point scientific set, two instructions for storage proection:

The universal instruction set, a standard facility on Models 50-70 and optional on Models 30 and 40, includes the standard set, the decimal, the floating-point, and the two instructions for storage protection.

... snip ...

360/44 seems to be stripped down (less expensive) 360/50 with subset of standard instruction set ... and scientific ... "its performance on problems for which it is optimized is 30 to 60 percent faster than that of model 50"
http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360/funcChar/A22-6875-5_360-44_funcChar.pdf

A22-6821-0 360 Principles of Operation
http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360/princOps/A22-6821-0_360PrincOps.pdf

I was told folklore about gov IBM case ... where seven dwarfs testified that by the late 50s all those in the computer business realized that the single most important criteria was compatible machine architecture across the line ... greatly simplifying business customers to greatly expand their computer use over time ... and that IBM executives were the only ones able to force individual product line managers to toe the compatible product line. With IBM the only one in the business, able to meet that objective ... IBM would still prevail even if they got lots of other things wrong.

bunch and/or IBM&7dwarfs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BUNCH
http://www.dvorak.org/blog/ibm-and-the-seven-dwarfs-dwarf-one-burroughs/

past posts:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004d.html#22 System/360 40th Anniversary
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005k.html#4 IBM/Watson autobiography--thoughts on?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005k.html#27 IBM/Watson autobiography--thoughts on?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006q.html#60 Was FORTRAN buggy?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007f.html#77 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#42 1960s: IBM mgmt mistrust of SLT for ICs?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010.html#45 360 programs on a z/10
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#14 360 programs on a z/10
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#57 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011h.html#36 Happy 100th Birthday, IBM!
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#12 Selectric Typewriter--50th Anniversary
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#73 Future of COBOL based on RDz policies was Re: RDz or RDzEnterprise developers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#65 Decimation of the valuation of IBM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016e.html#60 Honeywell 200

previous posts in thread
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#23 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#25 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#27 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#28 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#30 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#31 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#32 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#33 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#36 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#37 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#38 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#39 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 18:10:02 -0700
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
Unfortunately, "the greatest good for the greatest number" often translates to "the greatest good for a number of the great".

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#96 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#10 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#19 [CM] What was your first home computer?

past inequality posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#inequality

The members of congress behind the 30s neutrality laws claim they were motivated because of the enormous war profiting they saw in the US during WW1. During the 30s & early 40s, it was industrialist & capitalists spinning it as isolationism ... especially those part of the military-industrial(-congressional) complex
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#submisc.html#military.industrial.complex

John Foster Dulles was major force in rebuilding Germany's industry and military during the 20s & 30s (from the law of unintended consequences, when the 1943 US Strategic Bombing program needed coordinates of German industry and military targets, they got the information from wallstreet)
http://www.amazon.com/Brothers-Foster-Dulles-Allen-Secret-ebook/dp/B00BY5QX1K/

loc865-68:
In mid-1931 a consortium of American banks, eager to safeguard their investments in Germany, persuaded the German government to accept a loan of nearly $500 million to prevent default. Foster was their agent. His ties to the German government tightened after Hitler took power at the beginning of 1933 and appointed Foster's old friend Hjalmar Schacht as minister of economics.

loc905-7:
Foster was stunned by his brother's suggestion that Sullivan & Cromwell quit Germany. Many of his clients with interests there, including not just banks but corporations like Standard Oil and General Electric, wished Sullivan & Cromwell to remain active regardless of political conditions.

loc938-40:
At least one other senior partner at Sullivan & Cromwell, Eustace Seligman, was equally disturbed. In October 1939, six weeks after the Nazi invasion of Poland, he took the extraordinary step of sending Foster a formal memorandum disavowing what his old friend was saying about Nazism
... snip ...

June1940, Germany had a victory celebration at the NYC Waldorf-Astoria with major industrialists. Lots of them were there to hear how to do business with the Nazis (and circumvent the neutrality laws)
http://www.amazon.com/Man-Called-Intrepid-Incredible-Narrative-ebook/dp/B00V9QVE5O/

Later 5000 industrialists from across the US had conference (also) at NYC Waldorf-Astoria and in part because they had gotten such bad reputation for the '29 crash, depression and supporting Nazi Germany, they approved a major propaganda campaign to equate capitalism with Christianity, in part in the early 50s, it leads to "In God We Trust" on money and "under God" in the allegiance.
http://www.amazon.com/One-Nation-Under-God-Corporate-ebook/dp/B00PWX7R56/

... there is also John Faster Dulles playing major role in the Tready of Versailles

The Illusion Of Victory: America In World War I
https://www.amazon.com/Illusion-Victory-America-World-War-ebook/dp/B00AFYVIDO/

loc7495-98:
The war guilt clause pretended this central event never happened. Instead, the document curtly demanded that Germany acknowledge its responsibility "for causing all the loss and damage to which the Allied and Associated governments have been subjected as a consequence of the war imposed on them by the aggression of Germany and its allies."

loc7498:
Compounding the irony, this statement was written by a former Wilson pupil at Princeton (and future secretary of state), John Foster Dulles.
... snip ...

Used for (among other things) justifying allies confiscation of Germany's merchant ships, which Germany was dependent on for importing food, and played a major factor in tens of thousand starvation deaths.

from "Triumphant plutocracy" loc6265-74:
XXX. THE LEAGUE TO PERPETUATE WAR The war has just begun. I said that when the Armistice terms were published and when I read the Treaty and the League Covenant I felt more than ever convinced of the justice of my conclusion. The Treaty of Versailles is merely an armistice -- a suspension of hostilities, while the combatants get their wind. There is a war in every chapter of the Treaty and in every section of the League Covenant; war all over the world; war without end so long as the conditions endure which produce these documents.
... snip ...

perpetual war posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#perpetual.war

and then there is "Smedley Butler"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler
with "War Is a Racket"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket

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MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 20:52:06 -0700
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
when there was still facade that TARP funds would be used to buy Too Big To Fail offbook toxic assets ... the waltham corporation was briefly mentioned in Jan2009 that they would be involved in helping value the offbook toxic assets (they had previously bought the pricing services division from one of the major credit rating agencies, giving rise to some jokes that credit rating agencies didn't really need to know value of things they were rating).

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#27 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

Are Credit Rating Agencies America's Secret Fifth Column?
http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/05/26/are-credit-rating-agencies-americas-secret-fifth-column/
Even a full-blown war with North Korea or Russia could not inflict the damage done to this Country by Moody's, Fitch and S&P. The rating agencies have declared war on the United States and the damage they are inflicting will eventually destroy this Country from within.
... snip ...

Oct2008 congressional hearings into the (significant) role that the credit rating agencies played in the economic mess .... that they were selling triple-A ratings when they knew they weren't worth triple-A.

some (triple-A rated) toxic CDO posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#toxic.cdo

triple-A rating played significant factor in over $27T being done 2001-2008, including being able to sell to entities restricted to only dealing in safe investments (like large pension funds).

rhetoric in congress that the purpose of Sarbanes-Oxley would prevent future ENRONS and guarantee that executives and auditors did jail time, but it required SEC to do something. Possibly because even GAO didn't believe SEC was doing anything, it started doing reports about public company fraudulent financial reports, even showing increase after SOX goes into effect (and nobody doing jail time). Less well known is that SOX also required SEC to do something about rating agencies ... but they appeared to do about the rating agencies as they did about fraudulent financial reports.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#financial.reporting.fraud
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#enron
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#sarbanes.oxley

player in all this, #1 on times list of those responsible for the economic mess
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877339,00.html

and recent posts mentioning rating agencies
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#5 The Champions of the 401(k) Lament the Revolution They Started
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#8 "Too big to fail" was Malicious Cyber Activity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#31 Milton Friedman's Cherished Theory Is Laid to Rest
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#33 Moody's Agrees to Settle Financial Crisis-Era Claims for $864 Million
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#36 Moody's Agrees to Settle Financial Crisis-Era Claims for $864 Million
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#40 The economics of corporate crime
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#50 Finance Is Not the Economy
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#65 Mnuchin Lied About His Bank's History of Robo-Signing Foreclosure Documents
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#76 Avaya: How we arrived at Chapter 11
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#92 Trump's Rollback of the Neoliberal Market State
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#96 Trump, Wall Street and the "banking caucus" ready to rip apart Dodd-Frank
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#97 Trump to sign cyber security order
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#0 Trump to sign cyber security order
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#7 OT: Trump Moves to Roll Back Obama-Era Financial Regulations
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#11 Trump to sign cyber security order
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#12 Trump to sign cyber security order
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#43 when to get out???
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#48 Janet Yellen debunks Trump's case for killing Dodd-Frank
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#50 when to get out???
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#8 Congress just obliterated Obama-era rules preventing ISPs from selling your browsing history
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#67 Economists are arguing over how their profession messed up during the Great Recession. This is what happened
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#38 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#99 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#7 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#24 [CM] What was your first home computer?

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MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 09:42:21 -0700
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
Are Credit Rating Agencies America's Secret Fifth Column?
http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/05/26/are-credit-rating-agencies-americas-secret-fifth-column/

Even a full-blown war with North Korea or Russia could not inflict the damage done to this Country by Moody's, Fitch and S&P. The rating agencies have declared war on the United States and the damage they are inflicting will eventually destroy this Country from within.

... snip ...


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#96 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#10 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#19 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#41 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#42 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

The Limping Middle Class
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/04/opinion/sunday/jobs-will-follow-a-strengthening-of-the-middle-class.html
slouching towards 3rd world country status and return of the robber barons.
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2011/09/04/opinion/04reich-graphic.html?ref=sunday

inequality posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#inequality

Third World America
http://thesovereigninvestor.com/us-economy/third-world-america/
Three interrelated factors cause "Third World-itis": lopsided distribution of income; a government hijacked by the economic elite; and a political focus on stasis rather than change. Together those features form a self-reinforcing engine that moves in one direction only: toward conflict, tyranny and eventual collapse.
... snip ...

The surging ranks of America's ultrapoor
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-surging-ranks-of-americas-ultrapoor/
By one dismal measure, America is joining the likes of Third World countries.
... snip ...

USA: The World's Newest Third World Nation
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/23535-usa-the-worlds-newest-third-world-nation
Six Ways America Is Like a Third-World Country; Our society lags behind the rest of the developed world in education, health care, violence and more
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/six-ways-america-is-like-a-third-world-country-20140305
U.S. students' academic achievement still lags that of their peers in many other countries
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/15/u-s-students-internationally-math-science/
The World's Most Reputable Countries 2016: U.S. Ranks 28th - Forbes
https://www.forbes.com/sites/karstenstrauss/2016/06/24/the-worlds-most-reputable-countries-2016-u-s-a-ranks-28th/

Why Nations Fail ... has frequent/general "inequality" examples that are also cited in above articles
http://www.amazon.com/Why-Nations-Fail-Prosperity-ebook/dp/B0058Z4NR8

past posts mentioning "Why Nations Fail"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012e.html#31 PC industry is heading for more change
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012e.html#34 The never-ending SCO lawsuit
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012e.html#35 The Dallas Fed Is Calling For The Immediate Breakup Of Large Banks
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012e.html#36 The never-ending SCO lawsuit
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012e.html#57 speculation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012e.html#60 Candid Communications & Tweaking Curiosity, Tools to Consider
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012e.html#70 Disruptive Thinkers: Defining the Problem
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012f.html#2 Did they apply Boyd's concepts?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012f.html#32 Back to the future: convict labor returns to America
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012f.html#70 The Army and Special Forces: The Fantasy Continues
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012f.html#80 The Failure of Central Planning
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012f.html#84 How do you feel about the fact that India has more employees than US?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#10 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#15 Imbecilic Constitution
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#85 Naked emperors, holy cows and Libor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012j.html#81 GBP13tn: hoard hidden from taxman by global elite
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012k.html#7 Is there a connection between your strategic and tactical assertions?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012k.html#42 The IBM "Open Door" policy
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012k.html#45 If all of the American earned dollars hidden in off shore accounts were uncovered and taxed do you think we would be able to close the deficit gap?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#17 Cultural attitudes towards failure
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012m.html#29 Cultural attitudes towards failure
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012m.html#34 General Mills computer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012m.html#39 General Mills computer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012n.html#83 Protected: R.I.P. Containment
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#71 Is orientation always because what has been observed? What are your 'direct' experiences?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012p.html#44 Search Google, 1960:s-style
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#39 copyright protection/Doug Englebart
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#40 copyright protection/Doug Englebart
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#69 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#72 Versailles on the Potomac at it again
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014e.html#61 Before the Internet: The golden age of online services
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#84 LEO
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#62 Future of support for telephone rotary dial ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#49 Corporate malfeasance
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#38 Qbasic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016e.html#123 E.R. Burroughs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#32 Star Trek (was Re: TV show Mannix observations)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#10 [CM] What was your first home computer?

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 10:19:09 -0700
jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
That's why a political system which balances freedom with equality and equality with freedom is the most productive. The laws supporting capitalism in this kind of political environment will allow its population to produce the most wealth.

example from "Why Nations Fail" ... recent reference
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#43 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

was the US Patent system was created to promote innovation and change and protect the individual innovator from large institutions intent on preserving the status quo. However, the US Patent system has been subverted by large institutions to control innovation and preserve status quo.

Along with business schools teaching MBAs to protect postion and control markets (preserve status quo and inhibit change).

inequality
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#inequality

The Price of Inequality: How Today's Divided Society Endangers Our Future (Joseph E. Stiglitz) pg35/loc1169-73
In business school we teach students how to recognize, and create, barriers to competition -- including barriers to entry -- that help ensure that profits won't be eroded. Indeed, as we shall shortly see, some of the most important innovations in business in the last three decades have centered not on making the economy more efficient but on how better to ensure monopoly power or how better to circumvent government regulations intended to align social returns and private rewards.
... snip ...

Freefall: America, Free Markets, and the Sinking of the World Economy (Joseph E. Stiglitz) pg271/loc5101-4
Standard economic theory (the neoclassical model discussed earlier in this chapter) has had little to say about innovation, even though most of the increases in U.S. standards of living in the past hundred years have come from technical progress.56 As I noted earlier, just as "information" was outside the old models, so too was innovation
... snip ...

In Boyd briefings in the early 80s, he would comment that former military officers, steeped in rigid, top-down, command&control (with only those at the very top knew what they were doing) were starting to contaminate corporate culture. However about the same time (early 80s), articles were starting to appear that MBAs were starting to destroy US businesses

which corresponds to this pivot point in inequality
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2011/09/04/opinion/04reich-graphic.html?ref=sunday

Boyd posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subboyd.html

not just MBAs, but also economists, Milton Friedman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman
Friedman promoted an alternative macroeconomic viewpoint known as "monetarism", and argued that a steady, small expansion of the money supply was the preferred policy.[12] His ideas concerning monetary policy, taxation, privatization and deregulation influenced government policies, especially during the 1980s.
... snip ...

Milton Friedman's Cherished Theory Is Laid to Rest
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-01-12/milton-friedman-s-cherished-theory-is-laid-to-rest
The Champions of the 401(k) Lament the Revolution They Started
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-champions-of-the-401-k-lament-the-revolution-they-started-1483382348?mod=e2fb
Economists and the Powerful: Convenient Theories, Distorted Facts, Ample Rewards
http://www.amazon.com/Economists-Powerful-Convenient-Distorted-ebook/dp/B009K44OW2

Kahneman (a psychologist) gets Nobel prize in economics, in part for debunking some cherished economic theories.

recent posts mentioning Friedman:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#17 Destruction of the Middle Class
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#24 Destruction of the Middle Class
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#26 Milton Friedman's Cherished Theory Is Laid to Rest
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#29 Milton Friedman's Cherished Theory Is Laid to Rest
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#31 Milton Friedman's Cherished Theory Is Laid to Rest
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#34 If economists want to be trusted again, they should learn to tell jokes
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#92 Trump's Rollback of the Neoliberal Market State
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#93 The Undoing Project: A Friendship That Changed Our Minds Kindle Edition
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#97 Trump to sign cyber security order
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#101 Trump to sign cyber security order
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#102 Trump to sign cyber security order
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#104 Trump to sign cyber security order
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#11 Trump to sign cyber security order
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#16 Trump to sign cyber security order
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#17 Trump to sign cyber security order
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#24 Disorder
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#25 Trump to sign cyber security order
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#26 Virtualization's Past Helps Explain Its Current Importance
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#43 when to get out???
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#0 Locking our own orientation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#65 Paging subsystems in the era of bigass memory
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#67 Economists are arguing over how their profession messed up during the Great Recession. This is what happened
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#77 Trump delay of the 'fiduciary rule' will cost retirement savers $3.7 billion
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#89 Understanding decisions: The power of combining psychology and economics
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#93 United Air Lines - an OODA-loop perspective
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#96 Cognitive Bias Codex, 2016
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#7 Arthur Laffer's Theory on Tax Cuts Comes to Life Once More
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#44 [CM] cheap money, was What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#96 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#99 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#8 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#16 Conservatives and Spending
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#42 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 11:06:58 -0700
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
which corresponds to this pivot point in inequality
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2011/09/04/opinion/04reich-graphic.html?ref=sunday

Boyd posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subboyd.html

not just MBAs, but also economisc, Milton Friedman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman

Friedman promoted an alternative macroeconomic viewpoint known as "monetarism", and argued that a steady, small expansion of the money supply was the preferred policy.[12] His ideas concerning monetary policy, taxation, privatization and deregulation influenced government policies, especially during the 1980s.

... snip ...


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#44 [CM] What was your first home computer?

also in the 80s, VP and former CIA director repeatedly claims no knowledge of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair
because he was fulltime administration point person deregulating financial industry ... creating S&L crisis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savings_and_loan_crisis
along with other members of his family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savings_and_loan_crisis#Silverado_Savings_and_Loan
and another
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE0D81E3BF937A25753C1A966958260

another family member (bush2) then presides over the economic mess 70 times larger than the S&L crisis. S&L crisis had 1000 criminal convictions with jailtime, proportionally the economic mess should have 70,000.

other trivia: because the industry had gotten such a bad reputation during the S&L crisis, the industry changes its name to "private equity" and "junk bonds" becomes "high yield bonds"

S&L ciris posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#s&l.crisis
private-equity posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#private.equity

as an aside, by the early 90s, more things did start to leak about Iran/Contra
https://www.amazon.com/Profiteers-Bechtel-Men-Built-World-ebook/dp/B010MHAHV2/

loc2752-54:
Pollard had accidentally "busted the most secret White House operation of modern times," as one account put it. "Neither Pollard nor the government of Israel was aware that they had smashed George Bush's first shipment of arms to Iran."
... snip ...

other trivia: Iran Elected leader was going to review the Anglo-Persion contracts ... CIA Confirms Role in 1953 Iran Coup
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB435/
including
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermit_Roosevelt,_Jr.
in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
and to help keep the Shah stay in power, US (including Norman Schwarzkopf senior) trained
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK

after the Iran revolt against the Shah and SAVAK, the US was supporting Iraq in the iran/iraq war
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War
including supplying WMDs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war

Last decade the bush2 administration (besides the economic mess) justifies invasion of Iraq because they supported Al Quada. They then changed the justification to WMDs and the invasion would only cost $50B. However, Iraq had already provided proof that they had decommissioned the WMDs ... through White House chief of staff Card's cousing at the UN.

The decommissioned WMDs (tracing back to the US) had been found early in the invasion, but the information was classified until fall of 2014
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html

perpetual war posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#perpetual.war
and miltiar-industrial(-congressional) complex
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex

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MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 17:21:01 -0700
Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> writes:
I assume that this was if you used a search feature built into the channel/drive. What if you rewrote stuff to use supposedly less efficient methods? (Maybe having the program implement its searching or calling a procedure that implemented the searching.) What would have been the result?

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#28 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

search operation tied up the device, controller, and channel ... constantly accessing processor storage for the search argument for each compare.

RDBMS has index ... but as system processor memory size was greatly increasing, it was possible to cache index in memory and find items significantly faster with higher throughput ... than having purely linear sequential on-disk search for every time needed to load item (scales badly as size of directory increases) i.e.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#37 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

partway was done with introduction of "sectors" on 3330, for known track layout and known record location, the channel program would have set-sector that would disconnect from the channel until the sector location, presumably just in front of the record that matched the search argument.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#39 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

eventually IBM introduced index-based PDSE ... to address the enormous PDS director sequential search penalty every time a member has to be loaded
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/zosbasics/com.ibm.zos.zconcepts/zconcepts_166.htm

The directory can expand automatically as needed, up to the addressing limit of 522,236 members. It also has an index, which provides a fast search for member names. Space from deleted or moved members is automatically reused for new members, so you do not have to compress a PDSE to remove wasted space. Each member of a PDSE can have up to 15,728,639 records. A PDSE can have a maximum of 123 extents, but it cannot extend beyond one volume. When a directory of a PDSE is in use, it is kept in processor storage for fast access.

... snip ...

PDS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_set_(IBM_mainframe)#Partitioned_data_sets
PDSE and PDS Differences
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.idad400/d4289.htm

CKD, FBA, multi-track search, etc
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#dasd

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MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 17:28:21 -0700
Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> writes:
No, actually the 44 was quite different than the /50. It was not microcoded! The reduced instruction set was all hardwired. They left out all decimal and character instructions. It was designed for process control and scientific computing. it had special direct I/O interfaces, and you could put two cartridge disks inside the CPU cabinet. Yes, the /44 is compared to the /50, but it is in no way a derivative of the /50 hardware architecture. There was an exception handler that would allow generic 360 programs to run on the /44.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#40 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

some past description of 360/75 is 360/65 with hardwired instructions but same memory subsystems

30 funct characteristics
http://bitsavers.com/pdf/ibm/360/funcChar/GA24-3231-7_360-30_funcChar.pdf
orig 2msec/memory, later 1.5msec memory, 1byte fetch/store

40 funct characteristics
http://bitsavers.com/pdf/ibm/360/funcChar/A22-6881-2_360-40_funcChar.pdf
2.5msec memory with 2byte fetch/store

44 funct characteristics
http://bitsavers.com/pdf/ibm/360/funcChar/A22-6875-5_360-44_funcChar.pdf
1msec memory with 4byte fetch/store

50 funct characteristics
http://bitsavers.com/pdf/ibm/360/funcChar/A22-6898-1_360-50_funcChar_1967.pdf
2msec memory with 4byte fetch/store

360/44 has 4byte wide data paths like 360/50, but with 1mic memory (instead of 2mic memory)

following doesn't have 360/44
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_System/360#Table_of_System.2F360_models
360/30, 29kips, 1.3mbyte/sec cpu bandwidth, 0.7mbyte/sec memory bandwidth 360/40, 75kips, 3.2mbyte/sec cpu bandwidth, 0.8mbyte/sec memory bandwidth 360/50, 168kips, 8mbyte/sec cpu bandwidth, 2.0mbyte/sec memory bandwidth

claim of 360/44 having 1.3-1.6 times performance of 360/50 for scientific is combination of memory twice as fast and hardwired rather mcode instruction.

other posts in thread
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#23 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#25 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#27 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#28 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#30 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#31 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#32 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#33 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#36 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#37 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#38 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#39 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#42 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#43 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 18:32:03 -0700
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#41 [CM] What was your first home computer?
and
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#99 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#102 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#7 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#19 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#45 [CM] What was your first home computer?

more posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#perpetual.war

The Wars In Iraq And Afghanistan Have Cost The U.S. $6 Trillion
http://warnewsupdates.blogspot.com/2017/05/the-wars-in-iraq-and-afghanistan-have.html
Iraq and Afghanistan: The U.S. $6T Bill for America's Longest War Is Unpaid
http://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2017/05/26/iraq_and_afghanistan_the_us6_trillion_bill_is_unpaid_111462.html
The enormous figure reflects not just the cost of fighting -- like guns, trucks and fuel -- but also the long-term cost of providing medical care and disability compensation for decades beyond the end of the conflict. Consider the fact that benefits for World War I veterans didn't peak until 1969. For World War II veterans, the peak came in 1986. Payments for Vietnam-era vets are still climbing.

The high rates of injuries and increased survival rates in Iraq and Afghanistan mean that over half the 2.5 million who served there suffered some degree of disability. Their health care and disability benefits alone will easily cost $1 trillion in coming decades.

... snip ...

military-industrial(-congressional) complex
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex

note last decade, the military-industrial complex wanted the invasion so badly that corporate reps were telling former Soviet block countries that if they voted for the invasion in the UN, they would get USAID (that could only be spent on US arms) and membership in NATO.
http://www.amazon.com/Prophets-War-Lockheed-Military-Industrial-ebook/dp/B0047T86BA

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 19:36:41 -0700
hancock4 writes:
One measure of the disparity is the difference in earnings between the lowest and highest employee of a company.

early 80s, Boyd briefings included claiming that US corporate culture was being contaminated by former military officers that were steeped in rigid, top-down command&control culture (with only those at the top knowing what they are doing) ... but about the same time, articles about MBAs, destroying US businesses.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#45 What was your first home computer?

Boyd posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subboyd.html
inequality posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#inequality

US ratio of executive to worker compensation was 20:1 for a long time (and 10:1 in much of the rest of the world) ... but idea that only those at the very top know what they are doing, helps justify the ratio exploding to 400:1.

graph
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2011/09/04/opinion/04reich-graphic.html?ref=sunday

older posts mentioning ratio of executive:worker compensation exploding to 400:1
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#73 Should The CEO Have the Lowest Pay In Senior Management?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008j.html#24 To: Graymouse -- Ireland and the EU, What in the H... is all this about?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008j.html#76 lack of information accuracy
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008k.html#71 Cormpany sponsored insurance
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#25 Taxes
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#33 Taxes
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#53 Are family businesses unfair competition?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#93 What do you think are the top characteristics of a good/effective leader in an organization? Do you feel these characteristics are learned or innate to an individual?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#2 Blinkylights
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#58 Traditional Approach Won't Take Businesses Far Places
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008q.html#14 realtors (and GM, too!)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008q.html#17 realtors (and GM, too!)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008r.html#61 The vanishing CEO bonus
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#5 Greed - If greed was the cause of the global meltdown then why does the biz community appoint those who so easily succumb to its temptations?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#41 Executive pay: time for a trim?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#44 Executive pay: time for a trim?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#50 Greed Is
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#80 Are reckless risks a natural fallout of "excessive" executive compensation ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#25 The recently revealed excesses of John Thain, the former CEO of Merrill Lynch, while the firm was receiving $25 Billion in TARP funds makes me sick
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#41 The subject is authoritarian tendencies in corporate management, and how they are related to political culture
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#3 Congress Set to Approve Pay Cap of $500,000
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#73 Most 'leaders' do not 'lead' and the majority of 'managers' do not 'manage'. Why is this?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#2 CEO pay sinks - Wall Street Journal/Hay Group survey results just released
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#44 What TARP means for the future of executive pay
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#37 Young Developers Get Old Mainframers' Jobs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#48 Opinions on the 'Unix Haters' Handbook
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#8 search engine history, was Happy DEC-10 Day
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#39 Agile Workforce
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#33 The 2010 Census
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010m.html#62 Dodd-Frank Act Makes CEO-Worker Pay Gap Subject to Disclosure
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010m.html#67 Idiotic programming style edicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#22 60 Minutes News Report:Unemployed for over 99 weeks!
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#59 They always think we don't understand
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#66 They always think we don't understand
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#71 They always think we don't understand
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#10 OODA in highly stochastic environments

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MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 10:09:27 -0700
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
Yes. Multics was an operating system for the GE 625 and/or 645, I believe.

some of the CTSS people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compatible_Time-Sharing_System

went to the 5th flr to do multics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multics

and others went to the IBM science center on the 4th flr
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech

MULTICS project was single-level store, page-mapped filesystem, virtual memory segments. IBM bid modified 360 and lost out to GE bid machine with those hardware features (as "standard product")
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GE-645
The 645 was a modified 635 processor that provided hardware support for the Multics operating system developed at MIT.
... snip ...

a lot more history
http://multicians.org/index.html
and
http://multicians.org/history.html
Multics ran on specialized expensive CPU hardware that provided a segmented, paged, ring-structured virtual memory. The supervisor implemented symmetric multiprocessing with shared physical and virtual memory. Standard Honeywell mainframe peripherals and memory were used. The operating system was programmed in PL/I.
... snip ...

the science center thot it would be the focus for the MIT bid and also center for virtual memory expertise. A lot more history details here
http://www.leeandmelindavarian.com/Melinda/neuvm.pdf
So, only weeks after his arrival in Cambridge, Rasmussen had to deal with MIT's very negative reaction to System/360. Within days of the System/360 announcement, the chief S/360 architect, Gene Amdahl, came to Cambridge to meet with Professor Corbato and his colleagues, but that meeting seems only to have made matters worse. As a loyal IBMer, Rasmussen was deeply embarrassed by IBM's failure to heed the advice of such an important customer, and he became determined to make things right, to do whatever was necessary to make System/360 right for MIT and other customers.
...
The machine that IBM proposed to Project MAC was a S/360 that had been modified to include the "Blaauw Box". This machine was also bid to Bell Labs at about the same time. It was never built, however, because both MIT and Bell Labs chose another vendor. MIT's stated reason for rejecting IBM's bid was that it wanted a processor that was a main-line product, so that others could readily acquire a machine on which to run Multics. It was generally believed, however, that displeasure with IBM's attitude toward time-sharing was a factor in Project MAC's decision. Losing Project MAC and Bell Labs had important consequences for IBM.
... snip ...

IBM eventually does come out with 360/67 but too late. I refer to standard TSS/360 product for 360/67 at one point had something like 1200 at a time when science center had 12 people doing cp/67-cms.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#25 MVS vs HASP vs JES (was 2821)

being in same bldg only one flr apart there was some rivalry ... also would see each other frequently for lunch ... in lunch room on 1st flr of 545 tech sq ... or other places along main street or down in central sq or harvard sq.

more multics history
http://multicians.org/history.html
Elliott Organick's book, The Multics System, an Examination of its Structure, describes the system as it was in about 1968. MIT started providing timesharing service on Multics to users in fall of 1969. GE sold the next system to the US Air Force, and the military use of Multics led to some of the system's security features. Honeywell sold more systems to government, and to auto makers, universities, and commercial data processing services.
... snip ...

Much later I post in multics usenet some old email about USAF coming by looking for 20 4341s, but it then grew to 120 4341s
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001m.html#email790404
in this post
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001m.html#12 Multics Nostalgia

much more drift, this also mentions that MULTICS shipped (first commercial) RDBMS product before IBM did
http://multicians.org/history.html

Codd was at San Jose Research which did the first SQL/relational product, system/R implementing on VM370 370/145 ... some past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#systemr

there was heavy opposition inside IBM to RDBMS ... which was all involved in implementing the next mainstream DBMS product (code-name) "EAGLE". While the rest of IBM was pre-occupied with "EAGLE", we (by this time I had transferred to SJR) managed to do tech transfer ("under the radar") to Endicott and release as SQL/DS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_SQL/DS

Later when "EAGLE" implodes, there is request for how fast System/R (SQL/DS) can be ported to MVS. It is eventually released as DB2, initially for decision support only:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_DB2

Even later, when we are working on HA/CMP cluster scaleup ...
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hacmp
referenced here in this Jan1992 meeting with Oracle in ellison's conference room
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/95.html#13

The oracle EVP in the meeting, mentions that when he was at (IBM) STL he did the SQL/DS technology transfer from Endicott back to STL for DB2. However, within a few weeks of the Ellison meeting, cluster scaleup was transferred to Kingston, announced as IBM supercomputer (for technical and scientific *ONLY*), and we were told we couldn't work on anything with more than four processors. Possibly contributing to the decision was that the (mainframe) DB2 group was claiming (complaining) that if we (HA/CMP) were allowed to proceed, we would be at least five years ahead of them. related old email
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#medusa

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 11:42:16 -0700
hancock4 writes:
Unfortunately, industrial change has been going on for decades. In the 1970s, automation killed a lot of jobs, and was tough on older guys. Heck, after year 2000, a lot of mainframers found themselves out of work.

was starting earlier resulting in IBM going into the red in the early 90s. IBM was being reorged into the 13 "baby blues" in preparation for breaking up the company ... the board then brings in the former president of AMEX to reverse the breakup and resurrect the company
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#gerstner

In the mid-90s, I saw references to IBMers in (mainframe) pok sending out email about would the last person to leave POK, please turn out the lights. a couple old posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011p.html#52 Has anyone successfully migrated off mainframes?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#57 How will mainframers retiring be different from Y2K?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#47 Making mainframe technology hip again

it reminded me of the seattle billboard in the early 70s by some boeing employee, would the last person to leave seattle turn out the lights ... boeing was going through downturn and laying off people.

trivia: I had been brought into boeing in the late 60s to help form boeing computer services (consolidate dataprocessing in an independent business unit to better monetize the investment).

some past posts mentiong in late 80s, senior disk enginneer gave a talk at communication group conference about the communication group was going to be responsible for the demise of disk division (seeing data fleeing mainframe datacenters to more distributed computing friendly platforms with drop in disk sales)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#terminal

however, there was a temporary spike in the late 90s with remaining mainframe customers for Y2k remediation ... but in the US it was in competition with internet bubble for people ... and as a result a lot of (one time) Y2K remediation was being outsourced overseas. However, after the start of the century the internet bubble burst and offshore Y2K remediation continued with other projects. That downturn finally started to focus on how much was being done offshore.

some posts mentioning Y2K remediation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#21 Roads as Runways Was: Re: BA Solves Y2K (Was: Re: Chinese Solve Y2K)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#22 Roads as Runways Was: Re: BA Solves Y2K (Was: Re: Chinese Solve Y2K)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#23 Roads as Runways Was: Re: BA Solves Y2K (Was: Re: Chinese Solve Y2K)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#24 BA Solves Y2K (Was: Re: Chinese Solve Y2K)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#27 Roads as Runways Was: Re: BA Solves Y2K (Was: Re: Chinese
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#44 Internet and/or ARPANET?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#78 Mainframes Relevant?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#214 Ask about Certification-less Public Key
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004b.html#2 The SOB that helped IT jobs move to India is dead!
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004f.html#39 Who said "The Mainframe is dead"?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004o.html#66 Integer types for 128-bit addressing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005.html#20 I told you ... everybody is going to Dalian,China
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005s.html#16 Is a Hurricane about to hit IBM ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#21 Taxes
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006s.html#40 Ranking of non-IBM mainframe builders?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#7 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#39 India is outsourcing jobs as well
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#26 The new urgency to fix online privacy
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#36 Students mostly not ready for math, science college courses
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#19 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008f.html#81 Is IT becoming extinct?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#65 How do you manage your value statement?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#27 VMware Chief Says the OS Is History
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008q.html#55 Can outsourcing be stopped?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#2 IBM 'pulls out of US'
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#9 Why are z/OS people reluctant to use z/OS UNIX?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009k.html#18 A Complete History Of Mainframe Computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009l.html#37 Disksize history question
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#37 Young Developers Get Old Mainframers' Jobs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#63 U.S. students behind in math, science, analysis says
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#67 I would like to understand the professional job market in US. Is it shrinking?

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 12:17:36 -0700
hancock4 writes:
Where does ISIS get the money to pay for materiel, propaganda outreach, and its fighters?

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#48 [CM] What was your first home computer?

1) they captured oil fields and making money off oil

ISIS is making up to $50M a month from oil sales
http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-making-50-million-a-month-from-oil-sales-2015-10

and 2) Fareed this morning had segment on Saudi Arabia is supporting world wide wahhabism ... which is "extreme" version of Islam ... including ISIS. There seems to be a conflict here, lot of Wahhabi seems to be anti-Saudi gov because of their relationships with the US & the west, but also claims that Saudi money for Wahhabi is bribes/tributes to take their activities elsewhere.

Fareed also had something like 96% of world-wide extreme Islam terrorism is Wahhabi related and that Iran is one of the major forces fighting Wahhabi extremism (highlighting US war on terror supporting saudi and opposing Iran).

You Can't Understand ISIS If You Don't Know the History of Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/isis-wahhabism-saudi-arabia_b_5717157.html

Also some misc. items about enormous funds being pumped into the two wars. There was also graph that the current annual DOD budget is something like $100B more than the combined spending of the next eight countries combined.

There was recent claim that there are now more (US) military contractors (mercenaries) in Afghanistan than US soldiers.

2010 CBO report had that after congress allows fiscal responsibility act (spending couldn't exceed tax revenue) to lapse in 2002, there was enormous cut in tax revenue (first time taxes were cut to not pay for two wars) and enormous increase in total spending for a $12T budget gap compared to fiscal responsibility act
http://www.garic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#fiscal.responsiblity.act

part of the 2010 CBO report for 2002-2009 increase in DOD spending ... was over a trillion dollars that couldn't be accounted for. This was totally separate from increase in DOD spending that went to the two wars ... including tens of billions in pallets of shrink wrapped $100 bills that were air lifted to pay for bribes & tributes during the "surge" to pay for reducing violance ... as well as huge amount involved in enormous corruption.

perpetual war
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#perpetual.war
for the miltiar-industrial(-congressional) complex
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex

Rumsfeld white house chief of staff (74-75). CIA director wasn't agreeing with "TEAM B" analysis justifying huge increase in DOD spending Rumsfeld then replaces CIA director with somebody that would go along with Team B analysis (aka bush1) and then becomes SECDEF (75-77), and replaced by one of his staffers, Dick Cheney. He is again SECDEF 2001-2006
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Rumsfeld

When Rumsfeld was white house chief of staff 74-75, Cheney was on his staff. Cheney then becomes white house chief of staff when Rumsfeld becomes SECDEF. Cheney is then SECDEF from 89-93 and VP 2001-2009
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney

How Private Contractors Have Created a Shadow NSA; A new cybersecurity elite moves between government and private practice, taking state s ecrets with them (also references oil rig company that was transformed into one of the largest defense contractors after former SECDEF and future VP becomes CEO, including enormous no-bid contracts in Iraq)
http://www.thenation.com/article/how-private-contractors-have-created-shadow-nsa/

another former "Team B" member
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wolfowitz
He is a leading neoconservative.[4] As Deputy Secretary of Defense, he was "a major architect of President Bush's Iraq policy and ... its most hawkish advocate."[5] In fact, "the Bush Doctrine was largely [his] handiwork."
... snip ...

Team B posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#team.b

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 15:01:06 -0700
Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> writes:
A significant part, probably the majority of US big corporations have been in a spiral to the bottom for a few decades. Delivering the same, more or less shitty products at lower prices, and getting market control to captivate parts of the markets.

part of this is myopic focus on preserving the status quo ... and only focusing on increasing profits while not making any other substantive change
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#44 [CM] What was your first home computer?

then a major consideration is reducing worker compensation (while increasing executive compensation). other recent refs:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#54 Why the Pursuit of Shareholder Value Kills Innovation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#90 Old hardware
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#93 United Air Lines - an OODA-loop perspective
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#97 IBM revenue has fallen for 20 quarters -- but it used to run its business very differently

graph with pivot point in early 80s, also corresponds to boyd's comment about former military officers contaminating corporate culture, MBAs destroying US businesses, and Milton Friedman's influence
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2011/09/04/opinion/04reich-graphic.html?ref=sunday

past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#inequality

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 15:41:46 -0700
"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
More to the point, payments for vets will increase regardless of whether they were in a war. Military service is what qualifies you for the benefits, not getting shot at.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#48 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#52 [CM] What was your first home computer?

after the fall of the wall, there supposedly was suppose to be a "peace dividend" ... reduction in the enormous DOD budget (including reduction in number in military service). There was significant push back from the military-industrial complex because that would serious hit their profit. They really needed "perpetual war" to maintain their profits
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#perpetual.war

and fabricating justification for the Iraq invasion and corporate reps lobbying former soviet block countries with promises of NATO membership an USAID (that could only be spent on US military equipment).
http://www.amazon.com/Prophets-War-Lockheed-Military-Industrial-ebook/dp/B0047T86BA

the perpetual war churns through large number of service personnel as well as modern medicine saving lots of lives that results in long term disability costs.

Iraq and Afghanistan: The U.S. $6T Bill for America's Longest War Is Unpaid
http://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2017/05/26/iraq_and_afghanistan_the_us6_trillion_bill_is_unpaid_111462.html
The enormous figure reflects not just the cost of fighting -- like guns, trucks and fuel -- but also the long-term cost of providing medical care and disability compensation for decades beyond the end of the conflict. Consider the fact that benefits for World War I veterans didn't peak until 1969. For World War II veterans, the peak came in 1986. Payments for Vietnam-era vets are still climbing.

The high rates of injuries and increased survival rates in Iraq and Afghanistan mean that over half the 2.5 million who served there suffered some degree of disability. Their health care and disability benefits alone will easily cost $1 trillion in coming decades.

... snip ...

One of the issues is that VA benefits are starting to hit DOD funds that impact what is available to the military-industrial complex ... and they've started lobbying for reduction in VA benefits (so there is more to line their pockets).
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex

Part of it resulted in significant underfunding of VA hospitals to provide service to military personnel (from the current perpetual wars). Distraction of wait times being fudged is in large part obfuscation ... because the underlying real problem is not funding enough people and faciities to provide for the big increase in need.

I've mentioned before about VA eventually got some funding for PTSD ... and put out requests effectively for every mental healt care professional in the country (having not been increasing staff on continuous basis since the start of the perpetual wars). In the mean time they have been treating PTSD with heavy drug dosages ... that are nearly impossible to get off and may now be on for the rest of the lives (with the drug industry not exactly a disinterested party). Previous posts mentioning VA mental health card
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015d.html#76 Greedy Banks Nailed With $5 BILLION+ Fine For Fraud And Corruption
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#110 The Koch-Fueled Plot to Destroy the VA
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#16 House GOP appallingly votes to conceal cost of Obamacare repeal to taxpayers

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

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Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 17:31:14 -0700
JimP. <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
And the U.S. has a very long supply train. From what I have read, 1 infantry man on the front line was served by 10 in the supply chain behind him. Of course, some in the supply train steal and the front line troops don't get the gear they should. Winter boots not getting to the front lines during the Battle of the Bulge is but one instance.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#48 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#52 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#54 [CM] What was your first home computer?

members of congress behind the neutrality laws (before WW2) claims it was because of the enormous (US) war profiteering they saw before and during WW1.

recent reference to WW1
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#41 [CM] What was your first home computer?

The Illusion Of Victory: America In World War I
https://www.amazon.com/Illusion-Victory-America-World-War-ebook/dp/B00AFYVIDO/

loc3430-31:
The Shipping Board had spent a half billion dollars and had yet to launch a ship; the aircraft program had spent even more and had yet to put a single plane in the sky.

recruits were dieing of exposure in the US, loc3667-69:
found the four American divisions in Lorraine unprepared for the harsh conditions. Still in summer uniforms, the men shivered in unheated barns and attics of farmhouses as the temperature sank to seven below zero. Some soldiers started calling it their Valley Forge winter. They were baffled—and sometimes angry by the way their country had seemingly abandoned them.
... with regard to US having to make do with cast off French planes, loc4674-77:
For Theodore Roosevelt, his son's death had a very different meaning. Quentin had died flying a second-rate French plane, because Woodrow Wilson's administration had refused to prepare for war and after war was declared the president's appointees had failed to produce a single aircraft, in spite of spending almost a billion dollars. There was only one way to give Quentin's death meaning. Woodrow Wilson had to die an equivalent political death. His presidency must be -- and would be -- destroyed.
... snip ...

even back then, billions disappearing into miltiary-industrial(-congressional) complex with little or nothing to show for it
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex

akin to how well congress anticipated the necessity to fund VA hospitals for the big increase in returning soldiers.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#54 What was your first home computer?

US corporations were supporting Nazis in the 20s & 30s ... then 5000 industrialists at conference at NYC Waldof-Astoria approved a major propaganda campaign to equate capitalism with Christianity (because of the bad reputation they got for the depression and supporting the Nazis) ... in the early 50s, leads to "In God We Trust" added to money and "under God" added to the pledge of allegiance.
http://www.amazon.com/One-Nation-Under-God-Corporate-ebook/dp/B00PWX7R56/

Earlier they had been at a German victory celebration held at the NYC Waldorf-Astoria in June1940 to hear about how to do business with the Nazis (and circumvent the neutrality laws)
http://www.amazon.com/Man-Called-Intrepid-Incredible-Narrative-ebook/dp/B00V9QVE5O/

In WW2, there are accounts about how badly logistics were performing in Europe. Beetle: The Life of General Walter Bedell Smith

pg319/loc6373-74:
Smith agreed with Clark: the logistical problems in ETO derived from a faulty command structure that conferred too much authority on Lee.

pg616/loc12170-71:
If that situation held true on the Continent, it would represent a world turned upside down, where the logisticians, not the commanders, dictated the pace of operations. In early May they had a long talk with Eisenhower, trying to convince him to remove Lee.
... snip ...

With regard to Battle of the Bulge ... Patton had suggested to just let Germans advance to the outskirts of Paris (w/o opposition) and the Germans would outrun their supply lines ... and then it would be possible to easily role them up with little effort. Eisenhower claimed that wouldn't be political expediate. The plan then was for Patton to attack one side of the base of the bulge while Montgomery attacked the other side (cutting them off). Montgomery failed to get into position and most of the Germans managed to escape.

Boyd is credited with the (land war) Desert Storm battle plan and the "left hook" to cut off retreating forces including the Republican Guard. There are various excuses now why the force that was suppose to cut off the retreat failed to get into position.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subboyd.html

McMaster's book is very critical of the Vietnam war ... basically advisors didn't see US could win (wasn't military issue) ... but it would be worse position in world opinion if didn't try.
https://www.amazon.com/Dereliction-Duty-Johnson-McNamara-Chiefs-ebook/dp/B004HW7834/

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 21:01:25 -0700
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
even back then, billions disappearing into miltiary-industrial(-congressional) complex with little or nothing to show for it
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#97 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#99 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#102 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#104 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#105 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#4 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#7 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#17 5 Naval Battles That Changed History Forever
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#41 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#45 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#48 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#52 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#54 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#55 [CM] What was your first home computer?

America's military is built to help defense contractors, not troops
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-brooks-beehner-military-procurement-20170524-story.html
Greed and incompetence have always infected the equipment of armies. The term "shoddy" comes from the flimsy, mass-produced shoes that "shod" our troops during the Civil War. When President Eisenhower warned against the military-industrial complex, he foresaw a new age of collusion between politicians, defense contractors and those who wear the stars. It was bad enough during the Cold War, but the dysfunction is even worse now. Consider that of the 63 largest Pentagon programs at the moment, 50 are over budget by $296 billion.
... snip ...

that doesn't include over trillion increase in DOD budget 2003-2009 that CBO couldn't find anything to account for ... or the tens of billions in pallets of shrink-wrapped $100 bills airlifted to Iraq.

past posts mention airlifted pallets of shrink-wrapped $100 bills
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#67 U.S. can't account for $8.7 billion of Iraq's money: audit
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#97 What a Caveman Can Teach You About Strategy
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#86 A Matter of Mindset: Iraq, Sequestration and the U.S. Army
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#65 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#51 What Makes collecting sales taxes Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#68 The Pentagon Spent $2.7 Billion on an Intelligence System That Doesn't Work
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#76 Pentagon remains stubbornly unable to account for its billions
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#50 Thanks Obama
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#12 Thanks Obama
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#50 A National Infrastructure Program Is a Smart Idea We Won't Do Because We Are Dysfunctional
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#110 The Koch-Fueled Plot to Destroy the VA
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016e.html#11 "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#48 Report: Nearly $5 Trillion Spent on Iraq and Afghanistan Wars So Far
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#40 Stop Believing in the Many Myths of the Iraq Surge
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#42 Profitable Companies, No Taxes: Here's How They Did It
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#13 The Pentagon still uses computer software from 1958 to manage its contracts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#1 How Desert Storm Destroyed the US Military

federal gov saw huge uptick in outsourcing last decade, mercenaries, etc. OPM was outsourced to one of the private-equity owned subsidiaries. opm contractor owner also with contracts in iraq
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/06/24/opm-contractor-veritas/
and other Iraq private contractors (with no-bid contracts)
http://www.thenation.com/article/how-private-contractors-have-created-shadow-nsa/

for intelligence, 70% of budget to (frequently private-equity owned) for-profit companies and over half the people
http://www.investingdaily.com/17693/spies-like-us/

the search of profit contributing significantly to the rapid spread of success of failure culture ... frequently involving dataprocessing modernization efforts
http://www.govexec.com/excellence/management-matters/2007/04/the-success-of-failure/24107/

private-equity posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#private.equity
success of failure
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#success.of.failure

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 09:32:55 -0700
Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> writes:
Can you cite a few names?

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#31 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#63 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#104 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#8 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#18 5 Naval Battles That Changed History Forever
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#52 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#54 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#56 [CM] What was your first home computer?

I remember Ted Kennedy frequently voted against DOD appropriations and when there was BRAC, Massachusetts was high on the list ... then Ted was heavily for some DOD appropriations ... they went ahead and closed Devens anyway.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010j.html#21 Idiotic programming style edicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010j.html#25 Idiotic programming style edicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#25 Idiotic programming style edicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#0 I actually miss working at IBM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011m.html#76 computer bootlaces

however, there was the "big dig" ... originally suppose to be $2B but eventually closer to ten times that, attributed to massive graft and corruption ... supposedly Ted is claimed to say that the Fed government "owed" it to Massachusetts. past posts mentioning "big dig"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003i.html#25 TGV in the USA?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008k.html#73 Cormpany sponsored insurance
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008r.html#41 fraying infrastructure
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008r.html#56 IBM drops Power7 drain in 'Blue Waters'
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#0 Urban transportation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#55 TV Big Bang 10/12/09
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012b.html#11 The PC industry is heading for collapse
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012b.html#14 The PC industry is heading for collapse
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#15 OT: Tax breaks to Oracle debated
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#18 other days around me
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#68 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013n.html#48 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamationmade30yearsagotoday
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#4 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014j.html#105 only sometimes From looms to computers to looms
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#27 Federal Subsidies
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#72 IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#6 The Profiteers: Bechtel and the Men Who Built the World

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 10:00:39 -0700
mausg writes:
Cousin of mine served in the US Army, somewhere near Regensburg, facing the "Erfurt Gap(?)". " Anything goes wrong, we will be the first to know". Dying now.

Fulda Gap
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulda_Gap

there is account that the listening installation was heavily mined and at first sign of anything happening, they vaporize themselves ... then just in case anything was left, every heavy artillery within range, automatically follows up.

one of the things that A10 was designed for, tank killer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairchild_Republic_A-10_Thunderbolt_II

from one of the Boyd acolytes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Sprey

another Boyd acolyte
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon_Wars

is credited with reducing cost of 30mm shell from nearly $100 to $13. A million were used in desert storm ($13M, way too little for the military-industrial-complex). GAO desert storm air power effectiveness study has them taking out so many Iraq tanks, that the occupants were walking away from the tanks because they were sitting ducks. Later account of furious tank battles with coalition forces taking no damage, don't mention whether the Iraq tanks had anybody home. Desert Storm was 43 days, only last 100hrs was land war
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War

he had been in the first air force academy graduation class and on fast track to general, when he says Boyd destroyed his career by challenging him to do what is right
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subboyd.html

military-industrial(-congressional) complex
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex
and
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#97 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#99 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#102 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#104 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#105 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#4 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#7 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#41 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#45 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#48 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#52 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#54 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#55 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#56 [CM] What was your first home computer?

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 10:12:39 -0700
jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
Every one which buys the oil. Germany and France have been turning off their nuclear power plants so they need an alternate fuel source.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#52 [CM] What was your first home computer?

Germany Breaks A Solar Record -- Gets 85% Of Electricity From Renewables
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/05/08/germany-breaks-solar-record-gets-85-electricity-renewables/
As it turns out, wind and solar energy are often cheaper than fossil fuels and nuclear energy these days, even ignoring the many negative effects fossil fuels create for society.
... snip ...

Solar Could Beat Coal to Become the Cheapest Power on Earth
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-03/for-cheapest-power-on-earth-look-skyward-as-coal-falls-to-solar
Solar power is now cheaper than coal in some parts of the world. In less than a decade, it's likely to be the lowest-cost option almost everywhere.

In 2016, countries from Chile to the United Arab Emirates broke records with deals to generate electricity from sunshine for less than 3 cents a kilowatt-hour, half the average global cost of coal power. Now, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Mexico are planning auctions and tenders for this year, aiming to drop prices even further. Taking advantage: Companies such as Italy's Enel SpA and Dublin's Mainstream Renewable Power, who gained experienced in Europe and now seek new markets abroad as subsidies dry up at home.

... snip ...

Why the Saudis Are Going Solar; The fate of one of the biggest fossil-fuel producers may now depend on its investment in renewable energy.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/07/saudis-solar-energy/395315/
Saudi Arabia begins shift from oil to solar power to fuel electricity generation
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/saudi-arabia-oil-revenue-production-solar-power-shift-electricity-energy-opec-a7488626.html
Solar Employs More Workers Than Coal, Oil and Natural Gas Combined
http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/solar-employs-more-workers-than-coal-oil-and-natural-gas-combined

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

Refed: **, - **, - **, - **, - **
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 11:43:05 -0700
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
is credited with reducing cost of 30mm shell from nearly $100 to $13. A million were used in desert storm ($13M, way too little for the military-industrial-complex). GAO desert storm air power effectiveness

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#1 How Desert Storm Destroyed the US Military
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#14 Fast OODA-Loops increase Maneuverability
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#58 [CM] What was your first home computer?

from 2015 ... and has kept up at steady pace since

The U.S. is running out of bombs to drop on ISIS
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/04/politics/air-force-20000-bombs-missiles-isis/
US Air Force Running Out of Bombs to Fight ISIS
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/12/06/us-air-force-running-out-of-bombs-to-fight-isis.html
The US military says its 15-month bombing campaign on the Islamic State is depleting its munitions supply and that additional money and other support is "critical" for "the long fight."
...
The Air Force has reportedly fired more than 20,000 bombs and missiles in Syria in the fight to dismantle the self-proclaimed Islamic State.
... snip ...

Note: 2015 estimated number of ISIS in Syria was 19,000-25,000 ... i.e. had fired approx. one bomb/missile for every ISIS with little impact on numbers (spending million dollars/ISIS and not succeeding).

more recent:

U.S. Running Low on Bombs Due to Strikes Against ISIS
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/u-s-running-low-bombs-due-to-strikes-against-isis/
US military is hammering ISIS so heavily it is running out of bombs
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/798279/US-military-bombing-ISIS-low-munitions-Donald-Trump-North-Korea

using bombs & missile supplies with little or nothing to really show for it. part of "perpetual war"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#perpetual.war
keeping military-industrial(-congressional) complex fed
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex

and could claim also success of failure culture as part of supporting "perpetual war" ... don't really want a success because it would reduce the spending.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#success.of.failure.

missiles tend to be hundreds of thousands (rather than $13) ... all the Tomahawk missiles (over a million each) used last month would have been trivial drop in the bucket.

note 2/3rds of total US WW2 spending went to air program ... with half that (1/3rd) to strategic heavy bombing program . LeMay was justifying it claiming the strategic heavy bombing program could even win the european war w/o even having to invade Europe. However, strategic heavy bombing from 5-6 miles high was almost impossible to hit target ... which possibly explains the switch to fire bombing cities (since it would have been almost impossible to not hit someplace in a city).

from law of unintended consequences when the 1943 US strategic bombing program needed location of industrial and military targets in Germany, it got the coordinates from wallstreet. recent posts about US industry and wallstreet heavily involved in supporting Nazis:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#10 Separation church and state
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#63 One Nation Under God: How Corporate America Invented Christian America
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#97 Trump to sign cyber security order
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#40 Job Loyalty
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#64 Jean Tirole's Proposal to Appoint Felons to Monitor CEOs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#36 Trump's S.E.C. Nominee Disclosure Offers Rare Glimpse of Clients and Conflicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#91 Godwin's Law should force us to remember & fear our shared heritage with Nazi Germany
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#55 Should America Have Entered World War I?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#23 Ironic old "fortune"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#60 The Illusion Of Victory: America In World War I
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#69 The knives are out for Trump's national security adviser H.R. McMaster
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#41 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#55 [CM] What was your first home computer?

McNamara had been LeMay's staff planning fire bombing cities. After WW2, McNamara leaves for the auto industry, but then returns as SECDEF for Vietnam where Laos becomes the most bombed country in the world (more bombs than Germany & Japan combined).

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 12:04:01 -0700
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
note 2/3rds of total US WW2 spending went to air program ... with half that (1/3rd) to strategic heavy bombing program . LeMay was justifying it claiming the strategic heavy bombing program could even win the european war w/o even having to invade Europe. However, strategic heavy bombing from 5-6 miles high was almost impossible to hit target ... which possibly explains the switch to fire bombing cities (since it would have been almost impossible to not hit someplace in a city).

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#60 [CM] What was your first home computer?

(4 engine) high-altitude heavy bombers w/Norden sights .... aka B17s. European Campaign, loc2582-85:

The bomber preparation of Omaha Beach was a total failure, and German defenses on Omaha Beach were intact as American troops came ashore. At Utah Beach, the bombers were a little more effective because the IXth Bomber Command was using B-26 medium bombers. Wisely, in preparation for supporting the invasion, maintenance crews removed Norden bombsights from the bombers and installed the more effective low-level altitude sights.

... snip ...

perpetual war
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#perpetual.war
military-industrial(-congressional) complex
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 12:17:28 -0700
Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> writes:
IP? Intellectual "Property" is a creation of government (though ideas are not). Without government restrictions, there can be no private IP, only trade secrets (and most of those, probably not for long). Just as corporations are a creation of the government, the corporate charter a privilege granted by government.

the claim was that patents in the constitution was to promote innovation and protect indivudal inventors from institutions trying to preserve their status quo. however, more recently patents have been been corrupted by large institutions for protecting their status quo (inhibiting innovation and progress).

Why patents are holding back U.S. innovation
https://venturebeat.com/2015/03/12/why-patents-are-holding-back-u-s-innovation/
The Founding Fathers of the United States considered intellectual property so important that they gave it a special place in the Constitution: "To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries."
... snip ...

inequality posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#inequality

past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012e.html#34 The never-ending SCO lawsuit
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012k.html#42 The IBM "Open Door" policy
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#39 copyright protection/Doug Englebart
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#40 copyright protection/Doug Englebart
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#49 Corporate malfeasance
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#104 PC Compromise and Internet Transactions
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#44 [CM] What was your first home computer?

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 13:17:10 -0700
Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> writes:
Not all societies that have capitalism are free. I think you agree about Saudi Arabia (how it came to be that way is irrelevant). Nazi Germany had capitalists (one dynasty was the Krupps) and people could try new things etc. so long as they didn't overstep the allowable boundaries (until war mobilization interfered).

in fact, Nazis were heavily supported by wallstreet and US corporations.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#60 [CM] What was your first home computer?

another was Thysson, my wife's father was command of 1154 engineering combat group in WW2, found his status reports in National Archive, past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010i.html#82 Favourite computer history books?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#66 They always think we don't understand
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#10 OODA in highly stochastic environments
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#37 The first personal computer (PC)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#52 An elusive command philosophy and a different command culture
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012c.html#51 How would you succinctly desribe maneuver warfare?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012j.html#16 a clock in it, was Re: Interesting News Article
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#54 Singer Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#35 What Makes sorting so cool?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014.html#41 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014c.html#19 UK government plans switch from Microsoft Office to open source
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#33 Crossing the Rhine - 70 Years Ago Today - In Pictures!
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#38 Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#49 Corporate malfeasance

he was frequent senior officer in enemy territory (and some camps) towards the end and had a collection of german officer daggers from surrenders. After hostilities, they offerred him German district command and he refused, even when promised promotion to general ... and continued to refuse until he retired more than 15yrs later.

Note after wall fell there was extraordinary cooperation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#56 25th Anniversary Implementation of Nunn-Lugar Act
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#83 Sleepwalking Into a Nuclear Arms Race with Russia

and program to teach Russia about capitalism ... however a lot of US version has turned into looting other countries.

is "Harvard being responsible for the rise of Putin" (i.e. Russia needed strongman to oppose the westerners that seemed intent on looting the country). John Helmer: Convicted Fraudster Jonathan Hay, Harvard's Man Who Wrecked Russia, Resurfaces in Ukraine
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/02/convicted-fraudster-jonathan-hay-harvards-man-who-wrecked-russia-resurfaces-in-ukraine.html
If you are unfamiliar with this fiasco, which was also the true proximate cause of Larry Summers' ouster from Harvard, you must read an extraordinary expose, How Harvard Lost Russia, from Institutional Investor. I am told copies of this article were stuffed in every Harvard faculty member's inbox the day Summers got a vote of no confidence and resigned shortly thereafter.
... snip ...

How Harvard lost Russia; The best and brightest of America's premier university came to Moscow in the 1990s to teach Russians how to be capitalists. This is the inside story of how their efforts led to scandal and disgrace.
http://www.institutionalinvestor.com/Article/1020662/How-Harvard-lost-Russia.html
Mostly, they hurt Russia and its hopes of establishing a lasting framework for a stable Western-style capitalism, as Summers himself acknowledged when he testified under oath in the U.S. lawsuit in Cambridge in 2002. "The project was of enormous value," said Summers, who by then had been installed as the president of Harvard. "Its cessation was damaging to Russian economic reform and to the U.S.-Russian relationship."
... snip ...

I was in discussion (non-looting version) about creating 5000 bank branches at $1M and how to provide the $5B funding ... but that all collapses with the rest. other past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015.html#98 Convicted Fraudster Jonathan Hay, Harvard's Man Who Wrecked Russia, Resurfaces in Ukraine
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#1 do you blame Harvard for Puten
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#5 Swiss Leaks lifts the veil on a secretive banking system
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#8 Shoot Bank Of America Now---The Case For Super Glass-Steagall Is Overwhelming
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#30 Analysis: Root of Tattered US-Russia Ties Date Back Decades
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#44 No, the F-35 Can't Fight at Long Range, Either
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#45 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#26 Putin's Great Crime: He Defends His Allies and Attacks His Enemies
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#70 Department of Defense Head Ashton Carter Enlists Silicon Valley to Transform the Military
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#91 Happy Dec-10 Day!!!
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#122 For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#16 1970--protesters seize computer center
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#39 Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#73 Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#31 Putin holds phone call with Obama, urges better defense cooperation in fight against ISIS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#39 Failure as a Way of Life; The logic of lost wars and military-industrial boondoggles
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#7 Why was no one prosecuted for contributing to the financial crisis? New documents reveal why
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#69 Qbasic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016e.html#59 How Putin Weaponized Wikileaks to Influence the Election of an American President
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#22 US and UK have staged coups before
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#105 How to Win the Cyberwar Against Russia
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016g.html#92 The Lessons of Henry Kissinger
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#3 Smedley Butler
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#38 "I used a real computer at home...and so will you" (Popular Science May 1967)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#7 Malicious Cyber Activity

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 13:50:07 -0700
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
and program to teach Russia about capitalism ... however a lot of US version has turned into looting other countries.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#63 [CM] What was your first home computer?

actually a lot of wallstreet and US capitalists are predators with everybody else prey ... not just other countries

S&L crisis posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#s&l.crisis
economic mess posts ... 70 times larger than S&L crises,
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#economic.mess
and concurrent with the two (perpetual) wars
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#perpetual.war
and fabricated WMDs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#wmd

inbeween was the internet IPO mill
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#25 Opinions on the 'Unix Haters' Handbook'
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010i.html#84 Idiotic programming style edicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#38 Idiotic programming style edicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#78 TCM's Moguls documentary series
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011h.html#59 SSL digital certificates
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#50 Bubble? What Bubble?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012b.html#84 A Conversation with Peter Thiel
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012d.html#5 PC industry is heading for more change
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012d.html#16 IBM cuts more than 1,000 U.S. Workers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012e.html#20 Are mothers naturally better at OODA because they always have the Win in mind?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#26 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#54 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#28 The Reformers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014b.html#26 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014g.html#61 Association Of Certified Fraud Examiners Release 2014 Report On Fraud
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014g.html#94 Why Financialization Has Run Amok
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014k.html#69 LA Times commentary: roll out "smart" credit cards to deter fraud
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#37 Income Inequality
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#78 The Global Financial Crisis: Analysis and Policy Implications
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#10 25 Years: How the Web began
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#7 Study: Cost of U.S. Regulations Larger Than Germany's Economy
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#19 Banking; The Book That Will Save Banking From Itself
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016g.html#87 Finance Is Not the Economy
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#43 when to get out???
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#50 when to get out???
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#76 Another Big Company Departs California
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#31 Too-Big-To-Fail Not Punished
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#67 Economists are arguing over how their profession messed up during the Great Recession. This is what happened

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View of Russia

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: View of Russia
Date: 29 May 2017
Blog: Facebook
Note after wall fell there was extraordinary cooperation and program to teach Russia about capitalism, From CSPAN, talks about extraordinary cooperation between US & Russia military in the 90s, 25th Anniversary Implementation of Nunn-Lugar Act
https://www.c-span.org/video/?419918-3/implementation-nunnlugar-act

... however a lot of US capitalism has turned into looting other countries; is "Harvard responsible for the rise of Putin" (i.e. Russia needed strongman to oppose the westerners that seemed intent on looting the country). John Helmer: Convicted Fraudster Jonathan Hay, Harvard's Man Who Wrecked Russia, Resurfaces in Ukraine
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/02/convicted-fraudster-jonathan-hay-harvards-man-who-wrecked-russia-resurfaces-in-ukraine.html
If you are unfamiliar with this fiasco, which was also the true proximate cause of Larry Summers' ouster from Harvard, you must read an extraordinary expose, How Harvard Lost Russia, from Institutional Investor. I am told copies of this article were stuffed in every Harvard faculty member's inbox the day Summers got a vote of no confidence and resigned shortly thereafter.
... snip ...

How Harvard lost Russia; The best and brightest of America's premier university came to Moscow in the 1990s to teach Russians how to be capitalists. This is the inside story of how their efforts led to scandal and disgrace.
http://www.institutionalinvestor.com/Article/1020662/How-Harvard-lost-Russia.html
Mostly, they hurt Russia and its hopes of establishing a lasting framework for a stable Western-style capitalism, as Summers himself acknowledged when he testified under oath in the U.S. lawsuit in Cambridge in 2002. "The project was of enormous value," said Summers, who by then had been installed as the president of Harvard. "Its cessation was damaging to Russian economic reform and to the U.S.-Russian relationship."
... snip ...

I was in discussion (non-looting version) about creating 5000 bank branches at $1M and how to provide the $5B funding ... but that all collapses with the rest.

trivia: President of AMEX was in competition for next CEO and wins. The looser leaves, taking their protegee to Baltimore where they takeover what was referred to as a loan sharking business. They make some number of other acquisitions eventually acquiring CITI in violation of Glass-Steagall. Greenspan gives them exemption while they lobby Congress for repeal (enabling Too Big To Fail). Among others they enlist in lobbying was the SECTREAS (and former head of Goldman-Sachs). When the repeal is underway, the SECTREAS resigns to become what was described at the time as co-CEO of CITI. The protegee of head of CITI (and previously at AMEX) leaves and becomes CEO of another Too Big To Fail. The SECTREAS protegee becomes SECTREAS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Summers
Summers was appointed Undersecretary for International Affairs of the United States Department of the Treasury under the Clinton Administration. In 1995, he was promoted to Deputy Secretary of the Treasury under his long-time political mentor Robert Rubin. In 1999, he succeeded Rubin as Secretary of the Treasury. While working for the Clinton administration Summers played a leading role in the American response to the 1994 economic crisis in Mexico, the 1997 Asian financial crisis, and the Russian financial crisis. He was also influential in the American advised privatization of the economies of the post-Soviet states, and in the deregulation of the U.S financial system, including the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act.
... snip ...

former president of AMEX
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#gerstner
Pecora Hearings and/or Glass-Steagall
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#Pecora&/orGlass-Steagall
Fed Chairman
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#fed.chairman
S&L crisis as result of deregulation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#s&l.crisis
and economic mess as result of more deregulation (70 times larger than S&L crisis)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#economic.mess

recent posts mentioning Nunn-Lugar Act:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#56 25th Anniversary Implementation of Nunn-Lugar Act
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#83 Sleepwalking Into a Nuclear Arms Race with Russia
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#63 [CM] What was your first home computer?

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 18:11:21 -0700
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
another was Thysson, my wife's father was command of 1154 engineering combat group in WW2, found his status reports in National Archive, past posts

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#60 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#62 [CM] What was your first home computer?

actually Thyssen & Krupp merged in 1999
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThyssenKrupp

and from National Archives status report
On 28 Apr we were put in D/S of the 13th Armd and 80th Inf Divs and G/S Corps Opns. The night of the 28-29 April we cross the DANUBE River and the next day we set-up our OP in SCHLOSS PUCHHOF (vic PUCHOFF); an extensive structure remarkable for the depth of its carpets, the height of its rooms, the profusion of its game, the superiority of its plumbing and the fact that it had been owned by the original financial backer of the NAZIS, Fritz Thyssen. Herr Thyssen was not at home.

Forward from the DANUBE the enemy had been very active, and an intact bridge was never seen except by air reconnaissance. Maintenance of roads and bypasses went on and 29 April we began constructing 835' of M-2 Tdwy Br, plus a plank road approach over the ISAR River at PLATTLING. Construction was completed at 1900 on the 30th. For the month of April we had suffered no casualties of any kind and Die Gotterdamerung was falling, the last days of the once mighty WHERMACHT.

... snip ...

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Explore the groundbreaking Colossal Cave Adventure, 41 years on

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Explore the groundbreaking Colossal Cave Adventure, 41 years on
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 10:04:45 -0700
Explore the groundbreaking Colossal Cave Adventure, 41 years on
https://www.cnet.com/news/a-groundbreaking-computer-game-returns-41-years-later/
Some of the earliest classic PC games were called "text adventures ," and consisted of little more than text on a screen, with some rudimentary user-input moving the story along. The Zork series is perhaps the best-known example of this nearly extinct genre. Now, the first-ever text adventure computer game, 1976's Colossal Cave Adventure, has been uploaded in a creator-endorsed open-source format that plays on modern computer operating systems.
... snip ...

TYMSHARE had started making their online CMS-based computer conferencing system free to SHARE (as VMSHARE) in Aug1976, archives here
http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare
old email
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#vmshare

I setup process to getting periodic updates of all VMSHARE files, making them available on internal network/machines ... including the worldwide sales&marketing HONE system. The biggest problems I had was with the IBM lawyers who were afraid that customer information would contaminate IBM employees. On one visit to TYMSHARE they demo'ed Adventure that they had gotten from Stanford PDP10 system and ported to vm370/cms. I got a copy and made executable available on internal systems, sending source to people that could show they got all points. Within a short period, there appeared PLI version as well as adding more points. Old email:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006y.html#email780405
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006y.html#email780405b

One of my hobbies after joining IBM (in 1970) was making enhanced operating systems available for internal datacenters ... the internal world-wide online sales&marketing HONE system was long-time customers. When HONE first started making HONE clones around the world, I was asked to go along for the initial installation. Sometimes various IBMers were bewildered when I would make some comment about making things available on HONE (they couldn't understand why HONE would give me access to their systems ... when they didn't know that I was supplying HONE with their systems)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hone

Seminal game 'Colossal Cave Adventure' released onto GitLab; Eric Raymond says it's time 'hallowed artifacts of hacker folklore' were hackable again
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/30/eric_raymond_sets_colossal_cave_adventure_free/

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 11:33:51 -0700
Osmium <r124c4u102@comcast.net> writes:
I remember a system where management didn't trust ordinary employees to handle money. A department store with cables running from every clerks "station" to an office on the mezzanine. The payment and any change were exchanged via a container to and from the mezzanine. A bit like banking from your car, except without the pneumatic aspect. IIRC it was a J C Penny store. As a child it always fascinated me. Why did they do that? In today's language WTF?

there can be something like 7% "shrinkage" from the checkout to bank deposit. it is one of the reasons that banks get away with such huge interchange fees ... charging based on comparison of the cost of handling case ... rather than cost of the service.

note that europe financial institutions were making something like 10% of their bottom line off such fees ... while in the US it was been somehting like 40-60% ... making them vulernable to disruptive competition (huge gap between when they are charging merchants and what it cost them to provide the service).

fallback is to use legislation to try and keep competition out of banking (as well as try to tie up any disruptive technologes that might come along through the patent system). Original rhetoric on floor of congress as to the original purpose of GLBA (now better known for repeal of Glass-Steagall) was that if you already had banking charter you got to keep it, but if you didn't already have one you couldn't get one .... aka blocking new competition with more cost effective technologies (also specifically mentioned on the floor of congress was blocking walmart and microsoft).

past posts mentiong GLBA:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#Pecora&/orGlass-Steagall

recent posts mentioning institutions subverting patent system as part of protecting status quo
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#44 [CM] What was your first home computer?

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 17:38:50 -0700
Osmium <r124c4u102@comcast.net> writes:
So there is a connection between the wide-spread use of credit cards in the USA and Glass-Steagall? Or did I read something wrong?

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#68 What was your first home computer?

the original rhetoric on the floor of congress as to the (original/primary) purpose of GLBA ... was about restricting competition in banking ... including credit-cards. Before GLBA passes, there were several additional items added to GLBA ... including repeal of Glass-Steagall ... and initially passes pretty much along party lines, 53:44. Folklore was that the president was going to veto the bill. They then go back and add some other things so that it eventually passes with a "veto proof" 90-8
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm%E2%80%93Leach%E2%80%93Bliley_Act

posts mentioning Pecora Hearings &/or Glass-Steagall
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#Pecora&/orGlass-Steagall

a couple years later as there is increased use of debit cards at point-of-sale ... which significantly lower interchange fee, walmart leads a retail merchant class action lawsuit against the card associations ... because the card associations have setup point-of-sale terminals to default to "signature debit" ... which flows through the credit card networks and have credit card interchange fees ... instead of flowing through the debit card networks with substantially lower interchange fees. Retail merchants "win" that class action lawsuit.

then walmart announces it is purchasing a UTAH ILC, existing bank charter (instead of new bank charter), that are UTAH state chartered bank but there are limited number that are "grandfathered" allowing them to bank nationally) for the purposes of being its own credit card "merchant bank" (credit card "issuing banks" issue consumers credit cards, credit card "merchant banks" sponsor merchants for accepting credit cards, issuing & merchant banks split the merchant interchange fee with the card associations).

walmart accounts for 25-30% of US retail store purchases and the existing (too big to fail) merchant bank starts a lobbying campaign to have community (issuing) banks write their congressmen asking them to block Walmart's purchase of an UTAH ILC, because it would impact their issuing business. However it would actually make a substantial dent in walmart's merchant bank revenue (their part of interchange fee from credit card purchases at Walmart). walmart withdraws its effort to buy UTAH ILC
http://money.cnn.com/2007/03/16/news/companies/walmart/index.htm?cnn=yes

there then is another retail merchant interchange fee antiturst lawsuit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payment_Card_Interchange_Fee_and_Merchant_Discount_Antitrust_Litigation

from the law of unintended consequences ... supposedly TARP was justified for too big to fail bailout, by buying offbook toxic assets. However, only $700B was appropriated and just the four largest TBTF still had $5.2T in offbook toxic assets ye2008. TARP was then used for other purposes and the real bailout was by the Federal Reserve, buying trillions in offbook toxic assets at 98cents on the dollar and providing tens of trillions in ZIRP funds. However to be eligible for Federal Reserve largesse, TBTF had to be a depository institutions with banking charter ... and some of the Federal Reserve best friends were investment banks w/o banking charters. Federal Reserve then gives them banking charters, theoritically in violation of (the original purpose for) GLBA.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail
and
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#zirp

past posts mentioning UTAH ILC
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm23.htm#36 3 of the big 4 - all doing payment systems
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007i.html#42 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007i.html#47 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007v.html#58 folklore indeed
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008c.html#12 Toyota Sales for 2007 May Surpass GM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008c.html#25 Toyota Sales for 2007 May Surpass GM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#19 Does anyone know of merchants who have successfully bypassed interchange costs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012j.html#28 Why Asian companies struggle to manage global workers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#54 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014b.html#20 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014g.html#76 Did these tech and telecom
companies assess the risk and return with respect to Anti-Money Laundering challenges?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014h.html#37 Married Couples and the Financial Mess
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014h.html#84 Support Senator Warren's Postal Banking Proposal
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014i.html#37 Sale receipt--obligatory?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014i.html#39 Sale receipt--obligatory?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014k.html#46 LA Times commentary: roll out "smart" credit cards to deter fraud
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#8 "Too big to fail" was Malicious Cyber Activity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#41 [CM] cheap money, was What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#45 [CM] cheap money, was What was your first home computer?

other trivia (includes WalMart's credit card merchant bank):

President of AMEX was in competition for next CEO and wins. The looser leaves, taking their protegee to Baltimore where they takeover what was referred to as a loan sharking business. They make some number of other acquisitions eventually acquiring CITI in violation of Glass-Steagall. Greenspan gives them exemption while they lobby Congress for repeal (enabling Too Big To Fail). Among others they enlist in lobbying was the SECTREAS (and former head of Goldman-Sachs). When the repeal is underway, the SECTREAS resigns to become what was described at the time as co-CEO of CITI. The protegee of head of CITI (and previously at AMEX) leaves and becomes CEO of another Too Big To Fail (also WalMart's credit card "merchant bank") The SECTREAS protegee becomes SECTREAS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Summers
Summers was appointed Undersecretary for International Affairs of the United States Department of the Treasury under the Clinton Administration. In 1995, he was promoted to Deputy Secretary of the Treasury under his long-time political mentor Robert Rubin. In 1999, he succeeded Rubin as Secretary of the Treasury. While working for the Clinton administration Summers played a leading role in the American response to the 1994 economic crisis in Mexico, the 1997 Asian financial crisis, and the Russian financial crisis. He was also influential in the American advised privatization of the economies of the post-Soviet states, and in the deregulation of the U.S financial system, including the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act.
... snip ...

former president of AMEX
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#gerstner

further trivia:

Note after wall fell there was extraordinary cooperation and program to teach Russia about capitalism, From CSPAN, talks about extraordinary cooperation between US & Russia military in the 90s, 25th Anniversary Implementation of Nunn-Lugar Act
https://www.c-span.org/video/?419918-3/implementation-nunnlugar-act

... however a lot of US capitalism has turned into looting other countries; is "Harvard responsible for the rise of Putin" (i.e. Russia needed strongman to oppose the westerners that seemed intent on looting the country). John Helmer: Convicted Fraudster Jonathan Hay, Harvard's Man Who Wrecked Russia, Resurfaces in Ukraine
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/02/convicted-fraudster-jonathan-hay-harvards-man-who-wrecked-russia-resurfaces-in-ukraine.html
If you are unfamiliar with this fiasco, which was also the true proximate cause of Larry Summers' ouster from Harvard, you must read an extraordinary expose, How Harvard Lost Russia, from Institutional Investor. I am told copies of this article were stuffed in every Harvard faculty member's inbox the day Summers got a vote of no confidence and resigned shortly thereafter.
... snip ...

How Harvard lost Russia; The best and brightest of America's premier university came to Moscow in the 1990s to teach Russians how to be capitalists. This is the inside story of how their efforts led to scandal and disgrace.
http://www.institutionalinvestor.com/Article/1020662/How-Harvard-lost-Russia.html
Mostly, they hurt Russia and its hopes of establishing a lasting framework for a stable Western-style capitalism, as Summers himself acknowledged when he testified under oath in the U.S. lawsuit in Cambridge in 2002. "The project was of enormous value," said Summers, who by then had been installed as the president of Harvard. "Its cessation was damaging to Russian economic reform and to the U.S.-Russian relationship."
... snip ...

I was in discussion (non-looting version) about creating 5000 bank branches @$1M and how to provide the $5B funding ... but that all collapses with the rest.

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 18:23:42 -0700
hancock4 writes:
Ironically, ideologues complain bitterly when the government builds and operates passenger railways, yet those same people are fine with government build roads and airports.

some of public news media is influenced by financial interests, this has recent example where one of the TBTF was trying to get thousands of community banks to write their congressmen opposing walmart getting a UTAH ILC ... what it really met was that WalMart became its own "merchant bank" (instead of the TBTF), enormously impacting the TBTF bottom line
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#69 [CM] What was your first home computer?
and TBTF
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail

majority of costs of major highways are building them to handle 18wheel heavy trucks ... while the majority of the funding comes from the rest of the public. old posts about major highway building is done for axle-ton-mile lifetime by heavy trucks (all other traffic has negligible effects). there is significant more people involved in heavy trucking and can get into lobbying. past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002j.html#41 Transportation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003i.html#21 Spam Bomb
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003i.html#57 TGV in the USA?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004c.html#20 Parallel programming again (Re: Intel announces "CT" aka
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004e.html#7 OT Global warming
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006f.html#44 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#2 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#5 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#6 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#7 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#10 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#12 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#15 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#19 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#24 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#26 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#32 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#35 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#46 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#48 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#49 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#50 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#51 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#52 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#53 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#54 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#1 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#2 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#3 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#5 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#6 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#11 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#23 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007n.html#97 Loads Weighing Heavily on Roads
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#21 Horrid thought about Politics, President Bush, and Democrats
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008b.html#55 Toyota Sales for 2007 May Surpass GM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008b.html#56 Toyota Sales for 2007 May Surpass GM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008e.html#48 fraying infrastructure
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008k.html#68 Historian predicts the end of 'science superpowers'
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008l.html#25 dollar coins
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008l.html#36 dollar coins
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008l.html#37 dollar coins
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#41 VMware Chief Says the OS Is History
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010k.html#40 taking down the machine - z9 series
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010m.html#61 Idiotic cars driving themselves
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#52 TCM's Moguls documentary series
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011n.html#80 A Close Look at the Perry Tax Plan
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011n.html#83 A Close Look at the Perry Tax Plan
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#48 What Makes a bridge Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#28 "Highway Patrol" back on TV
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#29 "Highway Patrol" back on TV
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#168 LEO
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#47 Future of support for telephone rotary dial ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#76 IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#12 1970--protesters seize computer center
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#109 Minimum Wage

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 18:34:22 -0700
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
Now, however, with the rising popularity of P3s (public-private partnerships), this is being rolled back. At least halfway. So far.

Chicago unloaded public parking including contract about limiting price increases ... but then buyers say that it is limiting their profit.
https://nextcity.org/daily/entry/infrastructure-projects-p3-contracts-chicago-parking
Chicago;s ill-fated 75-year lease of the city's 36,000 parking meters for $1 billion to a Morgan Stanley-led private consortium is Exhibit A for bad public contracting. After the ink was dry, the city's inspector general concluded that the city sold the meters $1 billion dollars under their value. Parking rates skyrocketed, and the terms of the lease protecting Morgan Stanley's investment created new annual costs for the city.
... snip ...

this is similar to private equity buying companies and then extracting money every which way possible ... private equity posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#private.equity

or CEOs nearing end of contract ... doing everything possible to meet their bonus provisions ... regardless of the long term effects on the company ... like stock buybacks
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#stock.buybacks

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 18:58:08 -0700
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
Now, however, with the rising popularity of P3s (public-private partnerships), this is being rolled back. At least halfway. So far.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#71 [CM] What was your first home computer?

one of the other issues in many states ... was that the governments were deferring road maintenance ... and using the income from various road maintenance fees to other purposes ... until the roads are falling apart ... the people responsible are frequently long gone &/or leaving ... and the future has been heavily mortgaged.

this is part of the couple trillion dollars in (deferred) infrastructure maintenance (where funds have been used for other purposes).

from the law of unintended consequences: the previous administration stimulus funds supposedly for infrastructure work ... some was diverted by states for other purposes ... but some went to companies to do actual work ... however in severeal cases they had to hire civil engineering firms from china.

Volcker talking to civil engineering professor about money has been diverted from infrastructure spending for so long ... there aren't civil engineering jobs, lack of jobs, students stop taking classes, w/o students, univ. start shutting down programs and dropping professors ... Confidence Men: Wall Street, Washington, and the Education of a President
http://www.amazon.com/Confidence-Men-Washington-Education-ebook/dp/B0089LOKKS

pg290:
Well, I said, 'The trouble with the United States recently is we spent several decades not producing many civil engineers and producing a huge number of financial engineers. And the result is s**tty bridges and a s**tty financial system!'
... snip ...

posts mentioning ecnomic mess
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#economic.mess

past posts repeating above Volcker ref:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011p.html#91 Has anyone successfully migrated off mainframes?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012.html#44 Who originated the phrase "user-friendly"?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012b.html#43 Where are all the old tech workers?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012c.html#63 The Economist's Take on Financial Innovation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012f.html#67 Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012g.html#30 24/7/365 appropriateness was Re: IBMLink outages in 2012
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012g.html#48 Owl: China Swamps US Across the Board -- Made in China Computer Chips Have Back Doors, 45 Other "Ways & Means" Sucking Blood from US
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#31 How do you feel about the fact that today India has more IBM employees than US?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#77 Interesting News Article
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#6 Good article. Friday discussion type
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012k.html#36 Race Against the Machine
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012k.html#40 Core characteristics of resilience
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#3 OT: Tax breaks to Oracle debated
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014i.html#33 War or Jobs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014j.html#105 only sometimes From looms to computers to looms
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014j.html#106 only sometimes From looms to computers to looms
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014k.html#80 HP splits, again
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#75 LEO
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#48 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#4 Decimal point character and billions
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#50 A National Infrastructure Program Is a Smart Idea We Won't Do Because We Are Dysfunctional
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#17 Destruction of the Middle Class

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 21:57:28 -0700
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
Fareed also had something like 96% of world-wide extreme Islam terrorism is Wahhabi related and that Iran is one of the major forces fighting Wahhabi extremism (highlighting US war on terror supporting saudi and opposing Iran).

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#52 [CM] What was your first home computer?

oops, 94% not 96% and:
Iran is fighting those groups, not fueling them. Almost every terror attack in the West has had some connection to Saudi Arabia.
... snip ...

recent posts mentioning saudi arabia
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#7 Malicious Cyber Activity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#45 when to get out???
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#33 CBS News: WikiLeaks claims to release thousands of CIA documents of computer activity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#40 Stop Believing in the Many Myths of the Iraq Surge
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#42 Profitable Companies, No Taxes: Here's How They Did It
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#20 Imperial Hubris
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#1 How Desert Storm Destroyed the US Military
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#99 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#59 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#63 [CM] What was your first home computer?

recent posts mentioning Iran Shah & SAVAK (put in by US):
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#72 A Coal Fire May Have Helped Sink the 'Titanic'
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#33 CBS News: WikiLeaks claims to release thousands of CIA documents of computer activity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#90 Economist, Harry Dent Hints: Global Banks Facing a Serious Crisis in Months Ahead
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#59 Breaking: Entire Nation Experiencing Collective Amnesia About Iraq War
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#97 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#99 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#45 [CM] What was your first home computer?

and then supporting Iraq in Iran/Iraq war:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#7 Malicious Cyber Activity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#26 Milton Friedman's Cherished Theory Is Laid to Rest
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#14 Trump to sign cyber security order
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#16 Trump to sign cyber security order
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#45 when to get out???
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#33 CBS News: WikiLeaks claims to release thousands of CIA documents of computer activity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#40 Stop Believing in the Many Myths of the Iraq Surge
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#42 Profitable Companies, No Taxes: Here's How They Did It
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#13 The Pentagon still uses computer software from 1958 to manage its contracts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#55 Should America Have Entered World War I?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#59 Breaking: Entire Nation Experiencing Collective Amnesia About Iraq War
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#1 How Desert Storm Destroyed the US Military
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#99 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#45 [CM] What was your first home computer?

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Early use of word "computer", 1944

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: Early use of word "computer", 1944
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 08:39:24 -0700
mausg writes:
They were extras in the drama. (There were many Southern Irish in british forces, some because they were Ant-Nazi, some by family tradition, and many because it paid well.)

Edinburgh military museum talks about how many scotts were in the british army and how brave they were and how many died.

BBC program about english conquer scotland, english took over all the land and positions and about the only thing left for male scotts was the military (or immigrate). Then about incompetent english generals used scots and others from british empire as cannon fodder

past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006u.html#57 Pedantry (was RE: Shane's antipodes)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#10 Horrid thought about Politics, President Bush, and Democrats
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#72 The Watches Guy
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009m.html#53 August 7, 1944: today is the 65th Anniversary of the Birth of the Computer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#13 Scotland, was Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem!
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015.html#22 channel islands, definitely not the location of LEO
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#32 Star Trek (was Re: TV show Mannix observations)

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 09:25:53 -0700
jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
<grin> I hadn't heard that comment but it's true. Another saying which applies is "opening the gates to the barbarians" which is history repeating itself.

the other side is all the talk about extensive militarization of police ... part of it is the military-industrial complex
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex

similar to around 20,000 ISIS in syria at beginning of 2015, US fired 20,000 bombs & missiles during 2015, and at the end of 2015 there are around 20,000 ISIS in syria ... and syria campaign has so drawn down bomb/missile stocks that they are requresting additional funding to replenish what has been used in the "intense" syria campaign.

In the militarization of local police, the US military has transferred so much equipment to police force, they are asking for additional funding to replenish all that eqiupment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militarization_of_police

in both cases, lots more funding for the military industrial complex.

all the media coverage of the texas law overshadows congress

Urgent Warning Issued by Rights Group over New Police Bill in Congress
http://theantimedia.org/rights-group-police-bill-congress/

similarly lots of the media coverage directed elsewhere (obfuscation and misdirection) ... repeal of internet privacy had been repeatedly defeated over the last decade ... but now has passed

Trump signs internet privacy repeal
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/327107-trump-signs-internet-privacy-repeal

some more GLBA (opt-out, 3rd cal. legislation mentioned below)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#68 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#69 [CM] What was your first home computer?

We were brought in to help wordsmith some cal. state legislation, primarily state electronic signature legislation ... some past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subpubkey.html#signature

but several participants were heavily involved in privacy issues and had done detailed public privacy surveys and had found that the #1 issue was fraudulent financial transactions primarily as a result of breaches and there was little or nothing being done. The issue is that entities normally take security measures in self-protection. The problem with the breaches was that the institutions weren't at risk, it was their customers and the public. It was hoped that publicity from the breach notifications would prompt countermeasures. since then there have been dozen or so federal bills (none yet passed), about evenly divided between those that are similar to the california legislation and those sponsored by wallstreet and the financial industry that would effectively eliminate notifications. some posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#data.breach.notification

A third cal. bill being worked on was "opt-in" personal information sharing (aka institution would need record of person agreeing to the institution sharing their personal information). Before "opt-in" could pass, "opt-out" provision was (also) added to GBLA (which would pre-empt state legilsation) ... i.e. an institution could share your personal information unless they had record of you objecting.

Several years later at annual national privacy conference in DC (renaissance hotel on 9th) there was panel with all the FTC commissioners. somebody in the audience got up and asked if they were going to do anything about "opt-out" privacy sharing. He said that he worked for call-center technology company used by all the major/TBTF financial institutions. He said that all the "opt-out" (personal infromatio sharing) 1-800 services weren't being provided any mechanism to make record of the call (i.e. there would never be any record of somebody objecting to their information being shaed). The FTC commissioners just ignored the question.

This is similar to SEC not enforcing lots of the financial regulations last decade ... like Sarbanes-Oxley affecting both credit rating agencies
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#sarbanes.oxley
and public company fraudulent financial filings
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#financial.reporting.fraud
or Madoff (SEC hands were forced when Madoff turned himself in), in the Madoff congressional hearing they had testimony from person that had tried unsuccessfully for over decade to get SEC to do something about Madoff
http:/www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#madoff

former chair of SEC is #4 on times list
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877323,00.html
of those responsible for the economic mess
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#economic.mess

former chair of Federal Reserve
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#fed.chairman
is #3 on times list of those responsible (for similar reasons)
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877331,00.html

and #2 on times list ... is senator responsible for GLBA
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877330,00.html

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 10:03:46 -0700
Osmium <r124c4u102@comcast.net> writes:
So there is a connection between the wide-spread use of credit cards in the USA and Glass-Steagall? Or did I read something wrong?

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#68 What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#69 What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#75 What was your first home computer?

for little more drift, GLBA eventually had a number of different/lots of provisions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm%E2%80%93Leach%E2%80%93Bliley_Act

including original/primary trying to prevent new competition in banking (especially payment transactions), and then opt-out personal information sharing (pre-empting state opt-in) as well as repeal of Glass-Steagall
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#Pecora&/orGlass-Steagall
enabling too big to fail
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail

person responsible for GLBA is #2 on times list
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877330,00.html
of those responsible for the economic mess
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#economic.mess

not so much for GLBA, but provision added to commodity futures modernization act preventing CDS (gambling bets) regulation.

From the law of unintended consequences, preventing CDS gambling bets was originally billed as "gift" to ENRON
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#enron

when the chairman of CFTC originally proposed CDS regulation, they were quickly replaced by "#2's" wife while "#2" got provision added prohibiting regulation. His wife then resigns and joins the ENRON board and audit committee ... recent posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#8 "Too big to fail" was Malicious Cyber Activity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#40 The economics of corporate crime
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#8 Congress just obliterated Obama-era rules preventing ISPs from selling your browsing history
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#41 [CM] cheap money, was What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#8 [CM] What was your first home computer?

Securitized mortgages had been used during the S&L crisis to obfuscate fraudulent mortgages
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#s&l.crisis

In 1999, I was asked to help try and prevent the economic mess by improving the integrity of supporting documents in securitized mortgages. They then find they can pay the credit rating agencies for triple-A rating (when the rating agencies knew they weren't worth triple-A, from Oct2008 congressional testimony). Triple-A trumps supporting documents and they can start doing no-documentation, liar loans. With triple-A they can sell off everything they originate so they no longer have to care about borrower's qualification or loan quality ... largely enabling being able to do over $27T 2001-2008 (including selling to entities required to only deal in "safe" investments like large pension funds).

Then they find they can do securitized loans designed to fail, pay for triple-A, sell to their victims, and take out CDS gambling bets (regulation blocked courtesy of #2 on times list responsible for economic mess, originally billed as gift to ENRON) that they would fail, creating enormous demand for bad loans (now they cared about loan quality, but not in the normal expected way).

The largest holder of CDS gambling bets was AIG and was negotiating to pay off at 50cents on the dollar when the SECTREAS steps in and has them sign a document that they can't sue those making the CDS gambling bets and to take TARP funds to pay off at face value. The largest recipient of TARP funds was AIG and the largest recipient of the face value payoffs was the firm formally headed by SECTREAS ... who is #6 on times list of those responsible for the economic mess.
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877341,00.html

aka above mentions #6 responsible for mess of bailout bill ... aka TARP ... but that may have been the objective all along ... never really intended to use for buying off-book toxic assets.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#toxic.cdo

and #1 is one of the major person paying for triple-A ratings on securitized mortgages (w/o caring about borrower's qualifications or loan quality)
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877339,00.html

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Early use of word "computer", 1944

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: Early use of word "computer", 1944
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 13:24:21 -0700
Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> writes:
The Dieppe landing was a disaster for the Allies. The Germans won, but that is not what the press and public were told. The most important lesson learnt was that port facilities are easy for the retreating army to destroy - so do not bother trying to capture a port. The invasion plan for 1943, that involved capturing a port, was thrown away and replaced by an invasion in 1944. On D-day the Allies landed on a beach away from towns and brought their own harbour.

except some were severely damaged in storm.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulberry_harbour
The Mulberry harbour at Omaha Beach had been severely damaged in a storm in late June 1944 and was abandoned.
... snip ...

Part of the original plan was to take & use Antwerp for major/real port (with sufficient capacity), but that wasn't happening. However, Marshall fought hard to continue with Anvil (British were constantly trying to divert Anvil resources to balkans and eastern Mediterranean) and take Marseilles in southern France ... and that became the major supply port with sufficient capacity

"General of the Army: George C. Marshall" has slightly different take on importance of Marseilles from the Mulberry wiki, past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#79 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#84 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#54 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#62 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#120 For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#121 For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)

pg456/loc9607-9:
A week after the landings, Bordeaux fell; in another week, Marseilles and Toulon were in Allied hands. With them, Eisenhower had gained the port capacity necessary to supply his ammunition- and gasoline-short armies. By the time the Combined Chiefs of Staff gathered in Quebec, Marshall, the principal exponent of ANVIL, had been vindicated.
... snip ...

other D-day, (4 engine) high-altitude strategic heavy bombers w/Norden sights .... aka B17s. European Campaign, loc2582-85:
The bomber preparation of Omaha Beach was a total failure, and German defenses on Omaha Beach were intact as American troops came ashore. At Utah Beach, the bombers were a little more effective because the IXth Bomber Command was using B-26 medium bombers. Wisely, in preparation for supporting the invasion, maintenance crews removed Norden bombsights from the bombers and installed the more effective low-level altitude sights.
... snip ...

military-industrial complex
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex

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Go Greyhound and leave the computing to us ???

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: Go Greyhound and leave the computing to us ???
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 16:46:25 -0700
hancock4 writes:
I am just surprised that Greyhound, as a transportation company, got into this business.

Greyhound Lines, Inc. History
http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/greyhound-lines-inc-history/
In 1962 Greyhound purchased Booth Leasing and soon became the largest industrial leasing company in the world. Among the items offered for leasing were computers, locomotives, and jet airplanes. (In 1966 a separate computer leasing company was formed.) In addition, a money order firm, Traveller's Express, and an insurance company, General Fire and Casualty, had been added to Greyhound's list of purchases by 1965. Greyhound's food services were expanded in 1964 with the acquisition of a roadside restaurant chain, Horne's, and Prophet Foods, a large industrial and institutional caterer. In 1967 Greyhound continued to make acquisitions in the service industry. One of these purchases, Aircraft Services International, provided ground handling and janitorial services. Greyhound also began to provide food for the airlines.
... snip ...

Greyhound Lines
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greyhound_Lines
By the 1970s, Greyhound had moved its headquarters to Phoenix, Arizona and was a large and diversified company, with holdings in everything from the Armour meat-packing company (which in turn owned the popular Dial deodorant soap brand), acquired in 1970; Traveller's Express money orders, MCI bus manufacturing company, and even airliner leasing.
... snip ...

Greyhound Computer Corporation, Inc., Plaintiff-appellant, v. International Business Machines Corporation, Defendant-appellee, 559 F.2d 488 (9th Cir. 1977)
http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/559/488/436621/
We agree with the district court that Greyhound's separate claim that IBM breached a contractual obligation to provide services to first users of IBM machines was not supported by sufficient evidence to carry it to the jury. Viewed most favorably to Greyhound, the evidence showed only that some unspecified customers had bargained on an individual basis for some unspecified allotment of only generally defined services, and that some undetermined portion of these services had been withheld.

Affirmed in part, reversed in part, and remanded for further proceedings in accordance with this opinion.

... snip ...

Note by this time, Future System effort (lack of 370 products during the FS period is credited with giving clone makers market foothold) had imploded and there was mad rush to get products back into the product pipeline ... 3033 & 370/xa (3081) kicked off in parallel
http://www.jfsowa.com/computer/memo125.htm

FS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 05:33:05 -0700
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
... Confidence Men: Wall Street, Washington, and the Education of a President
http://www.amazon.com/Confidence-Men-Washington-Education-ebook/dp/B0089LOKKS

pg290:
Well, I said, 'The trouble with the United States recently is we spent several decades not producing many civil engineers and producing a huge number of financial engineers. And the result is s**tty bridges and a s**tty financial system!'
... snip ...


re:
http://wwww.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#72 [CM] What was your first home computer?

The U.S. Has Forgotten How to Do Infrastructure; The nation once built things fast and cheaply. Now experts are puzzled why costs are higher and projects take longer than in other countries.
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-05-31/the-u-s-has-forgotten-how-to-do-infrastructure
Unfortunately, this is going to be hard, given all the vested interests and institutional inertia blocking deep reform of the construction sector. As Yglesias ruefully notes, a study by the Government Accountability Office looking into the problem of high train-construction costs was recently killed by Congress, with no explanation given.
... snip ...

... could it be large lobbying payments paid to congress by special interests?

... and maybe long delays is simply all the parties needing to work out the enormous graft and corruption ... like what has been claimed for the boston "big dig" ... something that was supposed to be $2B becomes $20B ... and then Mass. senator claiming the federal gov. "owed" it to Mass. (the graft and corruption being equated to some sort of economic stimulus)

I've commented before about moving to Mass. in 1970 when I joined the science center at tech sq
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#54tech

driving cross country in the winter ... the I90/Mass pike sections with frost heaves was worse road than county/state roads across the rockies. That mass pike possibly had been done with improper road bed and that other roads in mass. appeared to use water soluble asphalt.

I was told by locals it was part of the state highway construction industry ... that way that got annual reoccurring payments for non-stop road work.

past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#22 Roads as Runways Was: Re: BA Solves Y2K (Was: Re: Chinese Solve Y2K)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002i.html#28 trains was: Al Gore and the Internet
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002i.html#35 pop density was: trains was: Al Gore and the Internet
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002i.html#36 pop density was: trains was: Al Gore and the Internet
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002j.html#42 Transportation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002j.html#68 Killer Hard Drives - Shrapnel?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003j.html#11 Idiot drivers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#45 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#62 Fixing our fraying Internet infrastructure
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008l.html#24 dollar coins
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008l.html#26 dollar coins
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008l.html#36 dollar coins
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#12 OT: Tax breaks to Oracle debated
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#4 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#72 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#72 IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#76 IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical)

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Early use of word "computer", 1944

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: Early use of word "computer", 1944
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 06:46:24 -0700
7 times Allied troops stole Nazi vehicles
http://www.businessinsider.com/7-times-allied-troops-stole-nazi-vehicles-2017-5
They were far ahead of the other combatants in jet-powered flight, had amazing tanks, and created awesome examples of prop aircraft. So the Allies may have lifted a few of their better vehicles in an effort to see how best to destroy them and, in many cases, how to rip off the technology to use for American equipment.

Here are seven times Allied troops stole Nazi vehicles and technology:

... snip ...

from
http://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/xx-times-allied-troops-stole-nazi-vehicles

including: "British commandos stole a Nazi radar station"
http://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/that-time-british-paratroopers-stole-a-nazi-radar-station-from-occupied-france
The raid received praise from all over, including the Germans and Americans. A German report from the leader of the army's airborne forces praised the execution of the raid.

A New York Times article dated March 3, 1942, predicted that the success of the raid had "changed the nature of warfare itself" and that soon these types of commando units and actions would grow to encompass much larger formations such as the airborne divisions that the Allies formed.

... snip ...

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 09:01:58 -0700
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
The US military says its 15-month bombing campaign on the Islamic State is depleting its munitions supply and that additional money and other support is "critical" for "the long fight."

...

The Air Force has reportedly fired more than 20,000 bombs and missiles in Syria in the fight to dismantle the self-proclaimed Islamic State.

... snip ...

Note: 2015 estimated number of ISIS in Syria was 19,000-25,000 ... i.e. had fired approx. one bomb/missile for every ISIS with little impact on numbers (spending million dollars/ISIS and not succeeding).

more recent:

U.S. Running Low on Bombs Due to Strikes Against ISIS
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/u-s-running-low-bombs-due-to-strikes-against-isis/
US military is hammering ISIS so heavily it is running out of bombs
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/798279/US-military-bombing-ISIS-low-munitions-Donald-Trump-North-Korea


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#60 [CM] What was your first home computer?

and:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#1 How Desert Storm Destroyed the US Military
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#14 Fast OODA-Loops increase Maneuverability
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#58 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#75 [CM] What was your first home computer?

more perpetual war
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#75 [CM] What was your first home computer?

America's Afghan War: 16 Years, as Many as One Million Killed -- and the War Machine Keeps on Rolling No wonder that the Taliban has been making swift gains over the past few years. Its adversary is not prepared to contain its advance.
http://www.alternet.org/world/americas-afghan-war-16-years-many-one-million-killed-and-war-machine-keeps-rolling
The Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR), a U.S. monitor for the money spent, has released 35 reports of considerable merit. They make for harrowing reading. They show that corruption has been endemic to the process of reconstruction. Little can be seen for the billions of dollars spent to rebuild Afghanistan
... snip ...

besides long-term cost to the US
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#48 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#52 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#54 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#56 [CM] What was your first home computer?

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Early use of word "computer", 1944

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: Early use of word "computer", 1944
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 18:29:46 -0700
JimP. <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
From what I have read, and seen in various documentaries, if Germany had hung on, the first armoic bomb was going to be dropped on Berlin. They surrendered before it was completed, so Japan was hit by 2 instead of 1.

soviets would have overrun germany before that happened ...

How the Soviet Union helped save the world from Hitler during World War II; 'It was the Western Allies' extreme good fortune that the Russians, and not themselves, paid almost the entire 'butcher's bill' for defeating Nazi Germany'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/the-soviet-union-helped-save-the-world-from-hitler-a7020926.html
Don't forget how the Soviet Union saved the world from Hitler
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/05/08/dont-forget-how-the-soviet-union-saved-the-world-from-hitler/

following opinion poll in 1945, majority believed Russia had defeated Germany and only 20% believed US had defeated Germany. However 2015 poll, the numbers had inverted

Who Beat Hitler? USA, Britain, Or Russia
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-09/who-beat-hitler-usa-britain-or-russia

... and analysis that japan didn't surrender because of the a-bombs (they continued on after fire-bombing of tokyo which took more lives than either a-bombs) ... but because the soviets were coming ... recent posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#17 5 Naval Battles That Changed History Forever
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#18 5 Naval Battles That Changed History Forever

The Bomb Didn't Beat Japan ... Stalin Did; Have 70 years of nuclear policy been based on a lie?
http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/30/the-bomb-didnt-beat-japan-stalin-did/
Why did Japan surrender?; Sixty-six years ago, we dropped a nuclear bomb on Hiroshima. Now, some historians say that's not what ended the war.
http://archive.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2011/08/07/why_did_japan_surrender/
Would Japan have surrendered without the atomic bombings?
https://www.stripes.com/news/special-reports/world-war-ii-the-final-chapter/wwii-victory-in-japan/would-japan-have-surrendered-without-the-atomic-bombings-1.360300
Japanese students were generally taught a very different narrative: that Japan already had been defeated and dropping the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki three days apart was a geopolitical calculation to keep the Soviet Union at bay.
... snip ...

military-industrial complex
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex

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[CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 22:08:09 -0700
hancock4 writes:
Government is infamous for diverting money from one fund to another. When this is discovered, the responsible politicians are long out of office and no one bothers to call them to task.

One problem is that the public has ZERO interest in money matters. The newspapers all the time publicize the crap found in audits, but the public doesn't care, unless sex is involved.

Also, skillful politicians know how to dramatize very trivial issues and get the public all-excited, while igorning substantive issues.


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#72 [CM] What was your first home computer?

i.e. local DC news periodic refers to DC politics as "Kabuki Theater", what you see publickly has little to do with what really goes on
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#kabuki.theater

old thread on medicaid ... run by states but feds cover 50%. there is estimate of 20-30% fraud and/or inflated billing.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#71 "Rat Your Boss" or "Rats to Riches," the New SEC
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#37 WHAT, WHY AND HOW - FRAUD, IMPACT OF AUDIT
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#12 Happy 100th Birthday, IBM!
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#31 Happy 100th Birthday, IBM!
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#37 Happy 100th Birthday, IBM!
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#69 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#81 Should the IBM approach be given a chance to fix the health care system?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#86 Should the IBM approach be given a chance to fix the health care system?

FEDS started offerring states increase from 50% to 60% of medicaid if the staates would adopt "best practices" for billing (billing data improvements prevents lots of the fraud/abuse) and fraud recovery many state legislations approved the arrangement, there was at least 20% reduction in overall medicaid ... win-win for both feds and states ... the states got an additional bonus from the FEDs (states was .5x, now .4*.8x = .32*old, feds now .6*.8x = .48*old).

However, for several states the legislature wouldn't pass the legislation approving the "best practices" ... the fed deal had no personnal benefit for the members of the state legislature. medicaid suppliers would pay members of the state legislature large amounts to maintain the status quo (in some states, head of medicaid fraud resigned over legislature not passing act).

2014, medicaid $415B, total medical fraud/abuse estimate between $82B & $272B but doesn't say how many states have adopted anti-fraud best practices
http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21603078-why-thieves-love-americas-health-care-system-272-billion-swindle
The CMS is still getting to grips with a new predictive-analysis system, which was introduced in 2011 to catch Medicare fraud earlier and is modelled on tools used by credit-card firms. This identified $115m of dodgy payments in 2012, its first full year.
...
A bigger worry is that, as ever more Medicare and Medicaid beneficiaries move to "managed care" (privately administered) plans, government sleuths will have access to less data. This could lead to lower fraud-related recoveries.
... snip ...

aka:
Fraudsters bank on public and private payers not working together to connect the dots, said Louis Saccoccio, the head of the NHCAA, at a recent hearing.
.... snip ...

but then there are the bigger guys lobbying congress and other places. FEDs have a law that corporations that don't pay their federal taxes can't bid on federal contracts ... however, there are constact reports of corporations failing to pay federal taxes then lobbying their members of congress to get exemption allowing eligible for federal contracts.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007i.html#81 illegal aliens
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014b.html#100 Royal Pardon For Turing

that is separate from congress allowing fiscal responsibility act to lapse in 2002 ... CBO reporting that 2003-2009, taxes cut $6T and spending increased $6T for $12T budget gap compared to fiscal responsibiity budget.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#fiscal.responsibility.act

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Early use of word "computer", 1944

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: Early use of word "computer", 1944
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2017 09:27:54 -0700
JimP. <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
Interesting in that every thing I have read, and from statements by Japanese officials interviewed after Japan surrendered, if the 2 bombs had not dropped they would have fought on with bamboo spears if necessary. Young kids were taught how to get under a tank and as they are being crushed the backpack they wore would explode taking out the tank. The bamboo spears were to be wielded by teenage girls and older women in mass ranks. The Allied projection was 1,000,000 invading Allied soldiers would die. The two bombs killed fewer people than the projected casualties for both sides. Of course, there are those out there who didn't live back in those times who claim the bomb drops were unnecessary.

re:
http://www.garlic.oom/~lynn/2017f.html#17 5 Naval Battles That Changed History Forever
http://www.garlic.oom/~lynn/2017f.html#18 5 Naval Battles That Changed History Forever
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#82 Early use of word "computer", 1944

But not more than fire bombing cities that they had already experienced (McNamara was LeMay's stafff planning fire bombing german and japanese cities, McNamara later quotes LeMay as saying if the US had lost the war, they would have been tried for war crimes for the fire bombing).

I've seen numerous western accounts after Okinawa, then justification for a-bomb was because the homeland would be worse. past post
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#64 OT: "Highway Patrol" back on TV

"American Caesar: Douglas MacArthur 1880 - 1964", loc:8789-90:
The consensus was that Japan would hold out possibly for another two years.

loc:8815-17:
He had no illusions about the savagery that lay ahead-he told Stimson that Downfall would "cost over a million casualties to American forces alone"—but he was confident that with the tanks from Europe he could outmaneuver the defenders on the great Kanto Plain before Tokyo.
... snip ...

book mentions that in retrospect they had as grossly over-estimated Japan at the end as they had under-estimated before the beginning.

...

aka the million casualty quotes may have all originated from single source.

The counter explanation is that the Soviets entering the fray would be more ruthless than any defenders .... and a-bomb was warning to the soviets

Okinawa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Okinawa
http://www.historynet.com/battle-of-okinawa-operation-iceberg.htm

military-industrial complex
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex

misc other past posts mentioning US fire bombing cities
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#52 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#55 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#33 The wars in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan were lost before they began, not on the battlefields
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#60 For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#8 What Does School Really Teach Children
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#30 AM radio Qbasic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#82 "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#90 "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016e.html#113 E.R. Burroughs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#27 British socialism / anti-trust
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#56 "One Nation Under God: How Corporate America Invented Christian America"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#64 Strategic Bombing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#21 "I used a real computer at home...and so will you" (Popular Science May 1967)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#32 "I used a real computer at home...and so will you" (Popular Science May 1967)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#38 Imperial Hubris
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#60 [CM] What was your first home computer?

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Early use of word "computer", 1944

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: Early use of word "computer", 1944
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2017 10:02:42 -0700
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#82 Early use of word "computer", 1944
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#84 Early use of word "computer", 1944

also, John Foster Dulles (and many of his US banking & corporate clients) played major role in building German industry and mulitary in 20s, 30s, and still into early 40s ... including supporting Nazis. Later during the McCarthyism period
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

John Foster gave as a justification for supporting Nazis, was building up Germany as counter to the Soviets. The anti-Soviet pre-occupation could be part of the explanation that a-bomb was warning to soviets.

military-industrial complex
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex

still lots of US industry/corporate support for Nazis at the German June1940 NYC Waldorf-Astoria victory celebration;
http://www.amazon.com/Man-Called-Intrepid-Incredible-Narrative-ebook/dp/B00V9QVE5O/

recent posts mentioning US support for Nazis (lot of which has been written out of much of US history)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#10 Separation church and state
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#63 One Nation Under God: How Corporate America Invented Christian America
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#97 Trump to sign cyber security order
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#40 Job Loyalty
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#54 Mary Jo White Seriously Misled The US Senate To Become SEC Chair
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#64 Jean Tirole's Proposal to Appoint Felons to Monitor CEOs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#36 Trump's S.E.C. Nominee Disclosure Offers Rare Glimpse of Clients and Conflicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#91 Godwin's Law should force us to remember & fear our shared heritage with Nazi Germany
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#38 Imperial Hubris
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#55 Should America Have Entered World War I?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#22 Ironic old "fortune"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#23 Ironic old "fortune"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#60 The Illusion Of Victory: America In World War I
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#69 The knives are out for Trump's national security adviser H.R. McMaster
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#18 5 Naval Battles That Changed History Forever
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#41 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#55 [CM] What was your first home computer?

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IBM Goes to War with Oracle: IT Customers Praise Result

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: IBM Goes to War with Oracle: IT Customers Praise Result
Date: 07 June 2017
Blog: Facebook
IBM Goes to War with Oracle: IT Customers Praise Result
http://techspective.net/2017/06/05/ibm-goes-war-oracle-customers-praise-result/

Some people at Stanford come to IBM (PASC) about producing workstation they developed. PASC scheduled review with several IBM groups ... including group in Boca with unannounced ibm/pc. All the IBM groups claimed they were doing something significantly better and IBM shouldn't produce SUN workstation. past posts mention IBM declined to do SUN workstations ... some past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/96.html#4a John Hartmann's Birthday Party
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008h.html#30 Stanford University Network (SUN) 3M workstation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014g.html#98 After the Sun (Microsystems) Sets, the Real Stories Come Out

As part of IBM's HA/CMP,
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hacmp
we were doing cluster scale up, both scientific/technical with national labs and commercial with RDBMS vendors (IBM didn't have non-mainfrsme RDBMS). We had meeting with Oracle Jan1992 in Ellison's conference room on commercial HA/CMP scale up
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/95.html#13
but IBM's mainframe group complained that if we were allowed to go ahead, it would be a minimum of 5yrs ahead of them. some old cluster scaleup email
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#medusa

Within a couple weeks, cluster scale up was transferred, announced as supercomputer for scientific/technical ONLY, and we were told we couldn't work on anything with more than 4 processors. ... 17Feb1992 press scientific and technical only
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#6000clusters1
11May1992 press, suprised by national lab interest in cluster scaleup
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#6000clusters2

From the annals of never release any software before it's time, nearly 20yrs later, IBM is announcing (non-mainframe) cluster RDBMS benchmarks against Oracle.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#43 From the Annals of Release No Software Before Its Time

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How a few yellow dots burned the Intercept's NSA leaker

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: How a few yellow dots burned the Intercept's NSA leaker
Date: 07 June 2017
Blog: Facebook
How a few yellow dots burned the Intercept's NSA leaker; By providing copy of leak, Intercept likely accelerated ID of contractor.
https://arstechnica.com/security/2017/06/how-a-few-yellow-dots-burned-the-intercepts-nsa-leaker/

IBM had a pentagon papers type event when a copy of document with details of unannounced 370 virtual memory makes into the hands of industry publication. Aftermath of the investigation ... all internal IBM copier machines had (unique) serial number under the glass plate so it shows up on all copies made on that machine ... shows up on this document copied nearly 15yrs later ("IBM-SJ-086")
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/grayft84.pdf

some past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#39 repeat after me: RAID != backup
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#73 Mainframe hacking?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012e.html#77 Just for a laugh... How to spot an old IBMer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014g.html#18 350 DBAs stare blankly when reminded super-users can pinch data
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015e.html#87 These hackers warned the Internet would become a security disaster. Nobody listened

As countermeasure, the following activity, "Future System" tried to use specially constructed VM370/CMS systems where "all" documentation was softcopy and could only be "read" from internal 3270 terminals.

Some FS Comments
http://www.jfsowa.com/computer/
Discussion of old FS evaluation
http://www.jfsowa.com/computer/memo125.htm
FS description and discussion
http://people.cs.clemson.edu/~mark/fs.html

posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys

note lots of FS single-level-store was taken from TSS/360, including rather poor performance/throughput. As undergraduate (before doing many cp67 performance enhancements) ... the TSS/360 SE and I did a simulated user script ... fortran edit, compile, bind/link-edit, execute (including simulate think/wait time). On same 360/67, I did 35 simulated CMS users with better throughput and response time than TSS/360 with 4 simulated users.

S/38 (and FS if it ever got to an implementation) single-level-store had similar throughput limitations. S/38 treated all disks as single filesystem and did scatter allocation (pieces of files could be spread across all disks) ... which didn't scale ... since the complete filesystem (all disks) had to be backed up as single entity ... and restored as single entity. As system sizes increased a single disk failure, a s/38 recovery could take 24hrs ... since the failed disk had to be replaced, and then a complete system restore had to be performed (can you imagine 300 disk drive system??). Fortuantely, performance/throughput didn't play that much of a factor in s/38 entry-level customers.

I did a page-mapped filesystem for cp/67-cms that ran much faster than native cms filesystem (I claimed that i learned what not to do from observing IBM's tss/360) ... and while various of my enhancements were picked up and shipped in vm370/cms ... single-level-store had gotten such bad reputation from FS ... that wasn't one of the items. past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#mmap

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IBM Story

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: IBM Story
Date: 07 June 2017
Blog: Facebook
Not long after graduating and joining IBM I was asked to run around some with new CSO, as common in the period companies tended to hire people that had formally been with the gov.,, this one at one time had been head of presidential detail. I was suppose to talk about computer security ... and a little physical security rubbed off on me. some past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005g.html#55 Security via hardware?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#0 Patent buster for a method that increases password security
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#55 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#56 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008.html#17 Usefulness of bidirectional read/write?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008f.html#49 How do OTP tokens work?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008f.html#54 How do OTP tokens work?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008h.html#81 Microsoft versus Digital Equipment Corporation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#24 Top 10 Cybersecurity Threats for 2009, will they cause creation of highly-secure Corporate-wide Intranets?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009r.html#39 While watching Biography about Bill Gates on CNBC last Night
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009r.html#41 While watching Biography about Bill Gates on CNBC last Night
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010j.html#19 Personal use z/OS machines was Re: Multiprise 3k for personal Use?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010j.html#33 Personal use z/OS machines was Re: Multiprise 3k for personal Use?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#37 Mainframe Hacking -- Fact or Fiction
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010m.html#50 Has there been a change in US banking regulations recently?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#3a The Great Cyberheist
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#8 Plug Your Data Leaks from the inside
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#53 Programmer Charged with thieft (maybe off topic)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#29 Looking for a real Fortran-66 compatible PC compiler (CP/M or DOSor Windows
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#49 Does outsourcing cause data loss?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012n.html#27 System/360--50 years--the future?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#61 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013n.html#60 Bridgestone Sues IBM For $600 Million Over Allegedly 'Defective' System That Plunged The Company Into 'Chaos'
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014i.html#54 IBM Programmer Aptitude Test
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014k.html#63 LA Times commentary: roll out "smart" credit cards to deter fraud
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015e.html#28 The real story of how the Internet became so vulnerable
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#43 Ransomware
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#50 A flaw in the design; The Internet's founders saw its promise but didn't foresee users attacking one another
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#90 Ransomware on Mainframe application ?

Much later, I had project I called HSDT involved T1 (1.5mbits/sec) and faster speed links (at a time when fastest IBM product supported only 56kbiit/sec) ... both terrestrial and satellite. Because of satellite, got invited to launch ... and in the stands a couple seats over was somebody that had formally walked on the moon.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#hsdt

Since the communication group didn't have T1 support, they prepared a report for the executive committee why customer's didn't want T1 (at least for the next decade). Their (37x5) products had "fat-pipe" support, multiple parallel 56kbit links running as single logical link. They showed number of "fat-pipes" for 2, 3, 4, 5 56kbit links ... which dropped to zero by 6. Turns out what they didn't know (or carefully failed to report to the executive committee) was that telco tariffs for 5-6 56kbit links was about the same as single T1 .... and customers switch to straight T1 support from some other vendor. some past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003m.html#28 SR 15,15
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003m.html#59 SR 15,15
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004g.html#37 network history
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005j.html#59 Q ALLOC PAGE vs. CP Q ALLOC vs ESAMAP
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006l.html#4 Google Architecture
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#21 SNA/VTAM for NSFNET
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008e.html#45 1975 movie "Three Days of the Condor" tech stuff
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#19 Nerdy networking kid crashes the party
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009l.html#24 August 7, 1944: today is the 65th Anniversary of the Birth of the Computer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009l.html#44 SNA: conflicting opinions
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#80 Entry point for a Mainframe?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010i.html#69 Favourite computer history books?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#16 Other early NSFNET backbone
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#40 Other early NSFNET backbone
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011h.html#54 Did My Brother Invent E-Mail With Tom Van Vleck? (Part One)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011p.html#98 Has anyone successfully migrated off mainframes?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012c.html#41 Where are all the old tech workers?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012g.html#41 VM Workshop 2012
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#80 A joke seen in an online discussion about moving a box of tape backups
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012j.html#87 Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012j.html#89 Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012k.html#29 History--punched card transmission over telegraph lines
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012m.html#24 Does the IBM System z Mainframe rely on Security by Obscurity or is it Secure by Design
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#47 PC/mainframe browser(s) was Re: 360/20, was 1132 printerhistory
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#45 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#66 OSI: The Internet That Wasn't
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014e.html#7 Last Gasp for Hard Disk Drives
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014e.html#13 The IBM Strategy
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014j.html#66 No Internet. No Microsoft Windows. No iPods. This Is What Tech Was Like In 1984
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#108 How Much Bandwidth do we have?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015d.html#40 Remember 3277?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015d.html#47 Western Union envisioned internet functionality
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015e.html#2 Western Union envisioned internet functionality
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#82 Qbasic - lies about Medicare
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#29 Samsung's million-IOPS, 6.4TB, 64Gb/s SSD is ... well, quite something
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#46 1970--a family gets a home computer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#57 TV Show "Hill Street Blues"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#69 ComputerWorld Says: Cobol plays major role in U.S. government breaches

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IBM Story

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: IBM Story
Date: 07 June 2017
Blog: Facebook
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#88 IBM Story

RSA 2000 party

there was the party/gala at RSA 2000 ... written up in the press as the last great party of the valley. Somebody at IBM had written the check ... San Jose coliseum, jefferson starship performing ... by the time of the party, things were already imploding and the person at IBM had been reliaved of his duties ... but the checks had already been written ... so he was in tuxedo on the steps of the coliseum greeting attendees. As we came in, he introduced us to the person next to him (some other IBM executive, but I don't remember now).

scroll out to the right to the "RSA Conference 2000 IBM Gala Program" (gone 404, but lives on at the wayback machine)
http://web.archive.org/web/20070206152557/http://www.joemonica.com/pages/print.html

somebody's trip report
http://seclists.org/politech/2000/Jan/58
http://seclists.org/politech/2000/Jan/54

above also mentions PGP & Phil Z. topic drift: old email discusses proposal for PGP-like implementation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007d.html#email810506
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#email810515
other old crypto email
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#publickey

Somebody from IBM was escorting around CEO from a PKI digital certificate company. He saw me and introduced me to the CEO. The CEO asked me what I was doing. I told him I was on campaign to eradicate digital certificates from the face of the earth ... they quickly scurried away. A couple years later, that company had gone out of business.

IBM's gala at RSA '99 wasn't even remotely as extravagant ... and only $250K
http://pix.paip.net/Party/IBM99/

disclaimer: I was brought in to help wordsmith some cal. legislation, including the cal. electronic signature legislation. They had been under heavy lobbying pressure by the PKI industry to mandate digital certificates for the electronic signature legislation. some past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subpubkey.html#signature

past posts:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006r.html#15 50th Anniversary of invention of disk drives
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012b.html#69 PKI and SSL - the jaws of trust snap shut
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#54 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?

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pneumatic cash systems was Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: pneumatic cash systems was Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 19:52:27 -0700
Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> writes:
We get used to separate cashes in the various departments of a department store, it's easy to forget that one isn't obligated to use that cash (or prohibited from paying for something from another department there).

But stores like Walmart, and Target (and others here in Canada) go the route of a bank of cashes at the exit, just like a grocery store, so both ways work. Even Sears here in Canada has has moved to more centralized cash registers, which likely means they need fewer employees, or at least employees aren't waiting around for customers.


multiple servers handling single queue can be much more efficient for the institution as well as customer.

under medium load, they will let customers line up at casher of their choice (assumption that customer will dynamically load balance). However under peak/heavy loads ... I've seen them setup single queue with human directing to the next available cashier.

computer related ... this comes closer to my long time rant about global LRU outperforming local LRU .... somebody needs a page ... and global LRU checks all possible pages for virtual page as best choice to replace (serve) ... while local LRU, partitions and only examines small subset. local LRU can come close to global LRU when everything is steady state and homogeneous ... but real world tends to be bursty and non-homogeneous ... one partition has a bunch of non-used pages while another partition has high demand for partition. LRU & local/global past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#clock

Something similar was remote 3270 with 19.2kbits link per controller or channel extension with T1 for group of controllers. Total bandwidth and total 3270 terminals are the same ... best case for remote 3270 is 19.2kbits, but 3270 terminal activity tends to be very bursty (full-screen writes and possibly full screen reads) ... shared T1 will never be worse than remote 3270 and majority of the time enormously better. channel extension posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#channel.extender

similar analysis with 37x5 telecommunication controller supporting 19.2kbit remote 3270, versus Series1 and some non-IBM hadware
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#67 System/1 ?

when google started out with load increasing ... they load balanced queries against back-end server with rotating DNS A-records (i.e. they would change the top ip-address in the list of server ip-addresses for "google.com"). That worked somewhat ... however, large ISPs cache DNS responses ... so it would be static for potentitally 2-3 hrs (server with ip-address at top of list would be overloaded, while other servers in the list would have little or no traffic). They then went to pool of internet facing routers that had extra code that would track back-end server load and do dynamic routing for load-balancing requests to the backend servers.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005o.html#13 RFC 2616 change proposal to increase speed
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009s.html#59 Problem with XP scheduler?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010m.html#51 Has there been a change in US banking regulations recently?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011o.html#81 What is Cloud Computing?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#83 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#61 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#8 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015d.html#50 Western Union envisioned internet functionality
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#35 Moving to the Cloud

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pneumatic cash systems was Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: pneumatic cash systems was Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 08:27:00 -0700
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
Shops with a lot of people buying small(ish) amounts here tend to have a single queue to a bank of tills with a light above each till to show free tills - if the next person in the queue isn't alert the till operator will just shout "Next Please".

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#90 pneumatic cash systems was Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?

places like coffee shops with multiple clerks taking orders and single queue ... "next please" sometimes is said several times, increasingly louder.

slightly larger, pull paper number from dispenser, multiple server/clerks behind counter and lighted number. free clerk will increment number and call it out loud. customers not actually in line/queue , but milling around and may have wandered off ... so clerk may have to repeat for several numbers.

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pneumatic cash systems was Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: pneumatic cash systems was Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 09:01:05 -0700
Osmium <r124c4u102@comcast.net> writes:
Just observing what goes on in the world, it is obvious to me that almost no one understands even the rudiments of queuing theory, exemplified by the above statement. I blame the colleges, they should make such a course mandatory for business majors. The need for such knowledge is rudimentary all over the place in business, much like calculus is mandatory for science.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#90 pneumatic cash systems was Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#91 pneumatic cash systems was Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?

much simpler ... airlines calling bording by seat number ranges ... large number of people not able to tell whether their seat number is within range. airlines then start printing boarding group letter ... only board when their letter is called. still some significant number of people don't even understand directions ... just when they see some number of the crowd moving ... they start moving also.

that is separate from the people that don't believe rules apply to them ... recent articles about people (fraudulently) claiming "service dog" for their dog ... and I've previously posted about people parking in handicapped parking, a couple old handicapped parking posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003e.html#46 MP cost effectiveness
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#26 Linguistic loggerheads
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013n.html#11 50th anniversary S/360 coming up

and some number of articles that make survey of ethical behavior and identify graduates like lawyers, economists, MBAs, investmnet bankers being especially ethically challenged ... effectively being taught that systems are something to be "gamed".

and with regard to references having been asked in 1999 to try and help stop the coming economic mess,
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#economic.mess

I've periodically posted about wallstreet and investment banking especially attractive to sociopaths ... as well as programs that pay prominent economists to fabricate excuses for what went on.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#16 should I encrypt over a private network?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#21 The first personal computer (PC)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#28 The first personal computer (PC)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#51 Advice from Richard P. Feynman
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#52 How Many Divisions Does Standard and Poors Have?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#4 Geithner, Bernanke have little in arsenal to fight new crisis
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#5 AIG's Bank Of America Suit Puts Trashy Paper On Display
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012p.html#62 Search Google, 1960:s-style
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#20 The Big Fail
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#57 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#73 More Whistleblower Leaks on Foreclosure Settlement Show Both Suppression of Evidence and Gross Incompetence
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#44 Adair Turner: A New Debt-Free Money Advocate
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#89 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#29 The agency problem and how to create a criminogenic environment
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#1 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#48 Ex-Wall Street chieftains living large in post-meltdown world
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#52 Lehman Brothers collapse: was capitalism to blame?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#76 The Scholars Who Shill for Wall Street
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013o.html#81 Academics Who Defend Wall St. Reap Reward
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014b.html#3 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014c.html#68 Economists and our responsibilities to society
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#2 weird apple trivia
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015.html#24 Forget the McDonnells. We're ignoring bigger, more pernicious corruption right under our noses
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#67 Economics Has a Math Problem
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#73 Economists' Tribal Thinking
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#28 rationality
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#38 Ransomware
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#84 Wells Fargo "Admits Deceiving" U.S. Government, Pays Record $1.2 Billion Settlement
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#26 How the computer transformed economics. And didn't
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#34 If economists want to be trusted again, they should learn to tell jokes

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Jean Sammet, Co-Designer of a Pioneering Computer Language, Dies at 89

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Jean Sammet, Co-Designer of a Pioneering Computer Language, Dies at 89
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 09:43:03 -0700
Jean Sammet, Co-Designer of a Pioneering Computer Language, Dies at 89
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/04/technology/obituary-jean-sammet-software-designer-cobol.html

She was at IBM 545 tech.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech

I would periodically come in on weekends with my kids and set them up to play spacewars ( had been ported to 2250m4, i.e. 1130+2250) ... but sometimes they would get away and chase each other up down the halls. Jean was usually the only other person in and would come by to complain that the kids were making too much noise

... language drift

GML was invented at science center in 1969 ... "G", "M", & "L" taken from the 3 person's last name. GML tag processing was then added to cms script formating (CMS script had previously been done as implementation of CTSS runoff). A decade later it morphs into ISO standard SGML. Another decade and SGML morphs into HTML at CERN.

gml/sgml history at science center by "G"
http://www.sgmlsource.com/history/roots.htm
SGML morph into HTML
http://infomesh.net/html/history/early
1st webserver in the US on SLAC's vm370/cms system
http://www.slac.stanford.edu/history/earlyweb/history.shtml

trivia: Object oriented operating systems had become rage in silicon valley, Apple was doing "PINK" and SUN was doing SPRING (which eventually get suspended/aborted). I had left IBM and SUN asks me if I would be interested in commercializing SPRING for product release. I do some reviews and decline to take on project. SPRING includes a client-side stub interpreter ... which looked a lot like JAVA ... but SUN JAVA people claim that they weren't influenced at all by SPRING.

other trivia: at the time of JAVA release, head of the SUN business unit had previously been at IBM Los Gatos lab and was one of two people responsible for original mainframe IBM Pascal.

past posts mentioning spring client-side stub interpreter
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001j.html#32 Whom Do Programmers Admire Now???
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003e.html#51 A Speculative question
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#69 The Perfect Computer - 36 bits?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008.html#46 Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomorrow?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#60 Architectural Diversity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#80 Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#18 Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer (warning: Conley rant)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012f.html#94 Time to competency for new software language?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#71 Future of COBOL based on RDz policies was Re: RDz or RDzEnterprise developers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014.html#85 the suckage of MS-DOS, was Re: 'Free Unix!
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014b.html#39 Resistance to Java
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#97 ABO Automatic Binary Optimizer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#46 The ICL 2900

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Jean Sammet, Co-Designer of a Pioneering Computer Language, Dies at 89

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: Jean Sammet, Co-Designer of a Pioneering Computer Language, Dies at 89
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 15:40:48 -0700
Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> writes:
Andy, or the other person (whose name I don't remember ever hearing)? I met Andy at a couple of SHAREs (Chicago and San Francisco). I'm assuming you mean "VS Pascal", the Type 3(?) program...

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#93 Jean Sammet, Co-Designer of a Pioneering Computer Language, Dies at 89

Los Gatos VLSI lab was using MetaWare's TWS to implement a number of mainframe tools (including pascal) for VLSI chip design ... past reference
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#62

STL then picked it up for customer release ... guy at STL didn't like me referencing Los Gatos or the two people that had done the original work ... including that they didn't even go to Pascal Standards meetings (but he was the one that went to all the standards meetings).

One of the two LSG guys leaves IBM for startup, then was VP of Software at MIPS, and after SGI buys MIPS, goes to SUN.

I was talking to the other LSG guy about doing a (mainframe) C language front-end for the psscal backend. I then leave for six weeks to give talks around Europe. When I get back, he had left IBM and joined Metaware. PASC is starting to work on port of BSD unix to mainframe and I suggest they contract Metaware for the (mainframe) C compiler. They start on the project with Metaware ... and then get redirected to do BSD port to the (801/risc ROMP) PC/RT ... which is released as AOS (somebody once asked why the PC/RT AOS/BSD used a Metaware C compiler). some 801 posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#801

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Early use of word "computer", 1944

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: Early use of word "computer", 1944
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 16:02:37 -0700
Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> writes:
failed, they had a different route. Time was of the essence, if they had to start from scratch if one path failed, it would take that much longer.

Of course, Hanford was in the news recently, a tunnel or something collapsing, it was used to store nuclear waste.

I guess Hanford became a site in part because of the electricity from the Grand Coolee Dam.


hanford is one of the worst polluted places in the country ... some posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#78 IBM commitment to academia
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#110 The Koch-Fueled Plot to Destroy the VA
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#92 Elections Fair?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#11 Trump to sign cyber security order
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#34 Good News and Bad News at Hanford, America's Most Polluted Site
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#83 Sleepwalking Into a Nuclear Arms Race with Russia
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#75 ComputerWorld Says: Cobol plays major role in U.S. government breaches

Bureau of Reclamation is starting 12yr modernization project ... replacing the original generators in powerhouse 1&2 (and upgrading reversable pumps, pumping water into banks lake during offpeak and reversing flow to generate electricity to peak periods) ... and they are expecting big influx of workers & their families into the area.

In the past federal government contributed heavily to local school system ... based on children of federal workers ... and there is little real estate base except for the dam. There is now something of battle between local school system and Bureau about funding big influx of students (possibly bureau doesn't want to ask congress for the money???).

dam also credited with electricity for producing aluminum used in WW2 planes
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#64

Grand Coulee Dam: Leaving a Legacy
https://depts.washington.edu/depress/grand_coulee.shtml
"Without Grand Coulee and Bonneville dams it would have been almost impossible to win this war."[23] Specifically, the Grand Coulee Dam provided the electricity needed to produce aluminum, which was crucial for the airplane construction taking place at Boeing in Seattle. With no capacity to produce aluminum in 1940, the Pacific Northwest was producing 36% of the nation's aluminum output by 1946. It is estimated that one third of the aluminum used in aircraft during World War II came from the power generated by the Grand Coulee Dam.
... snip ...

other Grand Coulee posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002n.html#43 VR vs. Portable Computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003d.html#32 IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#14 Geothermal was: VLIW pre-history
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008e.html#7 was: 1975 movie "Three Days of the Condor" tech stuff
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#68 VMware Chief Says the OS Is History
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010j.html#13 A "portable" hard disk
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010j.html#66 A "portable" hard disk
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#47 The first personal computer (PC)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012g.html#69 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012j.html#3 a clock in it, was Re: Interesting News Article
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012j.html#10 Interesting News Article
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012j.html#11 a clock in it, was Re: Interesting News Article
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#44 [Poll] Computing favorities
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#63 [Poll] Computing favorities

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IBM downfall

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: IBM downfall
Date: 09 June 2017
Blog: Facebook
late 80s, a senior disk engineer gets a talk scheduled at internal annual world-wide communication group conference supposedly on 3174 performance ... but opens the talk with the statement that the communication group was going to be responsible for the demise of the disk division. The issue was that the communication group had stanglehold on datacenters with strategic responsibility for everything that crossed the datacenter walls and were fiercely fighting off client/server and distributed computing, trying to preserve their (emulated) dumb terminal paradigm and install base. The disk division was seeing data fleeing the data center to more distributed computing friendly platforms with drop in disk sales. The disk division had come up with several solutions to address the problem but they were constantly being vetoed by the communication group. A few short years later the company has gone into the red. past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#terminal

mid-80s, senior executives were predicting that IBM revenue was going to double, mostly based on mainframe business and had huge bldg program to double mainframe manufacturing capacity ... even when things were starting to head in the opposite direction. There was also a lot of fast-track MBAs being rotated quickly through lots of the middle management positions (anticipating big business increase, even when things were starting to head in opposite direction).

AMEX was in competition with KKR for private equity take-over of RJR and KKR wins. KKR runs into trouble and hires away the president of AMEX to turn it around. IBM has gone into the red and was being reorganized into the 13 "baby blues" in preparation for breaking up the company. The board then hires away the former president of AMEX to reverse the breakup and resurrect the company ... using some of the same techniques used at RJR
http://www.ibmemployee.com/RetirementHeist.shtml

trivia: about same time that IBM has gone into the red, AMEX spins off much of its mainframe dataprocessing outsourcing business in the largest IPO up until that time. Beginning part of the century, I do stint at the company as chief scientist until KKR does what was the largest reverse IPO up until that time (15yrs after it was the largest IPO).

more trivia: former president of AMEX leaves IBM to head up another of the largest private equity operations .... which among other things will acquire the beltway bandit that will employ Snowden:
http://www.investingdaily.com/17693/spies-like-us/

companies in the private equity mill are under intense pressure to cut corners and generate revenue every way possible ... also responsible for responsible for half of all commercial defaults
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/05/business/economy/05simmons.html?_r=0

... last decade there had been uptic in gov outsourcing to private equity owned subsidiaries .... some of those doing security clearances were found to be filling out the paperwork, but not doing the background checks.

private equity posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#private.equity
former president of AMEX posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#gerstner

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The evolution of the laptop computer

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: The evolution of the laptop computer
Date: 09 June 2017
Blog: Facebook
The evolution of the laptop computer
http://www.techrepublic.com/pictures/the-evolution-of-the-laptop-computer/

5100 done by PASC, they also did the APL microcode assist for 370/145 (lots of APL on 145 ran almost like 370/168). Also in the 2nd half of 70s, US online sales&marketing HONE systems were consolidated in bldg across the back parking lot from PASC ... much of HONE sales&marketing applications were implemented in APL. some HONE &/or APL posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hone

trivia: when FACEBOOK moved to Palo Alto, it was into new bldg, built next door to the old HONE datacenter (and behind old PASC location).

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Early use of word "computer", 1944

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: Early use of word "computer", 1944
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 19:05:00 -0700
hancock4 writes:
The feds contributed to all local school systems nationwide, based on the children of federal workers. It was some convoluted formula. It was done to make up for the fact that federal property (like a military base or office building) was tax exempt. I don't know if they still bother with it. A lot of paperwork.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#95 Early use of word "computer", 1944

Congress gets after USBR on school issue
http://www.grandcoulee.com/story/2012/02/08/news/congress-gets-after-usbr-on-school-issue/020820121443818160455.html

School district sends strong comments to USBR
http://www.grandcoulee.com/story/2017/05/17/news/school-district-sends-strong-comments-to-usbr/8866.html
The Bureau had advertised for draft environmental assessment comments on its 12-year plan to modernize and overhaul generators in both the left and right powerhouses.
...
Turner stated that the school district is already faced with financial restraints, some of which occurred because of the accumulation of projects, such as the Third Powerhouse overhaul and the John W. Keys III Pump-Generating Plant modernization, as well as the new fire station.

"These cumulative impacts have and will continue to result in an undeniable increase in student enrollment within the district, leaving it financially burdened and unable to provide high-quality educational opportunities the district's students need to ensure their future success," Turner stated.

The district has already stated difficulties it faces as it begins the preparation of its budget for the 2017-18 school year.

... snip ...

earlier posts in this thread
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#74 Early use of word "computer", 1944
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#77 Early use of word "computer", 1944
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#80 Early use of word "computer", 1944
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#82 Early use of word "computer", 1944
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#84 Early use of word "computer", 1944
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#85 Early use of word "computer", 1944

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IBM downfall

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: IBM downfall
Date: 10 June 2017
Blog: Facebook
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#96 IBM downfall

The Future System effort in the early 70s was different than 370 and was going to totally replace 370 (major objective was to counter clone controllers by creating a tighter more complex coupling between controllers and processors). During the FS period 370 efforts were being suspended and/or killed (from the law of unintended consequences, lack of 370 offerings during the FS period is credited with giving clone processors a market foothold). When FS finally imploded, there was mad rush getting products back into the 370 pipeline ... including kicking off 3033 and 3081 at the same time .... 3033 started out being remap of 168-3 logic to some warmed chips from FS that were 20% faster and 3081 was using other pieces warmed over from FS.
http://www.jfsowa.com/computer/memo125.htm

It wasn't until 3033 was out the door, that the processor engineers could start working on really new offering (trout which eventually ships as 3090). reference to the effect of FS failure had on corporate culture, Ferguson & Morris, "Computer Wars: The Post-IBM World", Time Books,
... and perhaps most damaging, the old culture under Watson Snr and Jr of free and vigorous debate was replaced with sycophancy and make no waves under Opel and Akers. It's claimed that thereafter, IBM lived in the shadow of defeat

and ...
But because of the heavy investment of face by the top management, F/S took years to kill, although its wrongheadedness was obvious from the very outset. "For the first time, during F/S, outspoken criticism became politically dangerous," recalls a former top executive.reference to the effect of FS failure had on corporate culture,

past FS posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys

during the 3033 period we had a project to do 16-way 370 SMP ... which nearly everybody thought was really great ... and we got the 3033 processor engineers to work on in their spare time (lot more interesting than remap of 168-3 logic). Then somebody told the head of POK that it could be decades before the POK favorite son operating system had (effective) 16-way SMP support. The head of POK then invites some of us to never visit POK again and instructed the 3033 processor engineers to stop being distracted.

Note that 370 16-way SMP doesn't ship until nearly 25yrs later, in 2000 for z900.

past SMP posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#smp

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Jean Sammet, Co-Designer of a Pioneering Computer Language, Dies at 89

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Jean Sammet, Co-Designer of a Pioneering Computer Language, Dies at 89
Date: 10 June 2017
Blog: Facebook
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#93 Jean Sammet, Co-Designer of a Pioneering Computer Language, Dies at 89
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#94 Jean Sammet, Co-Designer of a Pioneering Computer Language, Dies at 89

Late 70s, transferred from science center to San Jose Research and in early 80s, had "HSDT" project with T1 and faster speed links and was working with director of NSF and was suppose to get $20M to interconnect the NSF supercomputer centers. Then congress cuts the budget, some other things happen, and eventually NSF releases an RFP. Then as regional networks connect into the centers, it evolves into the NSFNET backbone, precursor to modern internet.
http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/401444/grid-computing/

hsdt posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#hsdt
NSFNET posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#nsfnet

Late 80s, as part of IBM's HA/CMP, some old posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hacmp
we were doing cluster scale up, both scientific/technical with national labs and commercial with RDBMS vendors (IBM didn't have non-mainfrsme RDBMS). We had meeting with Oracle Jan1992 in Ellison's conference room on commercial HA/CMP scale up
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/95.html#13

but IBM's mainframe RDBMS group complained that if we were allowed to go ahead, it would be a minimum of 5yrs ahead of them. some old cluster scaleup email
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#medusa

Within a couple weeks of Ellison meeting, cluster scale up was transferred, announced as supercomputer for scientific/technical ONLY, and we were told we couldn't work on anything with more than 4 processors (and we leave IBM a few months later)

Later, two of the oracle people in the Ellison meeting have (also) left and are at a small client/server startup responsible for something called "commerce server". We are brought in as consultants because they want to do payment transactions on the server, they had also invented this technology called "SSL" they want to use, the result is now frequently called "electronic commerce". I have absolute authority on the servers to payment networks gateway side, but can only make recommendations on the client/server side. Almost immediately some number of recommendations were violated, which continue to account for some of the exploits that continue to this day. some gateway posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#gateway

1996 MDC at Moscone, find that some old timers are on Internet Explorer team and have done some of the stuff that I still hadn't been able to get the Netscape people to do. Jim Gray also had open house for SanFran research center (at SJR I had also worked with Jim on original relational/SQL implementation, before he leaves for Tandem and palms bunch of stuff on me). Also in the 90s, before he passes, the RFC internet standards editor would let me help do part of the periodic STD1. Postel also sponsors my talk at ISI/USC on why the internet isn't business critical dataprocessing. Later, before Jim disappears, he cons me into interviewing for chief security architect in Redmond ... the interview drags on for a couple weeks, but we never come to agreement on what needs to be done.

some past posts mentioning interview for chief security architect
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#7 Hypervisors May Replace Operating Systems As King Of The Data Center
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008b.html#5 folklore indeed
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008b.html#37 Tap and faucet and spellcheckers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008p.html#80 Making tea
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#60 The 25 Most Dangerous Programming Errors
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#18 Top 10 Cybersecurity Threats for 2009, will they cause creation of highly-secure Corporate-wide Intranets?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#28 Computer virus strikes US Marshals, FBI affected
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#22 My Vintage Dream PC
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009l.html#20 Cyber attackers empty business accounts in minutes
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010j.html#15 Idiotic programming style edicts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#40 The Great Cyberheist
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#56 Microsoft Wants 'Sick' PCs Banned From The Internet
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012g.html#21 Closure in Disappearance of Computer Scientist
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#74 Interesting News Article
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012j.html#93 Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#14 The growing openness of an organization's infrastructure has greatly impacted security landscape
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#24 Old data storage or data base
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#77 Insane Insider Threat Program in Context of Morally and Mentally Bankrupt US Intelligence System
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013o.html#44 the suckage of MS-DOS, was Re: 'Free Unix!
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014k.html#72 *uix web security
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015e.html#35 The real story of how the Internet became so vulnerable
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#66 Catching Up on the OPM Breach
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#57 PL/I advertising
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#58 PL/I advertising
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016g.html#19 Rogue sysadmins the target of Microsoft's new 'Shielded VM' security
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016g.html#91 IBM Jargon and General Computing Dictionary Tenth Edition

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Nice article about MF and Government

From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Subject: Re: Nice article about MF and Government
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Date: 10 Jun 2017 09:45:17 -0700
gabe@GABEGOLD.COM (Gabe Goldberg) writes:
But I've profiled a couple gov agencies technology and I read
http://www.govtech.com/ -- which highlights mostly good news (many
interesting/innovative projects highlighted), though they also sure cover disasters and project failures. And half the time they're badmouthing legacy systems. I'm just noting that there's a spectrum of competence and quality in gov, same as elsewhere.


AMEX was in competition with KKR for private equity take-over of RJR and KKR wins. KKR runs into trouble and hires away the president of AMEX to turn it around. IBM has gone into the red and was being reorganized into the 13 "baby blues" in preparation for breaking up the company. The board then hires away the former president of AMEX to reverse the breakup and resurrect the company ... using some of the same techniques used at RJR
http://www.ibmemployee.com/RetirementHeist.shtml

The former president of AMEX then leaves IBM to head up another large private equity company that will acquire a large beltway bandit that employes Snowden. There was enormous uptic in gov. outsourcing last decade, especially to private equity owned companies ... in intelligence, 70% of the budget and over half the people
http://www.investingdaily.com/17693/spies-like-us/

private equity owned companies are under intense pressure to cut corners and do what ever is necessary to generate profits for their owners. In the case of outsourced security clearances, they were found to be filling out the paper work and not actually doing the background checks. Companies in private equity mill are sometimes compared to "house flipping", except rather than paying off the mortgage as part of the flip, the loan to buy the company stays on the company's books after the sale. Combination of factors contribute to over half of corporate defaults are companies that are in (or previously in) the private equity mill.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/05/business/economy/05simmons.html?_r=0

private equity posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#private.equity
former AMEX president posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#gerstner

this has also contributed to the rapid spreading success of failure culture ... beltway bandits (especially private equity owned subsidiaries) get more revenue from a series of failures
http://www.govexec.com/excellence/management-matters/2007/04/the-success-of-failure/24107/
This all sounds cynical, because it is. Whether or not it's deliberate is another matter. But you don't have to believe that people consciously fail to recognize the windfall it brings. Even if they don't know why, there's a reason people keep making the same mistakes: Failure is one of the most successful things going.
... snip ...

success of failure
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#success.of.failure

which also includes a long list of failed legacy system modernization efforts. Badmouthing legacy systems might just be obfuscation and misdirection regarding the real source of the "problems".

disclaimer: early in the century we gat a call asking us to respond to an unclassifed BAA (by IC-ARDA, since renamed IARPA) that was about to close and nobody else had responded (basically said that the tools they have didn't do the job). We get response in and then have some meetings showing we could do what was needed and then it goes silent and hear nothing more. It wasn't until the above article that we realize what was going on (although we wondered why the agency had allowed the BAA to be released in the first place, possibly some internal politics were still being played out).

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pneumatic cash systems was Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: pneumatic cash systems was Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 16:26:11 -0700
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
and some number of articles that make survey of ethical behavior and identify graduates like lawyers, economists, MBAs, investmnet bankers being especially ethically challenged ... effectively being taught that systems are something to be "gamed".

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.htm#92 pneumatic cash systems was Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?

Want to Kill Your Economy? Have MBA Programs Churn Out Takers Not Makers.
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/06/want-to-kill-your-economy-have-mba-programs-churn-out-takers-not-makers.html
The number of MBAs graduating from America's business schools has skyrocketed since the 1980s. But over that time, the health of American business has decreased by many metrics: corporate R&D spending, new business creation, productivity, and the level of public trust in business in general.
... snip ...

economic mess posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#economic.mess

i've mentioned before that in briefings, Boyd would refer to former military officers starting to contaminate US corporate culture with their rigid, top-down command&control (and only those at the very top know what they are doing). However, about the same time in the early 80s, there started to be articles about MBAs were starting to destroy US businesses.

boyd posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subboyd.html

somewhat related (predating the rise of MBAs)
http://www.amazon.com/One-Nation-Under-God-Corporate-ebook/dp/B00PWX7R56/

... in the 40s, 5000 industrialist had annual meeting at NYC Waldorf-Astoria ... and because they had gotten such a bad reputation for the depression and supporting the NAZIs, they approved funding a propoganda campaign equating capitalism and christianity.

recent posts:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#10 Separation church and state
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#63 One Nation Under God: How Corporate America Invented Christian America
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#97 Trump to sign cyber security order
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#40 Job Loyalty
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017c.html#91 Godwin's Law should force us to remember & fear our shared heritage with Nazi Germany
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#55 Should America Have Entered World War I?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#23 Ironic old "fortune"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#60 The Illusion Of Victory: America In World War I
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#41 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#55 [CM] What was your first home computer?

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Health Care Spending

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Health Care Spending
Date: 10 June 2017
Blog: Facebook
2002, congress lets fiscal responsibility act lapse (spending can't exceed revenue, on its way to eliminating all federal debt). 2010 CBO report that 2003-2009, tax revenue cut $6T and spending increased $6T for $12T gap compared to fiscal responsibility act (also 1st time taxes cut to not pay for two wars). past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#fiscal.responsibility.act

First major act after allowing fiscal responsibility act lapse is Medicare Part-D. CBS 60mins does expose on the process. Just before the final vote, a one line sentence is added (preventing competitive bidding) and CBO is prevented distributing an analysis of the change. 60mins then show drugs bought by the VA (which is allowed competitive bidding) that are 1/3rd the price of identical drugs under part-D. 60mins also finds that within 6months after part-d passes, the 18 republicans responsible for getting part-d passed have resigned and are on drug industry payroll.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#medicare.part-d

US Comptroller General starts including in speeches that part-d comes to be a long term $40T item that swamps all other budget items (he is also including in speeches that nobody in congress is capable of middle school arithmetic for how badly they are savaging the budget).
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#comptroller.general

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Early use of word "computer", 1944

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: Early use of word "computer", 1944
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 09:39:26 -0700
JimP. <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
From what I've read, the Radium watch painters were known to be susceptible to radiation poblems, and were not told. After all, research was being done on bomb making by the U.S. government. Probably the same officials that told the residents of Yucca Flats that the fallout wouldn't harm them or the people who made the movie 'The Conquerer' starring John Wayne that the dirt in Monument Valley was safe.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#95 Early use of word "computer", 1944

more, Hanford most polluted/toxic place in US:

Welcome to 'the Most Toxic Place in America'
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/welcome-most-toxic-place-america-n689141
Whitney said the DOE has taken more than 170,000 measurements of the breathing zones in Hanford's tank farms, and never found measurements higher than the permitted occupational exposure limits.

NBC, however, has documents showing DOE readings from Hanford in 2009 that are far in excess of occupational limits. Mercury was measured at 473 percent above limits, and ammonia was measured at 1800 percent above limits -- and workers were not told.

... snip ...

reference to much of gov. nuclear outsourced to Bechtel last decade:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#6 The Profiteers: Bechtel and the Men Who Built the World
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#82 Gov. Privatization
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#34 Good News and Bad News at Hanford, America's Most Polluted Site
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#83 Sleepwalking Into a Nuclear Arms Race with Russia

just part of huge uptic in government outsourcing last decade, recent news that there are now more US contractors ("mercenaries") in afghanistan than US soldiers, refs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#52 [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#56 [CM] What was your first home computer?

for intelligence, 70% of budget to (frequently private-equity owned) for-profit companies and over half the people
http://www.investingdaily.com/17693/spies-like-us/

the search for profit by every means possible, contributing significantly to the rapid spread of success of failure culture ... including failed dataprocessing modernization efforts
http://www.govexec.com/excellence/management-matters/2007/04/the-success-of-failure/24107/

private-equity posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#private.equity
success of failure posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#success.of.failure

trivia: father of president last decade, was VP in the 80s, when the SECDEF and SECSTATE were former Bechtel executives, recent refs:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#21 "I used a real computer at home...and so will you" (Popular Science May 1967)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#67 Trump White House Senior Staff Have Private RNC Email Accounts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#59 Breaking: Entire Nation Experiencing Collective Amnesia About Iraq War
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017e.html#99 [CM] What was your first home computer?

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The IBM 7094 and CTSS

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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: The IBM 7094 and CTSS
Date: 12 June 2017
Blog: Facebook
The IBM 7094 and CTSS
http://multicians.org/thvv/7094.html

Some of the CTSS people went to the 5th flr to work on Multics, others went to the IBM science center on the 4th flr and did (virtual machine) cp40/cms (on modified 360/40 with virtual memory), bunch of line stuff, internal network, etc. cp40 morphs into cp67 when 360/67 standard with virtual memory becomes available.

GML was invented at science center in 1969 ... "G", "M", & "L" taken from the 3 person's last name. GML tag processing was then added to cms script formating (CMS script had previously been done as implementation of CTSS runoff). A decade later it morphs into ISO standard SGML. Another decade and SGML morphs into HTML at CERN.

gml/sgml history at science center by "G"
http://www.sgmlsource.com/history/roots.htm
SGML morph into HTML
http://infomesh.net/html/history/early
1st webserver in the US on SLAC's vm370/cms system (vm370/cms followon to cp67/cms done by science center)
http://www.slac.stanford.edu/history/earlyweb/history.shtml

some posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#sgml

also former co-worker at science center and san jose research (we both transferred from cambridge to san jose the same year):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edson_Hendricks

Cool to be Clever: Edson Hendricks
http://downloads.zdnet.com/product/31709-75651341/
Loads of pre-Internet emails, anecdotes and other computer science archival material, 12 video interviews with Edson Hendricks and 3 audio interviews of author/composer Leanne Jones, exploration of the "genius" and "inventive" mind, predicting the future, first email virus, advice to programmers, the origin of tektites, and so much more. Ideal for all ages, especially clever children 6+ and anyone with an interest in Internet history and inventing. How was the Internet really invented?

It's Cool To Be Clever, The story of Edson C. Hendricks
https://www.amazon.com/Its-Cool-Be-Clever-Hendricks/dp/1897435630/
IT'S COOL TO BE CLEVER tells the true story of an inquisitive boy in the 1950s who doesn't fit in at school. Edson Hendricks is bullied because he is so smart (people accuse him of getting answers from his father who is the principal) and has red hair. He finds comfort in an imaginary world where he has machine parts, and no internal organs or emotions.

Years later, Edson's strange capacity to think like a machine helps him create a new way for computers to communicate. His "connectionless" network design paves the way for today's Internet.

... snip ...

He was responsible for the technology used in the internal network (larger than arpanet/internet from just about the beginning until mid-80s),
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#internalnet
and also used for the corporate sponsored university BITNET (for a time also larger than the internet)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BITNET
some posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#bitnet

At the time arpanet/internet switched from IMPs to internetworking protocol in 1Jan1983, there were approx. 100 IMPs and 255 connected hosts. At that time, the internal network was rapidly approaching 1000 network nodes. old post with list of world wide internal locations that added one or more nodes during 1983:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006k.html#8

in early 80s, had "HSDT" project with T1 and faster speed links and was working with director of NSF and was suppose to get $20M to interconnect the NSF supercomputer centers. Then congress cuts the budget, some other things happen, and eventually NSF releases an RFP (in part based on what we already had running). Then as regional networks connect into the centers, it evolves into the NSFNET backbone, precursor to modern internet.
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/401444/grid-computing/

hsdt posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#hsdt
NSFNET posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#nsfnet

ibm systems mag article from last decade
http://www.ibmsystemsmag.com/mainframe/stoprun/Stop-Run/Making-History/

I had been blamed for online computer conferencing on the internal network in the late 70s and early 80s. Folklore is that when corporate executive committee was told about online computer conferencing (and the internal network), 5of6 wanted to fire me. From IBMJARGON:
Tandem Memos - n. Something constructive but hard to control; a fresh of breath air (sic). That's another Tandem Memos. A phrase to worry middle management. It refers to the computer-based conference (widely distributed in 1981) in which many technical personnel expressed dissatisfaction with the tools available to them at that time, and also constructively criticised the way products were are developed. The memos are required reading for anyone with a serious interest in quality products. If you have not seen the memos, try reading the November 1981 Datamation summary.
... snip ...

lots of stuff archived here:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/
old email
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html

trivia, when I was undergraduate, univ. hired me fulltime to be responsible for IBM production systems. After graduating and joining science center in cambridge, one of my hobbies was doing enhanced operating systems for internal datacenters. As might be expected there was some competition between the 4th & 5th flrs ... however it wasn't fair to compare total virtual machine systems to total multics systems
http://multicians.org/index.html

so would compare just the number of internal datacenters running my systems to total number of multics systems
http://multicians.org/sites.html

during the early days of online computer conferencing ... some past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#cmc
there was still large number of internal datacenters running my systems, including the world-wide, online sales&marketing HONE systems ... some past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hone

other triva: somewhat as result of online computer conferencing, a resercher was paid to sit in the back of my office for 9months, studying how I communicate, face-to-face, went with me to meetings, telephone, online, they got logs of all my instant messages and copies of all my incoming and outgoing email. The result was research reports, Stanford Phd (joint with language and computer AI), papers, books, etc.

GML was picked because they are the letters of the inventors last name, then they invented "General Markup Language"

another trivia from the science center: Charlie invented compare&swap while he was working on fine-grain multiprocessor locking on CP67 at the science center (compare&swap chosen because CAS are Charlie's initials). Initial attempt to get compare&swap added to 370 was rebuffed .... the 370 architecture owners said that the POK favorite son operating system people claimed that "test&set" (from 360) was sufficient. They said to get compare&swap added to 370 would require coming up with additional uses ... thus were born the examples (that are still in the appendex of principles of operation) showing how multi-threaded applications can use compare&swap
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#smp

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pneumatic cash systems was Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: Re: pneumatic cash systems was Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 11:57:55 -0700
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#90 pneumatic cash systems was Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#91 pneumatic cash systems was Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#92 pneumatic cash systems was Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#102 pneumatic cash systems was Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?

possibly because spent a lot of time on scheduling&queuing implementations, I'm sensitive to issues outside computers.

I've posted here in the past observation about highways where it only takes a couple percent of drivers behaving badly to drastically reduce throughput .... people trying to roar up in "fast" lanes until just before exit and then at the last moment cut off several lanes of traffic to make exist. countermeasure in some locals is extending a barrier separating traffic lanes & exit lane far up the highway. Others is express lanes for extended distances with no exits.

similar is behavior that constantly switching lanes .... apparently believing that it gets them an extra car lane or two.

even with a percent or two of the drivers exhibiting the lane changing behavior, it can drastically reduce heavy traffic flowing at speed to stop&go ... quickly darting into small opening in adjacent lane also results in accordian effect of increasingly rapid brake lights in cars behind ... and has known to precipitate rear end collusions.

then there was university study published that found similar results.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007v.html#18 Traffic Jam Mystery Solved By Mathematicians

a few other past post
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004c.html#17 If there had been no MS-DOS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005p.html#4 What ever happened to Tandem and NonStop OS ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005p.html#7 What ever happened to Tandem and NonStop OS ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006p.html#5 sorting
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006p.html#12 sorting
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007e.html#34 Is computer history taught now?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008c.html#5 Toyota Sales for 2007 May Surpass GM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008e.html#64 Shockwave traffic jam recreated for first time
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#98 For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#99 For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#2 For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html#3 For those who like to regress to their youth? :-)

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'Madoff Whistleblower' Harry Markopolos Has Uncovered A New Fraud

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: 'Madoff Whistleblower' Harry Markopolos Has Uncovered A New Fraud
Date: 12 June 2017
Blog: Facebook
'Madoff Whistleblower' Harry Markopolos Has Uncovered A New Fraud
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-12/madoff-whistleblower-harry-markopolous-has-uncovered-new-fraud

In the congressional Madoff hearings, they had the person that had tried unsuccessfully for a decade to get SEC to do something about Madoff (SEC hands were forced when Madoff turned himself in). He pointed out that whistleblowers turn up 13 times more fraud than audits, but the SEC didn't have a whistleblower hotline, but had a hotline for corporations to complain about (SOX) audits.

Madoff posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#madoff
Sarbanes-Oxley posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#sarbanes-oxley

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The IBM 7094 and CTSS

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: The IBM 7094 and CTSS
Date: 12 June 2017
Blog: Facebook
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#105 The IBM 7094 and CTSS

old post in this group ... Mosher gave me one of his "blue cards"
https://www.facebook.com/lynn.wheeler/posts/10203018063788164
also here
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014f.html#56

the other card in above ... "VMSHARE Users Guide", TYMSHARE started providing its CMS-based computer conferencing system free to SHARE
http://www.share.org/
(as vmshare) in AUG1976 .... archives here:
http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare/

I setup process for TYMSHARE to provide me monthly copies of all VMSHARE files so I could put them up on internal network and systems, including the online world-wide, sales&marketing support HONE systems:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hone

Biggest problem I had was that the IBM lawyers were afraid that customer information would contaminate IBM employees.

Some old VMSHARE related email
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#vmshare

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IBM downfall

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: IBM downfall
Date: 12 June 2017
Blog: Facebook
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#96 IBM downfall
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#99 IBM downfall
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#105 IBM downfall

Early 70s Learson.... then Future System starts and it's Opel and Akers http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys
Management Briefing Number 1-72: January 18,1972 ZZ04-1312

TO ALL IBM MANAGERS:

Once again, I'm writing you a Management Briefing on the subject of bureaucracy. Evidently the earlier ones haven't worked. So this time I'm taking a further step: I'm going directly to the individual employees in the company. You will be reading this poster and my comment on it in the forthcoming issue of THINK magazine. But I wanted each one of you to have an advance copy because rooting out bureaucracy rests principally with the way each of us runs his own shop.

We've got to make a dent in this problem. By the time the THINK piece comes out, I want the correction process already to have begun. And that job starts with you and with me.

Vin Learson

... and ...


+-----------------------------------------+ | "BUSINESS ECOLOGY" | | | | | | +---------------+ | | | BUREAUCRACY | | | +---------------+ | | | | is your worst enemy | | because it - | | | | POISONS the mind | | STIFLES the spirit | | POLLUTES self-motivation | | and finally | | KILLS the individual. | +-----------------------------------------+

"I'M Going To Do All I Can to Fight This Problem . . ." by T. Vincent Learson, Chairman


... snip ....

past posts mentioning "business ecology"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012f.html#92 How do you feel about the fact that India has more employees than US?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#11 How do we fight bureaucracy and bureaucrats in IBM?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015d.html#19 Where to Flatten the Officer Corps
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#56 Wild Ducks

Note that the failed FS effort had all sorts of unanticipated consequences. Dearth of products during (and after) FS period contributing significantly to IBM as a FUD marketing organization (as well as opening market to the clone processors) Top executives trying to stamp out opposition and doubt during FS period starts the destruction of the Watson corporate culture. The failure of FS lost huge amount of money and further cast doubt on top executives capability

"How IBM Was Left Behind" also references being reorged into the 13 "baby blues" in preparation for breaking up the company ... behind paywall ... but some lives free at wayback machine
http://web.archive.org/web/20101120231857/http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,977353,00.html

We had left the company, but somebody from the bowels of Armonk called and asked if we could help with breaking up the company. The issue was different business units relied on supplier contracts in other business units using MOUs. With the breakup (and units in different companies), all those MOUs had to be changed into contracts. We were suppose to help go through all the records looking for the MOUs and organizing things to change them into contracts. The new CEO was brought in and the breakup reverse ... before we got started.

Also we had heard from former co-workers complaining that top executives were spending all their time shifting expenses from the following year to the current year (and ignoring the business). We asked what was going on. From the bowels of Armonk the explanation was that the way the senior executive bonus plan was written, if they could get the following year's bottom line the tiny little bit out of the red, they would get a bonus that was more than twice as large as the previous largest bonus ever given out (i.e. effectively they would get paid for taking the company into the red)

posts mentioning new CEO
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#gerstner

posts mentioning bowels of Armonk
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#65 Thousands Of IBM Employees Got A Nasty Surprise Yesterday: Here's The Email They Saw
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014f.html#54 IBM Sales Fall Again, Pressuring Rometty's Profit Goal
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014h.html#68 Over in the Mainframe Experts Network LinkedIn group
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#90 Is IBM Suddenly Vulnerable To A Takeover?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#143 LEO
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015.html#81 Ginni gets bonus, plus raise, and extra incentives
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015d.html#42 Remember 3277?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016d.html#89 China builds world's most powerful computer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016e.html#15 Leaked IBM email says cutting 'redundant' jobs is a 'permanent and ongoing' part of its business model
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016e.html#97 IBM History
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016e.html#108 Some (IBM-related) History
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#29 Samsung's million-IOPS, 6.4TB, 64Gb/s SSD is ... well, quite something
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016h.html#17 Destination z article: Lessons Learned
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#5 IBM's core business

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IBM downfall

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: IBM downfall
Date: 12 June 2017
Blog: Facebook
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#96 IBM downfall
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#99 IBM downfall
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#105 IBM downfall
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#109 IBM downfall

Head of POK had moved to head up Boca/PC. There was a joke that Boca was loosing $5 on every PS2, but they were planning on making it up in volume. They were forecasting very high prices for PS2 that seemed out of line with the business. I started posting on internal forums the unit1 prices from SJMN sunday adverts ... that were way lower than Boca was forecasting. Then Boca contracted with Dataquest (since bought by Gartner) for a study of the future of PC business. The study was to inlude a 2-3hr video taped round-table of silicon valley experts. I knew the Dataquest person running the study and they asked if I would be one of the experts .... and they promised to garble my identity so Boca would recongize me. I first cleared it with my management
http://www.pcworld.com/article/258989/the_ibm_ps_2_25_years_of_pc_history.html

Far east had built up a huge inventory of 286 clone machines ... planned on big fall88/xmas sales ... and then Intel announces 386sx and crashes the 286 market (386sx had higher chip integration, systems could be built with fewer chips and cheaper). For some time 286 systems were going for next to nothing
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_80386#The_80386SX_variant

past posts mentioning Sunday SJMN PC prices:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#79 a.f.c history checkup... (was What specifications will the standard year 2001 PC have?)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#80 a.f.c history checkup... (was What specifications will the standard year 2001 PC have?)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#81 a.f.c history checkup... (was What specifications will the standard year 2001 PC have?)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#82 a.f.c history checkup... (was What specifications will the standard year 2001 PC have?)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004b.html#1 The BASIC Variations
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#10 Happy DEC-10 Day
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014f.html#26 upcoming TV show, "Halt & Catch Fire"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014j.html#62 No Internet. No Microsoft Windows. No iPods. This Is What Tech Was Like In 1984
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016g.html#94 What would Klinger look like in business attire?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#23 IBM "Breakup"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#26 ARM Cortex A53 64 bit

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IBM downfall

From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Subject: IBM downfall
Date: 12 June 2017
Blog: Facebook
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#96 IBM downfall
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#99 IBM downfall
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#105 IBM downfall
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#109 IBM downfall
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017f.html#110 IBM downfall

My wife had written middle layer/ware into response for large, super secure gov. campus environment. This was when communication group was selling PCs and 16mbit token-ring for 3270 terminal emulation fighting off distributed computing and client/server trying to preserve their dumb terminal install base. They were also fabricating token-ring/ethernet comparison and SAA was just starting. We were out making customer executive presentations on middle layer & Ethernet that was significantly faster, better, cheaper ... and the SAA & t/r people were spreading all sorts of false claims about us

The new Almaden Research bldg had been heavily wired with cat5 for 16mbit t/r ... but they found that 10mbit ethernet had higher aggregate LAN throughput and lower latency than 16mbit t/r. Also IBM's 16mbit T/R cards went for $800 and assumed dumb terminal emulation with 300+ terminal sharing same T/R network ... so had very low per card thruput. A high performance 10mbit enet were going for $69 and each card could sustain the full 10mbit enet bandwidth.

The Dallas IBM E&S 16mbit t/r comparison to ethernet appeared to use the early 3mbit enet specification before standard listen-before-transmit protocol.

SNA didn't support networking layer so t/r LANs tended to be done with bridges ... so large number of stations shared common network bandwidth.

A TCP/IP router with 400mbit backplane and 16 10mbit enet LAN interface & mainframe channel interface along with 300 10mbit enet card (20 stations/10mbit LAN segments, instead of 300 sharing single logical 16mbit T/R LAN) ... whole configuration was less expensive than equivalent 16mbit T/R configuration ... each of the 16 10mbit enet has higher throughput than 16mbit t/r ... and the enet overall configuration had 200mbit aggregate throughput (200mbit in, 200mbit out)

some past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#3tier

For PC/RT, AWD did their own high-performance 4mbit T/R card. For RS/6000 with microchannel, AWD was told that they couldn't do their own cards, but had to use all PS2 cards. Turns out the PC/RT 4mbit T/R card had higher per card throughput than the PS2 16mbit T/R card. There was joke that if RS/6000 was limited to only using PS2 cards, for lots of stuff, RS/6000 wouldn't have any higher throughput than PS2. As work-around to internal politics, AWD eventually came out with VMEbus version of RS/6000 and were "forced" to get industry high-performance cards (and couldn't use the slow PS2 cards).

some past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#801

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